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1161  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: What price will Bitcoin miners be after Halving!? on: March 09, 2024, 01:54:54 PM
And I think that Bitmain wants to sell the maximum number of ASICs before the halving. There are approximately 45 days left before the halving, and even if you manage to mine on the purchased ASIC for the remaining 30 days before the halving, it will be profitable. If the price of Bitcoin is about 50 thousand dollars, and the profit after halving decreases, then the price of ASICs should also decrease.
Before buying, I would consider what time is more profitable to buy an ASIC, if there is no big shortage now.

Yes, good advice, if the timing is bad it can affect your ROI in a negative manner. But is it still profitable to run a single miner (even in a pool) at all? I don''t think so. Why don't you just spend $5k to buy Bitcoin instead? Mining difficulty will increase soon after the halving (April?) but so will the price. You can (although not guaranteed) to earn x2 to x3 off your coins in the next year or so. Then you can buy yourself some miners with your gains and play with them until the next halving.

well if you get this miner

https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020240216094712908jGCXSTu10692

pay 3059 after coupons.

you really should also buy  0.061 btc and hodl it

this way you hedge your play

if he did this the day I told him to do it.

he would have done well.

first off 0.061 btc was at 51k or  3111 usd it is now  4148

he would have got the miner on the 28th and mined it for 9 days earning 21 a day pre power x 9 days = 189 usd pre power
1162  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 09, 2024, 04:23:20 AM
We need to redefine what selling means. "Cashing out" or "taking profit" sounds too positive when what they are really doing is jumping back into a sinking boat called fiat.

slice a piece is a very small % under 2 % of your coins

taking profit is maybe selling 5% of your coins.

cashing out mean total sale of all coins

the real question is what is between taking profit and cashing out.

if you sell 50% of your coins it needs a name (stupid comes to mind)
1163  Economy / Speculation / Re: Top 20 days for Bitcoin on: March 09, 2024, 03:04:37 AM
~snip~Of course, a quick search in the historical data, we are going to see VWAPs from 2017 that are higher than the lowest of the top prices of the last 1,200 days...and so if I understand the situation, then I suppose the main question would be whether it is possible that any of the greater than 1,200 day vwaps would be high enough as to end up in the top 100, which seems unlikely, but surely not impossible.  

So perhaps limiting to 1,200 days allows for the data to load faster, yet there could be a time in which you might need to search back more than 1,200 days in order to for sure be able to get all of the top 100 days... even though it does not seem to be close to being the case that you would have any of the older than 1,200 days coming close to being in the top 100 days, currently.

I was also wondering if you might be getting sufficiently comfortable with this whole process in order to add back in some of the other dominant fiat currency pairs?  or to see if you can get them working again.. even though the latest tables with Yefi had gotten narrowed down to ONLY the USD and Euro pairs as the ONLY two that were then working, but there is something kind of interesting to be able to see something like 5 different currency pairs if it were to be feasible to revive that angle of the top 100 days.

By the way, right now as I type, when I look at the raw data (so far for today), we are currently in the top spot for the vwap for today, so far, yet it cannot be known if such position would be maintained since maybe we (perhaps royal) should not count chickens too much before they hatch, especially since there are still more than 9 more hours before today closes.
You're right again regarding the 2017 VWAPS, not being on that list.  Regarding the multiple currencies, that might be a minute.  All of the other bitcoinchart's.com drop down menu choices for other currencies have no data.

Oh?  Now, I see that too.  I went to Yefi's old tables to see if there was anything that I could see linked, and yeah, you are correct, none of the other four prior currency pairs have data contained therein, and it seems that the current and the historical data is no longer on that site.. and also it seems that they don't have any data for other currency pairs, so that is too bad....  

and, so the data would have to come from some other source, if there might be any service that is compiling that kind of data.   I don't know of anything, so far, and maybe we all have to keep our eyes open if there might be another site compiling and/or keeping such data.

Hopefully, bitcoincharts.com at least continue to keep the dollar/BTC pair data available, since so many of us get so many pleasures by watching this kinds of data... like I mentioned earlier, this traded volume data seems more accurate/reflective of the daily BTC/dollar trade activities rather than just looking at the high and the low prices for the day.

yeah I love this data. I like to look at it and hope the 2021 numbers drop one by one replaced by 2024 numbers.

we are streaking at 60k plus really nice.

march 1-8 all above 60k. with feb 28 and 29 tagged on.
1164  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 09, 2024, 02:59:29 AM
Also the 70.2k was sweet. my jinx has now passed. the 2021 april prediction of 70k in may of 2021 has finally happened.

Only 34 months late. 

It could have been worse.

Think about it.  The time just flew right by.  Does not even seem that long ago.

yeah no more guarantees being given from me.

buddy and badger are the boss.
1165  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 09, 2024, 12:45:22 AM
From the Top 20 Days thread:

Rank   BitStamp  USD/BTC
   1  2024-03-08  68221 USD
   2  2021-11-09  67483 USD
   3  2024-03-07  67191 USD
   4  2024-03-06  66315 USD
   5  2021-11-10  66256 USD
   6  2024-03-04  65970 USD
   7  2021-11-08  65762 USD
   8  2021-10-20  65702 USD
   9  2021-11-15  65064 USD
  10  2024-03-05  65034 USD
  11  2021-11-11  64931 USD
  12  2021-10-21  64502 USD
  13  2021-11-14  64456 USD
  14  2021-11-13  64113 USD
  15  2021-11-12  63900 USD
  16  2021-04-14  63315 USD
  17  2021-10-19  63168 USD
  18  2021-04-15  62949 USD
  19  2021-10-25  62745 USD
  20  2021-11-03  62608 USD
  21  2024-03-03  62489 USD
  22  2021-11-02  62447 USD
  23  2021-11-07  62216 USD
  24  2021-04-13  62143 USD
  25  2024-02-29  62117 USD
  26  2024-03-01  62097 USD
  27  2021-10-22  62069 USD
  28  2024-03-02  62027 USD
  29  2021-10-26  61895 USD
  30  2021-11-04  61789 USD
  31  2021-10-18  61675 USD
  32  2021-10-30  61605 USD
  33  2021-10-29  61534 USD
  34  2021-04-16  61478 USD
  35  2021-11-05  61449 USD
  36  2021-11-01  61302 USD
  37  2021-10-16  61253 USD
  38  2021-04-17  61112 USD
  39  2021-10-31  61085 USD
  40  2021-10-23  61064 USD
  41  2021-11-06  60862 USD
  42  2021-11-16  60734 USD
  43  2021-10-17  60685 USD
  44  2021-10-24  60481 USD
  45  2021-03-14  60429 USD
  46  2024-02-28  60403 USD
  47  2021-04-12  60169 USD
  48  2021-10-15  60134 USD
  49  2021-10-28  60131 USD
  50  2021-04-10  60037 USD
  51  2021-11-17  59813 USD
  52  2021-04-11  59797 USD
  53  2021-03-13  59670 USD
  54  2021-04-02  59378 USD
  55  2021-10-27  59370 USD
  56  2021-11-21  59185 USD
  57  2021-04-01  58826 USD
  58  2021-03-20  58820 USD
  59  2021-11-20  58791 USD
  60  2021-11-18  58687 USD
  61  2021-05-08  58665 USD
  62  2021-03-31  58640 USD
  63  2021-04-03  58586 USD
  64  2021-03-18  58586 USD
  65  2021-03-30  58473 USD
  66  2021-11-25  58316 USD
  67  2021-04-06  58307 USD
  68  2021-03-19  58307 USD
  69  2021-04-05  58289 USD
  70  2021-04-09  58229 USD
  71  2021-05-03  57906 USD
  72  2021-05-09  57902 USD
  73  2021-05-01  57825 USD
  74  2021-11-29  57636 USD
  75  2021-10-14  57623 USD
  76  2021-04-04  57572 USD
  77  2021-11-30  57431 USD
  78  2021-12-01  57380 USD
  79  2021-11-22  57339 USD
  80  2021-04-08  57275 USD
  81  2021-03-29  57263 USD
  82  2021-03-21  57207 USD
  83  2021-11-19  57203 USD
  84  2021-02-21  57158 USD
  85  2021-03-15  57137 USD
  86  2021-05-07  57025 USD
  87  2021-11-23  57006 USD
  88  2021-05-10  56970 USD
  89  2021-05-06  56806 USD
  90  2021-10-11  56802 USD
  91  2021-05-02  56788 USD
  92  2024-02-27  56716 USD
  93  2021-03-12  56712 USD
  94  2021-11-24  56694 USD
  95  2021-04-07  56684 USD
  96  2021-12-02  56681 USD
  97  2021-03-11  56339 USD
  98  2021-10-12  56336 USD
  99  2021-02-20  56335 USD
 100  2021-03-17  56333 USD
    * * Chart Explanation * *

Top of the heap.



Bang go BTC go!

It was very nice to see this.

Also the 70.2k was sweet. my jinx has now passed. the 2021 april prediction of 70k in may of 2021 has finally happened.
1166  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin price is going to touch all time highs on: March 08, 2024, 10:58:36 PM
when 80k march 15? or later.
1167  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Sad news my Clifton NJ USA farm has ended. on: March 08, 2024, 10:11:13 PM
Thousands of hours of time. From Dec 2018 till yesterday.

I need to clear my head and rest my soul bit.
1168  Other / Meta / Re: Icopress ' Merit Source Application 🚩 on: March 08, 2024, 08:23:37 PM
Listen I have mentioned I like icopress and I gave him 50 merits which he can give out as he pleases. once a month is passed I WILL GIVE HIM 50 More merits,but the fact remains no signature person should be a merit source....

I will give icopress 50 merits once I can.

You don't see anything unusual here? Because I do. To establish as a general category without exceptions that no campaign manager should be merit source and then give icopress 50 merits as often as you can I see it contradictory and even a bad use of the merit system.

What is the reason why you are giving 50 merits every time you can? Because it should be for his quality posts.

I could also read here that you are using your merit source status to not close the doors to icopress hiring you in the future because of the position you express here.

Not only campaign managers can have a potential conflict of interest if they are appointed merit sources. Campaign participants, like you, do too.

I will never use icopress as a signature manager because I am consistent about conflict of interest and would consider it a conflict of interest due to me giving him 50 and soon another 50 merits.

Please quote this.

thank you
1169  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 08, 2024, 07:21:54 PM
Are y'all going for a quadruple top or something? The collapse on the other side of this is going to be really bad.

all hail the chief.

nice on proud hon real nice.
1170  Bitcoin / Mining / Sad news my Clifton NJ USA farm has ended. on: March 08, 2024, 07:18:00 PM

I have about 20-25 s19's ------------------- say 60-70 kwatts
6 m30s and m50s --------------------------- say 18 kwatts
2 L7s ----------------------------------------- say   6 kwatts
13 eight and 12 case gpu rigs -------------- say 26 kwatts

some lessor Avalons and ant miners ------- say 20 kwatts.

maybe 140kwatts with no place to mine.

the good thing is  zero debt and all paid off and some cash and coin in hand.

Not sure what to do.

find a host (not keen on that)
sell gear (not keen on that)

I will be looking around for a viable spot. bitkern has a place in pa but they want me to buy units or have 100 units to host.

Tesla wants 10 cents a watt.

The run was good but I am really bummed out right now.

If you have some power and are looking to host some units hit me up via pm.
1171  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does any meme coin has the ability to challenge bitcoin dominance ? on: March 08, 2024, 07:05:46 PM
Meme coins should not be seen as a serious investment. They have greater volatility which can lead people to believe they are more profitable than holding Bitcoin, when they see Shiba, Doge, and Pepe pumping hundreds of percentage points. These pumps are short term and quickly disappear, leaving many users with significant losses.

Memecoins were some of the biggest losers after today’s price correction, most of them going down 20% or more. This effect is even more pronounced during bear markets when memecoins have bigger losses and lesser gains.

Using Dogecoin as an example because it is the most known and established memecoin, despite going up 104% against the USD over the past year, it is still down -27% against BTC over the same period.

Do not think short term about doge.

Doge has true legs and will last a long time into the future. It is 16.9 cents and rising back.

the Bitmain L7 is making solid money as I type.
1172  Economy / Speculation / Re: Top 20 days for Bitcoin on: March 08, 2024, 05:48:09 PM
go btc go.

If we can keep moving up we can eventually knock out the 2021 numbers.

this would allow the 1200 number to stay with no changes. we may do this.
1173  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 08, 2024, 05:42:46 PM
Good morning Bitcoinland.

A lovely ATH. Slow coming though. Had to wait 3 whole days since the last one.

Of course we got the standard long squeeze and fiat-taking. No problem. Going back up.

As we surge up through the $7xxxx range will retail fomo finally start to kick in?



Love the updated format with historical dates. Let's see how fast we make this chart obsolete.

if we are 88k at the ½ ing we will be full on fomo as miners will not have to take the hit they normally take at

the 1/2 ings.  we also would have no gear supply chain shortages.

we may see the greatest year ever for gear going on line.

I sold a tiny piece at 69.8k today
I will be selling a very small piece at 70.7k
and a small piece at 77.7k
1174  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2024 Diff thread happy New Years. on: March 08, 2024, 04:56:07 PM
solar is good and helpful it is not a full solution.

and it sucks in many places.

 
Ireland too cloudy
Seattle Washington USA too cloudy

Many spots it sucks.  As I illustrated it is okay in at least two USA states buy not every one.

As for subsidies many of what I call a subsidy is just fair treatment.

ie a straight 1 for 1 swap for your excess power is fairly fair.

Some states do that.

Yet some states are fuck you and just allow the power company to take all excess for no cost to them.

Solar and wind and waterfalls will not fix all power needs.

A working fusion reactor would solve energy issues for 1000's of years if we ever see one as many companies would be against it.
1175  Economy / Speculation / Re: The market smells of bitcoin halving. 54 day left! on: March 08, 2024, 04:08:27 PM
We passed 70k today nice numbers. Maybe we go to 80k in a week or so.
1176  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: [Mar 2024] Fees are lower, wait for opportunity to Consolidate your small inputs on: March 08, 2024, 03:55:45 PM
But as soon as the bear market comes, the fees will most likely get lower again. ...

In the bear market, ordinals will disappear, ...

Fees would probably be lower in a bear market if there wasn't this blockchain spamming. Unfortunately I'm not so confident that ordinals spam will disappear with a bear market. Blockchain spammers are likely to produce a lot of noise for nothing (translate it to overly filled mempools) to rip off gullible victims.

I got pessimistic as long as this massive blockchain spam isn't prevented by technical and/or protocol means. Some bubbles will burst over time, but spammers are creative as long as there's enough "loose" money to collect.

I do not think on chain fees under 10 sats will happen very much anymore.

This 2024 1/2 ing will be more like a 35-40% ing. not a 1/2 ing.

as there are unstoppable methods large farms can do to make their profits higher.

you can not stop a 30% pool from down clocking and slowing blocks to clog the mempool then once the mempool is clogged bump hash up to grab high fee blocks... We should see real evidence of this happening after this 1/2 ing
1177  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 08, 2024, 03:31:17 PM
70k hurray the jinx is done
1178  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 08, 2024, 05:06:26 AM
three is enough buddy.
1179  Other / Meta / Re: Icopress ' Merit Source Application 🚩 on: March 08, 2024, 04:42:56 AM
I read a post from a long time member stating a possible conflict of interest but he did not provide a factual reason icopress should not me considered for merit source.
Yeah, and if it's the post I'm thinking of (which I responded to earlier), the argument was basically that merit sources shouldn't be managing sig campaigns.  Sure, there could potentially be problems with that dual role depending on who the person is but I haven't seen any evidence presented that icopress in particular would take advantage of his position as merit source in some way, and a hypothetical argument like that just doesn't hold any water as far as this application is concerned.

While we're all debating this crap, none of us know what's on Theymos's mind with respect to the merit system, how it's functioning nowadays, and whether new merit sources are needed.  I don't even know when the last merit source was added, but it was probably a long time ago--and if it was recent it was probably to replace one or more sources that dropped out.  It'd be so nice if Big Boss Man would descend from the mountaintop with his tablets and, if not drop some commandments on us, at least give the community a state-of-the-merit-system address.  Curious minds like mine would love to know what's happening.

Listen I have mentioned I like icopress and I gave him 50 merits which he can give out as he pleases. once a month is passed I WILL GIVE HIM 50 More merits,but the fact remains no signature person should be a merit source. I know some have said there are signature managers that are merit sources has it occurred to anyone when was the last signature manager appointed as a merit source  or better yet that no signature manager ever became a merit soure. That the dual people were merit sources and asked to be a signature manager.

Ie I am a merit source I want to be a signature manager does anyone want to hire me. Is this the way merit sources became signature managers.

or are there signature managers that added merit source later.

I know that there are supposed to be a few people with dual status .

but I do not know if they are all

source add signature manager.

or signature manager add source.


if none are signature manager add source then theymos is showing us something.

I will give icopress 50 merits once I can.
1180  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2024 Diff thread happy New Years. on: March 08, 2024, 03:32:27 AM
So basically you need to be at the s19 xp level with under 6 cent power. at current price.

Is this moment of rise in the price of bitcoin an opportunity for miners to invest in their own energy production, such as solar or wind energy?
Perhaps this could help reduce energy costs, and in turn make mining farms more profitable.


as mikeywith says making your own energy can be costly.

in the USA some states suck and some states are good.

I am in NJ pretty good for solar. Pennsylvania is very good.

You could do a 2 megawatt solar build  (max size for discounts) on the cheap, but the cheap is a lot if lucky 2 million mostly financed with many incentives. what does that generate per hour around 400kwatts

what is that in miners about 120 s19k pro units which is around two hundred k all in a 50k box

so 250k in miner setup.  and you need a site for the solar. in PA maybe 750k

so 3million to run 120 x 120 = 14400 th at five cent after ½ ing that is 720 a day or  250k income for 3 million in loans that is around 8% return plus your incentives. So it is just good enough in a very good state like pennsylvania or new jersey.
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