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1501  Other / Meta / Re: Mixers to be banned on: December 07, 2023, 11:45:10 PM
.......
those dt members that red tagged the government warning.

Has that been corrected.

has it been erased and deleted.

If I need the warning and the red tags if the feds say I was too slow to pull down my Sinbad ad will I get them.

In fact for all of us that ran the signatures will we get info to defend ourselves if the feds go after us.
.......

Hopefully the feds will leave me alone and the others that had signatures for Sinbad alone.
Stalker22   2023-11-29   Reference   Impersonating a government organization.
Igebotz   2023-11-29      Impersonating FIOD. Can't be trusted
KTChampions   2023-11-29   Reference   Don't tread on me.


You mean those bozos? 1 of them slapped a cop on duty, the other 1 pulled his pants down, the last one just smashed a pie to his face, WHILE on duty. Guess what? %90 of people on DT are living in a fantasy world, they don't know what is the world, they think they are some sort of tough mf from hollywood movies.

And I don't know if they are still on DT or not, but they don't care, any other DT not excluding them seems to agree with their decision. "Oh we are tough, we don't tolerate cops here" mentality.

Now it's not like that account was asking for a loan or anything else, to say the tags were justified, funny they didn't correct their mistake. That's why not anyone is fit for DT, they should be selected with care.

People should ignore all positive/negative feedbacks, they are not necessarily the opinions of the community as a whole.

thank you.

I think I pulled my signature for Sinbad in under 24 hours from that warning post, but those tags delayed me for about 90 minutes. SO I do appreciate your info.


@ theymos It can be hard to run a tight ship. You have done well over the years.

It is possible that more restrictions will be needed.

Many people in many parts of the world simply do not understand the rules and regs USA has people do.
1502  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / What is FLOWCOIN vs FLOW COIN. on: December 07, 2023, 11:18:20 PM
 So I got an air drop of a coin called FLOWCOIN  it was worth 10 bucks it now says it is worth 1800 bucks.

I can't seem to figure out if it is this coin.




0xafeb1f1c********


https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/flow/
1503  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Octotank12 with 2 whatsminer 30s+ review. Not ready for full review. on: December 07, 2023, 11:13:13 PM
More follow up they gave six coupons good value coupons 350 usd.

Since I still have gpus I decided to buy a case using the $350 coupon. so a 600 dollar case became

$356.80 with shipping to me in New Jersey. Gear was in stock I ordered it on August 9th

Took cheap shipping and it was due in 30-40 days which would sept 9 to sept 19

It is now 60 days Oct 10.  I will post to let you know if they send me a case or a refund.


This is more concerning as it is one of their main products a GPU case.

Well serves me right for giving them a chance to show they are back on track.

Bummer. Keep us updated on the case. If it goes well will you be ordering more of them or do you have some coupons to spare for a fellow miner who has never owned a GPU rack/case before? Maybe I could stop stockpiling PCs if I were to switch to something like this. My office is starting to look like a PC cemetery.

they finally sent me one it had 3 dead psu's in it and 1 good one. But cost was 356 it works fine after I grabbed replacement psu's for 11 a piece on ebay.

So 356+33 = 389 for a fully working case. It earns 2 bucks a day and free heat.
1504  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: when did KawPow take off in earnings. on: December 07, 2023, 11:09:15 PM
My nicehash kawpow seem to be more than double when did this start back up?
10 times from bottom to be exactly, look for xna, it seems the AI hype is paying off to whoever started it and by the way ETH and pos coins are all dead because they are all centralized.


No one like ETH but it will reach new ATH in this bull cycle. After the elliott wave analysis we see $8000 or more per ETH. Just saying

Dude eth is not a coin it is a piece of shit.

all POS are not coins.  Staking is the same as buying a bond .

Shitting nonsense.



I will lock thread and do a self mod due to the POS that is stinking up the thread.
1505  Other / Meta / Re: Mixers to be banned on: December 07, 2023, 09:56:12 PM
Wtf, what about DDoS-for-hire services being advertised here then? theymos, for sure you are aware that DDoS is illegal in most jurisdictions and it has the same crime weight as being sanctioned by OFAC.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5467001.0 [CFNP] [banned site] Signature Campaign [ Full Member + ]
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5415532.0 Stresser.net Signature campaign Sr. Member+ [HOLD]
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468359.0 [ENDED] [banned site] Signature Campaign [Full Member +]
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917425.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1456194.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1128096.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1157916.0
etc...

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/fbi-seized-domains-linked-to-48-ddos-for-hire-service-platforms/

People advertise services already seized by FBI here that changed their domains (Stresse) and you have no problem with it. Don't you think you slightly overlooked some things while banning mixers?

If you are to ban services that represent juridical risk to the forum then banning such services from advertising would be a first thing to do, not mixers or sites that list mixers (that are not even illegal).

Don't be that ridiculous. While DDoS services are allowed here, you are being nothing but a hypocrite with this decision. And I am not even a fan of mixers but I like reading/participating in the yearly drama of scammed/seized mixer threads and oh, tears of paid members when something happens to the service they promoted for money are priceless.



The difference is the Government that this forum runs from. Opened an account and posted no no no we will prosecute you if you work with Sinbad.io we are shutting Sinbad.io down and will but anyone on this forum that continues to post for them.

Now I also happen to be in the same government jurisdiction as this forum and as thermos. I pulled my mixer add for Sinbad down.

Moron idiot dt's red flagged the government poster.

that means those it's jeopardized all of the forum by doing that.

ALL OF THIS IS KNOW TO ANY ONE THAT IS FOLLOWING THIS DRAMA.

What we do not know is what did (USA government) tell thermos off the record. 

The USA government can crush you like a grape if you are in their borders

Hell they told Canada Detain and send the HUA executive to us because we say so. and Canada did that.

So you complaints should go against the dt genius's that red tagged the official government poster that was kind enough to warn people to cease and desist posting a signature  for Sinbad.\

Do we know the full id's of those dt member's as they may have jeopardized people that delayed taking their signature down.

Rathe than yell at theymos the anger should be directed at those dt members that red tagged the government warning.

Has that been corrected.

has it been erased and deleted.

If I need the warning and the red tags if the feds say I was too slow to pull down my Sinbad ad will I get them.

In fact for all of us that ran the signatures will we get info to defend ourselves if the feds go after us.

These are far more important then your complaints.

I could argue that the dt taggers now face liability issues by trying to taint the governments generous warning and that I and anyone that was a bit slow to get the message due to those red flags has a right to get full disclosure of their identities.

Hopefully the feds will leave me alone and the others that had signatures for Sinbad alone.
1506  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Sending your BTC what to pay. on: December 07, 2023, 06:37:41 PM
from link above 140 sats has a back log of about 2 blocks so it is iffy that you can get a tx sent at 140 sats
8 blocks, not 2 blocks.

According to the first chart, if you set the fee rate to 140 sat/vbyte, you should wait for at least 8 blocks.
Note that each block can include up to 1 vMB of transactions.


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I couldn't understand how you got those numbers.
Here are my calculations for the case the fee rate used for the transaction is 200 sat/vbyte.

1 legacy input and 1 legacy output: 191 sat, 38,200 sat
1 legacy input and 1 nested segwit output: 189 sat, 37,800 sat
1 legacy input and 1 native segwit output: 188 sat, 37,600 sat


1 nested segwit input and 1 legacy output: 135 vbyte, 27,000 sat
1 nested segwit input and 1 nested segwit output: 133 sat, 26,600 sat
1 nested segwit input and 1 native segwit output: 132 sat, 26,400 sat

1 native segwit input and 1 legacy output: 112 sat, 22,400 sat
1 native segwit input and 1 nested segwit output:  110 vbyte, 22,000 sat
1 native segwit input and 1 native segwit output: 109 vbyte, 21,800 sat


I used my trezor set it to 1 sat and set it to 200 sats. custom fees

edit
but you do bring up a good point.

all tests used a bc1  address

to legacy >>>>>>>>>>> address is 14xxx but with a 1 to start
to legacy segwit >>>>>>> address is 3xxxx with a 3 to start
to segwit >>>>>>>>>>> address is bc1xxxxx with a bc to start


there are so many ways to do a send.

there are 3 kinds of addresses.

so empty the input address and it was a 1 input address already merged
send all to 1 address

this means 1 input 1 output

but since there are 3 types of addresses that nine kinds of sends for the simplest send

next 1 input 2 outputs. 
all my examples are using a trezor with 1 input address and 2 output addresses.

Ie an address with say 0.12345678 btc sends 0.1 to a seller of whatever. so he is send 0.1 to the seller and 0.023xxxxx back to his own wallet but a different address.

I only showed that with a:

 segwit (bc1) to a {segwit (bc1) my change back address} and the sellers segwit address
 segwit (bc1) to a {segwit (bc1) my change back address} and the sellers legacy segwit address
 segwit (bc1) to a {segwit (bc1)  my change back address} and the sellers legacy address

So simple send combinations

are 1 in fully merged and 2 out  9 kinds
are 1 in fully merged and 1 out 9 kinds

so there are 18 simple sends (never mind LN)

once you deal with complex sends it is pretty much infinite variation of what pay will be.

Ie 5 unmerged in a bc1 fully paid 50/50 to 2 outputs.
or 5 unmerged in a bc1 fully paid 33/33/33 to 3 outputs
pretty much endless payout rules. I could write 500 different combos.

which means LN needs to be easy peasy it is not
the blockchain for now needs to restrict dust payments.

Or use LTC and Doge.




1507  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Sending your BTC what to pay. on: December 07, 2023, 02:23:04 AM
For instance: Wallet of Satoshi.

I was against WoS because of it being custodial.

After 6 months, I can say I use it more than my own LN node. It works flawlessly for me, due to the fact thar WoS nodes are connected with a ton of nodes. So sometimes, if I wanna pay someone, I will try to use my own node but there have been times where I couldn't pay due to the fact that there was no payment route between me and the other end. With WoS I never had this issue.

So today, I am in favor of using the WoS. It's smooth and works well. But yeah... custodial solution...

this is why I prefer Sending Doge to LTC.

BTC could free the blockchain by no sends smaller than 0.0005 btc that is 21 or 22 usd.

Pick what ever number you want.

The btc number could be adjusted when needed.

The reality is small sends do not belong on the main chain.  And at this moment in time L N is not developed enough for most people.
1508  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: NFTs in the Bitcoin blockchain - Ordinal Theory on: December 06, 2023, 10:52:39 PM
As soon as more protocols start to create defi's etc on btc , fees will increase in thousands of dollars for a single tx .
The unfortunate ones will be those that will have to exit from LN for whatever reason and those stacking sats . A new era is coming .

I remember watching a debate with Saifedean Ammous, where the other person said that BTC was too slow and too expensive compared to the legacy payment methods, he did touch on a very important point that BTC transactions are final settlements, they should not be compared with your average credit card or Paypal payments because those are not final, and he makes a lot of sense because if you were to make a wire transfer from the U.S to Tanzania, the final settlement between your bank and the other person's bank and the dozen parties involved could take days if not weeks, and it's no where near cheap.

The same thing actually applies when you pay using your credit card, the shop gets its balance increased right away but for the value to be settled between the banks, the payment provider, and all parties involved it's going to take a lot and cost a lot, especially for cross-border transactions.

So on-chain transactions should be compared with central bank-level settlements since they are the textbook definition of final settlements, so it makes sense that they are expensive and somewhat slow, despite beating the legacy system in that regard, now, I for one would like to see fees increase because more people, companies or even banks are using BTC to settle transactions and not because of some worthless ' it's what I think about Ordinals' data stored on the blockchain.

However, it's only common sense for fees to go up with time, I mean if BTC was used by 1% of the population, nobody would get away with those 2 sat/Vbyte transactions even without Ordinals, I strongly believe the Brc-20 hype will fade and will be just history -- but it will still be a tough war for those  "let's do whatever it takes to keep my fee at 2 sats/ Vbyte" because sometime in the future they would be contesting against each other when Ordis are gone, many people will find something to blame for the high fees, I can't wait for things like "All these stupid folks spamming the blockchain to buy Starbucks coffee that tastes like shit", and ya, I would have to agree with them because Starbucks coffee really does taste like shit. Cheesy

I prefer dunkin donuts.

1509  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy the DIP, and HODL! on: December 06, 2023, 10:30:54 PM
We are not yet there, but getting closer to 50k.
1510  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Sending your BTC what to pay. on: December 06, 2023, 03:26:27 PM
I did this so you can learn to use that website to get an idea of what to pay.

to those that do not understand 200 sat fee cost.

It is 200 x 165 when sending to bc1 address's or  0.00033000 or $14.55 for the least complex send

If I send a 1 input amount to a single bc1 address it is very expensive. and this is the lowest cost send.

It is 200 x 166 when sending to  3>>> address  or 0.0033200 or $14.64


Legacy old school cost the most

It is 200 x 168 when sending to a 1>>> address or 0.0033600 or $14.81

so  bc1 is 165 bytes         segwit  is this type of address
the 3xx is 166 bytes        Legacy segwit is this type of address
and 1xx is 168 bytes        Legacy is this type of address

you best friend if you are looking to move btc coins on the chain is to look at these two links

https://mempool.jhoenicke.de/#BTC,24h,weight



https://mempool.jhoenicke.de/#BTC,24h,fee

you can get an idea of what to spend or just hodl.

In these times I use DOGE and LTC for Low cost sends.

Some say USE Lightening Network if you have tech skills and are prepped you can try it.

But I have been doing this for over 10 years and prefer Doge and LTC when btc is too costly
1511  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Sending your BTC what to pay. on: December 06, 2023, 03:06:02 PM
go to this website

https://mempool.jhoenicke.de/#BTC,24h,weight


from link above 140 sats has a back log of about 2 blocks so it is iffy that you can get a tx sent at 140 sats









Look at this second link

https://mempool.jhoenicke.de/#BTC,24h,fee





It shows 200 sats as a possible working fee.
1512  Other / Meta / Re: I have no more merit left to give! on: December 06, 2023, 04:18:12 AM
That's right, I currently have a whopping 0 merit left to give  Grin

I have always tried to give credit where credit is due, and you can be sure that if I gave you merit you have earned it!

Eventually when I get more merit I think I will be much more selective in how I distribute it this next time only giving one at a time I think.

I think this is a nice reminder that is the prompting when you are to hand out merits:  " This is what determines your forum rank. You typically cannot lose this merit. You have 0 sendable merit (sMerit) which you can send to other people. There is no point in hoarding sMerit; keeping it yourself does not benefit you, and we reserve the right to decay unused sMerit in the future."

I read your profile and looked at some posts you made.

You may be okay and its the holidays.

So be generous with your merits given to you.
1513  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 06, 2023, 03:28:19 AM
down to 30k-35k

Or up to 50k-55k.

We're still correcting from last year's steep dip.

2024 has been one big correction.

I think a lot of people don’t realize this. My personal belief is that if FTX didn’t defraud everyone out of their Bitcoin and pump everyone’s shitcoins then the price of BTC likely would have gone up as high as $140,000 and would have bottomed around $60,000. So while we may be in a bull market now, we should have never gotten this low in the first place.

That and china kicking the miners out in april.
1514  Other / Meta / Re: (Any Guesses?) Are there many real (unpaid) people still posting here at BCT? on: December 06, 2023, 01:49:58 AM
Do you think only signature participants are willing to post here? Bitcoin is a forum where anyone can post, share their ideas and complain, people are active posting even without the paid campaign way back before. So it's not new, getting paid when posting is just like incentives. You can see them mostly in technical boards where skills and experience  are shared.

op how many of my 43000 posts were done without a paid signature well over 25000 of them. more than 7 years without a signature. and less than 4 with one.

what you don’t realize is you can look at campaigns and see how long someonehas been been doing a campaign sig.
1515  Economy / Speculation / Re: back in 2015 we had a nice pre 1/2 ing streak. on: December 06, 2023, 01:38:23 AM
I would be really happy for it continue these small pumps, then stabilising for a bit then going up again. Feels like resistance is being built for the future. I do wonder too have miners stopped selling and are hoarding a bit before the halving. 48k by Mar tho Phil sounds more realistic , but who knows maybe 3/15 might be a better day

Well we got close to 45k.

then dropped.

time will tell.
1516  Economy / Speculation / Re: So I guess we sell at $48626 ? on: December 06, 2023, 12:52:51 AM
Well I think this is when we need to make some important decisions for ourself. The price of Bitcoin is up 150% just in this year so there is profits to take from that.
So if we are thinking about taking some profits it is a good time to sell some. I think there is going to be a correction when ETF approval does happen.
And then also for the Bitcoin halving next year.  I am 'bullish' and will not be selling any of my Bitcoin. But I do think there is many investors who will. It is a hard thing to not take 'free money'.
So far I don't have an agenda to sell in the near future, my target is still to try to collect more while I can. Because whatever the level of movement today and facing the end of the year is always a little worrying. Indeed, when you are optimistic that the price is above $40k, this is a kind of manipulation, but for traders it will be quite profitable to divert attention to altcoins, where if the Bitcoin price flattens out, altseason could take over the market for a while.

Of course, majority of us are long term holders, so we don't want to sell when the price is not at all time high. But there could be short term traders here looking for fib numbers and who knows $48k is already big for these kind of traders.
I am planning to sell in case we hit 45k usd to double my chance when time comes bitcoin dumped like what expected before this year ends or after January because I believe that we are lowering or correction before the halving season so yes lets have it this way and not to complete Holding.
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And so it's interesting to see if there will be sellers and then what will be the market reaction to that. Will we continue to buy or there could be some sort of others pushing the sell button as well?
i may have interest to invest more or maybe sell and buy ,  like what many keeps saying as continues holding is not so advisable in our days now.
because the market sometimes goes roller coaster or sometimes making difference to the time we need to sell .
i have been selling on an up ladder 🪜.

no complaints.
1517  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 06, 2023, 12:44:21 AM
Where is the helicopter???

On hold until 45k stamp

we get 50505.00 by weekend.

my 48k number seems wrong too low.
1518  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 06, 2023, 12:42:19 AM
Interesting article

https://www.kitco.com/news/2023-12-05/Bitcoin-breaches-44k-as-BlackRock-secures-seed-capital-for-spot-BTC-ETF.html

"BlackRock sees a high probability that its application will be approved, and Bloomberg Intelligence ETF analysts Eric Balchunas and James Seyffart say there is a 90% chance that the first spot BTC ETF will be approved by Jan. 10.

Max Keiser, a well-known Bitcoin maximalist, has also caused a stir of speculation by tweeting about “rumors” that the sovereign wealth fund for Qatar – which is responsible for managing the nation’s vast oil and gas-generated wealth – is “looking to buy” $500 billion worth of Bitcoin. Keiser suggested that this could lead to a “$100,000 God Candle” on the BTC chart"

God candle! I like the sound of that!

holy moly that would be so very cool. 😎
1519  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: 2023 Diff thread now opened. on: December 06, 2023, 12:32:46 AM
So finally for a while keeping above 100% and starting to get some lead

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Current Pace:   100.9575%  (1432 / 1418.42 expected, 13.58 ahead)

We might snatch another positive adjustment, and with the price seemingly unstoppable I don't really know if we're going to hit a negative till the halving.
Not only is the price up but due to possible FOMO I guess fees are again up, over 200sat/vb constantly, last blocks
‎2.674
‎2.504
‎2.823

9 btc for a block at $43k, close to $400k
back two and a half months ago, under 200k per block.
So, simple math says 800 exahash in sight?  Grin

ps
No I'm not doing the nuclear reactors thing as probably I would get a headache seeing how much would be needed!


we are pushing 6ph. not enough want more.
1520  Other / Meta / Re: Mixers to be banned on: December 06, 2023, 12:28:53 AM
Are we going to see a mixer that will require KYC verification before sending them your coins? A government run agency can bring such mixers. What do you say?
A mixer in which the government and 'their' blockchain analysis companies already have your data serves no useful purpose, people might say you can use it to hide from friends, family, business partners and other 'ordinary' people, but you don't even need to use a mixer to hide from such people. It is trivial to hide from people who do not have any blockchain knowledge, an exchange is even enough to do that. People use Tor, mixers, CoinJoin and privacy solutions so that their government and blockchain analysis companies can't deanonymize them, in other words, KYC defeats that purpose.

Yes, I think a legal mixer would not only serve no purpose for most people, but it would also demonstrate that nobody wants to use a legal mixer, which would then ironically make the mixer hilariously bad as it wouldn’t get enough use to serve it’s purpose as a proper mixer. It would also end the debate on if people are using them for legal purposes, as nobody would use it…

I think many would do so. If they are og with a pile of clean untaxed coins.

Anyone with an untouched block of 50 coins in 2009-2010 wiulc not want to show the address holding the fifty coins.  There are a lot of old uncashed blocks.
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