Least I've stated it. Who would say well I know this amazing fact about the Universe as a logical fact (and be sure I'm not stating a fact i'm stating my logic to think/believe/suspose in a God/Power/Creator) but I simply can't explain it in a simple way. If its that convoluted maybe its a little 'fragile'?




Look matter, void, atoms, etc exist so to say they I guess your saying have always existed is a crazy position that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. And the most logic idea is there must be an eternal being, uncreated, outside of creation that instigated the Universe. If that being or power exists then I'm pretty sure we should be in awe and wonder and crumbling humbleness because to put it sarcastically, he's a bit better than us...

Honestly I'm not really sharing the Christian Gospel I'm getting to first base, the simple truth that its highly likely there is a higher power and no atheists really has anything more than 1st year Philosopher arguments to make their faith in no God sound reasonable.

I'm sorry but religious language makes us believers seems like crackpots. Many people today deep down know there is something of significance in their existence and funnily enough still have deep senses of right and wrong which is kind of hilarious considering they perceive themselves as advanced pond life.

I think the onus is on atheists is to put into a few sentences why God doesn't exist. Like I said I can, matter exists, logic says it must come from somewhere, it naturally calls for a creator. Even a big bang calls for an instigator. Its kind of stupid being an Atheist honestly, its the retarded meme du jour that long coated geeks working in the service industry can feel better about how dipshit dumb they are. Come on atheists give me your best shot. Come on tell me God doesn't exist because Science has proven he doesn't hahahahahahaha. Every generation has sheep sucking up their views from their environment.

You can't state this fact or idea in a few sentences? Then either you don't understand it or its not really proof.


I've watched a few debates and shows with Dawkins, he comes across as an angry man with very simple arguments honestly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFwZwRNVwUg

I know a couple of people that talk like you like they just finished their Degree in Philosophy. This is a discussion not a thesis. Both are now working in menial jobs. God bless em.

I did, and they are not which I find weird as it seems to me to be pretty standard for any messenger app these days. What I'm wondering is if the Gems team could ever add the function at a later date even if Telegram don't.

Well I simply had an opinion based on what I personally believe I didn't ask anyone to changs their view for me. Now I'm being challenged because someone thinks they KNOW 100% even though they are limited in knowledge based on their brain that they had no part in designing.

So please show me your 100% fact there is no God that simply the whole world can say ah ok yo're right there is no God. You atheists are a bunch of pseudo intellectuals wearing long black coats and matrix glasses thinking the whole world doesent get what they get. If you can't be intellectally honest enough to accept being an atheist needs as much faith as believing in God, agnostics I think are worth having a conversation with Atheists have nothing but other people to point at and say see they think this, it must be true. Intelletually moronic.

Huh? Because an intelligent person thinks something then it true? But there are intelligent people in history that might agree with me and disagree with you. That's the second most illogical statement I have heard today. I can't assume everyone who is clever is right...I thought you were the thinkers mocking the silly fool believing in Spaghetti Monsters.


The fact is this creation as in existence of inert matter and scientific laws like gravity etc not developed creatures convinces me there must be a power beyond and behind it all. Call me crazy and stick to your story if you want. Cause I know if you have decided that there is not a God you can't argue someone to see it, they have to get that revelation themselves...or not as the case my be. I got to go to bed.

http://kids4truth.com/Dyna/Watchmaker/English.aspx

I would be pretty impressed with either wouldn't you? Forgeting semantics what do you see as different? Assembled suggests another God created it and he just got called in to coordinate things. Or do you mean he created the world and sort of walked away to let it run its course. If so no I believe God is a living God who engages with his creation.

Its a brain twister but God is separate from creation he just is and always was, Yahweh the most common name given to God in the Torah means 'he who creates'.

But you also give me the permission to live my life as I want? And if that is believing in a reason for my own existence in a plan that has ramifications for all eternity you wouldn't mind awfully if I don't follow your way to live that in my opinion leads to destruction of my soul for eternity.

Cause from your statement you are saying I should live my life how I want in other-wards live it as you want me to. I can't think of anything more illogical.

Its the most logical idea. I mean if I show you an ipad and say it never had a creator it just simply exists I'm sure you would say that's an insane proposition considering the complexity and order involved in its design. The more we know from Science is the Universe is so complex at the atomic level to the vastness of space then logic calls for a creator. To me its obvious but it maybe needs a bit of revelation I'm not sure. And to take the idea that there is no creator in such a complex universe is fine but I personally thinks it takes a bigger leap of faith and reason to believe it. If you have that faith then great but I can't get past the simple fact that if something exists then something must of created it.

No that simply directs you to their contact in your phone book. Many chat apps allow you to make calls through the app, I think FB messenger, Whatsapp, Kakaotalk etc. let you call on them only costing you the internet bandwidth cost if any.  I've tried a few of them and they can actually be really good, even better sound than your phone delivers. I'm surprised Telegram has become so popular without this function to be honest. I wish it was part of Telegram cause I'm guessing it would be hard to add it later?

I'm no genius but Big Bang/No Big Bang evolution/no evolution, these are simply processes and don't prove or disprove a Creator God. Existence of matter proves something created it. Its so simple and obvious that only really stupid intellectuals wrestle with it while children understand it.


The next question is now has this God made any kind of sign of his/her/its existence? Well many people have popped up and said they know but only two religions span centuries and simply cannot be faked and put together by one person or group of people. That sign is the Jewish faith and out of that Jewish faith a messiah was prophesied, the description fits Jesus. What about Muslims you say? Well it was created by one man of violence scrambling up the Abrahamic faith and Jesus. So never trust a faith created by one person cause there are about a bazillion. Jesus never created Chrisianity he simply was the missing piece of another one spanning centuries and nations.


The last part is God it seems doesn't want to force anyone to come to him, he gives them choice. That is grace to simply take that choice and receive the Holy Spirit that teaches you your new life. When I became a believer I believed lots of religions were right and all paths lead to God etc but I got the revelation that if a god truly created the world why the hell would he need these tiny little things he made to do things for him. That pretty much sums up 99% of religions which consist of small acts to earn his favour, that includes even good stuff like being moral and good etc. Not wrong in themselves but pretty absurd that a God 'needs' this from his creation. So the choice everyone has to make in this life and possibly the next is will they come to God or not. And following a religion, putting oils on your head, observing fasting wont get you shit. All God wants is an Ok i'm coming from us.

Well done.

For everything that ails you.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JyejnXCAusw

Actually I understood it as the company and the app is called GetGems ie 'you get gems' so the tokens are still called Gems but the exchange ticker/code whatever you want to call it is GEMZ just like say Bitcoin is BTC or Litecoin is LTC.

Around here we like to argue on actual facts not personal attacks. While I admit I have had very little personal experience with Bittrex I have constantly seen its name attached to scams on this forum, I wasn't aware it had real names attached to it so that gives me more trust for the same reason I can trust Cryptsy a bit more than the average exchange. Cryptsy I have lots of experience is probably the most established exchange which has seen almost all its peers collapse over the last couple of years. Bittrex is whether you like it or not relatively a new kid on the block.

I'm guessing I own more coins than you yes. Main reason being I wouldn't touch any of the scammy pump and dumps that are on your posts. You're from Bittrex right?

For all the negativity Cryptsy gets, it's had no major hacking and is one of the only exchanges I know that is actually regulated and has a real persons name on the company, not some anonomous Chinese teenager.


Bittrex is another scam waiting to happen. Cryptsy is a far better fit. But generally I would say the more the merrier, more exchnages mean the risk to one coin is spread out.

You could be right but I disagree that Governments or at least those in real power financially don't care about Bitcoin as it threatens the system they rely on.

I can't see any reason why non BTC held on BTER can't be returned. If not I'm calling it ankther theft, this time by BTER.