Pretty sure Micon is a puppet for that guy who has the huge bet on Pirate defaulting.
yup, you google'd me at least once. |
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It's called a Ponzi Scheme ... you will all lose.
this reads like a contradiction to me. there are many winners in ponzi schemes, that's why btcbubble was so popular, that's why bitcoin pyramid is so popular, and bitcoinduit, etc. so you are saying we should keep running ponzi schemes for btc? |
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We are all going to be rich! Stop trying to stop us! How dare you! Do you really expect us to stop deluding ourselves and start doing something productive?  BTW you can add all the so called pirate pass through bonds to your list. The are just his co-conspirators who would be equally liable for fraud IMO once/if "savings and trust", lol, is revealed as a ponzi (so would be every singe ponzi promoter on this forum). A ponzi is not a ponzi until it defaults ......or is it ? no it is a ponzi when it starts, as it runs, and when it defaults |
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In my head is the perfect p-2-p client server gaming product. If there is someone that can Zuckerberg out what is in my head we will make it rain.
Seal Team 6 needs 1 or 2 more badass coders and it's on. I just busted main event and I promise this is my main focus going forward.
Micon, I would also like to help with this. I don't know much about coding, but I am logical, know basic programming, am a poker player, and also I am physically near by (in Vegas, and actually friends with guys at the studio behind the Palms), so if I can be of assistance to Seals or DD in some fashion, let me know. I've also been tossing around in my head the logistics of a p2p poker protocol and would be very interested in hearing what you've fleshed out, logistically speaking. get my cell from the guys behind Palms / always willing to listen to a real guy that wants to help out Seals / DD |
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Straight Flush jackpot hit! Congrats 'coinroll', won 14BTC total in today's high hand.
Glad coinroll binked it. every time I've been logged in he's there. helluva grinder. If any of you guys have websites, darknets or can sign up 50+ players hit up our affiliate program: https://sealswithclubs.eu/affiliate-area/and sign up a Seals affiliate account: - Note that this is a separate account from your player account. - 20% of player MGR for life of player - paid monthly to your Seals player account, withdraw in our usual, extremely fast fashion to a hash of your choice - to weed out the bullshit affiliates (excuse my french) that we do not want promoting our product, and I feel the need to explain this because I have seen this happen where spammers, scammers, and link kiddies will plaster our beloved Seals all over bullshit sites - that's not what we want - if you are in a live cardroom situation and can get us a ton of players then please sign up. If you have the darknets on lockdown then please serve our ads. If you have a blog, website, forum, facebook page with 10k+ likes, a mailing list, anything like that then please give us a shot and see how much BTC you can make. I have a feeling some of you guys are going to kill it. We ship monies every month. We are not a ponzi scheme like BST or the other lol laughable scams going on (full list of those coming soon BTW - time to go big with this, gotta clean up BTC gaming ASAP if we want to be viable and not laughable) **full disclosure: Seal Team 6 said it was still in beta, but everything was being tracked in the back end and payments are monthly to your Seals account. If something breaks, as always, the boys will do max effort to make it right. |
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Micon on record here (needed the time stamp, just found out how big these scams were) saying that because BST is a Ponzi Scheme, BitcoinMax will also fail very soon.
withdraw all. it's all a scam. nothing pays 6.9% per week.
I'm a 33 year old decade+ poker player. I've been scammed before. This is one of them. It will all end quickly.
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Micon's list of obvious ponzi schemes you should never send BTC to and get back all you can if you already did:1/14/2013 Update
MICON'S #1 CURRENT BTC SCAM:
Butterfly Labs
Dedicated thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=136392.0------------------------- First Wave of BTC Ponzi's, All went boom by Q4 2012 ----------------------- 1) Bitcoin Savings and Trust is the largest BTC Ponzi. Likely $1M+ USD scam -- https://btcst.com/login - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50822.1480 - (how is this locked!?) BS&T is very soon going to be the largest BTC theft ever (posted 7/27/2012) BS&T is run by pirateat40 --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35827 and he is openly mocking his "investors" with this username and the name of his scam. At least this will add much lulz to the greatest BTC theft story when it's written.
2) MyBitcoinTrade - Classic Russian Scammer background - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81357.0 & their lol-tastic FAQ https://mybitcointrade.com/en/?content=/intern/faqs - this has been elevated to #2 on my list (7/27/2012) as it is independant of Pirateat40's BS&T ponzi
3) vescudero's Ponzi Scam - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89122.0 active in this thread, let's see how he claims to pay 2% interest and still wants investors for this great money making thing he does. Has set up many fake accounts, twitter, linkedin, facebook, "personal" website with non-personal content.
4) NCKRAZZE's Ponzi Scam - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81927.40 - standard vague business unit plans, just deposits and payouts until he decides to leave (
5) BitcoinMax (simple derivative of BS&T) - operator states in FAQ that if BS&T defaults then his version dies too. Shameful to run, but honest) https://bitcoinmax.com/
6) Leandro César's Ponzi Scam - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=46750.0 (active in thread)
7) Dank Bank ponzi scam https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93003
 ciuciu's ponzi scam https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=87780.0
9) OgNasty's ponzi scam https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75843.0 (has claimed he will start giving deposits back and focus on his mining company, let's see)
10) RustyRyan's ponzi scam https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=96163.0
11) imsaguy's ponzi scam https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60117.0 (guy isn't even trying in his OP - at least tell your marks that you are trading great or something)
12) Joker's scam http://jokerdragonbtcif.blogspot.ca/
GLBSE investment products linked to Ponzi scams you should not invest in:
1) BurtW's BCST ponzi derivative bonds https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=76594.0 https://glbse.com/asset/view/PPT.A https://glbse.com/asset/view/PPT.B https://glbse.com/asset/view/PPT.C https://glbse.com/asset/view/PPT.D https://glbse.com/asset/view/PPT.E
2) Bitdaytrade (3% per week) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=93445.0 https://glbse.com/asset/view/BDT
3) FOO.PPPPT -- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83013 - https://glbse.com/asset/view/FOO.PPPPT - another shameful pirate passthrough, just dumping even more money to the biggest BTC scammer to date.
4) CIUCIU.BOND https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95826.0 another shameful scam offering from ciuciu
a good list of ponzi's, pass-throughs, and other scams I may have missed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81542.0 Bitcointalk.org is doing the bitcoin community a huge disservice to list these Ponzi's under " Economy > Marketplace > Lending" - this gives them amazing credibility to new, young BTC users. They should be listed under " Economy > Marketplace > Ponzi Schemes" so new users are aware of the scam and can take part if they wish. Yes, it's odd that ppl take part in something they know it's a scam, but the BTC currency doesn't determine right or wrong, scammers are gonna scam, and there are people that want to be scammed, so might as well categorize as such. And please reserve the marketplace > gambling for legitimate gambling products like SealsWithClubs and SatoshiDice - not for outright scams. I am a 33 year old poker player & entrepreneur. I have been scammed and know how to spot scams. I run a poker forum and podcast called DonkDown and I out scams against the poker world as much as I can. I know most BTC users are still very young. Nothing can pay 6.9% per WEEK (lols at the balls needed to print this). Let alone something that does nothing. It's called a Ponzi Scheme, it's been around for years, only the site owner and a very small % of early "investors" make a profit. please take the time to read about the scam and realize it's totally the same scam, just using BTC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_schemeThink about it logically: -- here are some traditional "high interest" savings account rates. They are around 1% per year. http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/03/21/which-online-high-yield-savings-account-is-best/-- these schemes take in "investment" -- they have no underlying business machine that makes money -- they pay out an outrageous rate of interest - 7% per week - a full 3000% per year! it's a totally impossible scenario unless they Walter Whiting up some glass quality and selling it -- some may claim to be "trading" or "investing" in other things, but they are doing nothing other than seeking new investment to keep paying the insane interest -- They use new investment to keep paying the interest until new investment < interest owed that week, or month, or at a point where they believe it to now be -EV to keep paying the interest. -- most will lose, except the site operators and a small % of early "investors" - massive pain will be felt through the BTC community -- this will likely be the largest BTC scam or theft ever, surpassing both Bitcoinica hacks and the Gox craziness of last year and that 1 other I'm forgetting about This is a huge negative on the community financially and for bitcoin itself. This also makes a mockery of the Marketplace > Lending forum category. Real, actual, BTC lending at traditional time-value of money rates should be legitimate BTC business. Most of what I see here is nothing but disgusting scammery that is all falling apart extremely soon and will become the next "giant BTC theft" story. *** Note: Considering categorizing lending scams into Ponzi, Ponzi derivative, multi-investment fund with exposure to Ponzi (and occasionally mining, which has a legit business unit that could profit) and we will for sure need an "Other" category in the future.
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The first person to make some bitcoin compatible software that's comparable to full-tilt/pokerstars/etc. will make a shed load of BTC. The suggestion to get a GLBSE listing going is a good one -we could all invest and reap the rewards  Do we have enough skills in the community to pull this off and how much would it cost? Apparently they want 75k for their source code. I can make a comparable client in a month for a lot less than that using Python and PySide. That would mean cross-compatibility with other OS as well. Shit, in a few months I could probably learn enough Java to get the Python one ported over to Android. Android can already support QT interfaces (which is what PySide designs GUIs with) afaik. Well, I'm not a designer, so maybe I'd probably need someone to draw me up mock interfaces to copy over for the GUI, but whoever is doing the web design for the current site would be a good enough candidate for that job. The client would interface with the current SealsWithClubs PokerMaven's server, so nothing on their end would even need to change. I already sent over a proof-of-concept command line GUI for SwC to FreeMoney as I mentioned in my previous post here... Trust me, it's as simple as coding a GUI and hooking it up to that command-line backend. Coding a GUI that looks identical to PokerStars honestly can't be that hard... There's only a select few dialog-types, and each table is drawn based on a template. This is not a 75k job. Well, unless you want to overhaul the server end as well (which seems to be working as fine as it can be...). That job would probably be best left up to a professional. If you want a cost estimate on creating a PokerStars/FTP-like client: For reference, I work part-time on-call for a construction company and make about 20-30k a year from it depending on how good the construction market is in California. I also go to school part-time. Employing ME for a few months would only take 5-15k. I'm sure there are better individuals cut out for the job than me. Check out outsourcing the client design to India, or get a private contractor to do it! My guesstimate: 1k-1.5k project tops for an independent contractor who is well experienced to create the client. 3k if you want a client on iOS and Android as well. In my head is the perfect p-2-p client server gaming product. If there is someone that can Zuckerberg out what is in my head we will make it rain. Seal Team 6 needs 1 or 2 more badass coders and it's on. I just busted main event and I promise this is my main focus going forward. |
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I JUST BUSTED THE MAIN AND PUT 4 COINS ON HERE WHERE IS MY ENT-PURSE #!??!?
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Wow it's great to see this thread. For those that don't know, I've been working with Freemoney for 10 months or so trying to solve the problems that the contributors in this thread have listed. It is not an easy fix, and trust me the dedicated group of people (Freemoney first and foremost) that work on this project constantly are working towards these goals. BTC acceptance with the general population is on the rise. The poker players are mostly nerds, so they will be some of the first to adopt. I promise the BTC community I am helping out Seals in every way I can, and that the team together shares your vision. After the WSOP we are going to get our asses back in high gear. IF YOU WANT TO HELP: please sign up for our beta affiliate program: https://sealswithclubs.eu/affiliate-area/ and msg affiliates@sealswithclubs.eu with questions. We need the BTC community to help us hard-core market our site. If you own a darknet site, plz put our links up and get your 20% shipped to your Seals acct for play or withdraw to a hash of your choosing. FYI I play the main event day 1C on Monday / wearing my BTC button / SealswithClubs patch as always. If you are at the WSOP and see me ask me for a seals & BTC button! I got tons. |
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Hi guys. let's break this down, as I have had this discussion with many humans, from trained economists to the layman. Is BTC a currency? 1) let's define currency: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency --> "In economics, currency refers to a generally accepted medium of exchange." 2) I think bitcoin fits this description. 3) some economists I have talked to run down a list to see if BTC is or isn't a currency. something like this: 3a) Is it a store of value? 3b) can it be easily transferred and traded? 3c) is it accepted by many merchants for goods and services? I think BTC is a currency at this point. It probably became something like a micro-currency when it was first traded for actual USD, even if only a few cents, so long as there would have been a handful of people or merchants would accept the BTC for some good or service. My best guess is early 2011 BTC became a currency, somehow crawling out of the Satoshi-based primordial soup that it came from, up through the ranks of WoW and Second Life, into the flourishing drug trade and now extended to many, many widely varying businesses. |
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and we are BACK!
first PLO table now running.
very awesome new look to the site and playing software, now with PLO, PLO8, O8 and the lol-tastic limit omaha high only!
very proud of our dev team "Seal Team 6" that knocked this 1 out of the park and will continue to do so for our players.
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may I humbly submit our Seals Tshirt:  |
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Is it down?
Tried to log in: Could not connect to poker client, please try again.
seem that way to me... I have alerted the proper nerds... |
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Hi.
Got a project. Are you the likely youngish genious web designer / programmer I'm looking for? would love to make you rich / start with a redesign / prove to me that I can't live without you.
hit me on skype: bmicon
paying BTC and paying well for good work
-/\/\icon
bleh / still looking for a badass Wordpress + moar guy... please be the guy? work for BTC? |
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lolz I even mention the Pornhub link in my video, I don't really have much to hide I don't think my wife / friends or family would really care or be shocked to learn I use a computer for pornography enough to have it in my favorites. I am a pro poker player / website owner so it just doesn't really matter.
Holler BACK
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1) product idea: "level of taint on my bitcoin" site, with a formula to determine level of taint, how many transactions ago, etc
2) I agree, Gox or any other exchange shouldn't judge your coins, a coin is a coin and it's a brutal, unforgiving system but that's what it has been created here / can't police the coins.
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a little BTC video I made for seals but should be a good one for general BTC explanation. I've basically given this speech / presentation to all of my friends that will listen, so I just recorded it: http://www.youtube.com/v/QXNb9h12AE8You should indicate which OS & browser (& extensions) you are using. Awesome video! +1 yeah, you are right, it's basically any windows machine made in the last decade + any browser with flash to do everything I did, but I'll place the info in the video description. |
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a little BTC video I made for seals but should be a good one for general BTC explanation. I've basically given this speech / presentation to all of my friends that will listen, so I just recorded it: meh how to embed? [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/v/QXNb9h12AE8[/youtube] http://www.youtube.com/v/QXNb9h12AE8 |
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