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Please, no one give Pirateat40 userlists. This is a common technique so he can roll them again in the future. They are pre-qualified for an "I can help you get Pirate just pay me monies" scam
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Payb.tc - I know u made mistakes so far. Please do not compound them and do not send a userlist to Pirate. This is a common technique to give him a targeted list of users that have deposited to the scam for future rollings.
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Hey Team Ponzi - serious question: what Ponzi operator has voluntarily declared default? Pirate doesn't count because he still hasn't admitted or been proven to run one.
Check my previous posts right at "closure" announcement. I predicted everything to a T so far - not that is is an amazing accomplishment - this should be the Ponzi manual in the Jr. Bernie Madoff "My First Ponzi Starter Kit" by Mattel This is nothing but the latest step in the long stall that is "letting the mark down easy" Very frequently there is abrupt end and the schemer runs away, but also very frequently there is the long stall and he'll tell people you are his friend and he'll make it right, just more time, more paperwork, etc. Announcing a closure a week and a half ago was a stall, into the Monday deadline, into a stall with no time frame, into a default message, into a stall for another random deadline this time to submit personal information of the marks!?? I mean, I hope co-conspirator Payb.tc isn't stupid enough to fuck over his already fucked over userbase. Any co-conspirator that hands personal info over to Pirate after this debacle is now crossing into the dark side. A common use of this info is to re-roll the mark by saying "I can get you Pirate money back" and the mark gets rolled again somehow, like hiring a BS investigator or something. |
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NO!
The user controlling that address is not pirate40! 1) really? seems like it 2) any proof it's not? |
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so.... people are seriously still using this service?
u guys know the owner owes 100k's of BTC in a seperate obvious scam?
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If you've been following #btcst you'd know that he hasn't disappeared, and has stated his willingness to sacrifice his own profit soon if he can't make progress with the initial plan. Talk is cheap, but we'll see.
in this case the talk is worthless. as you can read from my previous posts in this thread before it started, the final stage of the scam is the long stall. Pirate has given you his weak excuses, only a few foolishly still hold on to hope. on the subject of "its not proof" and "you cant be sure he wont pay back" - this is only correct as a technicality. IMO there is a 99.999999999999999999999999999999%+ chance of pirate default. the 1-in-100,000,000 lifetimes scenarios are the only chance of payback, like some Sultan of Breunei that i unknowingly put a beat on during WSOP 2009 that pays the Pirate debt in full just so I dont win 1000 BTC from Matt |
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Micon, now you have done it.
what was the total btc lost on the current issues of PPT bonds? surely you know and wont be as arrogant as to say "look it up yourself" or "not your info" like payb.tc |
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1) BurtW, ...
3) The arrogance and outright lies he spread make me sick.
All right Micon - that's a friend of mine you are speaking about. Do you have proof that BurtW has lied about anything? Please quote. And what about your lies, hmmmm? Provide evidence for the following blind assertions you made in a single post: "BurtW helped Pirateat40 funnel 100k's of BTC to his scam via PPT bonds" - hint - you've already been corrected in this very thread. "never invested his own monies" - while I could be anyone claiming anything, I know this assertion to be false. But most importantly, where's your evidence? You do not have any, because you are lying. Making it up as you go along. In the course of just a couple weeks, you've gone off uncountable times half-cocked with wild assertions that are provably false. With never a mea culpa, apology, or retraction. I think you mean well in general, but your buffoonery is casting a lot of collateral damage. Put that thing away before somebody really gets hurt. 1) retraction - looks like BurtW was not as smart as i thought. if he fired his own BTC and set up the PPT system AND posted that it for sure wasnt a ponzi in his sig and i almost forgot about the fake $10k Bet thread..... im now thinking this is a guy that Believed Pirate lies in totality 2) i think we need to add up some #'s and see how Big of a co-conspirator BurtW is. looks like he will rank #2 to payb.tc. I should have ran the math first or phrased it different, but its a considerable sum. how many BTC are the total of the last round of bonds? those are all Pirate profit now. 3) my main assertions are full-cocked, and all look to be 100% true (are you reading the same thread?) this was about Pirate being a total Ponzi schemer paying 7%/wk and it would go boom soon - and it went boom |
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Weird how quiet it's gotten on this thread now that it's increasingly clear OP is basically right on the big one.
Potentially. Should GPUMAX stop paying out, I'd call the show over and done. I am perturbed by the delay, although it was counterproductive for Pirate to announce his move to close the operation before preparing for it. Right now it's wait-and-see. If you've been following #btcst you'd know that he hasn't disappeared, and has stated his willingness to sacrifice his own profit soon if he can't make progress with the initial plan. Talk is cheap, but we'll see. As far as I'm concerned, Maged has been more disingenuous by proclaiming evidence that supposedly proves BTCS&T was a fraudulent operation, yet refusing to supply said evidence. If it does turn out that Pirate ran a scam, Micon and most of Team Ponzi were just on a crusade to save people from themselves, but Maged may have had sufficient material to establish proof. To me, that would be a lesser version of withholding the cure for a virulent plague that wipes out a large percentage of the population. 1) Positive signs that the Stockholm syndrome period is wearing off, miscreanity finally entertained the idea that Pirate won't pay. 2) Believe it or not, I have a track record of spending my time and energy to save other ppl I don't from scams. I am driven to do this because it sickens me to see a scam actively trapping innocents, let alone a BTC version - that really pissed me off - bitcoin could change the world! let's not fuck it up in it's relative infancy. 3) here is a fun spreadsheet and I did all the work for you: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah0rJ1eK8mwpdEs2MFRfbGQybGhNamo1aGhDSURaT1EIt's got a column of weeks, and a column that just multiplies the above week by 1.07 the fun facts, if you don't want to see all the numbers: week 1 - Invest $100 Week 52 - $3152 end year 2 - $106,000+ end year 3 - $3.5M+ year 4 - $120M+ year 8 - you have all the money in the world THATS why you can't pay 7% per week - you would have to pay out all the money in the world in 8 yrs if a guy invests $100 |
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Bet thread updated: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97094.0No, I am not planning on selling the debt so there is no need to "mark to market". I will either get BTC back or lose them. If Pirate pays eveyone then I do stand to make a tidy profit. If he does not pay everyone then I stand to lose a lot of my BTC. dude you can't still be serious... 1) BurtW, along with Payb.tc are co-conspirators in this scam. 2) BurtW helped Pirateat40 funnel 100k's of BTC to his scam via PPT bonds. 3) The arrogance and outright lies he spread make me sick. I think he knew the whole time what was going on, never invested his own monies but wanted to make a % each week. 4) This "bet" thread that BurtW made is so laughable to update 1 week after Pirateat40 defaulted. Obviously it's a locked thread because he would get destroyed in the thread (for not actually making the bet, for accruing interest based on if an obvious scammer returns monies he doesn't have) 5) Let's all never forget when BurtW made his sig "No, BCST is not a Ponzi" |
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… i definitely rate personal responsibility way above victimism... people have noone to blame but themselves.
If one of the victims had said that, I might not have replied, but if you say it, a few words are in order. i am one of the 'victims', therefore didn't bother reading the rest as the logic doesn't follow... i've lost 5300 btc. i'm sure micon and the likes will love to hear me publish my exact personal stake. but clearly, i take sole responsibility for losing those coins. edit: okay so i read a bit more of your post... if pirate doesn't pay out i've made practically nothing at all from this venture. perhaps 20 btc, haha i'm rich! payb.tc - you are a co-conspirator. See that balance owed to you by Pirate? 5300 BTC is yours, and $1,xxx,xxx USD worth is other "investors" monies. You helped create the largest scam in BTC history, and you still to this day continue to try and cover it up by still refusing to publish the smallest of details that would help our autopsy on this shameful scenario. |
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Of course I'm not certain but I doubt that address belongs to Pirate. If it did it would mean he owes at least 1 million BTC on paper, likely much more. prolly 10x that https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101958.420in other news, 3-post user just deleted this: Quote from: sadpandatech on Today at 03:51:55 PM Quote from: yokosan on Today at 02:51:54 PM Feel free to contact pirate at 972 281-9375 GREG DOES NOT = TRENDON anyone who is not a retard knows atleast that much... no, it is you that is the retard you fucking moron... http://donateathome.org/show_user.php?userid=818 - GregK on a bitcoin based site, having contributed significant hashing power http://sampleswap.org/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=138850 - GregK on another site that takes bitcoin http://www.primegrid.com/forum_thread.php?id=3467&nowrap=true#38300 - GregK on another site related to CPU/GPU based folding where he has contributed hashing power yet again. Contains discussion about bitcoin. May as well include the initial evidence from the old thread since most probably haven't seen it. Quote from: pirateat40 on September 22, 2011, 05:10:58 PM Used XFX 6970 card available Runs 400/mh with cgminer. Only the card is available, no cables or software. Best Offer, BTC only. Buyer must pay for the card up front before shipping. Includes shipping. Picture with ident http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9280474/6970.jpgNote the dropbox userid. http://pastebin.com/RiV3fgaiSame dropbox id Quote [12:25:2011 01:16 <GregK> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9280474/tools/vista.reghttp://www.texasvelo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17Quote from: GregK Ahoy, pirates, bucanners, freebooters, corsaires, This Saturday's Pirate Ride may be sailing from a different port. LBJ Park in Stonewall, to be specific. Looks like another gale-force day, similar to last Saturday. If only we could reef our sails. Forecast points to gusting winds from north and northwest. I suggest two possible routes. One is the Sandy loop, probably ridden counter-clockwise. The other would incorporate Cave Creek and then up towards Willow City and meandering back via Wahrmund-Ahrens and North Grape Creek Rds. I am looking for 1.5 to 2 hours of steady, more-or-less earnest cruising up and down hills, mostly to burn some calories and stimulate mitochondria multiplication. For those still interested in crushing hills in advance of West Texas climbing, well, my period for that training will have passed. (I may punctuate the group ride with some individual TT efforts once back at the park, as a final fitness honing effort before beginning sincere tapering for the Big Event.) Open to other suggestions and comments. Hope to post a more concrete description tomorrow, or Thursday at the latest. And by all means, if some Pirates prefer to ride out of Fred proper, please don't hesitate to post a "competing" ride. --Greg Kagay This is where his name pirateat40 comes from. Pirate had originally been involved in folding based projects when he discovered bitcoin. Since he had already been folding he had the hardware for mining as proven by his early interest in mining when he joined these forums, as well as selling hardware that he already had. He progressed to other areas including the buying up of debt when he came up with his scheme. |
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Hey guys - I developed a tool that lets you more easily track money flow between both addresses and owners (which are provably grouped addresses belonging to the same entity). I plugged in the address and expanded some of the more interesting transfers - check it out for yourself! http://blockviewer.com/#/owns/1DkyBEKt5S2GDtv7aQw6rQepAvnsRyHoYM Click on the nodes to expand them - they are a little tough to click on (I'm working on that). It's kind of a mess because I expanded too many nodes, granted, but you can download the data files from the API and import them into https://gephi.org/ if you want to do some real analysis. Check out the link above, or join the discussion thread about this tool here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=103609.0I just launched it today, so there are bound to be lots of bugs. Let me know! NOTE: The data is about a day old right now - I'm working with my host to get more storage as this database has consumed my limit of 50GB at the moment. Please check back soon - it will be as updated as blockchain.info as soon as this is resolved. Holy crap that's epic! +1, can w use this to see if the last 100k coins from his wallet ended up in a headshot Gox wallet somewhere? also 1 confirmation :popcorn |
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After the recent posts on IRC, it seems pretty clear that no one will be getting anything back anytime soon, EVEN if this was a legitimate loan or just a partial Ponzi. Why? Because prices on passthroughs and people selling the debt are slowly decreasing each day. Someone in that position would be very tempted to buy up the debt either directly of through an accomplice, then pay himself back the principal. Forget about the 5K BTC bet, that's nothing compared to the profit he could make by buying his own debt cheaply. I'd wager that we'll have another few weeks of talk like "it's hard to unwind investments". By then, debt will be selling for 10-20% or less...
under that scenario, he would still have to trust the PPT operators to distribute the coins. eg. even if he were able to buy up all the bitcoinmax accounts for 15,000 BTC, to end things properly he'd still have to physically send me 150,000 and then trust that i would distribute those coins properly and not pull a scam myself. as a co-conspirator, does this make you at least remorseful to see this wallet? https://blockchain.info/charts/balance?address=1DkyBEKt5S2GDtv7aQw6rQepAvnsRyHoYMyou see the 100k BTC xfer he just made? that's likely heading to Gox, which he will then fuck the market a little by dumping it, getting yet another ~ $1M USD for his scam. Payb.tc helped in a major way to facilitate this. He is defiant to the end, still refusing to tell us the total amount of BTC Pirateat40 owes Bitcoinmax so we can better gauge the size of the scam. (current working model for me, about 1M BTC input, ~ 500k BTC paid in interest over 2012, 500k left, owes 70k /wk interest each week, makes sense to stop now) seriously Payb.tc - any time now - tell us the size of BitcoinMax - at least start acting right starting now. |
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Lol, maybe you are right! Pirate getting ready for this weekend? he's getting ready for 1 hr from now. 6 confs and it's getting shot on Gox. Watch the sell orders. Price recovers in a day or so IMO |
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MtGox price about to dump, then recover I bet over the next 24 hrs starting in 1 hr? |
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1) Lucky I hooked up with a guy like Freemoney. He totally takes care of you guys as much as he can. It's amazing to see him crush it like that. 2) I want to personally thank everyone who came out for the biggest Big BTC ever today, 36 players, 2 BTC buy in, we had 72 coins in a poker tournament and that's a damn fine start IMO. I will work tirelessly to make it bigger. Hit us up at affiliates@sealswithclubs.eu and generate links and a bonus code and get paid for helping us market the best & biggest pure bitcoin poker site out there! |
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20:06 <@pirateat40> At this point and in an attempt to stop the bleeding (interest) I'm going to be forced to payout everyone at once, which I'm sure will piss off enough people to counter the lack of payouts but I don't see any other way of handling this.
20:09 <@pirateat40> My concern is not "winning" the bet as much as it is "donating" the winnings. With the events of this week causing delays, 5K worth of coins is a piece of sand compared to the amount of money I'm losing every hour.
20:13 <@pirateat40> I'm doing everything in my power within the contracts of the "Real World" to get things moving as fast as possible. If, I end up losing the bets and spending everything I worked for to make things right I will. I will not be giving any additional times or dates until I know exactly when things will happen.
20:17 <@pirateat40> I know you guys want updates and communication, but I'm somewhat muted by the personal attacks and legalities of whats going on. There is a lot more to this story than just "Send me back my coins." If I had all the coins just sitting around I would've has this wrapped up a long time ago.
Stally McStallersen, that is the endgame here. This got way to big for him way to fast. O/u $50k per day in interest? That's why you can't borrow monies at 7% per week. That's crack prices. 1) lolz at "winning" and "donating" being any concern when u owe like $10M USD to the internet 2) "Real World" just keeping a BTC brotha' down in this matter, and other vague thoughts here 3) and clearly Pirateat40 cannot make small payments nor will he address this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94675.0 (which is the digital equidistant of the Pulp Fiction "Bad Motherfuckr" wallet) (also known as "where the scammer put all your bitcoins" ) 4) Would love to hear from some of Pirate's co-conspirators ( Payb.tc and BurtW ) at this stage. Remember when BurtW put in his sig "It's not a Ponzi" ? |
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1) I read this entire thread. Who else assumes we are watching Pirate's wallet here? me I predict you'll start noticing 1DkyBEK behaving quite differently after Aug. 17 than it has in the preceeding months up to Pirate closing shop.
If 1DkyBEK grows at a similar pace in the upcoming months, or eclipses the height of its former glory, the premise of this whole thread has been falsified and I was wrong. No necessarily. Pirate is still known to co-owns GPUMAX, which could cater for some of the movement. It is furthermore possible that this wallet actually belongs to Silk Road and may even be part of the same conglomerate (Pirate, Dread Pirate Roberts,..?) So this wallet may stay active even after BS&T has defaulted long ago. that kid from Carnegie Mellon's article I read about SR estimated 22M USD in sales with about $1.5M in yearly profits at current monthly multiples from a few months ago. 1DkyBEK was built this year to over 600k BTC. doesn't seem like any other entity makes sense. This autopsy on this scam is gonna prove it's much bigger than we first thought in early-mid august. |
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