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1681  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bryan Micon's List of Bitcoin Scammers, Shills, and Users Not To Trust IMO on: September 06, 2012, 11:25:43 AM
ty for the bump.

List updated. 
1682  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Micon blew up Pirate on: September 05, 2012, 12:11:54 PM
I implore you to look at sealswithclubs.eu. I am pro there under leadership of Chairman Byron Micon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teVeiJ086lM

ah Mosrite now that makes sense why you asked me to U/L that.

I see you have been singing my praises here!

As some of you know, BlueMosrite is one of my anonymous pros at Seals.  He is the self-proclaimed "Best player in his Oblast" of Kyv, Ukraine.  Please welcome him to this community.
1683  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ on: September 05, 2012, 12:06:34 PM

I think they're scams, too. It is impossible to get risk-free 1.5% weekly interest, I don't care how good you are at "playing the market" or "choosing who to lend to."


Not really impossible.. it's just very difficult to do so consistently for more than a few months. I've witnessed first hand much higher rates of return for a 6 month period (then they crashed).

Of course if vescudero stops and returns the funds as soon as his arbitrage opportunity disappears, or his trading strategy stops working, assuming the last batch of losses himself, then this can work well for him as a reputation-building exercise. If he expects to do this indefinitely... then it'll probably end up as a ponzi, especially if he tries to cover any losses with more deposits.


So far I've received interest for 3 weeks,  am quite happy with this and think that it's legit. But caution is always advisable.

I have seen this line of thinking before.  It is important to understand there is no underlying business unit here - weekly interest only comes from new investment. 

Veescudero's "arbitrage opportunity" is a myth - think about it guys - there is only 1 exchange of any size.
1684  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Starfish BCB - Loans and Deposits on: September 05, 2012, 12:03:42 PM

Does this mean you have some room for deposits? Would like to add some additional BTC.

If you would like to increase your deposit balance, please pm me.


Disclaimer (the less serious version)
LMFAO - what, you want to deposit?  Do you have permission from the guardians of the forum?  Do you know it might be a scam and I'll steal your money?  Any credit information you've seen could have been made up, falsified and used for a sixth grade economics project about the failure of the US banking system.

It is always important to ask a guy that claims to have a very profitable business why he continues to borrow money at 1%/wk
1685  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Why I trust Patrick Harnett on: September 05, 2012, 03:42:52 AM
Several of us have actually done this in reality (well not the risk-free part, we do take on a lot of risk).  This needs to be repeated over and over until you realize that it is actually happening.

Some of us have become very good at picking who to lend to and who not to lend to.  Just because you think it is too risky for you and that you would never try to do it does not mean you have to try to make everyone else stop doing it.
I have no objection to you doing it with your own money. And every explanation I've heard for why other people's money is needed fails the giggle test.

+1 / well said. 

It's the constant need for new money after claims of making large profits.  Tell tale sign of scam.
1686  Other / Meta / Re: "Long-term offers" - gonna have to tackle this 1 eventually on: September 05, 2012, 02:07:03 AM
I think it's good to have credit ratings stickied. As far as I know, Patrick is currently the only person publishing credit ratings. If more people publish them, I'll unsticky Patrick's topic and create a new sticky which links to all of the credit rating topics.
I approve of this. The more credit ratings, the better.
And I have also published my Credit ratings & reviews too:   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105285.0
Sorry, but that's an absolute joke. I would guess that it's mostly right, but you've clearly not put any real effort into gathering information.

Wait... let me get this straight...

1) you, like theymos, approve of credit ratings and wish more people published them.  (I also agree with this - then over a long sample size (years and years) we will see who has published more accurate credit ratings)

2) you say my credit ratings are a joke, but then in the next sentence say that they are "mostly right" - and I strongly disagree as I think others would that I have "clearly not put any real effort into gather information" on this subject as you claim.

1687  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: #BTCST Updates. Latest: August 28th 6:16PM EST on: September 04, 2012, 10:21:28 AM
Suddenly decide to start emptying the address and laundering the coins as soon as BS&T collapsed so much attention was drawn to it?

+1

biggest reason for it being Pirate booty is that nothing else - I mean nothing else in the entire BTC universe makes sense to have 5% of bitcoins in 1 wallet, built starting early this year until BCST busto. Nothing else it could be.
1688  Economy / Speculation / Re: 1DkyBEKt5S2GDtv7aQw6rQepAvnsRyHoYM on: September 04, 2012, 10:16:35 AM
So Micon....  Why do you know so much about confidence scams?

Probably for the same reason many others do and were able to call them out so far.
History is readable and repetitive.

A scam-supporter himself he thinks he's calling me out huge because I can tell 7%/wk is a Ponzi scam, insinuating that knowledge must mean I too am a filthy scammer. 

Good try / no one bought it. 

Back on topic though,  I think that there is no doubt this is / was the Pirate wallet.  He's doing a good job of laundry at this point it seems, so it will prolly eventually only serve as a historical marker to say "look at how big it was" when he shut down BCST.
1689  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Bryan Micon's List of Non-BCST Ponzi's Still Running (with credit rating) on: September 03, 2012, 04:53:25 PM
Also of note, here is the write up of BCST, in Slovenian: 


http://www.racunalniske-novice.com/novice/dogodki-in-obvestila/bitconi-vredni-vec-milijonov-evrov-izpuhteli-v-piramidni-shemi.html?GSM36f88fbc4c3c56feeb257a445ff23069


while the google-translate is worth a chuckle, these are the type of stories these scams generate.  Yes most people are stupid, and will generally read "look, that scam currency again"  - well even though they don't understand, to make bitcoin widely accepted they have to trust it.  It's so imperative that the 90%+ of the humans that will hopefully use bitcoin and won't ever understand it completely trust it - that's what makes it work.   let's start building the trust and not killing it.
1690  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Its Official Pirate Has Defaulted!! on: September 03, 2012, 04:50:08 PM
In Russia, Ponzi scams you!

http://www.racunalniske-novice.com/novice/dogodki-in-obvestila/bitconi-vredni-vec-milijonov-evrov-izpuhteli-v-piramidni-shemi.html?GSM36f88fbc4c3c56feeb257a445ff23069

(actually Slovenia)
1691  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Bryan Micon's List of Non-BCST Ponzi's Still Running (with credit rating) on: September 03, 2012, 03:51:33 PM
Bryan is mad because his poker "friends" think bitcoin is a scam.

 http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/showthread.php?796-Top-10-Reasons-Why-Bryan-Micon-is-Piece-of-Shit-Scumbag

You can't fix stupid. People that cannot tell the difference between "bitcoin was a currency used in a scam" and "bitcoin is a scam" aren't going to offer anything to bitcoin. Your illegal gambling site stands to gain a small bump. However I believe it would be very small. And it seems poker players have a lot more reasons to avoid your site than just the fact it uses btc. The accusactions of you using site admin status to game your players is interesting.

I think at some point you do more harm to your message than good. I do agree most everything in longterm offers is some variation of class scams. But the way you go about things (hostile, aggressive, illogical) would actually add some credibility to the things you are trying to protect sealswithclubs (I mean the community) from. You could learn some things from Joel on that front. I know perzonally I will avoid swc. Mainly because the admin abuse/bot accusactions seem as likely to me as the ponzi/scam ones. Supported by the way you act here and your googabled reputation.


1)  That post is from a long time troll, in a thread populated by long time trolls, on a site populated by long time trolls.  Read the entire thread - click on the OP and see all of his posts, scroll a bit... I think you can see a pattern of trolling + wild, false accusations - it's a culture of stupid, and I've recently exited it.  Not meant to be taken seriously

2)  Freemoney owns SealsWithClubs.  I'm the pro there and help market the site.  The software we use, Mavens, has no such "admin access" - again you are reading a troll whose message certainly worked as intended.   SealsWithClubs has a rock solid history and if players were getting hole-carded by management you would have heard complaints.  Download the software yourself.  Msg Briggsoft as a concerned possible buyer of the software - you just cannot hole card on Mavens.  Some on this board have poked extensively at the software, and I'm proud to say it's passed all tests so far.

3)  I agree I get emotional and sometimes post aggressively.  I promise you it stems from my passion for BTC and desire to make it better.
1692  Other / Meta / Re: "Long-term offers" - gonna have to tackle this 1 eventually on: September 03, 2012, 03:38:01 PM
I think it's good to have credit ratings stickied. As far as I know, Patrick is currently the only person publishing credit ratings. If more people publish them, I'll unsticky Patrick's topic and create a new sticky which links to all of the credit rating topics.

Maybe you still don't understand it either, but https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81542.0  these credit ratings are akin to a 3rd grader writing in crayon on a piece of construction paper which pony she thinks is prettier:

Here is PatrickHarnett's Rating (rememebeer PatrickHarnett himself runs a 1%/wk scam himself) for "RustyRyan"

Quote from: PatrickHarnett
   RustyRyan   3.00%      -      28-Jul-12      A-      10 coin/4 week minimum, weekly payout      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=96163.0   

Yup, that's right - a 3%/wk scam, A- Credit rating.  Theymos I suppose you either don't care because you are making money or you cannot immediately discern that paying 3%/wk to borrow money & to keep borrowing more of it is literally 100% always a scam.  If you cared or could understand this you would realize the grave mistakes you have made and continue to make in this matter.  You are directly working against the best interest of this community and you are working directly in favor of scammers.

And I have also published my Credit ratings & reviews too:   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105285.0





1693  Other / Meta / Re: "Long-term offers" - gonna have to tackle this 1 eventually on: September 03, 2012, 06:19:18 AM
Which stickies in the lending forum are you referring to again?

1) when all of these borrowing at high % scams were under "Lending" a handful of them were stickied.  a PPT was among them, I think BurtW's but I do not remember for sure.

2) Currently in the shameful & misnamed "Long Term Offers" section, there exists this sticky:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=81542.0   which is the PatrickHarnett (another schemer) sticky of "Who pays what"  - it is nothing but a list of current Ponzis.  He is a well respected member (to those that cannot see through the 1% per week scam, which should be obvious, but obviously is not to most of this forum's users) and gives an "A-" credit rating for a 3% per week paying "RustyRyan" borrowing scam.  He uses tables and makes it look nice.  But of course, this is just another stickied advertisement for the HYIP scammers and holy shit is it effective.  This is the main bitcoin forum remember - this users Patrick has 1000's of posts and Hero super-member status with a stickied thread - it appears totally legitimate to the newbie not scared by 1%/wk... or 3%/wk... but at least we can agree at this point 7%/wk is a scam?  Ok let's see how low we can go. (hint:  we're not close yet - ask any CPA / Accountant / Bank teller)

3) oddly enough, almost admitting to save face in the future, this thread "how to identify a Ponzi" is also stickied - the only 2 threads stickied there, and the views and pages of "WPW" far exceeds the Ponzi-identifier.  It's like the mods know these borrowing programs are all scams - but instead of working to stop the culture of scams they take part in them and give them max-effectiveness free advertising while putting up a postage stamp sized warning label so after the scams go belly up the mods can claim we warned you.


1694  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Starfish BCB - Loans and Deposits on: September 03, 2012, 06:07:27 AM

Do I claim to have 17000 in profit, not at the moment, the M2M is about 13,200.


Ok so you claim to have 13,200 in profit - so I assume you will never need to take another investor deposit now?   or will somehow a spot open up for someone new very soon?  Why not use some profit and return depositor funds?  why keep paying them 1% each week?

1695  Other / Meta / Re: "Long-term offers" - gonna have to tackle this 1 eventually on: September 03, 2012, 06:04:42 AM
I agree with Micon. I'm embarrassed by 'Long Term Offers' and scared by 'Securities'.


Theymos did you read this?

Does the lead bitcoin programmer's opinion not hold weight here? 

Gavin is embarrassed by 'Long Term Offers' - as he should be.  Look at what you did Theymos --> http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/27/3271637/bitcoin-savings-trust-pyramid-scheme-shuts-down  here is another story about how bitcoins are the scam-currency of the now.   

I want to one day read an article that is titled "Micro-lending in Africa succeeds with Bitcoin"  - but if we are ever to see that article written the "Lending" forum can't sticky unregistered securities that derive their value from a Scammer named Trendon from Texas, just because the head moderator has a BTC interest in it.

This shit is bigger than making a few quick coins from a known scammer.  The leaders of this forum must be better than that...

1696  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Starfish BCB - Loans and Deposits on: September 03, 2012, 05:37:57 AM
I thought it would be useful to seek some clarification about what it would take for Starfish to achieve the mythical Micon seal of approval.  What that turned out to be was essentially revealing the details of every piece of business that I transact in bitcoinland. 

Nothing Mythical about it.  Anyone offering to borrow more money at 1% per week after having already borrowed ~$200k USD and with a positive balance sheet appears to be a scam.  I am willing to debate this with you.  Please answer me the following question about your balance sheet:

Quote from: PatrickHarnett
July 2012 activity (updated 1 August 2012)
 - 14 loans repaid  (approx 7800BTC)
 - 32 loans current (approx 8800 BTC)
 - 66 deposits (total approx 15400)
 - deposits repaid during the month (at call) >3600

Total liabilities (Deposits + other commitments) = 19,700
Total assets (cash, BTC, investments) = 37,100
Net assets 17,400BTC

this seems to me that you claim to owe 19,700 BTC to current depositors.  
you claim to have 37,100 BTC between cash / BTC / investments

Q:  Why would you ever need to borrow another satoshi at 1% if you have 17,400 BTC profit ?


Hmmm...On the one hand we have Micon's unqualified opinions and on the other - a starfish with a masters degree in commerce. It's down to the wire but I think the starfish has the tiniest edge re. credibility.

1) I'm a college drop out, I have no degrees of any sort.

2) I expect this question to be dodged over and over, so I'm going to keep posting it and "Starfish" is going to keep not responding:

Quote from: PatrickHarnett
July 2012 activity (updated 1 August 2012)
 - 14 loans repaid  (approx 7800BTC)
 - 32 loans current (approx 8800 BTC)
 - 66 deposits (total approx 15400)
 - deposits repaid during the month (at call) >3600

Total liabilities (Deposits + other commitments) = 19,700
Total assets (cash, BTC, investments) = 37,100
Net assets 17,400BTC

Do you claim to have 17,400 BTC in profit?   

Total liabilities (Deposits + other commitments) = 19,700  <---- this is the total number of deposits you have on hand from your "investors" ?
1697  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ on: September 03, 2012, 01:48:50 AM

you tweeted on Jun 29th that you were going to speak in a Panel of Experts.  Did you ever do that?

Quote from: @VEscudero
Victor Escudero ‏@VEscudero
I'm gonna be one of the speakers in the next Panel of Experts organized by itSMF #itsmfes: Role of the Service Manager. http://bit.ly/LFR6li

Yeah, please read the post I wrote at the end of July in the post of this same thread.
Please take a look and search for 'Víctor Escudero' in the page of the event.


odd... you don't appear in any of the pictures from this speaking engagement:

http://itsmf.es/index.php?option=com_phocagallery&view=category&id=71:curso-de-verano-2012&Itemid=439
1698  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Bryan Micon's List of Non-BCST Ponzi's Still Running (with credit rating) on: September 03, 2012, 01:25:02 AM

imho, bitcoin is perfectly suited for Ponzi/HYIP schemes. Not only can you sell the fact that bitcoin speculation can potentially pay off, but you can easily automate the scheme and run it even more anonymously than perfect money and liberty reserve. I'm surprised there isn't a massive bitcoin HYIP forum, and only a handful here. The only difference between the programs here and those other forums is the HYIP admin's didn't have to invest $50,000+ in advertising and listing fees to start their ponzi.

HYIP investment is just another form of gambling. Just like poker you believe you have the skills to game the system and beat everybody else who ends up losing.

1) The mods here gave (still give) stickies to Ponzi lists and before Pirate imploded the Lending forum had PPT stickies - best advertising you can get, and free?

2) I understand there exists "sharp" HYIP players - i.e. getting your principle out before the boom after making some interest - it does appear you could make money doing this.  I would personally never attempt this.  You are making a scammer huge money while profitting extremely small yourself.  Unlike poker, the losers are completely duped - they thought they were "investing."  Also the duped masses must come in teaming numbers for the scammer to make big $ and the +EV HYIP player to profit small.
1699  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: ★ VESCUDERO's Risk-free Weekly Term deposits at 1.5% ★ on: September 03, 2012, 01:13:02 AM
Before making such an accusation of scam, please Micon do your homework first.

Regarding the size of my deposit, I think you should do the math again as 2586 BTC is not the same as 25K BTC and not even close to 100K BTC. Please read the OP,  the posts in this thread and the PM I sent you on July 27th before spamming this thread again.

I have provided evidence of my true identity before (remember I'm a CAcert assurer that usually signs digital certificates for other people too).

Provide evidence against me or my deposit or forever hold your peace.

I can easily prove you are running a scam and your identity if fraudulent:

1)  you have ~2500 BTC on deposit you have borrowed this at 1.5% per week - or about 140 BTC per month in interest owed.  Simply, do you make more or less than 140 BTC per month?

2) https://www.facebook.com/vescudero  is this your personal Facebook account?
1700  Economy / Gambling / Re: SealsWithClubs.eu - 10BTC BitInstant Freeroll on: September 02, 2012, 11:41:37 PM
The Sunday game got 33 players this week, slightly down from last week.

We've got a new guarantee tournament that I hope will give some info about the demand for tournaments at various times.

"The Drifter" will run every 25 hours starting tonight at 11pm ET. Being as there are 24 hours in a day this tournament will fall one hour later every day. It has a 4000 chip (4BTC) guaranteed prize pool and costs 250 chips to enter.

If you want permanent tourneys at a convenient time for you make sure to play at that time to let us know (and bring your same schedule friends).

This is a super-cool idea.  Would be a fun one to add to the leaderboard competition next month - everyone will have an almost equal shot all month regardless of their schedule

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