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2001  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Your NBA Champion this season? on: April 24, 2022, 03:08:59 PM

I wouldn't say that Boston Celtics was just lucky on that 1st game because they are really competent against the Nets, and they also have improved throughout the season and I'm just amazed that they managed to make the Nets struggle and they're surely a threat on Brooklyn. Well, they better prepare for the 2nd game because the Nets will be coming to take their revenge.

I see your point and I agree, Boston improved a lot. They did not give it up. Even Brooklyn made that huge rally was and able to take the lead in the

last dying seconds of the game, but in that particular last play, we have seen maturity with the Celtics. They did not force the shot instead, they

wait and find that slight opening and then the rest was history. It might be another interesting game to come up with, like what you have said, Nets

will take their revenge and will try everything to tie the series.

As of today, the standing is 3-0 in favor of the Celtics. I wasn't prepared to see that it would go like this and I admit that the Celtics is really dominating the Nets every round and not allowing the duo to have their time to shine. Credits to Marcus Smart and Jayson Tatum for guarding Irving and KD respectively, the Brooklyn's duo didn't get 20 points above despite getting the most time in the court but Tatum on the other side managed to pour 39 points.

This will be a challenge to the Brooklyn Nets if they can recover this huge deficit, as far as history tells, there's no team that have recovered from that huge deficit.
2002  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [BOXING]: RYAN GARCIA vs EMMANUEL TAGOE - April 9 on: April 24, 2022, 02:42:17 PM
Well, the truth is that I don't know why this fight has caused such a stir in the world of oxeo, however what we need to remember is that Garcia won, that if Tagoe did or didn't, that he almost won that he almost didn't win, the one who won was Garcia and that is something that must be respected, no matter how much discussion or debate there is, those are the results, many lost because I know that Tagoe promised for this fight, sometimes I even thought he was going to win, but Garcia prevailed.

That's how boxing is, sometimes whoever has the best technical foundation wins, whoever hits the best or whoever does the knockout, for now you have to accept the results, this is what it is.

People tend to forget that this fight is for Garcia and for Garcia only, it ain't about Tagoe having a chance to beat up the young boxer because in the first place, Garcia's camp and Oscar Dela Hoya have picked Tagoe for a reason because they knew that Garcia is in need of a win after his lay-off and of course after the Garcia-Campbell fight. Now that Garcia have won, the camp has made a correct decision for that.

Some people didn't forget about that fact because just like me, it was just we just hoped too much for Garcia that we could see some KO or impressive fight from him as he's already confident enough to fight again on his recent interviews and for that we expected something like the way he used to fight in the past years. Unfortunately, we didn't get what we expected but yes, a win is a win.
I agree but let us still give credits to Ryan Garcia for winning versus Emmanuel Tagoe even if it is by decision, he gave his best to give the people they want and tried to KO Tagoe but it did not happen and he also admitted that he is not also satisfied on his performance.

That is already good enough for me because he is humble enough to admit it, now he will be more determined to get back in his rhythm.
2003  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing]: Canelo Alvarez vs Dmitry Bivol - May 7 on: April 20, 2022, 02:32:35 PM
Canelo is good, based on what I've seen of his highlights on YouTube and how well he beats his opponents. In terms of record, experience, and talents, Canelo has every advantage he needs to defeat Bivol. Since Bivol is undefeated, this could be a thrilling fight. Let's see who wins between these two boxers. Wink
Canelo Alvarez is indeed the favorite to win the duel, because of his extraordinary experience, talent and technique in every fight he plays, as a boxer who is currently the current super middleweight champion and is also ranked No 1 in pound-for-pound of course he deserves to be favourite, but I don't think Bivol is an easy opponent for canelo alvares in the ring, because from the moment I watched the bivol fight in the ring he is absolutely stunning in my opinion, his footwork and speed in hitting which is quite accurate sometimes makes his opponent often overwhelmed in the face of Bivol.

And also we may see Canelo Alvarez struggle towards Bivol's movement because he is surely not an easy opponent to deal with as he cannot be a champion in this division if he's not that talented enough but that same struggle will turn into an advantage once Canelo starts to catch up how Bivol moves because that's how Canelo fights, he keeps on calculating his opponents movements before he starts making his gameplan.
2004  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Inoue vs Donaire II discussion on: April 20, 2022, 01:59:24 PM
The odds doesn't change that much, Donaire is still 4:1 underdog.
I think for underdog bettors this is really a good odds assuming that Donaire can still fight and has the power and the timing to counter Inoue when he is going inside just like in the first fight. Donaire though will need to have a lot of stamina against the young Inoue to be able to sustain his attack the whole 12 rounds because this is what I'm seeing in this fight. Back and forth war throughout 12.

The only chances i can see for Donaire to get the win is to either control the early rounds or knock Inoue down even once and then calm down and just defend on the late rounds. I mean Donaire's style of play tends to be aggressive on the early round and then gas out on the later round, causing his punches became weak.
Inoue is known to have a destructive punches, if Donaire gas out on the later round he'll most probably gonna make that as an advantage.

That's a good analyzation you got there mate! Yes, I believe that Donaire will try to go aggressive in the early rounds and try to take down Inoue as fast as he can before his gas runs out because throwing strong consecutive punches can really take a huge gas in Donaire's tank so it's best to make that punches count and that could really hurt Inoue as that's his only choice because if he cannot make it until the 6th to 8th round then I'm afraid Inoue will take over the fight.
2005  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [BOXING] George Kambosos vs Devin Haney - Undisputed Lightweight Title - June 5 on: April 20, 2022, 01:31:25 PM
If Kambasos has the power to KO Haney, he can.

Based on his record, he is only a 50% KO puncher, with 10 KO's only from 20 wins, while Haney has a 55.5% KO rate.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/646781

Kambasos may hurt Haney but could not KO him for sure.

In that case we gonna expect the fight to last long or to reach up to the officials decisions and it would be nice if one of them will dominate the others and somehow a way find to beat his opponent by knockout because that would be best thing to conclude the match and to win the fight.

There's a very high chance that this fight will go for 12 rounds rather than seeing a KO, I'm not saying that there's no chance for both boxers to have a KO win but both of them have almost the same record and capabilities. A 5.5% difference in KO history is not that much but as I said, a chance is a chance but it's really slim, IMO. We might see a consecutive exchanging of blows because both of them have a point to prove.
2006  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2022 NBA Season on: April 19, 2022, 03:42:13 PM
I mean the Nets are good and all but they are the 7 seed.  If Boston advances they will likely meet up against the Bucks.  Then they will have to go through likely the heat or the 4/5 spot.  Tough road in the East but yeah the cets are legit (hate saying that as a knick fan but they are).

They ended up on the 7th seed because of the series of injuries on their key stars and Kyrie's pride because of his views about the vaccine. If only they didn't go through that, they might possibly end up clinching the Eastern Conference. But that doesn't matter now as more importantly, they enter the playoffs.

I like that Boston Celtics takes Game 1 as it opened up the possibility that they can deal with the healthy Brooklyn Nets. Although their Game 1 ended up in a close game, a win is a win no matter what. Hope that their series will end at Game 7 and most games will be intense. Smiley

Their series matchup is like watching already an ECF, well at least for me.

Yes, that's why James Harden forced himself to get out from the team because they are supposed to be a big three but it ended up as a big disaster because Harden was left out to carry the burden after Durant was injured and then they have Kyrie who only play road games because of his beliefs or whatsoever that kept him from getting vaccinated.

However, I would agree that those things already belonged in the past and the important thing now is that they managed to get in the playoff season. I believe Celtics will always give them a hard time and that's good because they need to prove themselves more if they are really worth it to claim the championship this season as they are one of the favorites to win.

Anyways, Ben Simmons is looking forward to play next week and the Nets have already started to get him included in their practice so that he won't be that rusty as his last game was almost a year already.

NBA Rumors: Ben Simmons Could Make His Nets Debut 'Within The Next Week'
2007  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Your NBA Champion this season? on: April 19, 2022, 03:11:37 PM

In the Nets-Celtics game, I was convinced the Nets would beat Boston, but that didn't happen... by the way, Kyrie Irving had a phenomenal performance in that game.

Yeah he had, because he made 39 points from 12/20 shooting or 60% shooting percentage against the Celtics, you can clearly see that no defense can stop him, unfortunately, he was also the reason why they lose because he did not guard Tatum very well who did the game-winning shot.
One of Irving's main qualities is his performance in the playoffs games... in most games he always helped the team when requested, even when he was playing for the Cavaliers he already had this characteristic!!

Aside from the fact that Irving's presence is good for the team because he's quite experienced on the playing the playoffs, his skillset is very hard to deny and that he is indeed really hard to guard. Better pray that he let down his guard or he's having a bad night because if not, he will always going to make that big points for the team.
No doubt about that, he has that skill set that can attack you on any sides of the ring, plus a kind of mindset to keep aiming for the win.

It's just a good team play from that last Boston attack that leads them to the win. There's nothing that we can ask for these two competitive teams.

If the same quality game happened this coming game 2, it would be a very interesting long series to expect. Both teams have their own rallies that

can convert a good win. Let wait for the next game and hope to see another enjoyable competition.
I wouldn't say that Boston Celtics was just lucky on that 1st game because they are really competent against the Nets, and they also have improved throughout the season and I'm just amazed that they managed to make the Nets struggle and they're surely a threat on Brooklyn. Well, they better prepare for the 2nd game because the Nets will be coming to take their revenge.
2008  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Inoue vs Donaire II discussion on: April 19, 2022, 02:27:19 PM
I admit that Naoya Inoue has more chances to win the fight but even how small the chance of Donaire winning this rematch is, a chance is still a chance. There's always an upset and that is possible. I also have some reasons to believe why Donaire can win the fight.
He is the All time favorite considering that he Beats Nonito In their first bout but thistime? it will change .

This is my personal take. During Donaire's first fight with Naoya, he had more chances of winning. That was an opportunity which was more reachable than their rematch in the coming months. In fact, Donaire showed to the world that Naoya is not the monster that everybody is afraid of. He even almost knocked him down if I can still remember it right. But I guess from their first match and their second one, Donaire must be growing a little slower and weaker.

His win would be an upset because he is the underdog at 4.20. If you are a Donaire fan, betting on moneyline is a good bet.
exactly what I'm trying to say above , Because we can see that int he past bout , Donaire did made it close to Naoya meaning with Small improvement and dedication he can beat this Japanese boxer so with all his power and ability to become this next fight?
i know he we change the route and will finally take the next step and will push this rivalry into a decision making 3rd fight .
Do you think Inoue will not think of an improvement?

Of course, Inoue will certainly adjust and will try to improve because he got hurt during the first fight, and what is important is that he still wins the fight. This is going to be an epic battle but I'm not gonna lie, I still think Donaire would lose.

Yes, certainly Inoue will also change his tactics as he is also aware that Donaire's punches can really pin him down if by chance he will got caught by it. Both of them have the power to take each other down in just a few rounds but these two choose to be smarter than that because their chances will somehow decline if they will just go for a toe-to-toe and wait who will go down first.

I won't disagree or agree about your comment if Inoue will still be the winner this time because we both know that it was just a UD and not a KO, also their capabilities is not that far and it's still not yet concluded.
2009  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [BOXING] George Kambosos vs Devin Haney - Undisputed Lightweight Title - June 5 on: April 19, 2022, 01:51:21 PM


The whole industry and people around the world that is into boxing knows about that issue and that Manny Pacquiao was robbed on that fight against Horn, they couldn't just honestly forget that time and now that there's another big boxing fight that is going to take place in Australia, I bet lots and lots will want to watch that fight.

For that matter, I don't really think that they are planning again to rig the fight because they know that they are so hot right now and for me it is much better to stay that way so that they won't do such unfair things again. Both boxers is good and they should just trust their own boxer and support him instead of making their boxer embarrass.

Yes, social media will mock their fighter if he will win with questionable decisions. Instead of gaining the hypes, he might gain a lot of critics and knowing how social media can fun up with you. It will be better to win in a right way and nothing else. Maybe fans should give them that fair chance to prove their greatness. Even in the past there're issues regarding to that kind of act rigging the result.

We never know what will be the outcome or who will win the fight. It will be great to see a KO to have a clean win.

I bet they will if indeed their boxer (Kambosos) will win a questionable decision even if it's quite clear that Haney is the one supposed to win, but if he can knockout Haney then I think there's no issue about that at all or who can end the fight without getting the scores into the judge's hands. Nevertheless, I'm expecting that this would be a good fair fight and yes it would be really nice to some a KO.
2010  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Your NBA Champion this season? on: April 18, 2022, 03:23:50 PM

In the Nets-Celtics game, I was convinced the Nets would beat Boston, but that didn't happen... by the way, Kyrie Irving had a phenomenal performance in that game.

Yeah he had, because he made 39 points from 12/20 shooting or 60% shooting percentage against the Celtics, you can clearly see that no defense can stop him, unfortunately, he was also the reason why they lose because he did not guard Tatum very well who did the game-winning shot.
One of Irving's main qualities is his performance in the playoffs games... in most games he always helped the team when requested, even when he was playing for the Cavaliers he already had this characteristic!!

Aside from the fact that Irving's presence is good for the team because he's quite experienced on the playing the playoffs, his skillset is very hard to deny and that he is indeed really hard to guard. Better pray that he let down his guard or he's having a bad night because if not, he will always going to make that big points for the team.
2011  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Errol Spence Jr vs. Yordenis Ugas 3-Belt Welterweight Unification Match on: April 18, 2022, 12:36:49 PM
Spence said that "we all know who I am coming next and it's what the people want" and then he mentioned that he is coming for Crawford. We will see some update soon regarding about their fight.

He should keep his words Crawford also wanted him badly, these two should have fought last year, there are so many accusations and excuses in both camps, Crawford makes it appear that Spence doesn't want to fight him and so is Spence if this year if there is no final contract signing, then these two boxers really don't want to settle things in the ring and they are all just talks.
Spence have his own excuse because last year he was preparing and supposed to fight Manny Pacquaio but an unexpected injury happen in the middle of his training, he got an eye injury (I forgot what was the specific term) that's why he needed some long rest after that as his doctors warns him that he could lose his eye if he pursue the fight again.

The important thing is that this time the Spence vs Crawford fight is slowly turning into reality as both of them have already spoke about it, well hopefully this time around it will happen with no issues and excuses about this and that.
2012  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Inoue vs Donaire II discussion on: April 18, 2022, 11:29:05 AM
I admit that Naoya Inoue has more chances to win the fight but even how small the chance of Donaire winning this rematch is, a chance is still a chance. There's always an upset and that is possible. I also have some reasons to believe why Donaire can win the fight.
He is the All time favorite considering that he Beats Nonito In their first bout but thistime? it will change .

This is my personal take. During Donaire's first fight with Naoya, he had more chances of winning. That was an opportunity which was more reachable than their rematch in the coming months. In fact, Donaire showed to the world that Naoya is not the monster that everybody is afraid of. He even almost knocked him down if I can still remember it right. But I guess from their first match and their second one, Donaire must be growing a little slower and weaker.

Donaire's career is not over yet and I firmly believe on his skill set that he still have what it takes to defeat Naoya Inoue, not because I'm his fan but because I'm keeping track of his fights since he was defeated by Inoue by a unanimous decision. I would agree that he doesn't stand a chance or somehow his chance is lesser now if Donaire have been lost on his fights after that defeat against Inoue but no, he still managed to knockout two decent boxer in just 1 year who also have a clean record.
2013  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [BOXING] George Kambosos vs Devin Haney - Undisputed Lightweight Title - June 5 on: April 18, 2022, 11:07:06 AM


But in any case, a Haney victory will put in as the undisputed, but he has to deal with the more technical fighter in Loma to be call the best of this division. Even though he is the favorite, I think Kambosos has a good chance to win this fight.

It's a technical fighter against a technical fighter, it's a bad idea for Haney to go for a decision he must stop Kambosos he is in the hostile territory we all know how bad Australian officiating is, if he wins by decision it should be total domination Haney should not underestimate the hometown decision, this is a hard task for Haney but let's see if judges will be fair this time after what happened to Pacquiao there.

Haney's father knows that, and so it's a big task ahead of them. But seeing the odds and they are the favorite? obviously, something is going to come up, maybe Haney's technical skills will be hard for Kambosos style. I'm not seeing a Haney knock out victory, it will be on a decision, but then again, can the judge be fair against the American in their home soil?

Seeing Haney as the favorite in the betting lines is a no-brainer, he was the better fighter IMO and he is an American so he has a lot of fans that would bet on him in the fight. I like the fact that this fight will be held at Kambosos country, this should make Haney work harder in order to achieve a very convincing win.

The Pacquiao - horn still haunts the boxing community glad that Crawford end his reign and put Horn in the right place he doesn't belong in the elite but this fight is very different Kambosos deserves his title I hope the boxing organizations and Australia's boxing organizations will correct what happens in the Pacquiao - Horn fight and let the deserves fighter to win the match if ever the match go the distance, whether its Kambosos or Haney the world deserves a real winner in this fight.

The whole industry and people around the world that is into boxing knows about that issue and that Manny Pacquiao was robbed on that fight against Horn, they couldn't just honestly forget that time and now that there's another big boxing fight that is going to take place in Australia, I bet lots and lots will want to watch that fight.

For that matter, I don't really think that they are planning again to rig the fight because they know that they are so hot right now and for me it is much better to stay that way so that they won't do such unfair things again. Both boxers is good and they should just trust their own boxer and support him instead of making their boxer embarrass.
2014  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Errol Spence Jr vs. Yordenis Ugas 3-Belt Welterweight Unification Match on: April 17, 2022, 02:30:48 PM
One thing is for sure, Spence is not Pacquiao and he is more aggressive and more power puncher than him. Ugas might think that he beat the old Pacquiao, he can beat everyone in their division right now and he might get surprised when he takes some punches prom Spence. Can't wait for this fight to happen and to see how Spence can quickly counter that long reach of Ugas which he used to beat Pacquiao. It's hard to predict that it would be a knockout but anything can happen inside the ring and still I bet for Spence to win this one.

Congratulations to Errol Spence what he have shown inside the ring a while ago is definitely a great fight that was worth to watch for. And indeed, Spence is far different to Pacquiao and he shows us a solid performance that leads to his victory via knock out against Ugas. I mean for me there's no point of comparing the two fighter between Spence and Pacquiao both are good fighter in their respective timeline. Now, I am very sure that this is a great milestone to Spence career, however, I must think that Spence vs. Crawford is kind of an anticipated fight if given a chance.

I hope this time there will be no throwing of accusations on both fighters that they are avoiding each other, the boxing community is anticipating this fight and this is one fight that will establish their legacy and a spot in the hall of boxing greats they should not make any more excuses, they should worked on the purse, they will regret it if they failed to make a deal, this is one fight that will define their career.

They should fight in the ring, not through words only.

Spence now have 3 titles already versus 1 title of Crawford, so it's just right that he will demand a bigger share on the purse.

Spence : https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/629465
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titles held   World Boxing Association Super World Welter Title
World Boxing Council World Welter Title
International Boxing Federation World Welter Title

Crawford  : https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/447121
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World Boxing Organisation World Welter Title
2015  Economy / Gambling / Re: Online casino. What's the reliability of the technology? on: April 17, 2022, 01:25:03 PM
To what extent is the online  slot game machine RTP reliable based on it's technology?

As words in the street has it that it has gained so much popularity than other casino games due to it's simplicity nature.

Let's discuss, what's your view.

That's right, it's very simple to gamble, but what made it really popular is people now can gamble anonymously as we are in the crypto space. Although I must say that some gambling sites are already strict now when it comes to KYC requirements but everything starts with anonymous gambling.

We have lots of games in online casino, that also make people get more entice to play as due to non strict rules, they can just play it comfortable, and that separates them from fiat casinos.
2016  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Inoue vs Donaire II discussion on: April 17, 2022, 12:49:43 PM
Of course, both of them will make an adjustment as not only Donaire sees that something has to be improved but Inoue as well. Inoue will prevent himself to get injured again, and he has to be careful and at the same time use a strategy that is effective to dominate Donaire.

Their last faced off also helps them as fighter to figure out what are their shortcomings during that fight or what else they can improve in themselves to keep on winning the battle. I believe Donaire has still the strength to fight Inoue despite his age gap but I will not going to set aside the possibility that Inoue will still dominate this battle and if that is the case then Donaire should definitely prepare for their second battle of Inoue. I am so excited to watch their rematch and see who's still the winner between the two great fighter.

Donaire would want that, probably his camp asks for this rematch so he could have another chance to avenge his loss and be a unified champion. Though it isn't easy for him to win, considering how he beat his previous opponent, that should give him better odds compared to the first fight.
2017  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [BOXING] George Kambosos vs Devin Haney - Undisputed Lightweight Title - June 5 on: April 17, 2022, 11:50:29 AM


But in any case, a Haney victory will put in as the undisputed, but he has to deal with the more technical fighter in Loma to be call the best of this division. Even though he is the favorite, I think Kambosos has a good chance to win this fight.

It's a technical fighter against a technical fighter, it's a bad idea for Haney to go for a decision he must stop Kambosos he is in the hostile territory we all know how bad Australian officiating is, if he wins by decision it should be total domination Haney should not underestimate the hometown decision, this is a hard task for Haney but let's see if judges will be fair this time after what happened to Pacquiao there.

Haney's father knows that, and so it's a big task ahead of them. But seeing the odds and they are the favorite? obviously, something is going to come up, maybe Haney's technical skills will be hard for Kambosos style. I'm not seeing a Haney knock out victory, it will be on a decision, but then again, can the judge be fair against the American in their home soil?

Seeing Haney as the favorite in the betting lines is a no-brainer, he was the better fighter IMO and he is an American so he has a lot of fans that would bet on him in the fight. I like the fact that this fight will be held at Kambosos country, this should make Haney work harder in order to achieve a very convincing win.
2018  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2022 NBA Season on: April 17, 2022, 10:59:48 AM
What happened to Nuggets ? it seems they cannot keep the pace with GSW and most likely they GSW will win in a series of 5.

They are on the road against a good team, although Nuggets is good as well, but the GSW has a complete lineup, with Curry (back in action), Klay and then the other splash brothers, Jordan Poole. And GSW played defense on Jokic, Green played him very well and making it hard for him to score under the basket. Just a bad game for the Nuggets, but for sure they will adjust on the next game.

There's no way the Nuggets will win a game against the Warriors, too much talent for the Warriors that the Nuggets could not defend. 4 shooters on the floor, my gosh, how can they contend that? Now is the only playoffs that they cannot double Curry because Poole and Thompson will be open, and look how they tire the Joker.
2019  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2020 Philippine Basketball Association betting discussion on: April 17, 2022, 10:27:07 AM
Nice odds but in this game ill put my bet on ginbera cause if they will used japeth aguilar in this game for sure they get the win cause the strategy of meralco bolts will be loss. And if they are used a physical contact meralco will be aggressive and ginebra will suffer in terms of adjusting the physical game but if they are already adjusted  for sure they have a chance to win

Ginebra may have more options to score if Japeth will play longer in the next game but it isn't assurance that they will win the game.  Japeth might not play 100% because of he is still recovering from his recent injury.

Japeth Aguilar is not 100 percent healthy but even though he will be playing limited minutes, that would be a big help for Ginebra because that would mean rest for CStand if the latter is inside the court. In this kind of them, the team that has an edge in defense would likely win the crown and that is what Japeth brings to the team.

Ginebra -1.5 @1.87, the spread is getting thinner, might be a trap for the Ginebra fans but I'm on them for this game.

I don't like the spread to be honest, looks like Meralco will b the winner of tonight's game. I feel betting on the pre-game odds is not good, I'll still take Ginebra though but will wait to get at least 3.00 for ML. I have a feeling that Meralco will once again would have a good start.
2020  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Inoue vs Donaire II discussion on: April 16, 2022, 10:56:36 AM

From their last match, it's not only Donaire that got that sense of being stronger this time but it's also Inoue as well.

Of course, both of them will make an adjustment as not only Donaire sees that something has to be improved but Inoue as well. Inoue will prevent himself to get injured again, and he has to be careful and at the same time use a strategy that is effective to dominate Donaire.
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