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1081  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How do you stay updated on: July 06, 2023, 05:44:10 PM

I completely agree with you my friend, indeed, you hit the nail in the head, in this time and age, it is no longer feasible to depend on google


I still rely on Google for my sports news and in fact they have accurate news and from Google you get wide range of information and education because they also direct you to some of the social media handles of the research you are making like the team's official handles or other veritable sources that you can access information. When visiting online news agency, I think it is wise to focus on the news letter itself and forget other ads that comes up, some people get carried away and probably try to sign-up to certain links of team's for news but that is dangerous to sign up to pages you are not really sure of. This is why I prefer Google to blogs.

Google is definitely the number one go-to for most people, I think...

Social media is a close second, and to be honest, probably a faster way to get the most current news before anyone else. You just have to know the right accounts to follow and be very active.

Big news sites are the third option but it usually takes them hours or sometimes even days to catch on and report the news, so they are not too valuable as a data resource.

Blogs are completely worthless since they only copy the news word for word from the news sites anyway. Google is and always was #1. I just wish they took their users privacy more seriously. Roll Eyes
1082  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A portion of my clothing store's weekly profit is invested in Bitcoin on: July 06, 2023, 12:41:56 PM
I have a small cloth shop. Currently everything in my own country is very expensive, so we are facing many problems in our life. The shop I have used to sell well. But now due to the increase in price, there are not as many customers or sales as before. Again. On top of that I have to pay rent for the shop which has become a bit difficult for me. After entering this platform I got to know Bitcoin. Then after browsing many places I realized that I can earn money by investing in Bitcoin. So I want to invest in Bitcoin. So I have my weekly I decided to invest in bitcoin from a profit share. I think I made the right decision. I hope that I can use my bitcoin profit for other purposes. Hope you guys can help me with good advice.

Congrats on your wise investment! I think that Bitcoin is always a smart choice, especially considering how many times fiat money has failed us in the past and keeps failing us to this day.

However you should keep in mind that Bitcoin is not a "get rich quick scheme" and you will probably not see amazing profits from your investment in the short term. You should hodl your coins for at least a few years at minimum. You should understand that an investment in Bitcoin is a profitable investment only in the long term. If you have bills to pay, especially in order to keep your shop open, then you should definitely consider keeping a large portion of your profits aside to do that. Otherwise you might have to sell your Bitcoin at a loss in order to pay your bills.
1083  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How is your Gambling Pattern Like? on: July 06, 2023, 11:52:45 AM
I don't have a gambling addiction, but I acknowledge that there are issues with my gambling habits that need to be addressed and corrected. One of the effective ways to tackle this is by observing, imitating, or modifying the patterns of other gamblers to suit me best. I'm curious about your own gambling lifestyle. Do you set aside specific times each day or week for gambling? If you enjoy sports betting, do you bet on games throughout the week whenever they're available? When it comes to visiting casinos, do you play at one today or this week and then try out a different one the next time you want to gamble? As for bankroll management, do you track it using an app, Excel, or any other methods? And regarding your environment, do you prefer playing at an online casino while listening to music in the background, or do you prefer a quiet atmosphere? I may have missed other aspects, but these questions should suffice for now. I look forward to reading your thoughts and comments.


In fact, I do use excel to track my betting funds, wins and losses. I also use it to keep track of my own rules and maximum weekly betting amounts. I think that if everyone did it like this then there would be very few gambling addicts in the world, merely due to following a strict, disciplined regiment of orderly betting methods, guidelines and rules. The people who do not keep an oversight like this usually also do not keep track of their losses, thus making further losses inevitable.

I have my own daily betting limits, loss limits and even profit limits. I use no more than 10% of my available funds (money which I have left over at the end of each month after paying my bills and reserving some funds for the future and so on).

As far as music goes, I do prefer it to silence. Although the game music gets annoying after a while, so I listen to my own music.
1084  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Virtual bug? on: July 06, 2023, 10:40:51 AM
I work for a casino house a couple of years ago - I could make a serial reference since it's been said in most of my post here.
Alright,?? Cashiers were assigned to manage the activities and book on desired games for all validated customers, but i normally noticed something very displeasing - sometimes, I felt bad for any gambler that lost in that same way and It looked to me like a kinda "money heist" program.
Here is it; A gambler could bet on correct scores - mind you, this all happens only in Virtual games - let's say, 3-0 and, since the games are being displayed on screens for them to confirm Thier winnings, it could even happen that the game stops at the 82nd minute, maybe with a 2-0 score,but once it rules out and updates the scores on the score sheets,.what we all see is 2-5...
Now the question is, how can 5 goals from the away teams be scored in barely a time to blink?? Could that have supposed to mean something different? Maybe a bug? Or is it some sort of misprogramming?

Sandra 🧑‍🦰


Sounds like there might be an issue with the score updating system. Maybe it is a bug, maybe it is on purpose. It really depends on how trustworthy the mentioned casino is in the first place.

That being said, which casino exactly are we talking about? Is the casino registered and audited or is it just some makeshift casino which can be called suspicious?

Because it does not sound like a casino with a well managed program infrastructure. Especially since nobody who works there has addressed the problem, despite it being so glaringly obvious.

I personally would like to think its just a updating problem. Not an actual programming issue (whether by accident or not).
1085  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Quit gamble! Easy or Hard? Let's talk. on: July 05, 2023, 06:32:46 PM
Why would I quit something that I regularly enjoy but have no problems doing?

It would be quite easy for me to simply quit, since I am not addicted to gambling nor do I have any other hang ups when it comes to it. I understand that there are definitely a lot of people who do have addictions and therefore cannot simply stop their gambling habit, but that is a minority of people.

The better advice for normal gamblers without addictions would be to take careful measures in order to ensure that they do not develop a gambling addiction in the first place, don't you think?

And that is quite easy. All it requires is a bit of discipline and planning. Roll Eyes
1086  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will another ETF be immediately bullish for Bitcoin? on: July 05, 2023, 06:19:45 AM
I hope you are not making this into a case of correlation = causation but as history indicates, there is always a hype before or during the long-awaited event. Especially when it comes to ETFs. I cannot think of a reason why ETF launches (or similar product launches) would cause a rapid sell-off, other than to superficially push down the price.

I think, that in the long term, Bitcoin's value will go up thanks to the ETF. But in the short term, I think we will see a unjustified speculative price based on hype alone. So good news for any hodler but bad news for traders with shaky hands.

We just have to wait and see what happens. Only time will tell.

Isn't this same sort of correlation = causation you are making, but with added context? As you said, in the short-term there is unjustified price speculation to the upside, which is more than enough to lead to a sell-off as we have seen with CME launch, Bakkt as well as Pro-Shares. So there is effectively a causation for this correlation which is the price speculation to put it simply, instead of being completely random.


What I meant is that although there are signs pointing to an incoming ETF hype having a similar effect on the price of BTC as it did in the past, we cannot make predictions on the price action just yet, because there is not enough historical data to make a statistical prediction on this specific event. We have had only a precious few BTC ETF filings in the past so any perceived correlations may turn out to be nothing but coincidence.

But what we know to be true and tested many times is the fact that whenever there is a positive hype, there is overblown speculative price growth.


I'm not even talking about some short-term correction either. With CME launch it was the top of the 2017 bull market, with Bakkt is was part of a 50%+ correction, and Pro-Shares was the top of the 2021 bull market. If in each of these cases there was a minor correction or otherwise price consolidation then sure, it'd be more or less irrelevant, but as stated, I'm talking about 50%+ price corrections, admittedly after 100%+ increases.

A launch of a new ETF not dumping the price would effectively be the first time in Bitcoin's history that price hasn't dumped after a major "product" launch. This is kind of my point here. Sure you can say that the three examples I've given are completely random and unrelated to considerable price declines, but it seems like a distinct pattern so far that has yet to be broken as a concept.

As I said, unless a patterns keeps repeating a certain amount of times, at minimum, it should not be considered a correlative pattern just yet. In fact, this last ETF filing is very different (or so they say) to the past BTC ETF filings. That alone might give one the impression that the BTC price action will be unpredictable.

When in doubt, Hodl. Grin
1087  Economy / Economics / Re: Benefit from Higher Education? on: July 05, 2023, 06:05:37 AM
An academic degree shows that you have higher education through a number of testing processes and then graduate, but higher education does not guarantee you future success. People who really have competence after going through the education process will find it easier to get opportunities for work or entrepreneurship with the capital of using their competencies, while those who do not have competence only have a title in front of their name.

People who have competence find it easier to develop their business with brilliant ideas that are applied to business fields. Competence can not only be obtained through higher education, experience really helps someone to become an entrepreneur. Those who have experience have gone through the process through direct practice in the field, while those who study at the faculty only learn the theory.
Yes I agree with you, education does not guarantee someone to be successful. Education and learning are essentially in order to know the manners of correct behavior. not identified with the problem of success. Because children who are academically smart tend to be introverted while children who are considered uneducated tend to have broad associations, so they are smarter at lobbying and are not awkward in front of people. to get business and job opportunities by any means which I think is one of the factors of the opposite phenomenon. Because many successful people in this world have never studied but they are more successful in a business.

But it would be better if we have both, educated and experienced. Because theory is sometimes also important so that we are fast in business endeavors. Yanga, in essence, a successful person does not need a lot of theory, but is smart and good at looking for opportunities. He will "hire" smart and diligent people to add to his success.

Unfortunately, I would have to disagree with you. The more educated a person is, the more he knows and therefore the more successful he can make himself. Without knowledge, you cannot reach success unless you count being lucky the same as successful.

Furthermore, a degree is always looked favorably upon by employers, and therefore landing a job, especially a job that pays a handsome amount of money is much easier with a degree than without a degree. This also has an effect on the success of a person. Especially when a person is saving up money from their good job instead of living paycheck to paycheck and coming home tired and sweaty from their minimum pay labor work.

However, any person can become educated enough to become successful without a degree. Its just an easier path if you have a degree.
1088  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will another ETF be immediately bullish for Bitcoin? on: July 04, 2023, 05:50:27 PM
So I thought I'd try and gauge sentiment over how another Bitcoin ETF will affect price in the immediate term if approved, as well as offer my own personal opinion.

I understand it's considered bullish for Bitcoin long-term, but in the short-term, I'm not so convinced it will be good for price. As many of you may remember, when CME/CBOE launched futures trading for Bitcoin in December 2017 this was very much at the peak of the bull-run before a -83% correction in price. Then there was the Bakkt futures launch in September 2019 prior to a further price decline of -50%+. Finally there was the ProShares Bitcoin Strategy ETF that was (again) launched at the very peak of the bull market in November 2021 prior to a 75% price decline. Is anyone else noticing a pattern here???

I realise that previous futures launches are different than the current proposed ETFs, as far as I understand, but the facts remains the same. Each time a traditional form of investment product based on Bitcoin has been launched, price has corrected significantly, between 50% and 83% basically. What's as concerning is that price is currently at a resistance level which could now become a local peak...

Ideally any new product won't be launched until price reaches $40K to $50K levels at a minimum, so that a correction doesn't threaten recent lows. But otherwise I imagine it will be the same old story of "buy the rumour sell the news", with a potential long-term bullish effect on Bitcoin but only after a short-term negative effect that becomes the catalyst for a considerable correction in price.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong if there were Bitcoin Futures/ETF launches that didn't negatively effect price in the short-term, as based on my current knowledge, this has been the only outcome so far.

Let me know your thoughts in the comments. Do you really think another ETF launch would cause an immediate price increase, or is it more like to have an immediate negative effect on price?

I hope you are not making this into a case of correlation = causation but as history indicates, there is always a hype before or during the long-awaited event. Especially when it comes to ETFs. I cannot think of a reason why ETF launches (or similar product launches) would cause a rapid sell-off, other than to superficially push down the price.

I think, that in the long term, Bitcoin's value will go up thanks to the ETF. But in the short term, I think we will see a unjustified speculative price based on hype alone. So good news for any hodler but bad news for traders with shaky hands.

We just have to wait and see what happens. Only time will tell.

1089  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Lotteries and possibility vs. probability on: July 04, 2023, 03:57:14 PM
Of course you are paying for the “dream” or opportunity. Otherwise people would have to be crazy to play at all. I’ve always said that lotteries are taxes on people who are bad at math, but more honestly they’re for people who have no hope of getting rich through investment knowledge or by building companies, this is their long shot hope at a different life.

I think that playing the lottery in hopes of changing one's life is already crazy. Whether or not this kind of business model is opportunistic or provides people with a "ticket for hope", which may or may not provide that person with a kind of psychological relief service or something similar and therefore constitutes as a "paid service" can be debated. Personally, I think all of gambling is the same, regardless of the individual winning chances. The game's probability is always against the player, so technically, every gambler is paying for the "dream of opportunity".

Although I think saying there are people who have no hope for getting rich through investment and instead gamble is wrong. If they saved up the money instead of losing it, they could have made an amazing investment in some unicorn company like the coca-cola of the future. In fact, their chances of making such an amazing investment are probably higher than becoming rich by gambling.
1090  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Does lottery rewards expire? on: July 04, 2023, 03:37:25 PM
Yes, you read that accurately.

If I buy several lottery tickets and then leave my account dormant for a long time, say at least 6 months, and my ticket wins the jackpot during that time.
Will anything happen to my prize money? Will the casino refund my money because I never claimed any of the rewards?

It's just a thought I've had for a while and decided to ask here in the community.


In my own knowledge, they do eventually expire, however the timeline of expiration is set differently from lottery to lottery. This is why reading the terms and conditions as well as a thorough examination of the rules is definitely a must. Lotteries may be regulated but they have waay too much leeway when it comes to setting arbitrary timelines and designing their own lottery rule framework.

But I would not go as far as to call them unfair or scammers. Since they are operating under the regulations laws they are given by their government...

I still believe that there should be a law which states that lottery rewards must have a minimum expiration timeline of a year or two. Maybe even longer.
1091  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: People are giving too much importance to exchanges on: July 03, 2023, 09:46:51 PM
The reason why people are giving wayyy too much importance to exchanges is because people are lazy and do not want to claim responsibility for their own actions and especially, their own money. Not everyone is comfortable with the idea of "being their own bank" until something bad happens to convince them otherwise. And eventually it will happen, whether in the form of a bank unjustly freezing their accounts or the government plainly confiscating their money on whatever ground they deem fit.

Its frustrating because we have all the decentralized and unregulatable ways to buy Bitcoin or other cryptocurrency. But people cannot shake off the feeling that they need a third party to hold their money for them.
1092  Economy / Gambling / Re: Is Stake.com allowed to lock account with $6,000 untill I lose it all? on: July 03, 2023, 07:55:19 PM
Mate don't take this as an attack but just a friendly advise that before you place your first bet on a centralized casino,  you should first make sure to have pass through all the kyc process.

Unless you have not made up your mind to gamble at the casino if not,  KYC should be the first thing you should take care of because if you want to verify the account when it runs into trouble,  you may find it hard to pass through the verification process due to pressure to withdraw your winning.

^Exactly this Roll Eyes

Get your KYC done beforehand. Otherwise you might find yourself in a tangled web of unjustified bureaucratic nonsense. The reason being quite simple: Even though most people mistake a complicated KYC process with malice from the side of the casino owners, the truth is that a long KYC process is because you tripped a lot of red flags like using a VPN, using a bot or just because you broke a rule from the terms and conditions. People really underestimate the terms and conditions and would rather not read through them because they can be quite long. But that laziness always has a price in the end.



 
1093  Economy / Gambling / Re: Did BC Change the Algo??? on: July 03, 2023, 05:34:48 PM
Even if you are saying the truth about BC.game. It’s very hard to prove that by using only the statistics of the result since coin flip is pure random games. I’m not a player of BC.game but this is same scenario with slot games with close source code. It’s very hard to prove if the game is rigged and the only thing we are relying is just the reputation of the casino.

Can you provide proof for the change of algo?

I agree that it is very hard to prove that the casino is cheating its users but I do not think that you can push aside the proof of mathematical statistics like that. If anything, statistics, as long as you have very large sample sizes, would be a very good method to prove that the casino is indeed doing something unbecoming, like changing their algorithm in their own favor. But that sample size would have to be extremely large. So technically it would be possible, just extremely expensive to prove OP's theory. And since OP is going on a whim, based completely on his feeling that something is "off", I do not think its worthwhile to test his theory...

I sometimes get the feeling that I am being cheated, as well, when I am on a losing streak. But that is my own subjective view, based on my emotional state at the time.
1094  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Easy or hard to quit? on: July 02, 2023, 10:15:20 PM
Can you quit gambling if you make a life changing money and never go back to gambling?

I asked this because those who made some money through gambling near me always go back to gamble and they end up losing everything they once made through gambling.

Is it fine to say that people should not go back into gambling once they made high amount of money? Because the chance of losing that money again is very high, even if they don't use all the money to gamble at once, gambling can take it all back in time.

Have you ever won a high amount of money from gambling and managed to not lose them all back to gambling? And to date, you are still gambling?

Would I still be tempted to gamble, even though I made a life changing decision not to gamble, ever again? Even if that meant I had made enough money to last me 1000 lifetimes?

The answer to that question might be a bit irrational.

I think that even though we all here think we ultimately have full control over ourselves and our desires, the simple and unshakeable truth is: We are only human. And being human comes with a loss of control.

I like gambling and I do enjoy it, as many of you do. And having made it into an enjoyable hobby, I do not think I could resist the temptation and never gamble again. Because at some point, I would give in my urges.
1095  Economy / Gambling / Re: won cash x drop but no prize?? on: July 02, 2023, 07:46:32 PM
Won this a few weeks ago and haven't received anything. I tried to contact support from the casino I won it at but they don't reply. My VIP host said to contact the game provider but they too didn't reply, not even on twitter.

Anyone know how these contests work? Like shouldn't they just airdrop whatever into the wallet that played the game which won the prize? I shouldn't have to do anything right?

Kind of odd how they promote these competitions so much then when someone wins something they don't even get anything and no one is willing to help them...




I do not think that anyone here will be able to help you, especially because you have given us nothing to work with. No information about the online gambling casino, nothing about the contest and no proof or hints whatsoever.

If you did actually win the contest on a legitimate casino then there might be some misunderstanding. Perhaps the misunderstanding in this particular case is the date of when the winnings are paid out. Or perhaps you missed something else.

It seems strange to me that a casino would ignore your requests and pleas for assistance. That does not sound like something a legitimate casino would do.

Tell us more and we might be able to help you out...
1096  Economy / Gambling / Re: Loophole in stopping Money Laundering through Wagering on: June 30, 2023, 06:56:34 PM
As we know that most gambling sites will require you to gamble and wager your whole balance once, before you can cash out or withdraw from the gambling site and they take this measure so people do not do money laundering whereby deposit and withdraw without gambling.

Now the point here is that on the gambling site, there are many easy winning bets with odds like 1.01x etc. If the money lauder is sensible he can easily be wagering the whole amount by placing a few bets where the odds are very low and the winning chances are 99%.

So does this mean that there is a loophole here and the money launderers can easily by pass this wagering requirement?

I am not sure if I would call that a loophole. Every 100 times that a money launderer launders money this way, they lose all their money once. They could of course do it all in one go but ALL your money for a 1% chance of losing it? Still too high for me.

Now, about money laundering: Obviously the casino has records of losses and wins and they would give these documents to any law enforcement or government agency anyway. So that person would still have to explain the source of the deposits of his funds.

I think it would be easier for the casinos to get their 1% of the money launderer's money, so they keep quiet because its more profitable for them.
1097  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: U.k Approves Cryptocurrency As A Regulated financial Activity. on: June 30, 2023, 06:26:09 PM
It no longer news that the U.K has received an assent from King Charles, which approves #Crypto as a regulated financial activity in the country.
It a very great step in the right direction of economic growth and it is far from what the U.S is doing by making crypto seem like an unholy venture despite its user base being larger than that of the U.K.

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The FSMB will also lay the groundwork for the advancement of the blockchain sector in addition to establishing the following:

Enhances the scrutiny of the financial services regulators to ensure clear accountability, appropriate democratic input, and transparent oversight.
Removes unnecessary restrictions on wholesale markets – implementing the key outcomes of the Wholesale Markets Review.
Protects free access to cash in law and introduces crucial protections for victims of Authorised Push Payment scams.
Enables the regulation of crypto assets to support their safe adoption in the UK.
Establishes ‘sandboxes’ that can facilitate the use of new technologies, such as blockchain, in financial markets.

This is one assurance that crypto currency will soon become legal tender in more countries that look up to, or has been influenced by the U.k.
They will follow suit thus encouraging the adoption and use of cryptocurrency and its services.

What do you think?

https://www.fxstreet.com/cryptocurrencies/news/uk-passes-bill-to-recognize-crypto-as-regulated-financial-activity-boosts-adoption-in-europe- Smiley

worldwide adoption as legal tender is the ultimate and inevitable goal of Bitcoin. It will come sooner or later we just do not know exactly when it will start or if it has already started and what the next steps are going to look like.

Although with the latest news from the UK is definitely one of the bigger signs that something is happening or will happen soon. Look at all the financial institutions, getting ready and filling their bags with Bitcoin. It is no secret that once the SEC admits there is nothing in the way of using Bitcoin as legal tender, the world will basically change the fiat system for the Bitcoin one.

I am however concerned how the UK tends to make bad regulation decisions. Especially regarding crypto.
1098  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who Buys Bitcoin When The Price is 100k$? on: June 30, 2023, 06:18:07 PM
100k is still considered cheap by many Bitcoiners on this forum. Because they all see a future of Bitcoin being worth millions, and they have good reason to believe that. I also believe that Bitcoin will be worth a lot more than 100k USD someday.

You could have asked this question at any time in the past when Bitcoin prices were in the 4-digit or even lower, people would have said 30k Bitcoin? Impossible. Who would buy Bitcoin at 30k? But we had Bitcoin at higher than that. At 60k.

So its all a matter of how you value the potential of Bitcoin. I would have no problem buying Bitcoin at 100k. Although I would prefer buying it cheaper, while I can. Cool
1099  Economy / Reputation / Re: Bitcointalk own Casino complaint panel on: June 30, 2023, 05:16:48 PM
I recently read this topic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5458053.0 about Rollbit disabling the user account without further explanation. By the flow of this case, It's either the user will use 3rd party service to file complaint or the representative of the casino will directly answer all the complain on scam accusation thread. The problem arise when both party claimin they are right while they can't provide documents in public, Most of the time we recommend to move the case on Askgambler to have a mediator for the case.

What if we have our own group of trusted user that can act as mediator to look on the case. We have a lot of talented and respectable user here that capable on handling the situation while most the casino representative has a close contact on campaign manager here.

Do you think this is a good idea to solve cases like this? Take note only case that involved a valid evidence and argument will be considered. A tip is also required in case the complainant is willing to use the forum service.

99% of all gambling complaints are just users whining about getting caught gambling out of an illegal country or breaking the TOS and not getting their account back. I would wager that only very rarely does anyone here have an actual complaint which has reason and legitimacy. But even during those rare times, those should not be complaints but rather scam accusations. And we have a forum for scam accusations. So everything is quite adequate.

This is not a forum of lawyers who can give actual legal advice on who is right or wrong and what to do. And I think solving cases in the gambling world, which is filled with people in regret and shame and blind hate, will not be of any use. In fact it seems like a waste of time and resources.
1100  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: North Carolina is pushing forward a bill to study holding Bitcoin on: June 30, 2023, 12:13:34 AM
The state house of North Carolina just passed a bill to study the idea of the state holding Bitcoin (as well as Gold).

https://cointelegraph.com/news/north-carolina-house-passes-bill-to-study-bitcoin-hodling


If this bill gets passed, and North Carolina does indeed start holding Bitcoin, that will be the start of what I see as inevitable - states/nations eventually holding bitcoin in reserve just as nations hold large amounts of gold in reserve. Hopefully they become the first state in the US to do this and others follow their lead. El Salvador of course has led the way for the world, but its good to see a US state starting to think about holding Bitcoin. States and nations will eventually join the race to accumulate bitcoin along with 'retail investors', the wealthy, financial firms, banks, and corporations.

It might seem like a small step for them to take, to some people here, but I think this study will become a fundamental building block which will serve as an example and foundation in the future. Science is definitely not going to make a bad call on Bitcoin holding since history shows us only positive things. I have never heard of a bad holding experience. Only when people sell at a loss or when centralized crypto exchanges are concerned, does Bitcoin seem to have a negative look in the news and social media. But thats all superficial and has no effect on the value of Bitcoin, long term.
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