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1661  Economy / Speculation / Re: What happens next if Bitcoin drops to zero? on: January 27, 2023, 01:10:10 PM
Please don't let my question cause so much hate on me but rather let's also be realistic at times.
Though I haven't invested a reasonable sum in Bitcoin, I've at some point after watching how the market and price of Bitcoin fell from over $60k to less than $12k something similar to what altcoins do and it prompted some questions like
1. Will Bitcoin ever fall to zero someday?
2. What happens if it ever falls to zero?

It will be if this questions are answered without sentiment as I'm open to learn.

The way I see it, the only possibility of Bitcoin going to zero is if someone discovers something out of this world about some unfixable blockchain exploit which compromises everyone's wallets or breaks down the entire system of how blockchain works.

But lets be realistic. We might as well ask ourselves what happens if tomorrow aliens land on earth and exterminate the human race? Sure its a possibility but then again anything is just as possible as anything else to happen. The probability of something like that happening is infinitely close to zero so is the possibility even worth thinking about in the first place? I think not.

Blockchain has proven itself again and again. I see no reason to start panicking now.
1662  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Common Online Gambling Fraud on: January 27, 2023, 12:52:46 PM
Fraud is intentional deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain. Fraud and fraudulent activities can be found in every spheres of life. In the online casinos and betting there are common frauds that are perpetrated by criminals in the guise of gambling. They include:

  • 1. Bonus Abuse
    Bonus abuse is the practice of joining up for a service repeatedly using promotional offers that are typically only available to new members. There are various terms are used to describe it, such as bonus abuse, casino whoring, bonus hunting, and promo abuse. This practice, known as multi-accounting in the fraud world, frequently targets no-deposit bonuses like free spins or free money. It mostly affects poker, casino, and sports betting websites, but any business that leverages signup bonuses as a marketing strategy may be at risk.

    The problem is that fraudsters attempt to create as many new accounts as possible, relying on stolen IDs, resulting in synthetic identity fraud and prepaid credit card details to bypass the Know Your Customer (KYC) checks. More sophisticated criminals can also have the resources to use emulators, virtual machines, and even residential-like IPs, such as Socks5 proxies or mobile networks to leverage fresh IP addresses.
  • 2. Collusion
    The use of numerous accounts by one person or a group of individuals who work together to influence a particular outcome is known as collusion. The most popular target of collusion schemes is online poker. Players occasionally open new accounts to restart from scratch. A poker tournament's big pot may potentially be won through collusion. However, it can also happen in other card games such as Blackjack. Sometimes, players collude to commit bonus fraud.

    Players might even engage in self-collusion by creating many accounts and then use one account to win over another. For example, two players register and make a $500 deposit to receive a $50 signup bonus. They can lose to each other until they reach the rollover requirements. Upon meeting the conditions, both players can cash out, and each walks away $50 richer.
  • 3. Chip Dumping
    Chip dumping is the act of purposefully losing chips to another player at the table. It's something that thieves have been known to use in an effort to launder money they have acquired illegally. They believe that if they lose all of their money to a different poker account that they already own, that the original source of the funds might be lost. They hire individuals to gamble online and lose to a single person. Once that person cashes out, the money will appear as legally earned. It is a form of collusion
  • 4. Impersonation
    Impersonation is when a player acts on behalf of somebody in a nonconsensual manner. They do that using stolen accounts. Moreover, fraudsters would look for proxy servers using SOCKS5 VPN and RDPs. There, they can conduct impersonation and other fraudulent activities. Impersonation can also happen with consent, like in an affiliation scheme. An experienced player uses an account to play on behalf of a newbie. They will enjoy their perks and fraud online gambling sites for profit percentages.
  • 5. Credit Card Fraud
    At gambling websites, it is very typical to see thieves using stolen credit cards. If they can get the card to work, they can quickly and easily cash out. Cybercriminals can use a stolen credit card to top up an online casino account. From there, they can withdraw in cryptocurrency.
  • 6. Chargeback Fraud
    Also known as friendly fraud, this is when a legitimate customer files a chargeback under false pretenses to get their money back. It happens rather frequently in online gambling, when a person who just lost a lot of money might phone their bank, say that their card was used without their knowledge, and then get their gabling losses refunded. Gambling establishments may counter the onslaughts. However, if they receive too many chargebacks, it could result in damaging their relationship with card providers. Being unable to support payments from a major card issuer can basically cost them their business. More often than not, just swallowing the loss is more practical than fighting it.

Note that - Collusion, bonus abuse and chip dumping are subcategories of Multiple account fraud.

That's all for now. Thank you for reading.
What other common or uncommon type of online gambling fraud have you noticed?


That is a very nicely detailed list! I am sure there are other frauds but I think they are derivatives of the main ones that you just mentioned. Good job on keeping the community alert! IOU 1 merit.

Fraudsters tend to target both online gambling casino websites as well as their visitors. I would also mention the phishing frauds going around. They are easy to spot but people tend to keep falling for them... Its a fraud where the fraudster creates a perfect copy of the entire casino website with the sole purpose to steal passwords and account information.

Easy to avoid if you use 2FA and keep your mind alert (Always check to make sure the url is real- the scammers usually replace a letter with a similiar looking letter like capital i with a lowercase L)
1663  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: When was your last Royal Fush? on: January 27, 2023, 11:36:33 AM
As much as I want a royal flush, I have never actually gotten one. I suppose that the odds of getting a royal flush are extremely low. Beyond minuscule. And honestly I would not ever count on getting one. But man, how amazing of a feeling must it be to win with a hand like that? At that point when you realize how good your hand is, you plan a strategy of going all in without alerting anyone of your imminent and indisputable win. Grin

I think thats also just as hard. Imagine if you got a royal flush but everyone else folds because you go all in too soon? What a shame that would be..
1664  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My step to promote bitcoin on: January 26, 2023, 11:02:39 PM
I see how many people are trying to promote bitcoins in their own way, I am moved and decided that this year, I will play my part in the most little way possible even if I am still a new member here and to bitcoins.

It took me some time to be able to think of something that I could do that will not cost me too much money since I do not have so much of that, and also something that will not require me to talk to people directly because I can get shy.

I decided to get stickers that I intend to distribute among transporters to put in their vehicles and tricycles, and also to put them in places that people can easily see.

I will appreciate someone help preview the post so my stickers can be seen.


Great job on your Bitcoin promotion! A lot of people would never go that far and take such initiatives despite believing strongly in Bitcoin. Especially if its too much work or costs any amount of money (or time). I am glad to see there still are real Bitcoiners in the world who love Bitcoin, truly.

Your contribution to Bitcoin adoption marketing will be remembered when Bitcoin becomes the one global money. And I do believe that will eventually happen. Of course it will happen much faster if we had more amazing people like you in our Bitcoin community!

Keep up the good work and update us on your progress!
1665  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2022-12-16] Germany calls for global regulation of the cryptospace on: January 26, 2023, 10:08:00 PM
I reckon no amount of stricter regulations will stop the more advanced type or the higher level scammers similar to Sam Bankrupt-Fried who, has the political connections and who has wealthy financial backers that can finance their criminal and moneylaundering operations. Everyone should become very much aware of this.

I would be shaking my head if we, the commoners of the cryptospace, would support a move for stricter global regulations in crypto. This will only make the use of cryptocoins, Defi and other protocols harder for us commoners, however, it will certainly not make it more difficult for those higher level criminals to create and fund their scams in crypto.



Cryptocurrency regulation is currently a focal point for regulators and lawmakers all across the world. Regulators have been tightening the noose around the crypto industry to safeguard consumers from bad actors.

The colossal fall of the FTX crypto exchange has alarmed regulators even more, and lawmakers are trying to bring effective and efficient crypto regulation into place.

The president of BaFin has censured the current synopsis of the regime that governs the crypto sectors as not strict enough. This points toward the condition where the industry will not be able to keep bad actors in control.


Read in full https://bitcoinist.com/germany-calls-global-regulation-of-crypto-industry/

I do not think that Germany fully understands the concept of decentralized finance. They are still thinking of crypto in terms of digital money, like Paypal. They are completely leaving out the issue of the unregulatable nature of smart contract swapping of crypto. Especially when it comes to DeFi.

How exactly do they think they can demand KYC from every single person with a self-custody wallet? How are they even going to find the people the wallets belong to? Do they just hope that everyone with a wallet makes themselves known? Or are they going to demand unreasonable and impossible KYC demands for service/goods providers who accept Bitcoin?

All these demands from unknowing politicians are just empty threats, because they cannot actually do anything. I am certain that they only demand more to be done as a way to make themselves look good (as in PR stunts) by pretending like they have found a solution of somehow centralizing a decentralized, anonymous money. Lets not forget, they have not even been able to control Bitcoin as they would a regular security. And Bitcoin has been unrestrained for over a decade now.

What chance do they think they have with DeFi? Not even mentioning privacy coins like Monero. At some point they will realize that they cannot attack the end points like crypto exchanges because there are always other ways to buy and sell crypto. Its over. The governments can only kick and scream now. We have won.

The fact that the oldest crypto, Bitcoin, has not been put on a leash by the government is the greatest proof of this.
1666  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Advice on choosing a crypto casino on: January 26, 2023, 08:18:20 PM
Greetings, esteemed community. Could you help me advise? I've seen a lot of topics on the forum about crypto or bitcoin casinos, but I need clarification on their point. As I understand the crypto casino involves paying in different cryptocurrencies, and the bitcoin casino involves only bitcoins. How to choose a casino, is there a criterion for this, or do you just go to any casino and play? It's a rash move without preparation. Also interested in a payment system, which is recommended to play in such casinos? Or just a suitable crypto wallet? I apologize for my silly questions, but I want to understand everything once and for all.

Honestly there is no good way to choose a crypto casino. All of them have different bonuses, different marketing approaches when it comes to their community, different service levels and different games.

Usually they follow the same framework of online gambling casinos but some have better user experience designs or better game designs or etc.

The most important part is to first do your research on which casinos are trusted and which are not. I believe that if you peruse the Bitcointalk forum for a while you will see the differences and which are the most liked casinos yourself.

Do not go for new/red trusted casinos or casinos with scam accusations. Everything else is subjective.
1667  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: We lose on the long run through return percentage on: January 26, 2023, 07:48:14 PM

I just googled the return percentage of online casinos and saw different percentages that doesn't seem real. A slot machine can be written to pay out 98%, but its programmed to pay 90% and it's publicized that way to attract more people to play using that slot. Though one slot could be paying out that amount in the casino, yet my point is that no casino offers 100 percent payout that means if a slot pays out 94 percent for every 100 dollar bill spent on that machine the player losses 6$ to the casino. That is if you play longer times you'll lose, and we can almost never stay atop of the slot machines after long period of plays, unless you win a jackpot. Even if you win a huge amount, you can lose. They are numerous stories of people who won the jackpot and ended up spending the whole money back on the casino within a short period, 1 or 2 years, they lost the jackpot.


Isn't it?

Inspired by Jean Scott - Frugal Gambler

That might be considered false advertising but I cannot say for sure since I am not a lawyer nor do I have the specific knowledge about which casinos are subject to which countries laws. What I can say for certainty is that online gambling casinos, just as offline gambling casinos are subject to strict regulations and check-ups. It would not be easy for a legitimate casino to actually break these rules and regulations without repercussions. As far as the mechanism for return percentage, I think that is all in the algorithm which decides the house edge. Obviously the house will always win. Its simple mathematical probabilities.
1668  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is Trustwallet Safe? on: January 25, 2023, 08:00:14 PM
Getting a hardware wallet or having cold/offline storage wallet is the safest. Online or hot wallets are more vulnerable to online attacks. Trustwallet is an online wallet.

Trustwallet is also close source. You do not know what Trustwallet developers are doing behind. I can not advice anyone to use close source wallet.

Never leave high amount of funds on online wallets.

For safety, get a reputed open source hardware wallet.

This. 100% this.

Closed source is too shady. Crypto stands for transparency. How else would we know what the traps and pitfalls are supposed to be? Just trust the developers and hope for the best? No thx.

I would not completely trust any non-Bitcointalk-endorsed wallet since most people here know what they are talking about and you will not find a community with more technical knowledge about wallets and which wallets are safe. I keep hearing that Trustwallet cannot be trusted, ironically.

If you are using a wallet for Bitcoin, use a wallet like Electrum. Most people here would gladly vouch for that wallet. Although there are others.

But if you need a wallet to store altcoins or use for DeFi then you can use Trustwallet as long as you keep in mind that its better to store long term somewhere else.

1669  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 25, 2023, 07:59:36 PM
For those who want to look at the actual original, here's a link to the original message and forum thread started by member Sabunir.


The first item purchased with Bitcoin was an NFT? Grin
1670  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best strategy for Dollar Cost Averaging on: January 25, 2023, 07:31:56 PM
I have searched and seen that;
Quote
Dollar-cost averaging is the practice of systematically investing equal amounts of money at regular intervals, regardless of the price of a security.

What is your best strategy for Dollar Cost Averaging, do you do it weekly, monthly?
What do you advice and why?


https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/dollarcostaveraging.asp

I am not completely sure what you mean by strategy for Dollar Cost Averaging since Dollar Cost Averaging is the strategy itself. If you were to ask me how I do it then I say you simply divide your money up and invest/trade as you would normally except not all at once. I personally use the daily scale and invest in each dip. At any moment, a giant red candle could appear and ruin your day. Same goes for the giant green candle. Nobody knows when or why it will happen but we know that it will happen. So the best course of action is to minimize the risk with DCA.
1671  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Has someone tried to use ChatGPT to help in trading? on: January 25, 2023, 07:16:37 PM
This is getting ridiculous. People are over-inflating the importance and usefulness of ChatGPT or any modern advanced AI. Why would anyone use it to trade? There are AI trading bots designed exactly for trading and even then, people prefer not to use them due to the fact that the human mind is still better at doing the task. And when it comes to trading, every little bit of profit/loss counts. Thats not a job that you would want to leave to an AI bot.

One small mistake and all your money is gone. To me, thats waay to risky. And I have yet to hear of anyone, other than the AI developers themselves, becoming rich from using AI.
1672  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do online casinos disadvantage some locations from winning big on: January 25, 2023, 06:53:50 PM
You know how casinos have set certain slots to only pay a certain amount to a winner, it it also possible that casinos are using an algorithm to limit how much it can payout for players coming from certain locations to avoid being dragged into legal disputes if a player is paid big money and the local authorities want to know the source and the alike?

I am sure that what you are describing is not only frowned upon by the authorities and casino regulators, but it is also quite illegal for casinos to do. I doubt any legitimate casino would try to risk their entire business over some extra profit. Especially when they are being controlled and hounded by people whos sole job it is to weed out bad actors in that particular business.

Don't get me wrong, I think casinos will try to do the sneakiest, dirtiest things to gain more profit but only when they are moving in a legal area. Rigging the games in such a way is undoubtedly not legal though. Shocked
1673  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UK fines online casino for only asking KYC from winning gamblers on: January 25, 2023, 08:56:35 AM
One fairly common complain among gamblers is they are allowed to make a deposit at casinos and lose their money without any issue, but if they happen to win and they want to make a withdrawal then they are hit with a KYC request almost immediately, Tonybet a fiat Estonian casino was fined more than 400,000 pounds for this practice and it seems the regulators are now interested in making reforms to the laws and force casinos to also make checks on those gamblers which have lost a lot of money.

If those new regulations are passed they will affect not only fiat casinos but cryptocurrency casinos will have to eventually follow them as well, do you agree with this idea? Would you like to see casinos to be fined more often for the practice of only asking for personal information from winning gamblers or do you think this will have a harmful effect on their finances?

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jan/18/tonybet-fined-regulator-online-betting-id-checks-terms

Well its about time! Too many gambling casinos are using a weaponized form of KYC just in hopes that they will get their money back one way or another from the winners who cannot or do not provide KYC due to their own reasons. Or they use KYC as a stalling tactic until the only choice is to get a lawyer or give up their winnings. Its quite disgusting at this point because they know that not everyone has the strength to fight back.

Either you demand KYC or you do not. Making withdrawing funds harder for winners only is not ok.

1674  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I managed to invite 1 of my friends to invest in bitcoin on: January 24, 2023, 08:54:25 AM
Good job on becoming a Bitcoiner who spreads the word of the future money! Really nice job!

But at moments like these I do think it's a bit of a shame that there is no referral reward system for Bitcoin, built in. That would help the adoption and globalization of Bitcoin along. But either way, Bitcoin will, whether slowly or fast, become the one, true global money.

I hope you remembered to tell your friend about the traps along his path. No panic selling, only hodl and do not trust altcoins. Especially ones that are not in the top 20 on Coinmarketcap.
1675  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why did you have Faith in BTC? on: January 24, 2023, 07:56:04 AM
Noticing BTC proceeding down for quite some period now, I presumed people will be withdrawing their assets to shares in other businesses. But it amazed me that BTC is gaining more rage and a multitude of people are still rushing BTC. What is the secret behind BTC?

The secret? Just read the whitepaper until you understand how important Bitcoin is. Its a money which provably cannot be controlled or regulated or frozen by anyone. The reason being that that very control is distributed among miners. And anyone can become a Bitcoiner miner at any time as long as they have internet. This is also the reason why most of us are strictly against implementation of PoS for Bitcoin, but thats a different discussion.

Its also based on a system of being a public ledger. So saying that criminals can stay anonymous with Bitcoin is nonsense.

The underlying value is not merely speculation but also the cost that mining.

So it has provable value and a free nature. Thats next gen money.
1676  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cheat the Lottery Winner on: January 24, 2023, 07:09:58 AM

The valuable lesson that can be learned from the story above is that if you want to remain anonymous for your lottery winnings, do it yourself, and don't entrust money-related matters to other people (even if that person is someone close to you)

if i were am victim, i will not reconcile with that cheating cousin, unless she returns all my winnings that she has used, how about you?

Obviously do not trust anyone, even a cousin or any other family member or best friend with your money. At some point people will betray you. Knowing that, why would you still trust people with large amounts of money?

I think there is something shadier going on. Anyone wishing to stay anonymous for such silly reasons has something to hide and I am sure that that particular person was trying to hide something as well.

People need to be less oblivious to whats going on around them. Seriously.
1677  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will crypto banks replace traditional banks on: January 24, 2023, 05:37:14 AM
I think you may be perhaps misunderstanding the entire point of Bitcoin as well as other cryptocurrencies. It is to BE YOUR OWN BANK. It really is self explainatory. There is absolutely no more need in our modern times for some third party member to hold your money for you until you decide to send it to someone. And not only do they hold your money for you, they also demand payment for this "service". Although its not a service, really.

And if something should happen, be sure that nobody in that bank will care about your loss of money. The bank will whisk away responsibility and carry on as usual.

Rise above and be your own bank.

The correct topic subject for this topic should be "will crypto replace traditional banks" and the answer is yes, yes they will and already have done so.
1678  Economy / Gambling / Re: Metaspins.com - Crypto casino - 100% Up To 1 Bitcoin On Your First Deposit on: January 24, 2023, 05:24:36 AM
Well, alright. I decided to take a look at your online gambling crypto casino "Metaspins.com" and have found a few things that I think could be areas of potential improvement. These following suggestions are merely my own thoughts and are not meant to make Metaspins look bad or good. They are just opinions.

First of all, the user experience design is all over the place and not very thought out. When I first came to the casino I could not find an option to change the language. There really is no order to the interface, but rather as I said, everything is just jumbled around.

Secondly, the crypto buying options are quite limited. You might want to update the payment options.

Overall its a standard casino with no personal flair or something that makes it stand out from the other casinos.
1679  Economy / Gambling / Re: Black Friday fever: do you wait for extra bonuses from casinos? on: January 22, 2023, 10:28:35 PM
I am usually always excited about extra bonuses and rewards from online casinos but in every casino that I check out and compare bonuses, I seem to find little to no difference in potential profit and the whole concept is starting to feel like a rubber-stamped marketing tactic which no longer provides the old bonuses that we know and love.

What gamblers dont understand is that black friday itself and any other form of promo the gambling site may try to introduce is their advertisement and marketing strategy, they don't mind spending that little they promise to give you if you win but what they get back in return is very big considering the numbers of gamblers across the world that will have interest in participating, which makes it more profitable to the lucky winner a d the gambling company while others that have attempted took the risk for applying in an attempt to win.
Black friday itself is just like some common or ordinary holidays, it is really just turning out that BF is really that just good or known in some parts of the world and this is why some sites do really attached their bonuses into these kind of events.If we do talk about overall about bonuses then its not something that do really give out that kind of excitement since we do know on how gambling bonuses do works which it does
really have those terms which you do need to hit up before you could make out some withdrawal.Just like the rest it isnt really just something interesting that you could deal off with.
It doesnt really give out that kind of excitement most of the time.

Black Friday used to be something more. Something exciting. Something you, your family and your friends would love and look forward to. At least in America. But slowly that whole concept turned into a corner-cut, cost efficient marketing nightmare for the customers.

It's a shame, really. I would have loved the old Black Friday spirit back. At least in online gambling casinos...

1680  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Doxxed team can help a new gambling platform? on: January 22, 2023, 04:20:48 PM
I think as long as the casino itself is licensed correctly, you can be sure that the business is legitimate. A KYC of the team itself is less dependable in my eyes than a government approval. And you have to ask yourself who is doing the KYC procedure in the first place and how legit they are. So, KYC is BS.

So if you are worried about that kind of "proof" in order to ensure that the casino you choose is not a scam, then a license, which is government approved and publically verifiable would be a better proof than a "doxx" of members who may or may not be real or not (they may be real people with fake ID and forged government papers in order to hide their real identity.)
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