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2581  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 41% of people globally say they trust Bitcoin over local currencies on: November 19, 2021, 07:50:33 PM
Regardless of the source of the numbers mentioned here in the picture, I'm not sure about these numbers because these numbers seem way higher than reality to me, still, there are many people who don't even know about bitcoin even in America if the situation is like that in a country like America then there is even worst situation in the other countries and other are still many people they don't know bitcoin or they partly know about bitcoin as a currency, then how can we ask them if they really trust something they don't even understand completely.  
Maybe, that's the difference though. We are comparing this data with America, UK, and other developed countries. However, if this data was collected in less developed countries then I can see the data being skewed because of that. After all, local currencies in developing countries are generally less stable, and there are more people that are poverty stricken, which therefore might mean they were already looking for alternatives, and happened to stumble upon Bitcoin. 

I would have to agree though, comparing this data to my observations locally, it's massively over inflated.
2582  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 41% of people globally say they trust Bitcoin over local currencies on: November 19, 2021, 07:44:15 PM
Although, I understand this is probably a localised issue, but where I live most people seem to be quite hostile towards Bitcoin or just simply don't know enough about it. I would be interested in looking into exactly where this was conducted, what sort of background the respondents were from, since I find it hard to believe that almost half the population think Bitcoin is more trustworthy than local currencies.

I do believe we are getting better in terms of perceived legitimacy, but I didn't think we were here quite yet. Also, I would have thought security, and trustworthy would have had similar results, as really you can't have one without the other, so that piece of data is a little confusing to me.

I would say 40 to 50 percent of the population has heard about Bitcoin, and know roughly what it is, I wouldn't expect even half of that number to consider it more trustworthy, otherwise wouldn't they be using it? At the very least as a reserve currency.
2583  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: are crypto owners naturally paranoid? on: November 19, 2021, 05:27:46 PM
Safe or not depends on the user. Nothing is safe as long as the wallet user ignores the warnings about the security of the wallet and the private key it holds.

Large exchanges or personal wallets both have their advantages and disadvantages. Those who are paranoid only think about the details about the dangers that lurk and forget how to deal with these dangers. Crypto users are not paranoid, it depends on each person, even some people who are already paranoid are very easy to fall into the trap of scammers.
Exchange wallets have a much bigger potential for pitfalls than personal wallets. Personal wallets as you say; you have complete control over, though an exchange wallet could be compromised at any moment, despite you having pretty decent security. Storing your Bitcoin on a exchange wallet for any long term period defeats the point of Bitcoin entirely.

Actually, I'd say most people get complacent which leads to loss of coins, at least in personal wallets. Exchange wallets it's usually down to internal compromise or the user making a weak password. The thing is with exchange wallets they have a much larger attack vector than your personal wallet, which inherently makes it much less secure.
2584  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How can people in Afganistan use crypto? on: November 19, 2021, 05:18:49 PM
You'll be hard pressed to find any exchange operating without Know Your Customer (KYC) since KYC is required in most countries, this is usually because they are trying to reduce fraud, and various other illegal activities. However, it's your right to choose other services that don't require KYC, the only option you have is peer to peer transactions,  so you can either post a thread in the Currency Exchange section on this forum, or use an exchange which doesn't actually trade Bitcoin themselves, but allows users to trade on there.

Also, don't use the exchange wallet for long term storage, and all exchanges should be compatible with whatever Android wallet you use, since it doesn't really matter too much on the software, just how it generates the Bitcoin address. So, a Bitcoin address is a Bitcoin address regardless the software.

Also what's a good and cheap enough phone that you can buy in Afganistan to play axie infinity
Chinese phones will always be the best bang for your buck, though they often have fake specifications or potentially have been compromised. So, it's best to check the item physically, for example there's a load on the market which claim to have dual speakers, when in fact they have one speaker, but two openings that give the illusion there are two speakers. Also, about it being potentially compromised, all phones could potentially be compromised, and that's why I always recommend flashing a custom ROM, either one that is natively supported or using a Generic System Image (GSI). The hardware could still be compromised so that's something you'd have to decide on.

Bitcoin should work on all of them though, it just depends on what brands you trust just in case they're compromised, and either give away your privacy or potentially compromise your Bitcoin wallet.
2585  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What if governments make Bitcoin centralized? on: November 19, 2021, 05:05:52 PM
It depends on what goals the leadership of a particular country will pursue.

But what you say, I think, is applicable only to capitalist countries. If a country like China really wants to harm the Bitcoin machine, then it will not spare resources to do it. But this is extremely unlikely, since such actions do not promise China either financial or strategic prospects. In addition, the moment is missed ... since significant mining capacities have already been exported from China, not to mention the fact that miners will not destroy their source of income.
China takes the alternative route by placing restrictions, and laws to prevent its use. That however, usually has a detrimental effect in the long term, once the people start getting tired of being censored. However, I think the point still stands, China wouldn't benefit attacking Bitcoin by taking the majority of network hash rate, since there's cheaper ways to try, and prevent people from using it.

It's one thing achieving the majority, but maintaining it for any period of time where it would contribute considerably to their goal would be rather unrealistic, and unsustainable. Hence why we haven't seen it, Bitcoin has many enemies, yet there hasn't been that many significant attacks. Bitcoin is getting stronger as time goes on due to increased adoption, the optimal time to attack was the first opportunity that they learned about it. Though, I guess back then it didn't have as much faith in it as it does today, though that's the counter balance really, it isn't going to be sustainable for anyone for a long period of time.

2586  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [BOXING] Logan Paul vs Mike Tyson on: November 19, 2021, 05:01:50 PM
What some of you might find interesting which I stumbled upon today, Mike Tyson actually went onto Logan Paul's podcast "impaulsive". It literally starts off with Mike eating mushrooms, so take that as you will. I know Tyson does a podcast too, but I couldn't seem to find a Logan one. Makes me thing that Logan is a an even greater businessman than people give credit for.

This fight was likely going to happen before that podcast, and the only way I see Mike actually going on there is because it was written in the contract. Then Logan benefits from the fights purse, as well as the amount of traffic which will inevitably end up on that podcast. Smart move, the guy definitely knows how to make money.

I do suspect that Jake Paul will pull of his usual stunts prior to the fight, though Logan seemed to be quite respectful on parts of the podcast I watched. I didn't watch it all though.
2587  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hillary Clinton: Nation states should pay attention to the rise of crypto on: November 19, 2021, 04:49:44 PM
The government, and Hilary would be well up to date on Bitcoin. She might not have the knowledge about it personally, but the government have been aware of its existence from its very inception. I wouldn't take Hillary's comment as the government are going to start cracking down on Bitcoin though, I took it as her personal opinion rather than anything official or her being in the know of things that might be official.

These kind of act will boost the USD, when the adoption of cryptocurrency happens it'll damage the USD. This seems to be the major reason why Hilary Clinton have revealed such a statement. Apart from this there were more countries in the queue for cryptocurrency adoption which at present depend much on USD.
Adoption of Bitcoin has already started. The difference is; it's being used as a reserve currency rather than a every day currency. This doesn't really hurt fiat currencies all too much in its current state, fiat currencies do that to themselves, because of their inflation which is a design flaw. If fiat fails, it's because it's flawed, and there are better alternatives out there. At the moment though, Bitcoin isn't the answer to all our problems. I see Bitcoin as a way of controlling your money right now, and it probably has more potential to earn you money over a period of time, than if you were to collect the tiny amount of interest banks offer.
2588  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What if governments make Bitcoin centralized? on: November 19, 2021, 02:51:26 PM
A government adopting Bitcoin, and then paying through the teeth to have enough resources to maintain over 51% share of the mining power is even more silly than using a currency which you can infinitely print. Though, this hasn't stopped them in the past to be fair.

Nah, in all seriousness the expense required to maintain that sort of share in the network would greatly outweigh the benefits. It would be a better idea to try, and convince the mining pools that they need to follow some sort of law which gives the government control of their pools, and even that is far fetched.

Basically, dkbit98 said it above. If they consider Bitcoin a threat to their existing model, they'll likely evolve that system into a sort of government backed cryptocurrency, which will have all the same limitations or minor variations to what fiat is today, except their marketing plan will be far greater than anyone else's. So, in simple terms they wouldn't centralise Bitcoin, because in all reality it's impossible to do. Instead, they would attempt to replace it with a similar system, but something they can control.

I mean, most people are already converting to digital finances which will make the transition easier.

I don't think a government would care too much to find a way to destroy crypto,  and sure someone like china, Russia or the US might want to take it down/control it just to prove they can but what happens when the algorithm changes and all the devs vote on it as well as a rewind (one government gets left with a bunch of equipment they can't use and the chain continues)? Also, stopping bitcoin from working stops bitcoin from working, it won't stop eth or other chains so what if all the btc is temporarily moved to another coin for a while as a token?
Edward Bernays taught us you don't have to destroy anything, instead you convince the people that your solution is a better one, and with the government's marketing budget, they''ll be able to easily convince the general public.

He also suggested that lack of acknowledgement usually brings more harm than good, and you can see that several governments, in fact probably at this point most governments in the world have acknowledged Bitcoin, and set certain regulations such as taxes.
2589  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: November 19, 2021, 02:41:20 PM
I've always seen Klopp as a mentoring type, that's why he's so successful in turning players that weren't at their best, and getting the most out of them. So, I'd like to think he's going to have heavy involvement with these shadow talks to try, and ease Gerrard into the role. That's if he is definitely leaving, I'm really hoping he stays. It says a lot when you have a club legend like Gerrard who could potentially manage the team in the future, which is very movie story like, but most of us would prefer to have Klopp at the helm. That says a lot about how much we respect, and love Klopp.

Easily, the best manager post 2000's, and I think there could potentially be a argument for being the best of all time. Though, with Shankly there's definitely some decent competition out there. Though, they're very similar I think.

With how shaky Liverpool's defense has been recently, I'm personally feeling 3-1. I might see if I can remember the throwaway email I used for this, and just see how many points I end up with by mass putting in the results Cheesy.
2590  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Tommy Fury vs Jake Paul on: November 19, 2021, 02:31:48 PM
there is a recent update on their fight. looks like jake paul has been given an advantage in the fight(I am not surprised really). according to the article, the weight catch for the fight will be 192lbs. which was similar/closer to the weights where jake paul previously fought. as for Tommy Fury, the heaviest weight he has fought in is 189lbs which is still 3 pounds lighter than 192lbs.
Makes sense, probably worth putting a punt on Jake just because I haven't got absolute confidence in Tommy on the best days which have been few, and far between recently.

As for the weight minor difference there for Tommy, I don't think he'll struggle at that weight, after all both men are probably walking around much heavier than that, so higher limit while still being only a minor difference should benefit the cut rather than hinder performance on the night.
2591  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread on: November 19, 2021, 02:16:54 PM
Just saw a headline going around, it seems that the Adesanya / Whittaker scrap is set to take place on February 12th 2022. Not bad, it will give both fighters some much-deserved time to get into this as they should, as rested and as healed as possible. I can only imagine what tempo that must be, to be on the top of the division for that amount of time. Can't really speculate on the outcome, it's a bit too early for that.
I'm a fan of Adesanya so a slight bias, but I also have tremendous respect for Whittaker. This is easily the most anticipated fight throughout the whole UFC for me. I can't think of anyone else that I would be more hyped to be fighting each other. It's probably seconded by Conor vs Khabib a few years ago, but other than that I actually believe Whittaker has what it takes to cause an upset, and Adesanya always puts on a show.

Why do they call him flyweight Khabib? Just because he is from Dagestan? And has a good score? There are other fighters from Dagestan in UFC, they came there also with a perfect score. But nobody called them <title> Khabib.

There is only one Khabib and other probably should be "Nurmagomedov team" Cheesy

Anyway, good luck to him, hope he will keep his perfect score Cheesy It is interesting to see how many fights he will need to get first title fight Cheesy
I've heard it numerous times, I listen to a lot of podcasts surrounding the UFC, so I can't remember exactly which one, but they've alluded to several dagestan fighters being the next Khabib. Luckily, their other content is entertaining.

From what I can gather this particular fighter doesn't even have the style that Khabib has, which is basically executing basic moves to absolute perfection, which is rare even at an elite level competition.
2592  Other / Meta / Re: Wrong information about BitcoinTalk history on Wikipedia on: November 18, 2021, 12:46:16 PM
My additions about the bitcointalk hacks were deleted because the citations (from coindesk and others) are not considered reliable sources.

I have no qualms about Coindesk in particular but given most bitcoin news is grossly inaccurate, it makes quite hard to find a reliable (by their standards) source.
Fair enough I'd say, but would they consider a post from the site admin to be credible enough? I'd like to think you can't get anymore credible than the website themselves posting information about compromises.

I'm guessing they're going to be rather picky about it being specifically a third party that has reported on it. Which would be weird, since most third party reports are grossly inaccurate (not specifically Bitcointalk's, but in general).

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although some editors argue that caution should be used for science and bitcoin topics.
Anything involving investments should probably be considered for bias. I'm not sure what their take is on other investments that may be deemed risky.
2593  Other / Meta / Re: Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ on: November 18, 2021, 12:40:53 PM
I take a similar approach to Mprep, in that if the majority of the post is on topic, then I'll likely leave it. After all, I think we all stray somewhat off topic, but as long as we keep the main point on topic, and the majority of the post on topic I don't think it's that big of a problem.

Another option might be that it is not acceptable to repost a post that was previously deleted by the moderators, without permission from a moderator, or that you cannot take action to reverse what a moderator did, unless you are complaining in meta, or have received permission to do so.
As far as I know, this will likely lead to harsher actions being taken if this continues. Likely starting at personal messages warning of the fact, then leading onto a temporary ban. Though, I've yet to be in this position, most people aren't that persistent, and just accept it or complain in Meta which is fine.

My biggest concern is that someone who is complaining should know where to complain about the moderation. Almost all the time, if a post is moderated, the moderation follows forum policy. However there is always the risk a mod goes rogue, or a mod account gets hacked. If this happens and people complain in the wrong section, the administration will have difficulty detecting the moderator doing something he shouldn’t be.
Yeah, in a perfect world that's what would happen. Though, I'd like to think that if someone was being punished unfairly or at least suspecting that a moderator has gone rogue as you put it, contact an admin to get it sorted or at least look up where to post complaints.

I'm not sure how much this has happened in Bitcointalk's history though, I don't think I recall many instances, maybe once? So, either the admins do a good job of getting on it right away or it just doesn't happen very often.
2594  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: November 18, 2021, 12:27:54 PM
I doubt they really care. Man City is owned by Abu Dhabi United Group which is part owned by Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan a member of the Saudi Royal family. It's all a load of hypocrisy anyway. I'm sure most football clubs owners are unscrupulous or have ties to dodgy stuff. Mike Ashley was hardly a well respected businessman and was pretty exploitative of workers but that's just business I guess. The UK government sells arms to the Saudi's and they don't seem to mind blowing civilians up themselves but every footballer still pays their taxes. I don't think it's morals that will get in the way and would think it would be quite unfair if it did but they will certainly have their detractors who will surely whine about this sort of stuff. I think the biggest hurdle will be getting that first star player signing. It's going to have to be a lot of money to even get them as they're still going to be playing for a mediocre side until they sign more players.
I'd like to think they care, and I'd like to think I'd care if I was in their position. Though, you're probably right, and I'm just romanticizing it. Well yeah, I think a lot of people would argue that Saudi are here because of the UK helping them achieve what they wanted to achieve.

It'll be interesting what players they sign, because I'll be curious how many top players are willing to go play for a team that's currently struggling, and will have to work their socks off to get anywhere near European competitions. It might sound a little crazy because Manchester City were in the lower leagues, but I think rebuilding Newcastle is harder than Man City's rise to glory.

I just can't see them getting enough signings that are of good enough quality, without massively overspending, putting their financial fair play at risk (whether or not they care about that since Manchester City doesn't seem too) in January. Usually, teams that are doing well want to keep their best players to try, and finish as positively as they can, those that are particularly struggling will also want to keep their star players, to keep their position in the tables respectful.

Obviously, you can make big signings in January transfer windows, I think Torres was a January signing for Liverpool way back, and do I recall Suarez also being a signing in Jan? I can't quite remember. However, Newcastle need more than just one or two players. They need a complete overhaul. The only players I see at Newcastle that should probably stay are Wilson (though injury prone), Saint Maximin, and Miguel Almirón. Those players are pretty decent, and are relatively young for their importance to the team.

You could potentially argue that players like Murphy, Hayden, and Joe Willock should be staying, but personally I think they should be setting the bar higher that these types of players.
2595  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread on: November 18, 2021, 12:19:27 PM
I really think there are a lot of explosion for Chiesa than with Brady, in terms of striking I will go for Chiesa than with Brady and even though Chiesa was defeated by Vicente Luque on the ground this doesn't mean that Sean Brady will not struggle with Vicente Luque as well, but for me, there is a larger chance for Micheal Chiesa winning this in my opinion.
Exactly, just because Chiesa has struggled in the past with wrestlers, doesn't actually mean he's going to struggle again. I think we'll see him make the necessary adjustments to his game plan, and this fight will be won, and lost in the stand up, which like you say you've got to favour Chiesa on paper.

I don't expect a knockout, I expect a competitive fight right up until the end of the third round. Chiesa winning via unanimous decision. I expect cleaner shots, more impactful shots, and he's probably going to rock Brady at least once during the fight.
2596  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [BOXING] Logan Paul vs Mike Tyson on: November 18, 2021, 12:14:27 PM
Honestly, we can't really apply the real-boxing analysis to their match since it's an exhibition match. If only that's a professional one, we can apply some of the boxing analysis since we can expect they will do it on the ring.

The match is already decided - whether someone is now a sure win or they will do the same setup of Paul vs Mayweather where no winners were announced.

Don't expect too much technicality on that fight. They will just entertain people with no real aggressiveness on both parties.
It'll probably be no winners announced due to it being a exhibition match. Though, you can definitely come to a conclusion on who's the better fighter in exhibitions. To be honest, I don't think exhibitions should exist, if you're cleared by the commission to be able to fight, then that's it. There shouldn't be any going easy on your opponent, fans pay big money to watch boxing fights. In fact, I've never been to a boxing fight because they're so damn expensive to go see. Especially, if you want to be anywhere with a decent view.

Honestly, we can't really apply the real-boxing analysis to their match since it's an exhibition match. If only that's a professional one, we can apply some of the boxing analysis since we can expect they will do it on the ring.

The match is already decided - whether someone is now a sure win or they will do the same setup of Paul vs Mayweather where no winners were announced.

Don't expect too much technicality on that fight. They will just entertain people with no real aggressiveness on both parties.

I don’t think it’s that simple, although a lot of what you said is true. But a significant part of the public who looks at boxing looks at it for the sake of drama, blood, knockouts. They are unlikely to be happy to see the "dancing". Taking into account the fact that they pay real money and the organizers want to receive this money further, I think we will see some kind of intensity in the battle (real or staged).
I'm not all that fussed on knockouts, I'd rather see a competitive war, than a one punch knockout. There's nothing worse than staying up all night for the main event, and one of them gets knocked out in the first few seconds.
2597  Economy / Speculation / Re: JP Morgan: bitcoin could hit $146,000 on: November 17, 2021, 11:44:23 PM
That is called market manipulation, they talk about the market like it will do good and sell theirs and that's how they make their money, they expect everyone to get in so that they could get out without losing too much. This is just a method that they use so that they could profit the maximum.

Same concept goes when they want to buy as well, they make news both from their own mouths like this one but also they pay newspapers to talk badly about bitcoin as well and hope that everyone sells, so that they could buy cheap as well and reenter after they sell. This is just a method that whales use to manipulate the market and it is as old as time, nobody believes them anymore.
It would only be market manipulation if they are directly benefiting from it or at least trying to purposely do it. Otherwise, it's just making predictions without any substance behind them, both pretty bad. Though, most people don't care about either. Do we know how much JP Morgan are invested into Bitcoin, is that public knowledge? Since, if they did offload Bitcoin after claiming Bitcoin would reach x amount, then that would be clear manipulation, trying to artificially inflate the price, and then sell a large amount, and reinvest at a later date, rinse, and repeat.

Though, I'll be honest I don't know how effective the above title would be at increasing the price in the short term. After all, Tesla was bigger news recently, and that didn't really have much of a significant impact, at least not for long.
2598  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Poll] If this happens, is it time to sell your Bitcoin? on: November 17, 2021, 11:40:03 PM
Oh, you'd be surprised how fast things can unravel.

Zimbabwe and Venezuela were both very prosperous countries a few decades before their economic systems were subject to complete collapse. I believe one stage Zimbabwe even had a higher exchange rate than the USD.

When your whole economic system is built upon a house of cards, it's not going to last.
I'd argue that the political stability was much more fragile than that in the USA. We all know that the US has a lot of problems, and at times things can start to look like the balance has tipped, but I still think they've got a lot more resources to combat any significant dip. Civil unrest, and various other factors contributed to Zimbabwe. You're right though, I might be slightly underestimating how quick things can change, though I think I still stand by my original stance, not going to happen anytime soon (within 10 years).

Interesting poll result...  Would it be possible to know what the rank of those who voted that ‘it’s gonna be different this time.’?  I’d say most of them are newbie accounts and have entered the space around late 2020, early 2021 or so.
I tend to find that the older users here are a little more optimistic, than the ones that have just invested. I would wager a guess that most long term users, were hoping for the best which swayed their vote to thinking it was different. For example, I don't actually tend to take notice of much of the patterns, because I like to follow the correlation doesn't equal causation approach. Though, I hadn't voted on this poll.
2599  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: About Unsolicited Message... on: November 17, 2021, 11:28:07 PM
For those wondering what justifies being reported I'd say If you receive any type of personal message which you deem is unwanted, you can report it. The admins then will likely see if this is something that is happening on the mass, and if it is deal with it accordingly.

I am not sure you will receive any PM about action taken from admin when you report the PM but the actual treatment is the user will get temp ban for first time violation and if the found to repeat the same then they will get more strict treatment like perma ban.
Could be a temp ban or could be permanent. Depends on a case by case basis I would say, since you may assume they have only contacted you, but in reality they may have sent it to hundreds of users, and that likely justifies more than a temp ban.

As for confirmation that the report has been acted upon, probably not unless a Global mod or admin thinks it's justified.
2600  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Boxing] Tommy Fury vs Jake Paul on: November 17, 2021, 11:20:34 PM
He did very well against Woodley and whilst obviously he wasn't a pro boxer Woodley isn't a bad one and has several KOs from punches. I think we could probably ask would Tommy even be a pro boxer if it wasn't for his family connections? I'm not sure if he would as even a mediocre fighter would probably be signed on the Fury name alone. It's like how the children of pro footballers also get shoe-horned in to teams. Some of them certainly deserve it but others probably would have never even made it to an academy if it wasn't for their father's connections. Tommy really needs to win this fight as if he doesn't he's always just going to be the little bro of Tyson riding on his coattails not to mention a laughing stock. 
I'll definitely agree with that, he did decent against Woodley. I mean I was hoping Woodley would've got the job done, but I was met with the same frustration as watching him in the UFC. Although, there was definitely a point in that boxing fight which was a little weird, he definitely caught Jake, and Jake fell onto the ropes which should technically be a knock down. Jake looked a little dazed at that point too, but did recover fairly well.



It would be a circus but I'm sure they'd both make it one worth watching. I wonder if the sort of money is there for McGregor. I'm sure it's a big pay day for Tommy and Jake but they're still not on the same level as Connor or the Mayweather money. Then again, I'm sure Jake would fight McGregor for even 10% of the purse so I guess it could happen. We'll have to see what Connor's next moves are. His stock is going to continue to decline the longer he's out of the ring and even more so if he keeps losing. 
Yeah, I say it'll be a circus, but I guess that's one of the draws of boxing these days. The era is definitely changing, and boxing is becoming more entertainment outside the ring, than inside. Maybe, that is unfair, but I've definitely started to not watch as much boxing as I used too, though I'm probably an outlier, and this is partly because of MMA replacing it.

Yeah, if your Jake you fight Mcgregor whatever he offers.  Jake Paul walks out of that fight with sponsorships, and more exposure than he could ever ask for. He doesn't necessarily need the money from the fight.
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