Why I'm an atheist

[BADecker]

You are conflating Moses' assistant with the carpenter who lived centuries afterward.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua

You are making shit up as you go.  

BTW, Moses is a mythological figure, not a historical one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses

So, you want to remain in ignorance. You don't need to work at it so hard. It comes easy to you.

[BADecker]

You are conflating Moses' assistant with the carpenter who lived centuries afterward.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua

You are making shit up as you go.  

BTW, Moses is a mythological figure, not a historical one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses

So, you want to remain in ignorance. You don't need to work at it so hard. It comes easy to you.

Not really.  Facts hurt your brain, don't they?

It sucks to be you.  Cognitive dissonance must be killing you.

There you go again. You like atheism because atheism is a religion.

[BADecker]

There you go again. You like atheism because atheism is a religion.

It is irrelevant.  Moses is still a mythological figure.  So is his assistant, Joshua. 

You weren't there, so you don't know that.

Proof of Bible record accuracy is in the nation of Israel. Nobody can put them down. They are among the few formal nations that have survived as a nation for thousands of years. They are a ti9ny nation, yet one of the most powerful. And they are extremely meticulous when it comes to accurate records... the Bible.

Moses and Joshua were real, as is Jesus. The nation of Israel existing as it is proves it.

[styca]

There are so many things wrong with the Bible (both OT and NT) that is just not funny.  Only people who purposely ignore the obvious nonsense, cruelty, and sadistic punishments can follow this religion.

Exactly.

One thing that brings religious people and atheists together is their shared love of Richard Dawkins  Here's a great quote:

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

[BADecker]

There are so many things wrong with the Bible (both OT and NT) that is just not funny.  Only people who purposely ignore the obvious nonsense, cruelty, and sadistic punishments can follow this religion.

Exactly.

One thing that brings religious people and atheists together is their shared love of Richard Dawkins  Here's a great quote:

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

Actually, all that is, is the way ignorant people see it. Here is a clearer picture.

Suppose you need a wrench. So, you get some metal, and go through the trouble to make a wrench. Then you are about to use the wrench to turn a nut or bolt, and the wrench turns itself into a screwdriver, or it simply breaks. What good is it if it doesn't remain a wrench? Toss it out and go back to the drawing board.

God made people upright and holy for His own purpose. But they constantly turn away from how God made them. So, what use are they to God any longer? He should get rid of them. And that is what He does to those of them who remain obstinate.

But God is like the mechanic that takes the useless wrench, and tries to forge it back into something useful. Some of us wrenches are changed back into something useful. But some of us resist being made useful again. If we aren't useful to God, why would he even want to keep us around anymore? Why keep us? Get rid of us.

The point is, we have corrupted ourselves to the point that we aren't willing to even understand the mindset of the God that holds us alive, and gives us the many things that we need to support our daily lives. And worse, we resist His salvation in Jesus that He is using to try to forge us back into something useful to Him, so that he doesn't have to throw us out and destroy us.

Realize that God owns everything, and that it is HIS purposes that prevail.

[BADecker]

God only exists in your mind.  Ask him to post here.

He cannot because he is not real.  You have been lied to. End of story.

You are simply blocking your mind from acknowledging God. God is posting in this forum through me.

[iluvbitcoins]

Ah! At last I found a scientist who knows math and physics, and who took a time machine back a million years, and did all the tests necessary to determine math and physics were the same back then... NOT.  

Where did I get that idea from? Read my post you quoted. It tells you right in there. Things were different back at the time of the BB. Why would you believe math and physics weren't different? How can you know? Maybe it's not even a good guess to say that math and physics were the same back then... considering that BB Theory, itself, acknowledges that the whole universe was so extremely different within at least the first 3 million years.

You can precisely calculate each thing that happened in the universe and back it up to the point of the singularity. That proves the laws were the same. We don't need to go back to see what happens.

But I'm going to take the bait and ask if it were true that we don't know laws of physics don't change [if they changed, there would be a mathematical equation on how they change and they would still be the same laws of physics] and ask what's the point of your statement? What does it prove?

You are right. We are kinda off topic.

It proves we don't know that BB existed. This changes the only real scientific god-of-creation that we have, to be something that we don't know exists. When average folks realize that we don't know if BB exists, they can be more open minded about looking for God.

Your precise calculations might be calculating the wrong thing precisely, like a computer that has rules that are false might calculate a wrong answer. All that it proves is that we are good at using the calculations that we have.

The fact that BB calc shows that the universe was different back then, doesn't really show that math and physics were different. All it shows is that we don't know. Why? Because if math and physics were different a million years ago, we might not get BB using that math instead.

How does that prove that we don't know BB existed?
It proves precisely the opposite.

I don't see how the Big Bang is proving that god doesn't exist, that makes no sense whatsoever.
If it does anything it pushes for a theist viewpoint since everything started from one singularity, all life came to beign from an infinitely small dot.
How do you explain that?

One small thing pushed so many things in such order.

The fact that BB calc shows that the universe was different back then, doesn't really show that math and physics were different. All it shows is that we don't know. Why? Because if math and physics were different a million years ago, we might not get BB using that math instead.

No. You're still avoiding my question, how was physics different?? Or math 

[BADecker]

God only exists in your mind.  Ask him to post here.

He cannot because he is not real.  You have been lied to. End of story.

You are simply blocking your mind from acknowledging God. God is posting in this forum through me.

ROFL.  Of course, he is.

Ask yourself, why is he posting through you, and not by himself?

Is it too difficult for you to think a little? Remember how Jesus said, Ask and it shall be given to you?...

Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

What have you asked by your desire that God not exist for you? You have asked that He not post... at least anywhere that you might see it. After all, you don't want Him to exist, and He is gracious enough to answer you about this.

But then you go and ask Him to post - at the same time you ask Him to not exist - so how does He answer your two opposite requests?

The answer is that He posts through me, so that you aren't forced to acknowledge Him (as you are asking), and so, at the same time, He posts (as you are asking).

Of course you aren't smart enough to figure this out on your own. So God has given me the answer so that I can tell it to you. After all, He loves you enough that He wants you to change and be saved.

[BADecker]

No. You're still avoiding my question, how was physics different?? Or math  

If I seem to be avoiding your question, it's because I wasn't back then to see how it was different. However, BB theory shows that it was different. How does BB Theory show that it was different? Like this.

BB Theory shows us that at the time of BB and for several million years following, the universe was different. Did you catch that? DIFFERENT!!!

The fact that BB Theory doesn't explain how BB times could be different, without math and physics being different, and without "time" being different, shows that BB is just a guess or science fiction story.

BB Theory builds BB up at the same exact time it tears BB down.

I don't think it can be said any clearer. If you can't understand that BB is only a guess from this, it's because you don't want to. And if you don't want to, it's because BB is becoming a religion for you.

Since there is no BB, we only have two choices for how the Universe came into existence:
1. God;
2. We don't know.

God is the stronger choice, because machines have makers. Atheism is simply another false religion.

[BADecker]

How do you know that Jesus is posting through you not that you are posting whatever you want?

Do you hear him telling you stuff?  

Now, for the real test:  Jesus, please stop posting through BADecker, post by yourself.  

PS.  That is the problem with imaginary characters, sometimes they listen, sometimes they don't, but they can never do stuff in the real world by themselves.  LOL.

I am not trying to say that everything I post is something that God directs me to post. I'm not even saying that He is always pleased with what I post.

When I post the things He says, His word in the quotes from the Bible, He is posting through me. Some of the time He is posting through me when I express His ideals in my own wording.

When you ask Him to post Himself, you are teasing Him. But He does through me when you see the quoted owrds that I quote from the Bible.

You are making it very hard for Him to save you. Your choice, however. Please remind me that I told you so, in the Judgment.

[BADecker]

How do you know that Jesus is posting through you not that you are posting whatever you want?

Do you hear him telling you stuff?  

Now, for the real test:  Jesus, please stop posting through BADecker, post by yourself.  

PS.  That is the problem with imaginary characters, sometimes they listen, sometimes they don't, but they can never do stuff in the real world by themselves.  LOL.

I am not trying to say that everything I post is something that God directs me to post. I'm not even saying that He is always pleased with what I post.

When I post the things He says, His word in the quotes from the Bible, He is posting through me. Some of the time He is posting through me when I express His ideals in my own wording.

When you ask Him to post Himself, you are teasing Him. But He does through me when you see the quoted owrds that I quote from the Bible.

You are making it very hard for Him to save you. Your choice, however. Please remind me that I told you so, in the Judgment.

So he cannot post by himself, right?

Wrong.     

[BADecker]

Let's see it.  Pray to your God to post here, or take your God and shove it up yours.

How about this?  No post by God = no God.

Fair?

God can't deny Himself. But is isn't necessarily going to play your game. You have all the evidence for Him that you need, to know that He exists, right in nature.

[BADecker]

Let's see it.  Pray to your God to post here, or take your God and shove it up yours.

How about this?  No post by God = no God.

Fair?

God can't deny Himself. But is isn't necessarily going to play your game. You have all the evidence for Him that you need, to know that He exists, right in nature.

In other words, he is imaginary and he can do squat in the real world.

Anywho, carry on.

In other words, He isn't going to let you and your foolishness dictate to His holiness.

[notbatman]

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[styca]

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Yep, that's basically it. Well, apart from the images.
Timescale is the thing that throws most people. Billions of years is not something that humans can comprehend. I know you don't believe in gravity, but all you need for the universe around you is the laws of physics, plus a load of energy, then watch it expand into space and time.

Not sure what your problem with 'mass' is. Mass is just a manifestation of energy. E=mc².

[notbatman]

...Book of Gravity 33:13...

...Yep, that's basically it...

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[styca]

Science is awe-inspiring once you understand it. Go on, give it a go.

[notbatman]

^^^ You confuse unproven theory with the scientific method of observable, testable, measurable facts. What you have is a belief system and you sir, are a jackass.

There's no scientific proof for gravity, the big bang, outer space, planets, the globe, time-spans of billions of years, or evolution.

You're Hillary Clinton accusing Trump of Russian collusion while selling the majority of the country's supply of uranium to Russia. You're the Jew crying out in pain as he strikes. It's you that can't science!

[styca]

There's no scientific proof for gravity, the big bang, outer space, planets, the globe, time-spans of billions of years, or evolution.

Do you think there is scientific proof for anything? I'm not trying to be rude. I know what science you don't believe in, I just want to understand what science you do believe in.

[notbatman]

^^^ Science isn't a belief system! The scientific method employs observable, testable, measurable facts; it's empirical not faith based.