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July 29, 2019, 03:07:53 AM
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Maybe a bit of a bias here: of course you think you deserve your rank, considering you are a legendary user.

Get the fuck out of here.

You are trying to find bias in a post that is based on substance and logic.

Do you actually understand that there was a system, less than 2 years ago, that allowed members to rank up based on activity, which is partly a product of post count and time?

Do you believe that those members who ranked up during that time and under those rules don't deserve their rank?  If anyone is biased, it is you, and you are both envious and unable to accept prior historical rules that were different but carry on into the present.  Instead, what the fuck do you want?  You want to start over?  That would make even less sense.

Okay, nice wait to start with "get the fuck out of here". I'm not trying to find anything, that's where you seem to be confused.

You started out by responding to my above post with a suggestion that the substance of my post was motivated by bias, and perhaps that is part of the reason that I am starting out my earlier post by telling you to get the fuck out of here.


I have no idea what you are referring to when you say "substance and logic" without providing either.

There is substance in logic in my earlier post in which I was criticizing any superficial generalization that are asserting that members who earned their ranks under the previous system were not deserving.  I suggested that such generalization were not fair without specific evidence about the members behavior or something more specific than just asserting some kind of suggestion that it was not fair to rank up under the previous system because it was easier and did not require obtaining merits.

Yes, I am aware of the old merit system, paternalism at it's finest.

We don't have an old merit system.  We just have a new merit system that was implemented on January 24, 2018.  Before that date, there was no merit system.

So, I am a bit confused about your reference to an "old merit system" and what you are attempting to contrast or criticize, exactly with such assertion that paternalism exists.

There is a concept of grandfather clause which applies when a new system is developed but you allow members to keep their benefits of status that was earned under the old system.  I am not sure if that is what you are meaning when you say paternalism, because grandfather clause is a system of fairness and paternalism suggest nepotism, which is a different kind of situation that I doubt is happening in this forum, at least not to any kind of sense that is close to your superficial reference, unless you would like to explain what you mean, a bit better?


Never said anything about not deserving a rank, nor starting over. "you are both envious and unable to accept prior historical rules", how many fallacies can we rack up here? Classic Ad hominem.

I was just attempting to respond to your assertion that was baloney suggesting that I was biased.. so I am not sure if I was employing any fallacies in my attempted rebuttal and denial of your baloney, as you would like to suggest.

So what exactly did you accomplish here besides ranting and blindly spewing insults? Nothing, so I suggest you try again and provide some substance.


I responded.  Seems to have been an accomplishment by responding.  Of course, you disagree, so maybe we don't need to pursue it any further.


You are pointing out nonsense because of your own inner and seemingly unjustified resentment about history.

Again, you are appealing to emotion. Not going to even start on this one.

The rest of your post consists of more circular reasoning and agreements which aren't really relevant here.
You seem quite the self-appointed expert on various kinds of employed logic, or lack thereof.  Congrats.


Deciding to cut the post here.

Might be good for you to cut because you did not seem to have a lot to say, anyhow in terms of the initial points that I had made in my first post in this back and forth.

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July 29, 2019, 05:17:20 AM
Merited by LoyceV (2), JayJuanGee (1), nutildah (1)
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Instead of wasting your time debating on legendary users with or without merit, why not forcus that energy into building your account? Get off meta explore other boards out there. There are enough merit to rank up whoever whats to rank up out there, work for it and you recieved them. Irrespective of how the old system worked, you don't deprived users a privilege they have recieved just because you feel the system isn't fair to you. They earned their spot as early users of forum and possibly early bitcoin adopters. Not recieving merit doesn't general mean you're an unproductive user of the forum.

On a general note, these guys (legendary users) are presume to not need merit just because they have achieved the highest rank possible, merit can get them. Therefore must of their quality contributions goes unrewarded which shouldn't be so. Give them a break.

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July 29, 2019, 05:31:57 AM
Merited by LoyceV (2)
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On a general note, these guys (legendary users) are presume to not need merit just because they have achieved the highest rank possible, merit can get them. Therefore must of their quality contributions goes unrewarded which shouldn't be so. Give them a break.

There seems to be 2 schools of thought regarding this.

One is what you're saying, and indeed I would rather give a merit to someone who is still trying to rank up than a Legendary. However, I do give out more merits to Legendaries than I should, simply because I tend to interact with them more, as the crowd I roll with.

The other is that Legendaries get more merits than they should simply because they are Legendaries... As I type that I realize it doesn't make much sense, but that's what some people truly believe.

For me, I was on a mission to prove to myself that I could become a "self-made Legendary," and then it happened just yesterday, 1.5 years after the introduction of the merit system. It took me less time to become a self-made Legendary than it did a Legendary.

Anyway, I don't comment in this thread much, and I don't remember how I got here, but I'm sending you a merit for your post.

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July 29, 2019, 05:57:34 AM
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I am a newbie here. Hope I can rise up in rank in no time. Any suggestion from old members here? Thanks
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July 29, 2019, 06:12:13 AM
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I am a newbie here. Hope I can rise up in rank in no time. Any suggestion from old members here? Thanks
As they always say. Contribute here on the forum

Share your knowledge regarding cryptocurrency if you are an expert on it however, if you are a newbie like me then you must read some helpful threads on this forum first and forget ranking up for the meantime. Old members and even new members contributed here on the forum in their own ways so you can do it too but not now. Don't rush on ranking up, rush up on getting information and then help here Wink

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July 29, 2019, 06:31:19 AM
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Instead of wasting your time debating on legendary users with or without merit, why not forcus that energy into building your account?
This is the reason I edited my post with this note
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I am out of the endless discussion, because merit system will be here, will work as we have all seen, there is no need to discuss about merit system and request to lessen rank requirements.

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July 30, 2019, 06:34:10 AM
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I am a newbie here. Hope I can rise up in rank in no time. Any suggestion from old members here? Thanks
Welcome, rising in this forum is dependent on you and your attitude, character and zeal. There is no rising without reasoning and knowledge. Avoid repeating  questions post for example let this be the first and last time you make this type of post(it will only fill up your post count and post history matters in your rising).
Don't just make a post for merit alone there are possibilities that you might flop at it. Make a post to your understanding or wanting to know more. Merit is never scarce it's only that merit deserving post from newbies are fast running out of gas.
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July 30, 2019, 07:24:41 AM
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On a general note, these guys (legendary users) are presume to not need merit just because they have achieved the highest rank possible, merit can get them. Therefore must of their quality contributions goes unrewarded which shouldn't be so. Give them a break.
Anyway, I don't comment in this thread much, and I don't remember how I got here, but I'm sending you a merit for your post.

Neither do I but once in a blue moon i view the thread to see if there's any discussion in need of my input or a confused newbie seeking for clarification. Just hope that reply of mine puts them back on track. So the meriting was it because the post deserve one or you just felt like sending me one because that's how you sounded like Grin. Seems you're very active (meriting) but we just encountered for the first time.

Instead of wasting your time debating on legendary users with or without merit, why not forcus that energy into building your account?
This is the reason I edited my post with this note

The message wasn't intended for you since you werent on the supporting side of the discussion like the newbies thinking the legendary member don't deserve their rank just because they haven't earned any merit.

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July 31, 2019, 08:22:20 AM
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On which ways is there possible to get the marit points? I'd like to merit someone right now but don't have points - so in this case I can not merit him? Right?
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July 31, 2019, 08:28:29 AM
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On which ways is there possible to get the marit points?
Make good posts, contribute, be an actual member of the forum and people will merit you. Obly here for the bounties and spam? Then good luck.

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If you want to merit someone you need to get merits yourself first. For every 2 merits you get, you can give 1 merit.

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July 31, 2019, 08:28:45 AM
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On which ways is there possible to get the marit points? I'd like to merit someone right now but don't have points - so in this case I can not merit him? Right?

Reading just the first rows of the first post of this thread would answer this question.
Why should I bother explaining you, when you don't put the minimum required effort?

Also the weird logic: you want to send merits, but you don't know how to receive merits in the first place.

After carefully reading that post, you may head to one of the many guides on how to get merits in the Beginners and Help Sections:

I blatantly suggest to read my guide on how to get merits: Ranking up is Possible! My top 11 Hints!

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On which ways is there possible to get the marit points? I'd like to merit someone right now but don't have points - so in this case I can not merit him? Right?
Merit, not marit.
In order to get merits, you have to publish something helpful. One of the most important thing that contribute to quality of your posts is your language.
There are two main places for you to get merits:
- Your local board: in which you can use your local language. It will be easier for you, but there are some boards that have not yet had merit sources. Merit circulation in those boards is less actively than boards that have merit sources.
- Beyond local board: It means you will have to use English for your posts. If you have good idea, but your posts are written in English-broken, they will be useless.
There are some good English books for you (in case you do not have good English skills).
Collections for someone who would like to improve English skills
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August 01, 2019, 07:53:31 AM
Last edit: August 02, 2019, 05:53:54 AM by fillippone
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<SNIP> big, because it's a long snip

Well,
this was an interesting point.
JJG, you made me reconsider  the Cockiness of my "Self made Hero Member +merits - activity" personal text , so I decided to change it to something more humble and respectful for other members.
No sarcasm, true story.
 

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LoyceV
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August 01, 2019, 08:01:28 AM
Last edit: August 01, 2019, 09:25:13 AM by LoyceV
 #6054

There seems to be 2 schools of thought regarding this.

One is what you're saying, and indeed I would rather give a merit to someone who is still trying to rank up than a Legendary. However, I do give out more merits to Legendaries than I should, simply because I tend to interact with them more, as the crowd I roll with.

The other is that Legendaries get more merits than they should simply because they are Legendaries... As I type that I realize it doesn't make much sense, but that's what some people truly believe.
I think it depends if the Merit sender is short on Merit or not. If you're not a Merit source, I can imagine you prefer to send the few sMerit to a user who "needs" it (as long as their posts are good). But if you're loaded in sMerit and have a hard time trying to use them all, you can just as well send them to Legendary users too.

However, since I've received Merit from 413 unique users, and I had a Legendary rank already when Merit was introduced, it's safe to say many users Merit higher ranks too.

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August 01, 2019, 11:45:54 PM
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Update:

Time series plots:

(1) Intra-day merits:
Full dataset:

Truncated dataset:

(2) Merits over days of week:
Outliers displayed as red circles.

Outliers non-displayed.

(3) Median and interquartile range of intra-day merits over weeks

(4) Intra-week merits:


For more details, please get them there:
Time Series Analysis on Distributed Merits in the forum (daily, weekly, monthly)
Observation on interquartile range of intra-day merits with time series plot

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JayJuanGee
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August 02, 2019, 12:27:57 AM
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<SNIP> big, because it's a long snip

Well,
this was an interesting point.
JJG, you made me reconsider  the Cockiness of my "Self made Hero Member +merits - activity" personal tex , so I decided to change it to something more humble and respectful for other members.
No sarcasm, true story.

Fair enough.  I do understand that it can feel quite good to receive merits from other members, yet it also seems that the number of merits next to your name does kind of speak for itself - and surely some research can be done to clarify, too regarding whether the merits next to the name of any member were received by airdrop or through other members after the merit system implementation.     

I am glad that you considered my opinions and found them helpful, and truly I will not be offended if you were to reverse yourself and decide to go back to your earlier mantra, either.

1) Self-Custody is a right.  There is no such thing as "non-custodial" or "un-hosted."  2) ESG, KYC & AML are attack-vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized.  3) How much alt (shit)coin diversification is necessary? if you are into Bitcoin, then 0%......if you cannot control your gambling, then perhaps limit your alt(shit)coin exposure to less than 10% of your bitcoin size...Put BTC here: bc1q49wt0ddnj07wzzp6z7affw9ven7fztyhevqu9k
tranthidung
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August 03, 2019, 01:20:04 PM
Last edit: August 05, 2019, 05:54:37 AM by tranthidung
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Update:
There are some basic statistics on intra-day, intra-week, and intra-month merits.
(2) Median of intraday merits over the period is 637;
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(1)   The median of intra-week merits is 4526;
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(1)   The median of intra-month merits is 20408;

Time series plots:

(1) Intra-day merits:
Full dataset:

Truncated dataset:

(2) Merits over days of week:
Outliers displayed as red circles.

Outliers non-displayed.

(3) Intra-week merits:

(4) Intra-month merits:

(5) Time series plot of median and interquartile range



For more details, please get them there:
Time Series Analysis on Distributed Merits in the forum (daily, weekly, monthly)
Observation on interquartile range of intra-day merits with time series plot

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August 11, 2019, 03:39:24 AM
Last edit: September 13, 2019, 01:51:51 AM by tranthidung
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Update:

ABSTRACT
Intraday merits:
- Median of intraday merits over the period is 629;
- Minimum and maximum of intraday merits (full dataset) are 295 - that is a new all-time-low, and 13018, on 03/8/2019 and 24/1/2018, respectively.
Intraweek merits:
- Median of intra-week merits is 4526;
- Minimum and maximum of intra-week merits are 3072 and 30960, in 2018w35, and 2018w4, respectively;


Time series plots:

(1) Intra-day merits:
Full dataset:

Truncated dataset:

(2) Merits over days of week:
Outliers displayed as red circles.

Outliers non-displayed.

(3) Intra-week merits:

(4) Time series plot of median and interquartile range



For more details, please get them there:
Time Series Analysis on Distributed Merits in the forum (daily, weekly, monthly)
Observation on interquartile range of intra-day merits with time series plot

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August 16, 2019, 05:12:55 PM
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Why give @theymos so much Merit in this post? Huh He has no need for it  Grin Grin Grin

Keep those Merits for us!
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August 16, 2019, 05:17:52 PM
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Why give @theymos so much Merit in this post? Huh He has no need for it  Grin Grin Grin

Keep those Merits for us!
They say that to quell the beast, the sources must supply it with merit for each new feature created. 'Tis a curse and a blessing indeed.

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