🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread

[Bttzed03]

Against Pereira, I fear for Adesanya tbh.  The Pereira guy has serious powerrr in those hands.  But yeah...  It isn't just about Pereira to pressure Adesanya into going all out vs him.  I mean after how Adesanya's last match turned out, he'll def be pressured to perform.  And he could get starched.  ;/

Izzy will likely out point him, just like in their kick boxing matches, it was almost domination in terms of point fighting, but Alex has that power. They don't call him stone hands for nothing. Man can punch, and we need that threat, but also that rivalry to really wake up Izzy. His style of fighting gets him the wins, although the one with Whittaker recently was very close, but ultimately it doesn't entertain the fans.

I watched their kickboxing match on youtube the other day. I though Izzy landed clean punches that clearly hurt Pereira but couldn't put him out completely. Maybe it's the difference in gloves or Alex has a tough chin because that could have KO anyone else. If Izzy could be dominant like that in the first two rounds using MMA gloves, I think it will be a different story.

[TopTort777]

We are discussing what has happened 5 years ago. During that time both improved their striking and defensive skills. Adesanya has 4 times more fights under mma rules. He wont go forward on Pereira like a locomotion, he will use hints and tricks. If these two fighters meet, the one who has more skills in ground and pound is gonna win, as I think Adesanya will try to get Alex to the ground.

[Welsh]

I don't think Izzy will take him to the ground, it's not his preferred place to be, and quite frankly he'll be confident in his abilities. You only have to hear him talk, and he tries to tell people he was up until he got knocked out. Now, that doesn't really matter if you got knocked out, but he's right. I also am in agreement that MMA gloves could change it, although I do get the impression Alex is tough. Although, he has been knocked out himself a few times in kickboxing.

Izzy is going to land a lot I'd imagine. What would be more impressive to me is if Alex tries to mix in the threat of take downs. So, go for one early on. That, might actually make Izzy a little more shy at throwing punches, and therefore allows Alex to get closer for those hooks he loves to throw.

[buwaytress]

I watch the UFC every weekend, and this thread isn't congested by loads of people trying to earn money, talking about random things. Usually, it's confined to betting, and discussion around certain fighters, where I find the football threads here tend to deviate a lot. Although, it's also off season for football, I don't watch internationals, and only watch the Premier League, so when that starts back up, I'll be involved a bit more again.

Yeah, I find myself gravitating away from the mess in other threads. Have started trying to report more after that nudge in Meta a couple of weeks ago, too soon to say if improving, and judging from high number of unhandled maybe I should take it easy (soft bad reports make me feel bad heh).

I've been trying to see the action in non-football threads too but cricket and esports is beyond me really. Least UFC plenty of (organic?) action.

I can make mistakes so don't listen my predictions blindly, but I like betting more on underdogs in UFC, or special events and fights going to distance or not.
For next UFC event I am still not sure for all fights, but I think that Said Nurmagomedov vs Silva de Andrade won't go to distance and Nurmagomedov should win.
Odds in co-main event are decent on Caio Borralho and I think he is going to win, with his big reach advantage.
In prelims Kennedy Nzechukwu should win and odds are nice on him, but so far I can't find any underdog for potential upset.

Nah I never hold anyone to bets, and never bet so much on a tip that I'd regret it. Maybe when I'm super rish or something, sure. All fun.

Nurmagomedov's on my prediction too -- have to say I seem to be betting on names more than odds when I can't see a clearcut difference (ultimate degen move?).

Going the distance is where I see the big lines too, but results also reflect that -- no fight did outside the main in last 3 events.

[Welsh]

Yeah, I find myself gravitating away from the mess in other threads. Have started trying to report more after that nudge in Meta a couple of weeks ago, too soon to say if improving, and judging from high number of unhandled maybe I should take it easy (soft bad reports make me feel bad heh).

I'll be starting to report them soon. I'm not all that bothered by unhandled reports.

Going the distance is where I see the big lines too, but results also reflect that -- no fight did outside the main in last 3 events.

Absolutely, especially when they're heavyweights. The thing is about most heavyweights, especially unranked or lowly ranked ones, they gas out so quickly so apart from the first round, they're usually clinging onto one another. I honestly, believe it's one of the best lines to bet on if you want to nudge up that profit. I've done it a few times, and been successful, but since I always put accumulators on I don't usually benefit from them, until the other week when everything came in.

[YuginKadoya]

Only if wrestling and ground game are not mumbo jumbo for Pereira. I believe that he can out strike Vettori, I bet his is better than Costa in stance. But what if Costa wont be having a hangover and decided to prove his BJJ black belt skills. What if Costa wont be that dumb to figure out who is better in striking (however he holds a record of 11 KO among 13 wins) and show his BJJ technics that he is so proud of (the moment when he threw white belt into Adesanya).

Well, based on the fight patterns of Paulo Costa he has so much pride that he thinks he can beat Israel Adesanya on stand-up, and even missed Weight in his fight with Vettori, I think that fight against Israel Adesanya really consumes him so much, Izzy really got into his head and now Costa is not himself anymore, in his recent news he has been accused on hitting a nurse with an elbow, over a covid-19 vaccination card on brazil, I think his mind is not stable anymore and keeps on thinking that he won that Adesanya fight, and after that a not focus Costa faced Vettori, so I think that Pereira has the advantage when it comes on both these fighters,

Don't get me wrong, Izzy has pretty much beat everyone that he can in his division. I was worried about Costa a while ago, but he provided himself decisively in that fight. I want to see Izzy styling on his opponents, because he's very capable of it.

Alex might be able to pressure that out of him, here's to hoping anyway. Anyway, for this weekend I'm probably going to give it a miss from a betting perspective. I'll still get my picks out closer to the date, but I'm really not fancying many of the fighters, and while the card might turn out to be a banger, I'm not overly familiar with everyone on it. 

Well, I think I will give a chance on Alex Pereira, but Israel Adesanya will still be my favorite fighter in the Middleweight, even though his fight result was not a knockout anymore, I still enjoyed his fights, and I got to admit I thought the Jared Cannonier will be a hard fight for him, he proves that he really dominates Cannonier with his style, Israel Adesanya have come a long way, and I really think that the loss from Pereira still lingers in him that is why he was very vocal when it comes to Pereira, and he might be readying to face his demons again, which is I think a great fight to watch,

And I am also not very fond of this UFC event aswell, so I will not be putting my bet for this but will surely give predictions on a closer dates,

[Balmain]

Against Pereira, I fear for Adesanya tbh.  The Pereira guy has serious powerrr in those hands.  But yeah...  It isn't just about Pereira to pressure Adesanya into going all out vs him.  I mean after how Adesanya's last match turned out, he'll def be pressured to perform.  And he could get starched.  ;/

Izzy will likely out point him, just like in their kick boxing matches, it was almost domination in terms of point fighting, but Alex has that power. They don't call him stone hands for nothing. Man can punch, and we need that threat, but also that rivalry to really wake up Izzy. His style of fighting gets him the wins, although the one with Whittaker recently was very close, but ultimately it doesn't entertain the fans.

I watched their kickboxing match on youtube the other day. I though Izzy landed clean punches that clearly hurt Pereira but couldn't put him out completely. Maybe it's the difference in gloves or Alex has a tough chin because that could have KO anyone else. If Izzy could be dominant like that in the first two rounds using MMA gloves, I think it will be a different story.

I watched this kickboxing match too. As Izzy dominates this kickboxing match, she unexpectedly falls down with a left hook and is unable to get up. I don't know, it's been 5 years and Izzy has come a long way. I really want this match to happen, but here is the Cage and the gloves are smaller, there is a lot of difference. Izzy has gotten a lot better in this meta, I can say that his focus in the match has increased a lot, so I see very little chance of making a mistake against Perreria.

[cabron]

Against Pereira, I fear for Adesanya tbh.  The Pereira guy has serious powerrr in those hands.  But yeah...  It isn't just about Pereira to pressure Adesanya into going all out vs him.  I mean after how Adesanya's last match turned out, he'll def be pressured to perform.  And he could get starched.  ;/

Izzy will likely out point him, just like in their kick boxing matches, it was almost domination in terms of point fighting, but Alex has that power. They don't call him stone hands for nothing. Man can punch, and we need that threat, but also that rivalry to really wake up Izzy. His style of fighting gets him the wins, although the one with Whittaker recently was very close, but ultimately it doesn't entertain the fans.

I watched their kickboxing match on youtube the other day. I though Izzy landed clean punches that clearly hurt Pereira but couldn't put him out completely. Maybe it's the difference in gloves or Alex has a tough chin because that could have KO anyone else. If Izzy could be dominant like that in the first two rounds using MMA gloves, I think it will be a different story.

I watched this kickboxing match too. As Izzy dominates this kickboxing match, she unexpectedly falls down with a left hook and is unable to get up. I don't know, it's been 5 years and Izzy has come a long way. I really want this match to happen, but here is the Cage and the gloves are smaller, there is a lot of difference. Izzy has gotten a lot better in this meta, I can say that his focus in the match has increased a lot, so I see very little chance of making a mistake against Perreria.

This is a mind game for Pereira, he wants to intimidate Izzy.

We know Izzy is not what he was back then, he had improved greatly since and there is no doubt he can beat a lot of people in this division. But once a person faces someone who had once defeated him, there is a fear he can feel that he needs to over come. Until Izzy can't find a way to throw big shots against Pereira to show he can fight back this time, he will feel it.

[YuginKadoya]

I watched this kickboxing match too. As Izzy dominates this kickboxing match, she unexpectedly falls down with a left hook and is unable to get up. I don't know, it's been 5 years and Izzy has come a long way. I really want this match to happen, but here is the Cage and the gloves are smaller, there is a lot of difference. Izzy has gotten a lot better in this meta, I can say that his focus in the match has increased a lot, so I see very little chance of making a mistake against Perreria.

It was truly a dominating Adesanya inside the ring, but from that time Israel Adesanya's movement was not really slick or doesn't have a technical approach over Pereira, but he got the Accuracy but Alex Pereira just like what happened to Sean Strickland Alex Pereira can download your movement memorizing you clearly then he can counter or execute his devastating left hook, that is what happens with Adesanya being knockout by Alex Pereira, but for me, I think Adesanya is surely known and have already anticipated this on Pereira he can also be safe when it comes to hard-hitting opponents, and this is MMA everything can sure happen,

This is a mind game for Pereira, he wants to intimidate Izzy.

We know Izzy is not what he was back then, he had improved greatly since and there is no doubt he can beat a lot of people in this division. But once a person faces someone who had once defeated him, there is a fear he can feel that he needs to over come. Until Izzy can't find a way to throw big shots against Pereira to show he can fight back this time, he will feel it.

Yup! I agree, that there is lingering fear on the part of Israel Adesanya which is why he is very vocal when people are talking about what happened to him and Pereira, he is always saying to watch the whole fight, that he is dominating the fight, but I really think this is only an excuse and a bad excuse for Israel Adesanya, he shouldn't be affected by those doubting him he is the champion he has climbed up to the top on his own, and shown that he surely dominates the middleweight division, so I think he doesn't need to worry so much,

[tokeweed]

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Against Pereira, I fear for Adesanya tbh.  The Pereira guy has serious powerrr in those hands.  But yeah...  It isn't just about Pereira to pressure Adesanya into going all out vs him.  I mean after how Adesanya's last match turned out, he'll def be pressured to perform.  And he could get starched.  ;/

Izzy will likely out point him, just like in their kick boxing matches, it was almost domination in terms of point fighting, but Alex has that power. They don't call him stone hands for nothing. Man can punch, and we need that threat, but also that rivalry to really wake up Izzy. His style of fighting gets him the wins, although the one with Whittaker recently was very close, but ultimately it doesn't entertain the fans.

Adesanya def could out point Pereira but Adesanya isn't 100% unhittable.  Just one touch from that guy in those 4 ounce gloves, Adesanya sleeps.  He was slept by Pereira with the bigger gloves they use in kickboxing.  So there's prolly some doubt in Adesanya's mind if he can really beat this guy as he was already between twice by Pereira.  

Some replays of those guys in the main event.  Enjoy...

UFC Free Fight:  Fiziev vs Moicano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5k3ci-Rr_c

UFC Free Fight:  RDA vs Felder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ODk1Oja8dM

I regret putting Fiziev high up in my lottery ticket.  Lol.

[notblox1]

Against Pereira, I fear for Adesanya tbh.  The Pereira guy has serious powerrr in those hands.  But yeah...  It isn't just about Pereira to pressure Adesanya into going all out vs him.  I mean after how Adesanya's last match turned out, he'll def be pressured to perform.  And he could get starched.

Don't be scared about him, you are not going into cage with him  
This could be hardest fight for Adesanya but mostly mentally because I think he improved a lot since he lost fights from Pereira in kickboxing.
He is in great form and both of them have same reach without advantage, but I think he is better skilled to fight all five rounds.

I don't think Izzy will take him to the ground, it's not his preferred place to be, and quite frankly he'll be confident in his abilities.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.
If you watched his last fight with Cannonier and fights before that, you could see that he made massive improvements on ground game.
He has big advantage there, he is well rounded everywhere, and he fights better against fighters that attack like Pereiera.

[YuginKadoya]

Adesanya def could out point Pereira but Adesanya isn't 100% unhittable.  Just one touch from that guy in those 4 ounce gloves, Adesanya sleeps.  He was slept by Pereira with the bigger gloves they use in kickboxing.  So there's prolly some doubt in Adesanya's mind if he can really beat this guy as he was already between twice by Pereira.  

If Israel Adesanya's pacing is changing here then Alex Pereira can not read him, this is my take Alex Pereira can memories and download his opponent's movements, and from that, he can surely throw his killer left hook that makes Adesanya and Strickland feel the canvas, if Israel Adesanya could make his movement unreadable then he can make Pereira miserable in their fight, or unpredictable, well you can surely say that Israel Adesanya sometimes is unpredictable so I think Israel Adesanya can still have the advantage when he face Pereira for the 3rd time, and this time through the combat sports that Adesanya dominates,

I wouldn't be so sure about that.
If you watched his last fight with Cannonier and fights before that, you could see that he made massive improvements on ground game.
He has big advantage there, he is well rounded everywhere, and he fights better against fighters that attack like Pereiera.

Yup! it is certain that Adesanya will not result in his fight into the ground, he is the style bender and he got his own style in winning a fight, I think he is ready for Pereira, it is just his very conscience because of what happened to their fight last time, Pereira is his nightmare and I think it was Pereira the reason he has entered into MMA, and exited Kickboxing,


Well, update on Pedro Munhoz's eye poke incident, well because there are a lot of people saying that Pedro Munhoz is finding ta way to get out of his situation by fighting Sean O'Malley I really think that it is out of Character for Pedro Munhoz to be quitting from a fight and this is the 1st time he did this, after the fight, Pedro Munhoz was backlashed by critics that he is quieter while some YouTubers was saying that it was the punch of Sean O'Malley that hurt the eye of Pedro Munhoz, but in my opinion, the medical reports never lie, that this was an eye poke it was the right eye scratch to his cornea, I know there may be fans of Sean O'Malley here we can debate about this, and I think it was an eye poke, and right now because of that Pedro Munhoz is in a bad condition right now, and they never know when that eye would heal,

Here is O'Malley's tweet that it was a punch, not a poke and they are saying it was the left eye but Munhoz is saying it was a poke on the right eye,

[bittraffic]

Pereira is nothing to Adesanya this time. He just talk so much but when they are going to be on the stage Adesanya will put an end to this guy. The reason why Pereira seem to be so relax in the press conference is because he doesn't understand what Israel is saying.

Its true he could be making a good attention and Dana would love something like this because its his business of course. It will be interesting how the odds will be if the 2 fight.

[Welsh]

I wouldn't be so sure about that.
If you watched his last fight with Cannonier and fights before that, you could see that he made massive improvements on ground game.
He has big advantage there, he is well rounded everywhere, and he fights better against fighters that attack like Pereiera.

I can't recall it hitting the ground against Cannonier? Except for once at the end of the round? I don't know, I've slept since then . I know Izzy has fantastic takedown defense, he has had that for a while. The only time I recall him being taken down properly recently was against Jan, who dominated, but understandably so considering the weight advantage.

Yeah, Izzy is probably one of the best counter punches around, and Alex might just fall into that trap. Alex doesn't have fantastic head movement or ways of avoiding getting hit himself, so I expect Izzy basically to have free shots. I don't see Alex winning via points, that's for sure. He'll either get the knockout, lose on points or get knocked out himself.

I will be supporting Izzy, I'm just excited that he'll at least be challenged, due to the history of the two fighters. I want to see Izzy challenged, in an exciting way rather than the usual domination of points fighting.

[TopTort777]

Well, update on Pedro Munhoz's eye poke inciden

I think I have posted 3 or 4 times in this topic during last years - UFC must change their gloves or made them close to Pride gloves. I think every quarter someone gets accidentally poked. UFC knows their issue with gloves, Dana knows there is an issue with gloves. They always replay with "it was an accident, no one wanted to do that on purpose", but fights keep being spoiled.

I dont understand why UFC let go this issue so easily or try to act there is nothing worth taking action in that case. Maybe they are bounded with contracts, rules, manufacturers, I dont know what else. But Dana and owners would piss with fire if some of their major fights (for example return of McGregor) would be spoiled due to eye poking.

[Welsh]

Right prediction time. Obviously, I've previously said I won't be betting on this event. Too many close calls, and to be honest I'm not overly familiar with a lot of the fighters on the card. Anyway:

Saidyokub Kakhramonov
Karl Roberson
David Onama
Cody Brundage
Antonina Shevchenko
Aiemann Zahabi
Jamie Mullarkey
Nina Nunes
Jared Vanderaa
Silva de Andrade
Armen Petrosyan
Rafael Fiziev

This card is underrated now looking at all those names, David Onama, Jamie Mullarkey, Petrosyan, and Andrade. This card is quietly a good one, too good to bet on. There's so many close fights that I don't feel comfortable betting on a winner. I might look at some going the distance, and not though. I think that's where the money will be.

I can't stress it enough, no one listen to these predictions above in terms of betting. I'm literally not confident on 80-90% of them.

[TheNineClub]

Well, update on Pedro Munhoz's eye poke inciden

I think I have posted 3 or 4 times in this topic during last years - UFC must change their gloves or made them close to Pride gloves. I think every quarter someone gets accidentally poked. UFC knows their issue with gloves, Dana knows there is an issue with gloves. They always replay with "it was an accident, no one wanted to do that on purpose", but fights keep being spoiled.

I dont understand why UFC let go this issue so easily or try to act there is nothing worth taking action in that case. Maybe they are bounded with contracts, rules, manufacturers, I dont know what else. But Dana and owners would piss with fire if some of their major fights (for example return of McGregor) would be spoiled due to eye poking.

This is a topic going on for the last 5 years (maybe longer, can't remember). No, it's nothing contractual or manufactural, it seems like just dumb stubbornness on the part of the UFC brass, it reads something like 'We invented MMA, we invented the gloves, our gloves are the best, getting other gloves would be acknowledging that something of ours is at fault'. Same like on the Reebok design shirts Maybe I am wrong about it, but UFC brass decision history makes me lean toward it being correct

[tokeweed]

Adesanya def could out point Pereira but Adesanya isn't 100% unhittable.  Just one touch from that guy in those 4 ounce gloves, Adesanya sleeps.  He was slept by Pereira with the bigger gloves they use in kickboxing.  So there's prolly some doubt in Adesanya's mind if he can really beat this guy as he was already between twice by Pereira.  

If Israel Adesanya's pacing is changing here then Alex Pereira can not read him, this is my take Alex Pereira can memories and download his opponent's movements, and from that, he can surely throw his killer left hook that makes Adesanya and Strickland feel the canvas, if Israel Adesanya could make his movement unreadable then he can make Pereira miserable in their fight, or unpredictable, well you can surely say that Israel Adesanya sometimes is unpredictable so I think Israel Adesanya can still have the advantage when he face Pereira for the 3rd time, and this time through the combat sports that Adesanya dominates,

But here's the thing tho Pereira knows Adesanya and has already won vs Adesanya twice in kick boxing.  Yeah sure it's a different sport but Adesanya isn't really known for his wrestling and doesn't do much of any grappling except for defending against it.

It's going to be a very interesting match up...  Something which Adesanya won't be too keen to engage imho.

Here are the weigh in results for the event.  The Pickett vs Tiuliulin was rescheduled to another event, so it's just 11 UFC matches for the weekend. 

Rafael dos Anjos (156) vs Rafael Fiziev (155)
Caio Borralho (185.5) vs Armen Petrosyan (185.5)
Said Nurmagomedov (135.5) vs Douglas Silva de Andrade (135.5)
Chase Sherman (253) vs Jared Vanderaa (263.5)
Cynthia Calvillo (126) vs Nina Nunes (125.5)
Michael Johnson (155.5) vs Jamie Mullarkey (155.5)
Ricky Turcios (135.5) vs Aiemann Zahabi (135.5)
Cortney Casey (126) vs Antonina Shevchenko (124.5)
Cody Brundage (185.5) vs Tresean Gore (185.5)
Garrett Armfield (145) vs David Onama (145.5)
Kennedy Nzechukwu (205) vs Karl Roberson (202.5)
Saidyokub Kakhramonov (136) vs Ronnie Lawrence (135.5)

[notblox1]

I can't recall it hitting the ground against Cannonier? Except for once at the end of the round?

Cannonier tried to wrestle many times and bring him to ground but Izzy improved his defense in every way.
If you watch all Adesanya fights you will see his face it not damaged, and in this fight Cannonier looked like much heavier fighter, bigger muscles and body.
I am not sure what is going to happen in his next fight with Pereira but it's nearly impossible for this to be snooze fest

Here are the weigh in results for the event.  The Pickett vs Tiuliulin was rescheduled to another event, so it's just 11 UFC matches for the weekend. 

This is nice weight advantage for Jared Vanderaa and this should be interesting heavyweight fight to watch.
If I had to make a prediction I would say Jared wins with ground'n'pound.
Let's see if I was correct in few days

[YuginKadoya]

Pereira is nothing to Adesanya this time. He just talk so much but when they are going to be on the stage Adesanya will put an end to this guy. The reason why Pereira seem to be so relax in the press conference is because he doesn't understand what Israel is saying.

Its true he could be making a good attention and Dana would love something like this because its his business of course. It will be interesting how the odds will be if the 2 fight.

We can not assume he can not understand at all, there is a possibility that he can understand a little and there is always an interpreter with him if he can not fully understand it he can just ask for him to translate, I don't want to underestimate Pereira, even though he dropped out from school it doesn't mean he can not understand at all, and for  also think Izzy had the advantage here,

I think I have posted 3 or 4 times in this topic during last years - UFC must change their gloves or made them close to Pride gloves. I think every quarter someone gets accidentally poked. UFC knows their issue with gloves, Dana knows there is an issue with gloves. They always replay with "it was an accident, no one wanted to do that on purpose", but fights keep being spoiled.

I dont understand why UFC let go this issue so easily or try to act there is nothing worth taking action in that case. Maybe they are bounded with contracts, rules, manufacturers, I dont know what else. But Dana and owners would piss with fire if some of their major fights (for example return of McGregor) would be spoiled due to eye poking.

I think I remembered that he had that topic back then but I can not remember who's the fighter that made poked it was the topic to change the UFC gloves to more close gloves but it will hinder the wrestling skill so the gloves change was postponed, and there are a lot of petition to do not change the gloves at all,

I really think this penalty was simply for that eye poked and we can not blame O'Malley for doing that in the heat of the battle, anything can happen, and Pedro Munhoz also didn't blame Sugar about the incident, so I think we can not assume it to be intentional or not, but to always say that it was a punch that destroyed MUnhoz eye, and not the eye poke or there is no eye poke happen I think we can all disagree that Sean O'Malley needs to say sorry sometimes, or just a simple sorry on what happens to Munhoz, and there are medical records to back it up that it was really an eye poke

But here's the thing tho Pereira knows Adesanya and has already won vs Adesanya twice in kick boxing.  Yeah sure it's a different sport but Adesanya isn't really known for his wrestling and doesn't do much of any grappling except for defending against it.

It's going to be a very interesting match up...  Something which Adesanya won't be too keen to engage imho.

Maybe Adesanya is just holding on to wrestle, I have seen training of Adesanya on wrestling but I think this is just to simply defend on the certain outcome if he is unable to defend a takedown, but maybe he is taken tips and can also be well rounded this time, but surely the only loss of Pereira was against Quemuel Ottoni on his MMA debut on Jungle Fight when Ottoni have taken down Pereira when the takedown failed many times Pereira also have some submission of his own but Ottoni can counter on the ground that has taken Ottoni  to a submission rear-naked choke it was a great fight aswell,

I think if Adesanya won against Pereira Israel Adesanya would say to him this is MMA and I am dominant here,