Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[galambo]

I think you guys are focused on IPL so i want to jump in this conversation.

Just to give everyone broad perspective in regards of quality. Natarajan, Washington, Axar, Avesh Khan, Kartik, Ravi Bishnoi, Umesh Yadav, Khaleel Ahmed, Harshal patel, Prasidh Krishna, Gaikward, Shryas iyer, Shivam Dhube, Venkatesh Iyer, Prithvi Shaw, Shikar Dhawan can't even find their place in National team and i'm not even including new guys here.

Yes that quite true. You can't compare IPL with international cricket. Though we have best players in IPL but level of international cricket is way over any league because of some reasons. But that doesn't mean there is no replacement of King kohli in all domestic teams of bcci there are many players in queue just waiting for there turn.

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[Swordsoffreedom]

In South Asia the problem with players like kohli is that they don't take break since they fear that new players may perform well and they will be replaced permanently. With this mentality kohli is still carrying on. In T20 WC, when kohli was asked to replace rohit because of his bad form he laughed and ignored it. Now same is done by Rohit when asked will he consider replacing kohli. Seems like Indian skippers are more interested in having good relationships with each other and that's costing Indian team.

Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma may not be in form. However, India does not have talented and experienced players like them. There are some young players who are quite talented, but they are not as experienced as Rohit and Kohli. And so replacement of Kohli and Rohit is not possible now.
However, it is important to return to their form. Some days they should take a break from all types of cricket. Once they are mentally stable, they should practice again. Maybe with hard practice they will be able to get back to form.

That's a wrong statement. India have got more talented players, when opportunities were given we'll come to know about them. Now through IPL more strong players of India are known to the world. When there is consistent performance with a player they can't be questioned as well as when there is lack of performance they shouldn't be removed from the squad immediately. They need to be given time, because one may not perform in a series but come and perform with confidence in the next series.

I also said that India has a lot of talented players. But I said they are not as experienced as Kohli and Rohit. They may be able to play well in the domestic series, but their performance outside the country is not good. The Indian management gave a chance to a number of young talented players in the team but they did not perform as expected in the national team. And so the BCCI no longer wants to rely on young players. They need experienced players. If they want to play well in the next World Cup, they definitely need experienced players. It would be foolish to rely on a platform like the World Cup.

[Tony116]

That's a wrong statement. India have got more talented players, when opportunities were given we'll come to know about them. Now through IPL more strong players of India are known to the world. When there is consistent performance with a player they can't be questioned as well as when there is lack of performance they shouldn't be removed from the squad immediately. They need to be given time, because one may not perform in a series but come and perform with confidence in the next series.

I agree because I think India has a lot of talent on offer but they don't have the experience and also the quality that these two players bring in the team.
I also agree that the players should be given more time and especially the players who are young. It is easy to feel nervous in the first few matches. But once the nerves get settled the player is surely going to do better. And I believe through IPL a lot of players are coming forward and they also don't feel that much nervousness while playing their first few matches.

I think you guys are focused on IPL so i want to jump in this conversation.

Just to give everyone broad perspective in regards of quality. Natarajan, Washington, Axar, Avesh Khan, Kartik, Ravi Bishnoi, Umesh Yadav, Khaleel Ahmed, Harshal patel, Prasidh Krishna, Gaikward, Shryas iyer, Shivam Dhube, Venkatesh Iyer, Prithvi Shaw, Shikar Dhawan can't even find their place in National team and i'm not even including new guys here.

I know that these guys are really good but can any one of them replace Virat Kohli or Rohit Sharma? 

In my opinion, they can not. but obviously, that does not mean if Rohit Sharma or Virat Kohli are not performing there will still be in the team, even though when there are a lot of people waiting for their chance to prove themselves.

The poor performance of Virat Kohli has been going on for a long time and I think it's time that he should be dropped.

[SirLancelot]

I know that these guys are really good but can any one of them replace Virat Kohli or Rohit Sharma? 

In my opinion, they can not. but obviously, that does not mean if Rohit Sharma or Virat Kohli are not performing there will still be in the team, even though when there are a lot of people waiting for their chance to prove themselves.

The poor performance of Virat Kohli has been going on for a long time and I think it's time that he should be dropped.

In International cricket all players are replaceable because this is nature of this world and game, so please never talk about that Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma having not good replacements in current squad we have few players those have very good and natural talent which could be shine by time in near future even currently they are not doing like peoples are expecting from them. Right now things are not going in favor of these two legendary players so peoples having some good talk about them and their performance, but surely they are also humans, and they can do good and bad both.

Right now IPL is in progress, so they can check few youngsters for future and trying to have them for next international series which give them some good experience even right now they have no time as World Cup is also coming shortly, but things can change if BCCI and selectors will take some bold decisions for better future like done by Australia recently.

[galambo]

Right now IPL is in progress, so they can check few youngsters for future and trying to have them for next international series which give them some good experience even right now they have no time as World Cup is also coming shortly, but things can change if BCCI and selectors will take some bold decisions for better future like done by Australia recently.

You can't find players for test and odi from T20 leagues, IPL or any other league can only produce players for T20I only. Even T20I level is much higher then T20 league final. I keep on saying that India has huge domestic setup and they must have some young talented players who can  replace out of form kohli just like Pujara and Rahane were replaced.

[JSRAW]

That's a wrong statement. India have got more talented players, when opportunities were given we'll come to know about them. Now through IPL more strong players of India are known to the world. When there is consistent performance with a player they can't be questioned as well as when there is lack of performance they shouldn't be removed from the squad immediately. They need to be given time, because one may not perform in a series but come and perform with confidence in the next series.

I agree because I think India has a lot of talent on offer but they don't have the experience and also the quality that these two players bring in the team.
I also agree that the players should be given more time and especially the players who are young. It is easy to feel nervous in the first few matches. But once the nerves get settled the player is surely going to do better. And I believe through IPL a lot of players are coming forward and they also don't feel that much nervousness while playing their first few matches.

I think you guys are focused on IPL so i want to jump in this conversation.

Just to give everyone broad perspective in regards of quality. Natarajan, Washington, Axar, Avesh Khan, Kartik, Ravi Bishnoi, Umesh Yadav, Khaleel Ahmed, Harshal patel, Prasidh Krishna, Gaikward, Shryas iyer, Shivam Dhube, Venkatesh Iyer, Prithvi Shaw, Shikar Dhawan can't even find their place in National team and i'm not even including new guys here.

I know that these guys are really good but can any one of them replace Virat Kohli or Rohit Sharma? 

In my opinion, they can not. but obviously, that does not mean if Rohit Sharma or Virat Kohli are not performing there will still be in the team, even though when there are a lot of people waiting for their chance to prove themselves.

The poor performance of Virat Kohli has been going on for a long time and I think it's time that he should be dropped.

Not now but in next 2-3 years for sure. Like i mentioned earlier that ICC should allow 2 teams from the India in the ICC tournament (Limited overs cricket)

I'm sure 2nd string Indian team could provide far more entertainment and could be competitive in comparison to Zim, UAE, Ireland, Singapore and few others.
 

[savetheFORUM]

You can't find players for test and odi from T20 leagues, IPL or any other league can only produce players for T20I only. Even T20I level is much higher then T20 league final. I keep on saying that India has huge domestic setup and they must have some young talented players who can  replace out of form kohli just like Pujara and Rahane were replaced.

You are right, but they can start picking few players and then can go for other formats as well because after IPL there are five matches series between India vs South Africa, and then they have few other events as well, so this could be start for them which will surely help in near future for other formats as well.
 
Their domestic set up is huge, but it's not providing quality players which is big concern for them, they need to think about this and having some good changes for this as well and another thing is also important surely they need to have some good quality academies which help these youths in all formats this could be good investment for their cricket like Australia.

Currently, their investment is having the best return for them, and they are dominating in men's and women's both formats with their domestic system and academies.

[Tony116]

I know that these guys are really good but can any one of them replace Virat Kohli or Rohit Sharma? 
In my opinion, they can not. but obviously, that does not mean if Rohit Sharma or Virat Kohli are not performing there will still be in the team, even though when there are a lot of people waiting for their chance to prove themselves.
The poor performance of Virat Kohli has been going on for a long time and I think it's time that he should be dropped.

In International cricket all players are replaceable because this is nature of this world and game, so please never talk about that Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma having not good replacements in current squad we have few players those have very good and natural talent which could be shine by time in near future even currently they are not doing like peoples are expecting from them. Right now things are not going in favor of these two legendary players so peoples having some good talk about them and their performance, but surely they are also humans, and they can do good and bad both.

Right now IPL is in progress, so they can check few youngsters for future and trying to have them for next international series which give them some good experience even right now they have no time as World Cup is also coming shortly, but things can change if BCCI and selectors will take some bold decisions for better future like done by Australia recently.

India actually has the type of player that you are talking about. Obviously, they should be given a chance, and the players who are not in form can obviously be dropped from the team at least for the sake of a test.

Virat Kohli has obviously not been in form recently. His being stubborn is obviously hurting the team right now. but even though a lot of people think that they have really good players who can be a good substitute for Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma, I think when these two players are in form there is no one that can substitute them.

[Sithara007]

Not now but in next 2-3 years for sure. Like i mentioned earlier that ICC should allow 2 teams from the India in the ICC tournament (Limited overs cricket)

I'm sure 2nd string Indian team could provide far more entertainment and could be competitive in comparison to Zim, UAE, Ireland, Singapore and few others. 

Even 3 from India is OK (India has depth in talent and they have 38 first class teams). The ICC can also allow a second team from Pakistan as well. There are dozens of national teams, that are entirely comprised of Indian and Pakistani nationals. Given this, why can't they allow additional teams from these two countries, without the fake labels such as "Oman", "Norway", "Czech Republic", "Sweden", "Qatar".etc? The advantage here is that these teams will be more competitive when compared to the "fake" national teams.

BTW, this is how the "Czech Republic" team looks like:

[Maidak]

Not now but in next 2-3 years for sure. Like i mentioned earlier that ICC should allow 2 teams from the India in the ICC tournament (Limited overs cricket)

I'm sure 2nd string Indian team could provide far more entertainment and could be competitive in comparison to Zim, UAE, Ireland, Singapore and few others. 

Even 3 from India is OK (India has depth in talent and they have 38 first class teams). The ICC can also allow a second team from Pakistan as well. There are dozens of national teams, that are entirely comprised of Indian and Pakistani nationals. Given this, why can't they allow additional teams from these two countries, without the fake labels such as "Oman", "Norway", "Czech Republic", "Sweden", "Qatar".etc? The advantage here is that these teams will be more competitive when compared to the "fake" national teams.

BTW, this is how the "Czech Republic" team looks like:

Ok, I really don't understand if this is a joke or if you guys are being serious. If you guys are actually being serious, in that case, you are saying that there should be multiple teams going into the tournaments to take part, and we are just going to ignore that the majority of the countries in the world are not even interested in playing cricket. is that so? If that's the case then I think that might be the worst idea ever.

Anyway, I actually think it's a joke.  just like the Czech Republic team, lol...

[JSRAW]

Not now but in next 2-3 years for sure. Like i mentioned earlier that ICC should allow 2 teams from the India in the ICC tournament (Limited overs cricket)

I'm sure 2nd string Indian team could provide far more entertainment and could be competitive in comparison to Zim, UAE, Ireland, Singapore and few others. 

Even 3 from India is OK (India has depth in talent and they have 38 first class teams). The ICC can also allow a second team from Pakistan as well. There are dozens of national teams, that are entirely comprised of Indian and Pakistani nationals. Given this, why can't they allow additional teams from these two countries, without the fake labels such as "Oman", "Norway", "Czech Republic", "Sweden", "Qatar".etc? The advantage here is that these teams will be more competitive when compared to the "fake" national teams.

BTW, this is how the "Czech Republic" team looks like:

Ok, I really don't understand if this is a joke or if you guys are being serious. If you guys are actually being serious, in that case, you are saying that there should be multiple teams going into the tournaments to take part, and we are just going to ignore that the majority of the countries in the world are not even interested in playing cricket. is that so? If that's the case then I think that might be the worst idea ever.

Anyway, I actually think it's a joke.  just like the Czech Republic team, lol...

It's obviously a joke but it's also shows how messed up this situation is. Army of subcontinent players going all around the world due to lack of opportunity in their own cricketing system. For example Unmukt chand, Indian u19 (2012 - Hanuma Vihari batchmate) world cup winning captain and out of nowhere become USA's captain.

Not saying that migration is bad but there should be some sort of limit on including foreign nationals in any national team from the ICC. You can't just airdrop tons of players from other countries and say hey now we have a cricket team, what about locals and spreading the game bla bla. 

[blatchcorn]

Even 3 from India is OK (India has depth in talent and they have 38 first class teams). The ICC can also allow a second team from Pakistan as well. There are dozens of national teams, that are entirely comprised of Indian and Pakistani nationals. Given this, why can't they allow additional teams from these two countries, without the fake labels such as "Oman", "Norway", "Czech Republic", "Sweden", "Qatar".etc? The advantage here is that these teams will be more competitive when compared to the "fake" national teams.

BTW, this is how the "Czech Republic" team looks like:

India and Pakistan has huge population that doesn't mean cricket need to be restricted in this part of the world. You cant do such manipulation in football, in fact South Asian football teams are no where in competition in FIFA despite there huge population. Rules should be simple, one country one team and that team must have 100% native players.

[dezoel]

It's obviously a joke but it's also shows how messed up this situation is. Army of subcontinent players going all around the world due to lack of opportunity in their own cricketing system. For example Unmukt chand, Indian u19 (2012 - Hanuma Vihari batchmate) world cup winning captain and out of nowhere become USA's captain.

Not saying that migration is bad but there should be some sort of limit on including foreign nationals in any national team from the ICC. You can't just airdrop tons of players from other countries and say hey now we have a cricket team, what about locals and spreading the game bla bla. 

Even it's not good, and I am always against this all but one point is very valid with many subcontinent players are having better future and finances just because of this situation so if ICC is happy with this all then why we are going against this all. As few mention above Indian need two or three teams like this then I am feeling it's much better as we have more than this demand many players those have no good future now they can go into any this country and have better life with this game is also spreading to this country's next generation with T10 and T20 is our future, and they are doing good job.

If we have many players airdropped with no native player is feeling good for joining then still it's all OK we have some good future because these players now settled and having good future with this game even will try to develop this on academies level and new generation will try to have something better instead of current generation which is not happy with this all.

[Sithara007]

India and Pakistan has huge population that doesn't mean cricket need to be restricted in this part of the world. You cant do such manipulation in football, in fact South Asian football teams are no where in competition in FIFA despite there huge population. Rules should be simple, one country one team and that team must have 100% native players.

Ideally each and every national team should be comprised 100% of native citizens, and that is the criteria being followed in other sports. Teams such as Netherlands and Ireland are having a few South African born players, but these players have the citizenship (acquired through naturalization) of these respective countries. But that is not the case with teams such as Oman and the UAE. None of the players are having citizenship of these countries and almost 100% of them were born either in India or Pakistan.

[Juggy777]

I know that these guys are really good but can any one of them replace Virat Kohli or Rohit Sharma? 
In my opinion, they can not. but obviously, that does not mean if Rohit Sharma or Virat Kohli are not performing there will still be in the team, even though when there are a lot of people waiting for their chance to prove themselves.
The poor performance of Virat Kohli has been going on for a long time and I think it's time that he should be dropped.

In International cricket all players are replaceable because this is nature of this world and game, so please never talk about that Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma having not good replacements in current squad we have few players those have very good and natural talent which could be shine by time in near future even currently they are not doing like peoples are expecting from them. Right now things are not going in favor of these two legendary players so peoples having some good talk about them and their performance, but surely they are also humans, and they can do good and bad both.

Right now IPL is in progress, so they can check few youngsters for future and trying to have them for next international series which give them some good experience even right now they have no time as World Cup is also coming shortly, but things can change if BCCI and selectors will take some bold decisions for better future like done by Australia recently.

India actually has the type of player that you are talking about. Obviously, they should be given a chance, and the players who are not in form can obviously be dropped from the team at least for the sake of a test.

Virat Kohli has obviously not been in form recently. His being stubborn is obviously hurting the team right now. but even though a lot of people think that they have really good players who can be a good substitute for Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma, I think when these two players are in form there is no one that can substitute them.

I used to think the same Pointing, Warne, Sachin Tendulkar can never be replaced, but I have learnt it that each and every player is replaceable provided their replacements are groomed early on in their careers. Furthermore Virat needs to take a step back now because it’s clear to see that he’s struggling, and I’m sure that he’ll bounce back even stronger in test format but for now he needs to take that much needed break.

[JSRAW]

Rob Key is the new managing director for ECB. He used to do commentary for Sky.

Now they are coming up with new idea. Spilt coaching for the Test format and limited overs cricket, similar to spilt captaincy. Sounds like a good idea from coach's perspective, considering they play minimum 20 tests every year.

[kro55]

India and Pakistan has huge population that doesn't mean cricket need to be restricted in this part of the world. You cant do such manipulation in football, in fact South Asian football teams are no where in competition in FIFA despite there huge population. Rules should be simple, one country one team and that team must have 100% native players.

Ideally each and every national team should be comprised 100% of native citizens, and that is the criteria being followed in other sports. Teams such as Netherlands and Ireland are having a few South African born players, but these players have the citizenship (acquired through naturalization) of these respective countries. But that is not the case with teams such as Oman and the UAE. None of the players are having citizenship of these countries and almost 100% of them were born either in India or Pakistan.

I think it should be a simple rule. If you are a citizen you should be able to play for your own country and if you are not you simply cannot. By doing so a lot of countries that are interested in cricket have going to come forward instead of the countries that are making their whole team with foreign players.

And we all have been saying that cricket is just only very popular in India, Pakistan, and a few countries but have we ever thought about why cricket is not popular in the whole world and what are the steps being taken to change the current situation?

[Swordsoffreedom]

Rob Key is the new managing director for ECB. He used to do commentary for Sky.

Now they are coming up with new idea. Spilt coaching for the Test format and limited overs cricket, similar to spilt captaincy. Sounds like a good idea from coach's perspective, considering they play minimum 20 tests every year.

Actually, that is going to be a really good idea because the fitness and the skill are completely different in every other format of cricket. In the T-20 cricket players need to perform like they are running a 100m sprinting race, meanwhile, the test cricket is like a marathon.
And the ODI cricket is a mix of both.

So, this is something going to be a really good idea to give the players different types of coaching for different types of formats.

[coinism]

Actually, that is going to be a really good idea because the fitness and the skill are completely different in every other format of cricket. In the T-20 cricket players need to perform like they are running a 100m sprinting race, meanwhile, the test cricket is like a marathon.
And the ODI cricket is a mix of both.

So, this is something going to be a really good idea to give the players different types of coaching for different types of formats.

I don't think we are yet in a position to decide what T20 format is about. You need skills in test and upto soke extent in ODI to get good results but in T20 you can get good results even on bad performance. T20 is all about entertainment and hitting nothing else.

[JSRAW]

Rob Key is the new managing director for ECB. He used to do commentary for Sky.

Now they are coming up with new idea. Spilt coaching for the Test format and limited overs cricket, similar to spilt captaincy. Sounds like a good idea from coach's perspective, considering they play minimum 20 tests every year.

Actually, that is going to be a really good idea because the fitness and the skill are completely different in every other format of cricket. In the T-20 cricket players need to perform like they are running a 100m sprinting race, meanwhile, the test cricket is like a marathon.
And the ODI cricket is a mix of both.

So, this is something going to be a really good idea to give the players different types of coaching for different types of formats.

Yeah and have to admit. They don't afraid to experiment new things, no matter if it backfire or not. I grudgingly admire this attitude of ECB, on the other hand other cricket board specially BCCI loves to stay on the same course and prefer status quo on every freaking thing.

Also new update on captaincy