La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24

[kassex]

Josep Maria Bartomeu, president of Barcelona, now claims that Quique Setien will remain the coach of Barcelona next season and that it is a long-term project.
Does he really believe in that and what will Messi say about it?
The saga continues and in Barcelona it is never boring.

Source: https://www.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2020/08/02/5f269e8122601d847b8b462c.html

In my opinion what the president of Barcelona said about the future of Quique Setien actually does not mean that the position of
Quique Setien is safe. Although Quique Setien's contract will expire in 2022, but it depends on Setien whether he is able to win the
Champions League this year. If it fails, I think Barcelona will fire Setien. Moreover, the Champions League is the only title that can
get Barcelona this season.

I think so too.
Barcelona has been in a great crisis for a long time, both financially and in a crisis of results.
Such things are not tolerated in Barcelona and it's known who is always the main culprit, it's the coach and he pays the price for failure.
Messi and the main players are not happy with the coach, there are no results and the club president will soon have new elections for his position.
So regardless of what the club president said, I think a coach can save his job in Barcelona only if he wins the European Champions League.

The coach is not to blame, but the one who appointed him there. The players were not bought by the coach, and the current coach does not decide anything either. it's all in the hands of Messi and his friends. Whether or not Barcelona win the Champions League, there will be a new coach in the new season.

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[Captain Corporate]

 There was talks about bring in Xavi for a future position as a coach, there was also another one that I can't remember right now, it was a guy that Messi wanted and a guy that Pep Guardiola said he was his idol, I can't really remember the name of the guy but he was an older coach. Between two of those, I believe that current coach will not have too much time to coach barcelona for a very long time.

 But if they really want to get Xavi to coach barcelona one day, that could be epic and they could deal with ANY coach for another one season, if they keep the current one or get anyone, they just need Xavi to gain one more year experience with Barcelona and after that he could take the reigns and he would be awesome. Who else to know their cool tiki taka amazing system better than Xavi? Dude could bring Barcelona back to old tactics and strategies and he could be basically the next Pep Guardiola for the team.

 I could see that situation making Messi and everyone very happy as well and would result with a lot of cups for them.

[kawetsriyanto]

The coach is not to blame, but the one who appointed him there. The players were not bought by the coach, and the current coach does not decide anything either. it's all in the hands of Messi and his friends.

I agree, I got your point. Indeed, there is someone who should be responsible for the selection of a coach, including the current coach. If Barcelona cannot win La Liga trophy or Champions League trophy, it is not only because of the bad performance of both the coach and players only. But someone who makes the transfer decisions both for the coach and players has a contribution as well.

Whether or not Barcelona win the Champions League, there will be a new coach in the new season.

It should be, Bartomeu as the FC Barcelona President won't be satisfied with the current achievement. Also, the fans definitely will ask for something different for better performance for the Barcelona team, including by sacking the current coach.

[logfiles]

Who else to know their cool tiki taka amazing system better than Xavi? Dude could bring Barcelona back to old tactics and strategies and he could be basically the next Pep Guardiola for the team.

 I could see that situation making Messi and everyone very happy as well and would result with a lot of cups for them.

Haha, Tiki taka in Barcelona is gone bro. I don't think there is anyone who will be able to restore that style of play there. Sometimes it also depends on the group of players at the right club at the right time.
Have you seen how Pep has failed to regenerate that style of football play in any other club he has managed despite having the money to buy anyone or how Arsenal lost that 1-touch-and-pass kind of football way before Arsene Wenger, the inventor, even left the club.

[kawetsriyanto]

Haha, Tiki taka in Barcelona is gone bro. I don't think there is anyone who will be able to restore that style of play there. Sometimes it also depends on the group of players at the right club at the right time.

I also think the same as you, bro. In my humble opinion, I assume Tiki-Taka style only fits with the combination of xavi-iniesta-messi. These three legends really make that style be scary other teams because they fully control the games in 90 minutes. They make no chance for opposite players to do a counter-attack at that time. But with no xavi-iniesta in Barcelona team, there are many chances for a counter-attack, so Tiki-Taka style failed to win the match. Well, basically Barca is missing someone like xavi & iniesta as no one can have the same or almost the same quality as them till now.

[kassex]

Barcelona needs to completely change half of the squad. tiki taka without havi and iniesta will not work. the players bought in recent years do not come close to the level of these great players. and Barcelona also needs Puyol.

[Naida_BR]

Barcelona needs to completely change half of the squad. tiki taka without havi and iniesta will not work. the players bought in recent years do not come close to the level of these great players. and Barcelona also needs Puyol.

Well you are talking about 3 legends that have passed from Barca.
Xavi and Iniesta wasn't masters in tiki taka football when this came to the team play style. They adjusted to it and day by day they became better. This needs to happen in the current squad and it is manager's responsibility.

[masulum]

Barcelona needs to completely change half of the squad. tiki taka without havi and iniesta will not work.

Tiki Taka is not only because of the players, coaches have an important role to bring tiki taka to be successfully carried out by players when competing. Pep Guardiola was able to bring Barcelona's Tiki Taka after Rijkaard got better. Even, Barcelona recruits other coaches like Mourinho, not necessarily able to rely on this style even though he had been an assistant manager at Barcelona in the past. Changing 6 players though can't guarantee. if the manager does not have the capacity to run tiki taka

[logfiles]

Tiki Taka is not only because of the players, coaches have an important role to bring tiki taka to be successfully carried out by players when competing. Pep Guardiola was able to bring Barcelona's Tiki Taka after Rijkaard got better. Even, Barcelona recruits other coaches like Mourinho, not necessarily able to rely on this style even though he had been an assistant manager at Barcelona in the past. Changing 6 players though can't guarantee. if the manager does not have the capacity to run tiki taka

Trust me, players have a huge role in the style of play. Did you notice during that period, Even the Spanish national team had the same style of play like Barca yet Pep or Rijkaard took no part in the National Team?
Who do you think made Spain play like that? Barcelona's coaches or the players in Puyol, Iniestas, Xavi...

Secondly, If indeed the Coach has the biggest influence on the style of play then why hasn't Pep been able to reproduce Tiki Taka which proved so entertaining and successful in Barca to other clubs he has coached with all the money at his disposal?

Like I said, it's just the right set of players with the same chemistry at the right time.

[BTCappu]

Josep Maria Bartomeu, president of Barcelona, now claims that Quique Setien will remain the coach of Barcelona next season and that it is a long-term project.
Does he really believe in that and what will Messi say about it?
The saga continues and in Barcelona it is never boring.

Source: https://www.marca.com/en/football/barcelona/2020/08/02/5f269e8122601d847b8b462c.html

In my opinion what the president of Barcelona said about the future of Quique Setien actually does not mean that the position of
Quique Setien is safe. Although Quique Setien's contract will expire in 2022, but it depends on Setien whether he is able to win the
Champions League this year. If it fails, I think Barcelona will fire Setien. Moreover, the Champions League is the only title that can
get Barcelona this season.

I think so too.
Barcelona has been in a great crisis for a long time, both financially and in a crisis of results.
Such things are not tolerated in Barcelona and it's known who is always the main culprit, it's the coach and he pays the price for failure.
Messi and the main players are not happy with the coach, there are no results and the club president will soon have new elections for his position.
So regardless of what the club president said, I think a coach can save his job in Barcelona only if he wins the European Champions League.

The coach is not to blame, but the one who appointed him there. The players were not bought by the coach, and the current coach does not decide anything either. it's all in the hands of Messi and his friends. Whether or not Barcelona win the Champions League, there will be a new coach in the new season.

Just because President said that the coach will stay doesn't mean that the coach will stay, he can change his mind or he could lie both of which is probably at play here.

You do not say that you are about to fire the coach right before a champions league game happens, you have to make sure that the coach thinks he is staying for another year, even when you face him and talk to him you say that you will keep him and basically make him happy so that he would work his hardest to win the champions league, but as soon as he loses you will kick him out and get someone else instead, that way you can always blame the results that happened and not have that in your mind previously and just changed it due to champions league results. Or he could actually be thinking to keep him, we wouldn't know.

[Avirunes]

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Agree with logfiles here.  Pep has been in Bayern and is right now in City. He has successfully achieved setting up possessive gameplay where he went but I haven't seen tiki-taka in any of those team mid plays. It's bit of intiative taken by the players then (Xavi-Iniesta-Messi) trio. To have that you have to get players like them or someone with that vision and passing mindset.

[Arcas]

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Agree with logfiles here.  Pep has been in Bayern and is right now in City. He has successfully achieved setting up possessive gameplay where he went but I haven't seen tiki-taka in any of those team mid plays. It's bit of intiative taken by the players then (Xavi-Iniesta-Messi) trio. To have that you have to get players like them or someone with that vision and passing mindset.

Right now Barcelona doesn't have good captain team where like Carles Puyol could give motivation to their team when bad performance, right now Lionel Messi could not get the captain team where give way how to make team spirit to play hard and solid working team not individual player.

[DeathAngel]

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Agree with logfiles here.  Pep has been in Bayern and is right now in City. He has successfully achieved setting up possessive gameplay where he went but I haven't seen tiki-taka in any of those team mid plays. It's bit of intiative taken by the players then (Xavi-Iniesta-Messi) trio. To have that you have to get players like them or someone with that vision and passing mindset.

Worth remembering that Pep has CL titles since he left Barcelona. Barcelona has won the CL without Pep, he is not a magician.

[kawetsriyanto]

Right now Barcelona doesn't have good captain team where like Carles Puyol could give motivation to their team when bad performance,

It is difficult to have someone line Puyol anymore. He is a respected player and has the charisma of a true leader. We rarely saw a player who has those things nowadays. Still, I think Barcelona needs a Spanish captain, a Spanish player who has a big influence on the team. It is like Ramos in Real Madrid at the previous season, they didn't choose Ronaldo as a captain but Ramos who has a stronger influence on the team.

[kassex]

You do not say that you are about to fire the coach right before a champions league game happens, you have to make sure that the coach thinks he is staying for another year, even when you face him and talk to him you say that you will keep him and basically make him happy so that he would work his hardest to win the champions league, but as soon as he loses you will kick him out and get someone else instead, that way you can always blame the results that happened and not have that in your mind previously and just changed it due to champions league results. Or he could actually be thinking to keep him, we wouldn't know.

here you are right. but I think that the Barcelona coach understands very well that he will not work next year. even if he wins the Champions League.

[AakZaki]

I just give an example for this, why? Because, he can re-build Barcelona after failed to be La Liga champions for four years. I don't say barcelona need to be hire him again. Because Is not easy for any coach for rebuild the clubs after failed to be a champion in few years. In this case, if Barcelona sold more than 8 players, they need an architect. Guardiola? He just good because he was easy to buy a star players. And when he can bring Barcelona as champions, he was lucky have a player from Rijkaard.

You are right. Selling twelve Barcelona players is like the process of updating a team. It takes a long process to rebuild the team. I think management starts thinking when their main players start aging. Management needs to choose carefully for updates about the coach and the player even if it causes a dispute. Apart from the effects of this dispute, it is normal and it must continue. I don't know about Quique Setien's policy which many players oppose. They should sit together at the table and drink coffee for discussion.😬

[Daniel91]

I just give an example for this, why? Because, he can re-build Barcelona after failed to be La Liga champions for four years. I don't say barcelona need to be hire him again. Because Is not easy for any coach for rebuild the clubs after failed to be a champion in few years. In this case, if Barcelona sold more than 8 players, they need an architect. Guardiola? He just good because he was easy to buy a star players. And when he can bring Barcelona as champions, he was lucky have a player from Rijkaard.

You are right. Selling twelve Barcelona players is like the process of updating a team. It takes a long process to rebuild the team. I think management starts thinking when their main players start aging. Management needs to choose carefully for updates about the coach and the player even if it causes a dispute. Apart from the effects of this dispute, it is normal and it must continue. I don't know about Quique Setien's policy which many players oppose. They should sit together at the table and drink coffee for discussion.😬

I think Barcelona needs big changes right now.
Barcelona has a crisis of results, and finance and management 
They urgently need better management and have to rely much more on their football academy and young players.
They also have to start preparing for the time after Messi.

[Avirunes]

I think Barcelona needs big changes right now.
Barcelona has a crisis of results, and finance and management 
They urgently need better management and have to rely much more on their football academy and young players.
They also have to start preparing for the time after Messi.

Their defense is already shit. In a year or two all the players will get old. It's not a small crisis it's gonna be big in coming years. They have to straighten their financial position right now. They have quite few talents but they will also gonna take time to develop. It's a real challenge for Barcelona. I think they should buy some young players with good talent at a decent price and not focus on some players with heavy price tag like Neymar.

[slaman29]

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Agree with logfiles here.  Pep has been in Bayern and is right now in City. He has successfully achieved setting up possessive gameplay where he went but I haven't seen tiki-taka in any of those team mid plays. It's bit of intiative taken by the players then (Xavi-Iniesta-Messi) trio. To have that you have to get players like them or someone with that vision and passing mindset.

Not to mention Pep and Barca actually got quite mad if you mentioned tiki taka to them a lot because Pep insisted that he wasn't just playing that game for the sake of it. But I agree totally that it's still about the manager and the player. Possession intensive games can be taught, and can be learnt, but you still need to recruit the right players, and you need a good coach to teach these skills. It's not as easy as it looks.

[erikoy]

The poll vote was real madrid and it is so close with the barcelona. Probably this two teams now would most likely to compete in a championship game. Just basing also on their standings where Barcelona and Real Madrid had been in top list. My bet will be on Real Madrid as it is in the rank 1 in the standings and Barcelona came next to it. Basing on their plays then Real Madrid had the players in good shape for now compared to Barcelona. However, it will be a good match to watch over the team playing if both of them will play for the championship game.