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10th humanitarian convoy went to Novorossia today. Most of the trucks went to Lugansk, where the situation is the worst. 43 truck carried equipment for reconstruction of power lines and transformer stations that were destroyed by the shelling. In the meantime the seize-fire seems to be working - for the 4th day with no violations. Today, Donetsk Republican Army allowed a Ukrainian military convoy to pass to Donetsk airport transporting food and rotating 50 unarmed Ukrainian soldiers. Motorola and the Ukrainian commander had a brief talk, observed by press (Life News) and OSCE. http://lenta.ru/news/2014/12/12/aiport/It all would be well if USA were not hell bent on escalation of the conflict, even in the face of this fragile prospect for peace, with their law allowing sending of military equipment to Ukraine. http://lenta.ru/news/2014/12/12/mid/
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China rejected the Russian Federation of settlements in rubles. This is not a currency and also not the moneyКитaйcкaя Hapoднaя Pecпyбликa oткaзaлa Poccии в пepexoдe нa pyбль в мeжгocyдapcтвeнныx pacчeтax. Poccийcкyю вaлютy здecь нaзвaли "cлишкoм нecтaбильнoй и pиcкoвaннoй", пишeт глaвнaя гocyдapcтвeннaя гaзeтa Китaя "Жэньминь Жибao". http://ehorussia.com/new/node/10202
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10th humanitarian convoy went to Novorossia today. Most of the trucks went to Lugansk, where the situation is the worst. 43 truck carried equipment for reconstruction of power lines and transformer stations that were destroyed by the shelling. In the meantime the seize-fire seems to be working - for the 4th day with no violations. Today, Donetsk Republican Army allowed a Ukrainian military convoy to pass to Donetsk airport transporting food and rotating 50 unarmed Ukrainian soldiers. Motorola and the Ukrainian commander had a brief talk, observed by press (Life News) and OSCE. http://lenta.ru/news/2014/12/12/aiport/It all would be well if USA were not hell bent on escalation of the conflict, even in the face of this fragile prospect for peace, with their law allowing sending of military equipment to Ukraine. http://lenta.ru/news/2014/12/12/mid/Yah... sure... and no russian tanks in ukraine... not a single one...
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Yah... sure... and no russian tanks in ukraine... not a single one...
Yeah... sure... And there is no dick in your ass... Not a single one... You know, "Yah... sure..." doesn't exempt you from the need to provide evidence. So, provide your evidence or simply shut up. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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The problem is not where nice Russian people put their beautiful country.
The problem is where the Kremlin puts the Russian Army.
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These are only a few of the reasons why the countries in galdur's funny picture welcome NATO with open arms and great relief.
when blaming USSR for something, don't forget to spread the blame, and not shift it onto Russians as it is dictated by your current political agenda. Where I "spread the blame" isn't important. My "current political agenda" has nothing to so with this. What matters is where countries harmed by the Kremlin spread the blame. They spread it all over Red Square. It's no surprise their current political agenda is to join NATO as soon as possible, all of your Russplaining notwithstanding.
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December 14, 2014, 11:08:44 AM Last edit: December 14, 2014, 11:32:01 AM by Nemo1024 |
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The problem is not where nice Russian people put their beautiful country.
The problem is where the Kremlin puts the Russian Army.
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These are only a few of the reasons why the countries in galdur's funny picture welcome NATO with open arms and great relief.
when blaming USSR for something, don't forget to spread the blame, and not shift it onto Russians as it is dictated by your current political agenda. Where I "spread the blame" isn't important. My "current political agenda" has nothing to so with this. What matters is where countries harmed by the Kremlin spread the blame. They spread it all over Red Square. It's no surprise their current political agenda is to join NATO as soon as possible, all of your Russplaining notwithstanding. You know there are a lot of people who are tired of those damned Belgians. Belgians stopped the South Stream project by sabotaging it. Currently the Belgians are driving German economy to ruin. This damned Belgian Angela Merkel is not hearing her own business circles in Germany. Oh, and Belgian Francois Hollande, despite the French best interests, killed its ship-building industry. Yes, Belgians are evil. Many Europeans are spreading the blame all over Brussels now. Oh, and show me countries that are newly rushing to join NATO, where either a colour revolution or a substantial buying off of the politicians by US was not needed first. Your statement is exactly the reason why you should differentiate between Russia and Soviet Union. Under Soviet Union, Russia was an occupied country, itself a victim. During coup d'etat of 1917 Russia was essentially hijacked, anyone who resisted killed off (much like today in Ukraine - anyone against forced Westernasation now falls victim of lustration), and the state and its structure destroyed. Russia (RSFSR) had the least say in running of USSR, and its territories were treated as private property of the USSR leaders, to be given away at a whim (Novorossia, South Ossetia, Crimea). If USSR's capital were in Kiev, would you be blaming Ukrainians, and if in Tbilisi, would Georgians be the bad guys today?
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December 14, 2014, 12:17:08 PM Last edit: December 14, 2014, 01:00:37 PM by Nemo1024 |
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It seems that closing of airports of Dniepropetrovsk, Harkov and Zaporozhje and the airspace above them for civilian traffic is connected with US military transport planes landing there. 4 Herculeses loaded with sealed crates. http://novorossia.su/ru/node/10962http://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2014/12/14/n_6741645.shtml![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnovorossia.su%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fdscn0469_38.jpg&t=665&c=ZWPzsW33ClZHug) Seems that USA have decided to turn Ukraine into Vietnam 2.0 and to go the path of hot war. And not even wait for the ratification of "Order 66" by Obama. Near Chuguev there were spotted about 50 fully-uniformed NATO soldiers from Poland, who reacted aggressively when locals tried to document their presence on mobile cameras. https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/12/11/ladas-geopolitical-primer-ukraine-as-heir-to-polands-cia-torture-prison-program-nuke-waste-shale-gas-gold/4. And the latest news: Ukraine has agreed to host a massive CIA torture prison. This happened as a result of Poland’s CIA torture prison scandal. After Poland had to close down their cozy CIA operation, Ukraine immediately jumped on the opportunity to make some ‘easy money.’
This is how the gruesome Ukrainian version of combining business with pleasure works:
The new CIA torture facility will house (or likely it already does) captured ISIS fighters and various ‘Islamic terrorists,’ well, according to CIA anyway. As part of the official announcement, this prison is also designed to confine and torture captured self-defence Novorossia/Donbass fighters as well as any anti-junta activists and critics.
At least in Poland they were embarrassed enough to keep the existence of such prison secret. In Ukraine they proudly and openly announce it.
The proper and soooo democratic, hypocrite EU elites insist on NOT noticing the mind-bogglingly flagrant abuses taking place daily in Ukraine. Why would they – they brought the present nazi junta to power, after all. In all fairness, they don’t notice the daily worldwide abuses of their biggest buddy, USA, either.
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December 14, 2014, 01:07:10 PM |
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You know there are a lot of people who are tired of those damned Belgians. Belgians stopped the South Stream project by sabotaging it. Currently the Belgians are driving German economy to ruin. This damned Belgian Angela Merkel is not hearing her own business circles in Germany. Oh, and Belgian Francois Hollande, despite the French best interests, killed its ship-building industry. Yes, Belgians are evil. Many Europeans are spreading the blame all over Brussels now.
Forget about them, Belgium is just another Ukraine-like artificial state. http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2369
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December 14, 2014, 04:23:07 PM Last edit: December 14, 2014, 06:43:50 PM by Nemo1024 |
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You know there are a lot of people who are tired of those damned Belgians. Belgians stopped the South Stream project by sabotaging it. Currently the Belgians are driving German economy to ruin. This damned Belgian Angela Merkel is not hearing her own business circles in Germany. Oh, and Belgian Francois Hollande, despite the French best interests, killed its ship-building industry. Yes, Belgians are evil. Many Europeans are spreading the blame all over Brussels now.
Forget about them, Belgium is just another Ukraine-like artificial state. http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2369Yeah, that too. But the point of my hyperbole with Belgians was to show the absurdity of blaming a nation for something that is done by a supra-national organisation that happens to have headquarters in your country. A passage from that article, which is very much applicable to Novorossia and Crimea, and how their national identity as part of the Russian nation determined what happened and what is happening: In his 1977 standard work Nations and States, Hugh Seton-Watson defined a state as a “legal and political organisation with the power to require obedience and loyalty from its citizens.” The word nation proved more difficult to define. Seton-Watson, its most eminent student, conceded that he was “unable to provide a definition which both covers all nations and excludes all communities that are not nations.” He proposed the following definition: “A community of people, whose members are bound together by a sense of solidarity, a common culture, a national consciousness.” This is, as Seton-Watson acknowledged, not a “scientific definition.” He added: “All that I can find to say is that a nation exists when a significant number of people in a community consider themselves to form a nation, or behave as if they formed one. It is not necessary that the whole of the population should so feel, or so behave, and it is not possible to lay down dogmatically a minimum percentage of a population which must be so affected. When a significant group holds this belief, it possesses ‘national consciousness.’”
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December 14, 2014, 07:15:45 PM |
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Seems that USA have decided to turn Ukraine into Vietnam 2.0 and to go the path of hot war. And not even wait for the ratification of "Order 66" by Obama.
Near Chuguev there were spotted about 50 fully-uniformed NATO soldiers from Poland, who reacted aggressively when locals tried to document their presence on mobile cameras.
and i feel goooood.... =))))))))))
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December 14, 2014, 07:25:25 PM |
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@OSCE smm observers stopped, threatened & beaten w/ weapons near Mariupol by 16 "DPR" soldiers ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FB4weprBCUAAunEn.png&t=665&c=_yLVE2x7H_70Og)
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December 14, 2014, 11:07:15 PM |
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Your statement is exactly the reason why you should differentiate between Russia and Soviet Union. Under Soviet Union, Russia was an occupied country, itself a victim. During coup d'etat of 1917 Russia was essentially hijacked, anyone who resisted killed off (much like today in Ukraine - anyone against forced Westernasation now falls victim of lustration), and the state and its structure destroyed. Russia (RSFSR) had the least say in running of USSR, and its territories were treated as private property of the USSR leaders, to be given away at a whim (Novorossia, South Ossetia, Crimea).
If USSR's capital were in Kiev, would you be blaming Ukrainians, and if in Tbilisi, would Georgians be the bad guys today?
And if Putin had tits, he'd be Angela Merkel. So what? ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Regardless, how I personally differentiate or do not differentiate "between Russia and Soviet Union" is not important. What is important is how the neighboring countries, oppressed by Russians from the Kremlin under both under Tsar and Bolshevik, differentiate or do not differentiate "between Russia and Soviet Union." Looking at this map... ...it is clear Russia's neighbors reject your putative differentiation as a 'distinction without a difference' and crave the safety of NATO membership and bases.
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December 14, 2014, 11:33:13 PM |
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NATO military is worthless, can´t even defeat tribesmen in Afghanistan.
Iraq, Lybia totally hopeless basket cases after the interventions.
So, I doubt that it´s urge for security that attracts NATO bases. Much
more likely is bribes and/or coercion.
And of course after blowing up things on a grand scale and shooting
up defenseless people the third thing the U.S. military excels at is
sitting on their asses in countless bases doing pretty much nothing.
It´s a business model.
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Attackers burn office of Chechen rights group Joint Mobile Group members say their office was torched after they criticised Kremlin-backed leader Ramzan Kadyrov embers of a human rights groups active in Chechnya say their office has been torched after they criticised the Kremlin-backed Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov for calling for collective punishment against families of Muslim rebels. The damage is serious. That was caused not by the fire but by vandalism. Dmitry Utukin, rights group "The damage (to the offices) is serious. All the equipment has been smashed. That was caused not by the fire but by vandalism," activist Dmitry Utukin of the Joint Mobile Group told AFP news agency on Sunday. The attack on the rights group's office in Grozny on Saturday, followed arson attacks reported against eight homes linked to rebels' families in the wake of a surprise raid on the Chechen capital on December 4. On Sunday, paramilitary police also searched the apartment where two members of the rights group were staying, Utukin said. "It's not very clear what is happening because their phones have been confiscated," Utukin said. "Our lawyer is going there." The group's other staff members "are in a safe place", Utukin said. It is the latest chapter in years of harassment and murder of human rights activists and journalists investigating torture, kidnapping and war crimes in Chechnya, where Russia has been fighting nationalist and armed rebels for 20 years. Kadyrov's threat Following the December 4 attack, Kadyrov, the authoritarian head of Chechnya's government, announced that relatives of any rebels should be exiled and their homes destroyed. After Kadyrov's statement on his popular Instagram account, at least eight houses belonging to people related to the rebels were burnt down, according to a statement by Memorial, another rights group, this week. Now violence has spread to human rights activists. Igor Kalyapin, head of the Moscow-based Committee Against Torture, wrote on Facebook that before the fire at the Joint Mobile Group's offices on Saturday, two men had tried to break in. Activists had also been followed by armed men, he said. Tatiana Lokshina, the Russia programme director at Human Rights Watch, wrote on Facebook that the "Chechen leadership apparently decided to expel the Joint Mobile Group of human rights defenders from Chechnya -- along with relatives of insurgents." Kalyapin has appealed to the Russian prosecutor-general to investigate Kadyrov's statement. Kadyrov responded on Instagram last week that Kalyapin and other activists are defending "bandits" and suggested that Kalyapin was being used by "Western special services" to pay the rebels. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/12/attackers-burn-office-chechen-rights-group-2014121414349619337.html
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I read your post & I cannot laugh over a children being in need, period. ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) Looking at the graph I understand Russia has no children at all? However, I know a lot of friends adopted Russian children in need here in Italy; so, maybe Russia is so good at statistics because embellish them by exporting her children in need to foreign countries?
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The argument of Russia being a victim because was an occupied country remind me of the same argument used by the Austrian government & people to avoid WWII responsability after the Nazi's Third Reich defeat. They failed, by the while. Playing the victim is more easy to an human being than to accept responsability for the results of their actions (or no-actions). We have a plenty of examples in the human history. Just my 2 satoshi.
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What ever anyone may think of the current Russian administration, Russian people born outside of Russia are still Russian... if they say so. And why should they be second hand citizens in a foreign country, if Europe was about respecting for once the will of the people there. if they want to be part of motherland Russia, who are we to tell them no? It doesn't change the fact that any nation taking an aggressive posture toward the Empire will have to face the consequences of their choices, and as such concept like defending foreign born patriots can't be a priority when said nation will have to face the Empire weight is quite a delusive move. You can have an independent political will, but don't dream to be able to back it up military against the Empire. One who ever you are, the gap between you and the Empire is so wide that you can't understand it. What you see as the other side is only decoy... 2 it will cost you too much, and it's in the best interest of the Empire too, to scale down... but you have to go first. It can be a free logical and rational choice, or the result of a terminal action of the Empire against your military industrial and societal structures. Love is the closest thing to hate, don't fight the Empire of Love unless you want to die, and maybe take everything your ancestors produce with it... Why? Because of technological developments, there is less risk in preventing annihilation than letting anyone scale the ladders of war, we know all path of where it leads. Peace is harder, Love is harder, remember you are wasting our limited time on Earth, with trivial endeavor as wars... since inception in 1776 to this day, as One Continuous Experience. Remember that the goal of the Empire of Love is to build a more perfect Union, however it's impossible to do it without peace, peace can't exist as long as others are planning to destroy the Empire with what ever mean of violence, from lone individual to foreign state, domestic rogue agency, or even competing inpersonificated empire. there is no will to improve your union, however what ever you chose to do, you have to understand that the realities of the Empire will prime over your consideration, due to your lack of awareness of reality. We can't work toward peaceful reintegration with nature and our inner selves if you are still conspiring - fomenting - warring. fold, capitulate, surrender and we may be merciful, don't, and learn the less part of it, again, scaled, digitalized and more. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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