Is it though? I mean, at current value that's what you'd expect to earn from a yearly salary right? Obviously, not on minimum wage, but I believe the average wage is just below that. I don't know exactly in the US, and what the US dollar equivalent is, but I do believe the UK is around 24k, which would be around about the price it's at now.

So theoretically, those that can offer their services for Bitcoin, just as they do with fiat could earn similar amounts. I don't think it's unachievable at the moment. If we see the price increase to upwards of $100k, that's when a lot of people will be priced out, well of owning one BItcoin anyway. Not that it's important, just interested why you'd think something which could be achieved in a year by many, would be unachievable. Even earning half of that, it would take two years. Obviously, the fluctuating costs of Bitcoin might go against you, but I imagine we'll be at a rather low point for a while.

What I will say, if we did dip beyond $19k, I imagine we'd take quite a bit time to recover. I can just imagine the pressure from the recession, but also a lot of people in their minds would be losing money, and mass panic would set in. I don't know what sort of time frame where we would bounce back, since I don't exactly know where we'll be in a few months time or a year from now. However, we definitely ain't rebounding from that within a few months. I know history might suggest otherwise, but I really do believe these are unprecedented times or at least what we have ahead of us, will be rather difficult for a lot of people.

I'm not much of a price watcher usually, but with the recession coming up, I'm quite interested on how Bitcoin, and its users will react. After all, Bitcoin was created due to a recession, and the fact that the banks messed up completely. Wondering if it spurs on adoption after it or will it make people lose faith for a while.

Technically there are other ways, they just aren't secure enough. Proof of Work is arguably the best option.

Why would we want to mine it quicker? Bitcoin already has difficulty, which adjusts based on the hashrate of the entire network. The only concern I see with Proof of Work is the energy used. Although, I don't think it carries much weight. I mean, Proof of Work is what makes Bitcoin work, and what sets it apart from other implementations, which basically just aren't as secure. It's one of the big contributors to its success.

Custom ROM's just have more privacy, and security features than the default usually. Not always, some default Android's (Manufacturer's alterations) are pretty good. I guess the question then is if you trust your manufacturer. To a certain extent, if you're using their hardware already, you do.

That's right. Custom ROM's usually utilize preexisting launchers that you can get without actually running custom ROMS. Although, I'd recommend a open source one if possible. I'm not too familar with Nova launcher that you've recommended, so can't comment either way.

Whilst on that topic. Open source custom ROM also. Although, as far as I'm aware most of them are, since they build from phh's treble. Except for a few.

While I do somewhat agree, I'd probably recommend users only store as much as they can afford. That's going to be different from person to person.

I'll go in a bit more detail with my reply to LFC_Bitcoin, however I think technical analysis can basically go out of the window. We're heading for a massive recession, that most people alive have never experienced, and it might just be worse than the great depression after world war, it's hard to know the impact of recent events at the moment.

So, while I do appreciate the effort, and reasoning I just think that while this sort of analysis might have benefited us in the past, and been somewhat accurate, I don't think it'll have the same correlation as usual. Something, maybe you haven't quite factored in?

What do you think?

Depends what you mean by the bottom, are we talking about the current cycle, calendar year, tax year or forever? If it's the latter I'd probably have similar confidence, however if it's any of the other three, I wouldn't be so sure. The world has gone through unprecedented times, we likely have a massive recession on our hands, only comparable to the 1900's, and yeah I'm specifically saying it'll be worse than the 2008/2009. Going through a pandemic isn't only going to have an effect on Bitcoin, but every single currency out there. Buying power will be down shortly, no one will be buying Bitcoin, because they'll be too busy buying the essentials, as inflation kicks our arses.

So, while I'm definitely confident in the long term, I'm not entirely confident we haven't hit the bottom of this year. Ultimately, that allows us with the will, and funds to invest further in Bitcoin at a discounted price. However, I suspect demand will be impacted, due to the above reasons. Bitcoin performed okay after the last recessions (that's if you truly believe we've recovered from that...) however this up, and coming recessions is going to really hard press a lot of people, and I believe it'll be one of the worst positions we've been in for a long time. The war with Russia, and Ukraine impacting fuel, and soon food costs will be bad enough on its own, but throw in a pandemic just before that, which the government has only just started raising things like taxes etc to recoup the amount they lost, I think we'll be struggling for a while.

I'm going with the prediction City 2 - 2 Aston Villa. I genuinely have the belief that Aston Villa can do it. Coutinho will have a good game, and Ings will be fired up. Gerrard will also have a little more to his team talks. I mean, wouldn't it just be poetic if Gerrard wins us that title? Since, arguably he probably does feel responsible for losing us our title with that game against Chelsea. Plus, it would be the closest he has come to winning the league with for us. I don't know, I just have a good feeling about it.

It's that Stoke game for me, I don't think I need to clarify any more than that. Despite Aston Villa giving us a thumping recently, that Stoke game was definitely worse in my memory. Although, every team has a bad game, and it's nothing out of the ordinary. City sometimes have those games, although not very often in recent seasons. I mean, you could argue that we've smashed them to pieces at times even when we wasn't as strong as a team as we're now.

I thought fighters get weighed twice on weighing day? Didn't one of the fighters recently confirm that by saying they weigh backstage, even in front of the commission, and then come out, and weigh on the proper scales that we all get to watch. There might be a slight calibration error with those not being the exact same, but to be honest I'm not sure if I buy the whole thing. Could it just be he missed weight, and that's it? I know Justin claimed that the weighing scales was what he was expecting, and didn't differ, but I suppose you have to take that with a pinch of salt, since he's going to be trying to get in the head of Olivera at that point.

I'm not sure what to think about the whole situation, although I think it goes without saying that Joe Rogan has a ton of different theories on all sorts of things, and isn't afraid to voice his opinions, and take sides in conspiracy theories. While I do like him, he's not always credible.

For me, the complexity of Bitcoin is the one obstacle to achieving mass adoption. Something which I don't know if we'll ever be able to completely overcome due to the nature of Bitcoin.

Right. I agree, banks actually do serve somewhat of a purpose. I do believe they could be implemented better, and shouldn't be offering interest rates or gambling your money away. Although, I will openly admit that managing a large amount of money comes with massive amounts of responsibility. Banks have the manpower, experts, and money to be able to invest into that, and therefore provide a simple way of managing your money. When you are your bank, that changes.

Ultimately, as much as I don't like third parties managing my money, and I would prefer to do it myself. Quite simply, that is never going to be for everyone. Some people like the safety net that banks provide.

That's somewhat true. However, and I do believe this is one of the issues we must overcome. Bitcoin in its current state is too complex for these types of people who don't want to learn about it. The fact is; with Bitcoin you're usually in control of your keys, therefore you're responsible for them. To be able to do that you not only need to know how Bitcoin works, but you should have a decent grasp of security practices. Otherwise, you could be unknowingly be putting yourself at risk.

This is exactly why Bitcoin currently isn't for everyone, and that's okay. I don't know if we are ever going to get to the stage where it'll be simple enough. However, we've come along way with documentation, software, and hardware wallets propelled us further even further into achieving it.

The thing about conducting a survey, and looking at that data is it rarely is carried out correctly. It needs to be a fair test, which a lot ignore. For example, a survey being conducted for a number of years or even months on a volatile currency means you're going to get distorted results. It would be much better to run a monthly poll which is open for 30 days, the problem with that is you're unlikely to get enough people to vote to have any conclusive results, at least any that are worthwhile. I like the rule of at least 1000 people taking part, which mitigates natural variance, and you do get to see some sort of reliable trend. However, that does depend on the total pool available, for example if Bitcoin has 4 billion people using it, collecting information from a larger dataset than 1000, will always be beneficial. As you increase the dataset, as long as it's relatively randomly selected people participating, you should start to see more reliable data.

You'll always have people submitting fake data, and that's the point of larger datasets to try, and also prevent that along with other things. However, running a survey over a few years on a volatile currency like Bitcoin, doesn't make much sense.

Yeah, I mainly say that because usually they don't connect that well. Not that they don't happen, but that the fighters are usually moving away enough to mitigate the actual force. You could see that kick not only landed perfectly, but was also executed perfectly right to the flick of the toes. It was a just a very unlikely event, matched with the speed to surprise, and the fact that Tony wasn't expecting it at all, is the reason he was absolutely folded.

I'll admit it, I was worried for him. He didn't get up for quite some time, and appeared to be out for some time. However, I don't think he's finished as a fighter, and I do think he has demonstrated more than this fight to justify saying he has a decent chin. I've never seen anyone take a beating as much as him, except Kattar in the Max Holloway fight.

Right, although I do believe it has the potential for both. However, far too much emphasis is put on the amount of Bitcoin can go up, and too little is focused on the true value of Bitcoin, allowing you to ditch third parties, take control of your own money, as well as looking after your own privacy. That to me is invaluable. Obviously, there are other benefits to it, but for me those are some of the key components that need to be taught, not the fact that Bitcoin can make you some money.

I'd like the emphasis to be shifted towards educating people on investing to better your freedom, rather than to lie your pockets. Unfortunately, the latter is usually the center of the topic.

That's true at the moment, although that's why I said that in the future we might actually benefit from this sort of technology. Electricity can be generated via green energy, mining resources can't. Obviously, to be able to do it we'll need to use our existing resources. However, utilizing things like solar, and hydro plants could potentially increase the amount of green energy being used. The way the world is going, there's enough funding for this to become a reality.

Again, we aren't any where near it, and I do think the closer we get to it, the quicker this green energy buzz word will sort of die down. However, I do expect massive amounts of progress in terms of converting a lot of places to green energy.

Bitcoin, and other industries will benefit from that, and we shouldn't really be hostile to the idea. It's the best approach, it's just everything has been blown out of proportion, especially when it comes to the amount of energy Bitcoin uses in comparison to other industries.

Quite a nifty way of doing it. Honestly, despite the ongoing conflict between Bitcoin users, and Elon. If he makes some awesome batteries in the future, and his initiative to offer free energy to his customers actually takes off, and becomes the way of doing things, I can see his technology actually benefiting Bitcoin, rather than hindering it. At least in the long term.

I think this is a bit unfair. I know the general consensus is that we should all hate Elon, for the effect he has had on Bitcoin, and its adoption. However, Tesla owners are doing this merely to profit for themselves, they don't have shareholders or anyone else to convince. Tesla on the other hand has to maintain its green energy reputation, since they're trying to convince people that their cars are clean, and the future. That's not easily done when they're publicly supporting Bitcoin, that has been dragged through the mud about its energy usage, even if it's not entirely accurate reports, its public perception that matters to him, not the truth.

Plus, he's much more than an influencer.

I don't know about that. In previous fights it has held up pretty well. I mean like I said before that's probably the best kick Chandler will ever throw, and actually land. Those type of kicks don't usually land as good as it did that night. Of course that's going to drop arguably anyone, and unfortunately Ferguson wasn't given the chance to actually try, and survive it since he was knocked out cold. It was a nasty kick, which landed absolutely perfectly.

Up until that point, and maybe the takedown, Chandler was getting beat up pretty bad. Every exchange Ferguson seemed to hurt him. I don't think he's as finished as everyone is making out. I think its more that being fans we might be a little concerned about his health since he's been fighting for so long, and the way he fights usually means he's subject to quite a few beatings. However, from a skill point of view he was still threatening a very good chandler who's a contender. That says a lot to me, and I by no means think Tony is finished.

Might be worth going into the reasons why you believe this. Bugs,  and flaws would be hard to measure, since not all bugs are discovered in either of the software's. Unless, you have done the math, and Lightening has already exceeded the amount of bugs that bitcoin has had.

Not sure how it has more ways to extort, cheat or steal than Bitcoin, though?

Yeah, there's no additional security risk with downloading from a bad source, any more so than Bitcoin core, Electrum or whatever wallet software you're using. The security risk is a lot of people don't do their research, and don't verify software. Ideally, because you have to download the software first of all to be able to verify it, doing so in a isolated machine or isolated environment is best. e.g Qubes OS disposable qube, verify it, and then simply copy it to wherever you want it.

Yeah, people don't like change, and that's why it's hard to get things done sometimes. Slightly astray, but it goes hand in hand with your later statement about poor security awareness. Those that are ignoring that their software or operating system is no longer being offered security updates, are those that don't have very good security awareness.

Which is unfortunately the majority of users. Also, it might not just be down to these, it might just be complacency. There's a ton of examples of people getting too comfortable, and therefore complacent in their practices, and ultimately paying the price for it.

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I think it's probably one of the implementations that the majority will actually agree made the forum ten fold better. There was a period of time where everything was getting a little bit out of hand. Now spam has reduced, we're actually starting to get reports from way back when, and ultimately cleaning up some of the mess left behind before merit. Obviously, there's still a lot of spam coming through on a daily basis, but nothing out of the ordinary for a forum this size. Whereas, before with the ICO craze in particular, it was crazy the amount of spam being pumped out.

With the somewhat recent merit source increase I'm finding I'm banking my sMerit for when I've cycled a little bit too quick with my merit source allocation, whereas I couldn't do that before since it was all going all too quickly.

Dare I say it; absolute daylight robbery. To be honest, while ATMs might be a good way of increasing adoption, this might actually do more harm than good, since people who are interested in using them, might go to use them, and realise that they charge a massive fee like that, which ultimately leads to them losing interest thinking that Bitcoin is fundamentally like that.

I know they have to recoup the costs of the machines somehow, but 11% is absolutely ridiculous. I'd be interested to know anyone that regularly uses them with those sort of fees. I'm not sure there's any monthly statistics on people using them, i.e just the number of people of independent deposits/withdrawals. With those kinds of fees, the convenience for me doesn't out  weigh those enormous fees.

Most of the time edits within the first few minutes of the post is spelling mistakes or phrasing of the post being corrected. I know this from experience, and I expect everyone here on the forum has made mistakes. I mean sometimes it as simple as using "has" instead of "as", which I'm only remembering now I noticed I did the other day, I think I forgot to edit that one though . Anyway, hardly any malicious editing is done during this period, and therefore as suggested above, isn't worth keeping in the database.

However, keeping edits which have been edited after that grace period are worth keeping somewhat. For example, from a forum perspective, a user could be looking to gain popularity of a thread, get lots of replies, and therefore appear higher on the list when people sort by views/posts or simply have a thread which a lot of users refer too. Then, they could go back, and edit that and remove a malicious link or even add one. That's just one of the examples, not a particularly strong one, but there has been instances where checking a edited post has been worth the effort, and has helped with efforts of moderation. I'm just failing to come up with a really good example right now, since I'm not one of the ones which has access to that data, so I'm using educated guesses rather than speaking from experience.

Although, it also serves another purpose, on suggesting how up to date the thread is. For example, if you're following a guide on how to import a private key, you probably want to know that it's semi up to date.

Yeah, I've never had much luck when adding more than four favourites to an accumulator. It always seems to be the one with the lowest odds that loses too.

Yeah, I'm definitely on Pereira's side, although that's just because he's one of my favourite fighters in the UFC. If I was going to make a sensible prediction, it would probably be he loses on points, due to gassing out. I think he has been getting slightly better with his gas tank, at least in his last fight, but it's obviously still a huge problem. Although, I'm not going to complain too much, because when he's going full throttle he's one of the most unique fighters in the roster. Always entertaining up until he gasses.

Yeah, Klopp has some serious balls fielding that side. I wasn't expecting so many changes that's for sure. Although, despite the changes we always looked in control, and despite the goal Southampton managed to get, which appeared to be deflected, I think we dominated the game, and largely Southampton didn't look that threatening.

I thought there was a foul leading up to the Southampton goal, and to be honest kind of dumbfounded on how it wasn't even considered worth looking into more closely. In my book was a clear foul. Anyway, I thought he did what we needed, and know the last game of the season is going to be absolute crazy, with so many other games also having significant weight on who finishes where, you could probably watch all games, and there's almost something to play for most of them.

I still have hope that Aston Villa will get something from the game, and we just need to beat Wolves.