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1121  Economy / Gambling / Re: Gambler Loses 1.4 million USD in a bet with lower than 1.01 odds! on: February 13, 2023, 12:48:36 PM
This is really a sad story and I was wondering how the owner of the money might be feeling now but I had to first if the money used for gambling was an amount the gambler was willing and ready to loss and if he predicted the game or was a presumed fixed match and if it was a fixed match then who ever was responsible for releasing such amount of money just for a single game truly needs to be taken to the hospital for treatment and mental health check up but I'm not certain if it was just naturally
Well, from all indications, like I've said before in my previous comments, this gambler absolutely believed this game would pull through, and he or she was just after some quick profit, which is why he or she wagered such an amount of money to win about $11k in return, but unfortunately, the game failed to click.
It is actually frustrating that we do not know who this gambler is, would have been really interesting to know how he or she is doing, but all the same, i just hope we all learn from this and never gamble in such a manner, no matter how much money we have.

I also think that the gambler believes that it is a sure win since the team he bet on was leading and he never imagine that it will turn into an upset.  It is a sad day for him but gives us a lesson that we will never know who will win until the match is finished.  So we must not be confident to think that we will win in a bet even though our betting team has huge lead.  Upset always happen, even in a boxing where the favorite has a huge advantage over the underdog and yet lost due to some miscalculation.

Perhaps this could be the reason why he bet that huge amount. Maybe he is confident about his bet which lead him to bet that amount thinking he would profit easily and quickly because it's a "sure or guaranteed win" on his end. Unfortunately, it turned out it isn't. All of those efforts and money were all gone to waste, due to miscalculated bet and high hopes for swift ROI. And if we are to assume that he is one of those people who want easy money, then sadly this is the exact proof why people should always think twice or even more before risking so much because tables could turn even at the very end of the game.
1122  Economy / Gambling / Re: What else should an established crypto casino add? on: February 11, 2023, 04:10:10 PM

That's right and there doesn't seem to be a problem with this because if we observe carefully, even though every casino has the same games, the casino still has many loyal customers and even gets new users all the time.
And in my opinion, every casino has its own advantages that are different from other casinos and it is impossible for other casinos to have so they can continue to have lots of customers and be able to compete fairly in the gambling industry.
But every gambler must also use not only one gambling platform. They also use other gambling platforms to be able to take advantage of the benefits provided by each gambling platform.


Indeed.

It's up to the players whether they would play in a casino offering the same game variation as other casinos or they would find something else that offers other games according to their liking. Nowadays, most casinos have games in common such as the usual ones you will find in a casino, while some offer unique games which they cater their clients due to the demand. Although it must be taken into consideration that not only the games a gambler should be after too but the overall service quality of the website. Because a casino experience will not be a great one if you'll have a hard time with their transactions and processes.

Gambling websites really have their own identity so it's still not really the same despite offering the almost identical offers and promotions. User interface of the website will play a great part in the immense experience of the players that could be their edge over other reputable sites. Additionally, the promotions and rewards varies too which players can gauge on where to best make an account and spend a dime.
1123  Economy / Gambling / Re: What do you appreciate more Desktop or Phone on: February 11, 2023, 02:51:28 PM
Desktop screens are for convenience and it is preferable for gaming but unlike mobile device, desktop cant is moveable freely like baggie g and outdoor activities, in my opinion, it is better to use the two but choose the right place and time for both usages.
Each device we use has its advantages and disadvantages, and we already know it before we use it. People who travel a lot prefer to use their mobile devices. And likewise, people who rarely travel will prefer to use a desktop or laptop. This will be based on the convenience factor of each user so that they will choose it for themselves. Some people use laptops, travel a lot, and prefer laptops to play gambling instead of using mobile devices.

Agree with this.

Most of the things we have have their own benefits and areas to consider. We buy things because we think we can utilize its purpose and will serve us well. Convenience, functionality, and cost are the usual aspects that we have to take into account before actually buying one. Those people who can afford to buy a desktop and prefer to navigate with wider screen will pretty much go for desktop. Meanwhile, those who are still on a budget and prefer the portability will go for a mobile device.

Several factors affect our decision making. It's not news that it's the natural flow of things. So this is really a subjective matter and will depend on the gambler himself and the situation he is currently in.
1124  Economy / Economics / Re: Can I take a loan to invest in bitcoin? on: February 11, 2023, 01:21:23 PM
"Can I take a loan to invest in bitcoin" this question was asked by a friend

My reply to her is this:
It is generally not advisable to take out a loan to purchase Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency. Cryptocurrency markets are highly volatile and the value of a particular coin can fluctuate greatly in a short period of time. This means that the value of the coin you purchase with a loan could drop, making it difficult to repay the loan. It is important to do your own research and make sure you understand the risks before investing in any financial product, including Bitcoin.

What is your advice?

You're correct.

Loan interest is fixed, while Bitcoin price is not. So it is really not advisable to take a loan for your friend to invest in Bitcoin since the price is very unpredictable. Even if he's going to use it for trading, I don't see it a very good idea unless he has enough experience that can back up his decision which makes him confident that he can make a lot of profits out of it so that he won't have sny problem paying up his loan.
1125  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: People will choose bitcoins more if the number of cryptocurrency option is less. on: February 11, 2023, 12:41:18 PM
I felt like seeing a movie and opened my streaming app (Netflix) to make a selection of a movie to see and I became confused which to select because of the many choices that I saw. I immediately had this thought that it is the same way people who have the interest of investing in cryptocurrency become confused the one to invest in when they find out that there is bitcoin and many other altcoins. Many people become confused and make mistakes because of the many options they have in cryptocurrency, they fail to invest in bitcoins because they think that there are many other very good options. Do you agree that more people will choose to invest in bitcoins if there were not so many cryptocurrency choices although not all are good?

They are not confused, they just can't afford Bitcoin maybe, that's why they look for other options, so they automatically think altcoins are just good as Bitcoin since it's still cryptocurrency. They just lack of enough knowledge to figure out what's the best cryptocurrency to invest in. So also if they got stuck on a certain altcoin, they would blame Bitcoin for the sake of their mistake to lessen up their disappointment.
1126  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why people don't adopt Bitcoin - they don't understand Expected Value on: February 11, 2023, 05:08:35 AM
First, check this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBX-KulgJ1o, it's a social experiment where the guy offers random people on the street to take a bet where they have a decent advantage, and almost all people refuse it. Why? Because they don't know math and can't calculate that the expected value of such bet is big and positive. Instead they are being guided by psychology - human mind feels negative emotions more strongly than the positive, and negative memories are stronger than the positive. Fear of losing is stronger than the desire to profit.

This is one of the reasons why Bitcoin adoption is so low. Everyone is aware of volatility, of big rallies and big crashes. Avoiding big risks is the default course of action for most people, even if big risks have positive expected value.

Or most of them just don't have any idea about it either. People don't want to risk on something they don't know, fiat is the only thing they wanted. Cryptocurrency for them is like it never exist, they don't want to get out of their comfort zone. We can't blame them though, since we have our own choices in life. Those people who don't want to risk their money on Bitcoin for sure will regret it big time once it soar up high even more.
1127  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Why I will never trust top exchanges on: February 10, 2023, 03:26:53 PM
Not your keys, not your coins.

I don't why other people still store their money in exchanges, it's not a hardwallet or even cold wallet where you can store and hodl your coins for a long time before you wanted to sell it in a best price. Exchanges have so many flaws, even the big ones, so it's not really a good thing to store anything on them unless you're trading daily so you can monitor your funds and make withdrawals of your profits anytime you want.
1128  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Share Tips For Newbie Traders on: February 10, 2023, 02:38:40 PM
Trading can be a lonely and boring business at some point because, you do not have anyone to talk to and are just alone with your computer, phone, or tablet in your room, just trading. And many newbies may at some point think that they are probably wasting too much of their time. If you are in this situation right now, I want you to know that you are not wasting your time.

If you are an experienced trader reading this, how did you know that you were not wasting your time trading at the time when you felt this way?

Learning something new isn't a waste of time, actually everything that we do which gives us happiness or enjoyment is not a waste of time. Trading is a long term process, which consist of so many things, like you're going to face a lot of challenges, failures, disappoinment, happiness, contentment, etc. I believe the only thing that will waste anyone's time is when they shut themselves out by not trying anything to make their life happy, comfortable, and successful.

1129  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: The 4 trading fears and how to overcome them on: February 10, 2023, 01:58:25 PM
Fear of losing money and fear of missing out are the common fears I believe that most of the new traders have.

They want to earn a lot of profits but they don't want to risk their money at the same time, which contradicts everything. While fear of missing out is that they are being jealous to a friend trader who just made a lot of profits in a single trade of a certain coin so he will instantly put his money on that certain coin and expecting to make a lot of profit as well even know he doesn't even know its current situation.
1130  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Started testing the waters in futures trading on: February 09, 2023, 02:44:47 PM
A good start.

It's good to know that you know what you needed to do in order to be profitable in futures trading. You're on the right path, testing out options you see available with a small amount of money to see the results. Though, trading signals from someone you know might not be the best thing, you just got out from your comfort zone as you say but relying on someone's technical analysis won't let you grow.

So you need to stop that and make your own technical analysis. Don't rush yourself, like expecting to have a very good technical analysis when you're just a newbie. It takes time, you have to be emotional, mentally, and financially prepared before proceeding in a big capital in trading.
1131  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: who would you trust? on: February 09, 2023, 01:41:05 PM
Since strategy are always changing in trading, what is the relevance of experience? Who would you trust the most for trading tips,
An old trader who has had better days and mostly still relevant because they have a strong reputation for the fact that he has been trading for a while, or would you trust a new trader who is hot in the market and fresh with new strategies?

If you really want to give it a shot, then trust the experienced trader for tips, but keep in your mind that those tips might be working for him but it might not work for you since we have our own understanding when it comes to complicated things. That's why it is a must that you have to find out it yourself, trial and error. You have to find the right indicators for you, and how you're going to execute what you've learned.
1132  Economy / Gambling / Re: Gambler Loses 1.4 million USD in a bet with lower than 1.01 odds! on: February 08, 2023, 11:41:35 AM
https://nypost.com/2023/01/15/gambler-loses-massive-1-4-million-bet-on-chargers-jaguars-game/
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One bettor wasted a massive $1.4 million wager after betting on Los Angeles before the Jaguars mounted an epic comeback to beat the Chargers 31-30, according to Action Network’s Darren Rovell.

It seems that a gambler has loss this massive amount (1.4 million USD) playing a bet with an odds lower than 1.01! (exactly 1.008)

I think there are several lessons here:
- there is not easy bet! even lower odds there is always a risk.
- it's really risky playing an huge amount. This not helps gambler because the risk is much much higher then rewards!
- gambling is not easy at all! it's really hard achieve a profit even for easy games!

what your opinion about this gambling issue? did you had experience similar experience? how a good gambler should avoid such mistakes?

I wonder whether there is some easy conclusion to be drawn that the player was addicted. We don't know his bankroll and maybe he doesn't even bother because he has billions, but if it was a substantial amount for that person, would it ever make sense to place a bet of that size at all? Saying that this person wanted to play it safe would only apply if that amount of $1.4 million is within his perfect bankroll management range. Otherwise, if someone is seeking the kick in putting up $1.4 million for the chance of winning $11,200, I would think that there is some loss of control at play because nobody would care winning $11,200 in exchange for risking over a million. 

That's a crazy story either way and as you already put it, there is no such thing as a 100% safe bet ever unless you are hedging somehow. But this one ended with way more than a punch in the face...

Money is relative to the wealth of the individual. For most, 1M USD is a lifetime of money, if not several lifetimes in some places. However, for the whales and the big players, 1M USD is just change. It is difficult to understand for people who will struggle all their lives to make a living for their families, but there are people out there that will loose that amount and will not even blink.

As impossible as it may sound, yes there are really people like this who have so much they wouldn't totally care nor even notice that they already loss a massive amount, at least for our perspective because they have so much at their disposal. These are the few lucky ones who are really considered elites and are very much wealthy, not just wealthy, but way beyond. If they don't feel any remorse or regret about risking then losing, then most probably it's just a small amount that they can always earn after a while.

Perhaps those rich people who still feel the guilt are the ones who just understand the value of what they lost after they lost it, realizing that it is indeed a big money still. I encounter more if this one rather the first one though personally speaking and in general matter, not only in gambling but also in risking to other things.
1133  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: High Roller Tailing on: February 08, 2023, 10:50:25 AM
I've tried betting on sports betting and copying other users' bets. As a result I won but what I regret is that I was not too confident to place high bets hahah.

I just casually place bets on sports betting and just like you, I also don't have any knowledge about sports and the teams that compete. Well, placing such bets is just for fun and if I can win, it's a bonus for me Grin

This has been a thing not only in gambling but also in trading. There are many personalities you can copy a bet to and follow their lead. However, just always be careful because there's nothing certain. Even if those good players and bettors have their unlucky moments too. You should stake that you can't really afford to lose especially you just tailed their decision without researching deeper about why they have made that in the first place.

In addition, some of the users who are known to be winning are anonymous, so you can't really verify if they have the enough background on what they are telling in the internet. They might publish a losing bet and then vanish later just to trick people desperate in winning. SO still, be on your guard and always double-check information before making a bet in sports betting or any other betting games.
1134  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Rejecting odd provider's limit on: February 08, 2023, 10:19:53 AM
It's hard to say because I think regardless of having accounts between different casinos you can still get limited by the odds providers if you're a winning player since that's one of the main reasons why they limit users.

It's only a matter of time before the user would get caught again though since I remember reading an old post where gambling sites would sometimes help each other and provide information to stop abusers.

I find it hard to believe that the gambling sites will just easily give information to other websites most especially it those sites are their rival to begin with. It is perhaps possible if the gambling website is sister casino of another website. However, if they told their users that the data will solely for the casino themself, then they shouldn't try to breach it unless they want to be filed by a case for selling data information to third party applications or websites.

I guess casinos are monitoring using the email address yes, so you might want to change that if you want to join and make various casino accounts in different sites, the IP address as well which they can check to pinpoint who's who, and unfortunately you can hardly do anything about this without the usage of vpn, which is not allowed in most gambling websites.
1135  Economy / Gambling / Re: What do you appreciate more Desktop or Phone on: February 08, 2023, 09:45:18 AM
On that case, I will agree to you better to also consider the risk when you have someone else around, I mean if your kids or even your wife have that same access to your computer, it can be a risk that they can use your account and bet your money without your knowledge, personal phone or mobile devices got some advantage on it, but if you will be open and you can secure your account using pc/laptop still best for a much comfortable gaming experienced.
I remember last week's newspaper news that his son spent $1k on food using his father's cell phone, maybe the same thing can happen to gambling if our cell phones are often used by children and wives and we forget to log out of gambling accounts from cell phones, so the advice is not to save passwords automatically in the browser and must add additional security access when accessing your email to avoid resetting the password sent to the email.

This is why as a responsible gambler, parent, and husband/wife, you should really take time to make your accounts secure to avoid things like these that can be prevented by taking precautions. Disciplining your kids and letting your kids and wife/husband know that it isn't right to touch someone else's property unless you permit them to do so, will have a very big impact despite how simple that act is. Putting security passcode to your mobile device and user account in your desktop could be of great help as well so they won't be able to access what isn't allowed.

With our technology nowadays, you can set up a dual space in your mobile device wherein you could switch from time to time depending on who will be using. You could also install or activate the work profile mode in order for you to do your business there and your kids will still be able to play with your phone. App lock can be useful too the same way with making another user to log in in desktop.
1136  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: how many times have you intended to stop gambling on: February 08, 2023, 09:13:45 AM
Gambling has become an everyday thing for some people and this act has lead to serious addiction which is not good. When gambling we should understand that we are just playing for fun. Most people i know around always take gambling as a very serious issue and i have this particular friend that always complains to me how he has stopped gambling but from no where you still see him gambling again. Me myself am a sesonal gambler and i only gamble on the sport i know which is soccer, i think exploration of new gambling games you are familiar with also causes this repeated feeling of always quitting gambling. I just want to know if this phrase is common among everyone or its just he catch phrase whenever you experiences a big loss.

Some gamblers who are addicted in gambling has a bad habit of going back over and over again despite their claims that they will not gamble anymore. This is because of lack of professional intervention and medical help to get them over their addiction. No necessary treatment and rehabilitation was done in most cases, hence, they end up having a relapse whenever they want to cut gambling off their lives.

Some gambler addicts can surpass this challenge all by themselves and with the help of those people around them, but in most instances, they don't fully recover and overcome it because once they decide to flush it from their system, sooner or later, they'll feel the need for it and thus crave for it even more. With this, the outcome is them going back to their old habits and repeating the cycle.
1137  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Betting strategy question on: February 07, 2023, 01:17:06 PM
I think it out people just derive their own strategies in betting because the way I'm seeing betting of any game he must at least have your own strategies and people do not learn from other people before they win, wining of gambling is just a lock of people you can when you are lucky enough there's nothing will make you not to win a gambling gambling is a Grease so there's no strategies that you can use in gamblwin  that will make you for me when God it is not directed to win gambling

Some people have their very own strategies and techniques in gambling even before they achieve a winning. Some people are smart enough to compose and think about various ways to win without relying on the knowledge of other people, but merely relying on their knowledge, skills, and experiences. Although there are also many people who come up with innovated strategies from those existing ones and I think there's nothing really wrong with it as long as they crafted the idea of the technique improving and modifying the current ones based on their creativity and critical thinking skills.
1138  Economy / Gambling / Re: What sort of Weekly & Monthly Bonuses do Bitcointalk members want? on: February 07, 2023, 12:28:41 PM
I´m not a VIP in any place and that makes me feel excluded from the main benefits that can be obtained, and that runs from a place to me, that they only give benefits to them and not to others, it is like something already very important. exclusion, maybe it only happens to me and a few, but if they give benefits it should be for everyone, for the vvip, the new ones and the regular players, that's just a suggestion but since it's about giving and telling the truth, that's it, and if a site grows should be with all clients, those who have the clouds and everything.
Maybe people who don't pursue VIP status won't think about what bonuses they want because reaching the VIP level isn't as easy as we imagine. So maybe those who play gambling only expect bonuses after we deposit some money and as long as the minimum deposit limit is not too high to get these bonuses, I think there will be lots of people trying to get them. Getting bonuses from those casinos is something that comes in handy for little gamblers like us so hopefully, the casinos still think of us.
For the highest ViP membership, I believe for whale players, half are into leveling up their accounts and getting up bonuses, on the other hand, the next half could just be playing, having fun, and/or profiting from the experience. VIP programs are really big thing specially if the account is already at the highest VIP level.


VIP level bonuses are really wanted by every user because they can be used to play or bet again without having to make a deposit if their balance in the casino wallet has run out. However, not all users can have a VIP level account to be able to get this bonus. .
Because we can see there are lots of new gamblers and some small gamblers who still have low account levels.
Maybe if there is a weekly or monthly bonus that is given with fairly low wagering requirements it can be more helpful and can make the casino a favorite casino because customers can easily get the bonus they want.

Bonuses are often given to those who VIP's indeed. Well, of course they deserve it since they hold such an important status in the casino. However, it will be nice as well to have bonuses given to those small time players who aspire to have piece of rewards for their loyalty and wagering a specific amount in the casino. After all, collective small players still bring profit to the casino.

Perhaps a casino could write a rule wherein they could give monthly bonus to those top wagering players, and weekly bonus to those top players with longest time spent playing, or having many wins. A casino can draft so much about this bonus that more of their players will enjoy the reward, not only the upper bracket which will surely make their clients happy.
1139  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes on: February 07, 2023, 11:25:58 AM
I believe there's no AI that would help us win in gambling, we cannot just solely base on statistics because that will result in a disaster. Successful gamblers based their prediction on different factors and stats alone although a major factor but it's not the main thing that would help them succeed in what they are doing.

Thing is, if one player will miss a game due to injury, that would definitely make the AI inaccurate in its prediction.

This makes sense.

If we're going to rely to AI, there is still no guarantee that we will win the bet because AI's predicted results isn't really foolproof. AI just also depends on the information that is stored in its system, and it still hasn't fully eliminated the error that could possibly happen. While there could be a smaller percentage of being wrong because it got rid of human errors based on the program, deciding solely on its prediction should be taken into account first.

Analyzation whether it is probable or not should still take into place to avoid regrets later on. We can't still beat a double-checked information from factual and updated sources after all.
1140  Economy / Gambling / Re: Gambler Loses 1.4 million USD in a bet with lower than 1.01 odds! on: February 07, 2023, 10:50:15 AM
We don't know his bankroll and maybe he doesn't even bother because he has billions, but if it was a substantial amount for that person, would it ever make sense to place a bet of that size at all? Saying that this person wanted to play it safe would only apply if that amount of $1.4 million is within his perfect bankroll management range. Otherwise, if someone is seeking the kick in putting up $1.4 million for the chance of winning $11,200, I would think that there is some loss of control at play because nobody would care winning $11,200 in exchange for risking over a million. 
Observed so many people in this thread thinking that this gambler might not have cared much about this loss because he could have been a whale, but I completely disagree since it's still a lot of money for them too at the end of the day.

Rich people are usually more greedy when compared to poor people. Whether this gambler was a whale or not, this loss most probably affected him/her in a big way.

I agree with this. Despite being a gambler that has a huge money at his disposal, at the end of the day, if he lost a huge amount, it's still a loss and definitely it will still sting no matter how many money he has left. Although maybe if he has so much to the point that he doesn't care at all, it will be okay. However, collective losses will sum up to a huge loss too if you will compute it. Hence, it's much better to gamble responsibly and with caution to avoid losing especially if it involves a big amount.

Risking a huge amount just for the sake of betting without really assessing the situation will just result to possible losses. Miscalculation can also put you into a great risk. Gamblers must still place bets and play with strategy in mind, prepared for any outcome - better or worst.
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