Cricket match prediction discussions

[blatchcorn]

There are two recent incidents which I wanna discuss:

1. Kohli addressing directly the broadcaster in stumps during 3rd test against SA 
2. Moises Henriques saying "nice throw" to Pak bowler Hasnain in BBL 

So far ICC has not taken any disciplinary action against both player's. The reason is obvious both are from big 3 countries. Had this done by player from Pakistan, Bangladesh or WI ICC will have used his guide book against them. Cricket truly is under big 3 control.

[JSRAW]

There are two recent incidents which I wanna discuss:

1. Kohli addressing directly broadcasting in stumps during 3rd test against SA  
2. Moises Henriques saying "nice throw" to Pak bowler Hasnain in BBL  

So far ICC has not taken any disciplinary action against both player's. The reason is obvious both are from big 3 countries. Had this done by player from Pakistan, Bangladesh or WI ICC will have used his guide book against them. Cricket truly is under big 3 control.

Didn't see Hasnain bowling action (and not interested in BBL) so don't know what to make of Henrigues's comment but i did watch the SA vs India match.

Virat said “Focus on your team as well when they shine the ball eh, not just the opposition. Trying to catch people all the time,”

Personally i don't see any wrong in Virat's comment. He was indicating towards "Sand Paper Gate" and how broadcaster Supersport only follow opposition players, which is 99% true. Timing of comment was very wrong tho.

But overall i do agree with your post. PIG-3 players, especially Indian players gets only a slap on the wrist for any disciplinary breach.

I guess most of the test cricket fans are either retirees or those who are unemployed, as none of the other demographic groups have that much spare time.

Ummm does fanatic fan counts?

[galambo]

But overall i do agree with your post. PIG-3 players, especially Indian players gets only a slap on the wrist for any disciplinary breach.

Clearly ICC is in hands of big 3 and there players enjoy powers of these boards. Australia already have supreme powers in cricket along with England but now India has surpassed them. There is no regulating body in cricket right now as anyone who is financially rich can do whatever he wants. Irony.

[TheGreatPython]

There are two recent incidents which I wanna discuss:

1. Kohli addressing directly the broadcaster in stumps during 3rd test against SA  
2. Moises Henriques saying "nice throw" to Pak bowler Hasnain in BBL  

So far ICC has not taken any disciplinary action against both player's. The reason is obvious both are from big 3 countries. Had this done by player from Pakistan, Bangladesh or WI ICC will have used his guide book against them. Cricket truly is under big 3 control.

Just because of these biased things this beautiful game of cricket is losing its passion in few countries ICC never been good in these things mostly they favored their own teams and their players so these things happening regularly specially with these big3 which have no control on their players and their ways which creating some serious problems.

If they want to do some better things for future surely they need some better neutral policies and better way of handling all players with same law sometime back few other officials also complain about few teams players attitude which was very bad, but it's never settled so now coming more badly out because these boards have enough power and their players feel their self out of law.

[blatchcorn]

Didn't see Hasnain bowling action (and not interested in BBL) so don't know what to make of Henrigues's comment but i did watch the SA vs India match.

Virat said “Focus on your team as well when they shine the ball eh, not just the opposition. Trying to catch people all the time,”

Personally i don't see any wrong in Virat's comment. He was indicating towards "Sand Paper Gate" and how broadcaster Supersport only follow opposition players, which is 99% true. Timing of comment was very wrong tho.

But overall i do agree with your post. PIG-3 players, especially Indian players gets only a slap on the wrist for any disciplinary breach.

Henrigues said on face of Hasnain 'nice throw' which is clearly against the spirit of cricket. But rather then then giving him some punishment his sledging was taken seriously and bowling action of Hasnain was reported by Umpire. Its totally a joke.
Virat or any Indian player can do whatever he want, since nobody wanna lose IPL contracts.

[Mamun74]

For me,Many times I'm enjoying Test cricket match and One day Cricket match.If T-20 Is best but these firmat cricket have entertainment. Every formt cricket has their own benefit. There are too much match around right now U-19 and some Leaugue .Few years ago people Watched touch and Final score but now People are more interesting in cricket and they are fully enjoying in cricket.

[romero121]

But overall i do agree with your post. PIG-3 players, especially Indian players gets only a slap on the wrist for any disciplinary breach.

Clearly ICC is in hands of big 3 and there players enjoy powers of these boards. Australia already have supreme powers in cricket along with England but now India has surpassed them. There is no regulating body in cricket right now as anyone who is financially rich can do whatever he wants. Irony.

This is the reality. BCCI being one of the richest sports organization have gained more power. As said it was Australia and England that had control over ICC, and now it is the decision of India. Many time this has come out as a big issue, but nothing has caused a change. Nowadays politics too have begun to enter the organisation which is really bad for sports growth.

[SirLancelot]

Clearly ICC is in hands of big 3 and there players enjoy powers of these boards. Australia already have supreme powers in cricket along with England but now India has surpassed them. There is no regulating body in cricket right now as anyone who is financially rich can do whatever he wants. Irony.

This is the reality. BCCI being one of the richest sports organization have gained more power. As said it was Australia and England that had control over ICC, and now it is the decision of India. Many time this has come out as a big issue, but nothing has caused a change. Nowadays politics too have begun to enter the organisation which is really bad for sports growth.

Here is nothing special even if BCCI is richest sports organization because it's all about cricket and sports now they need to lead from front, but they are creating bad examples for future and other boards. Many times we watch many bad things coming from Indian side and ICC is having nothing with these all they need some better management and sportsman ship because we want to enjoy game, and it's very important for all parties to play fair with this all.

While when Australia and England were in hold they have never done things like this but now as India having hold they are creating many bad things which are never been part of this game and these can create serious concerns for others.

[Sithara007]

Clearly ICC is in hands of big 3 and there players enjoy powers of these boards. Australia already have supreme powers in cricket along with England but now India has surpassed them. There is no regulating body in cricket right now as anyone who is financially rich can do whatever he wants. Irony.

When Shashank Manohar was the ICC chairman, he added more voting members to the executive council, and this diluted the power of pig-3. The issue here is not the dominance of the pig-3, but the lack of unity among the remaining members. When New Zealand and England cancelled the Pakistan tour, how many of the other countries supported Pakistan? The same happened with South Africa as well. Tours were cancelled citing the COVID concern. They received zero support from the other members.

[blatchcorn]

When Shashank Manohar was the ICC chairman, he added more voting members to the executive council, and this diluted the power of pig-3. The issue here is not the dominance of the pig-3, but the lack of unity among the remaining members. When New Zealand and England cancelled the Pakistan tour, how many of the other countries supported Pakistan? The same happened with South Africa as well. Tours were cancelled citing the COVID concern. They received zero support from the other members.

You are absolutely correct. There is zero communication among rest of boards, they just wanna save there own interest. What happen with Pakistan was hilarious but none of small board stood up for them. Small boards are sitting like ducks waiting there turn to be hunted down by big 3.

[Emitdama]

When Shashank Manohar was the ICC chairman, he added more voting members to the executive council, and this diluted the power of pig-3. The issue here is not the dominance of the pig-3, but the lack of unity among the remaining members. When New Zealand and England cancelled the Pakistan tour, how many of the other countries supported Pakistan? The same happened with South Africa as well. Tours were cancelled citing the COVID concern. They received zero support from the other members.

You are absolutely correct. There is zero communication among rest of boards, they just wanna save there own interest. What happen with Pakistan was hilarious but none of small board stood up for them. Small boards are sitting like ducks waiting there turn to be hunted down by big 3.

ICC is never been an ideal sports organization it's run by England and Australia just for own sack and now as change of power happened and India is having power they are doing this all for their own sack so never expect any good and better thing from these members for others because we have some good number of things which are happening here politics personal likes and dislikes and own preferences are more important for all boards, and they are giving name of governments that they are not allowing about this.

We never have these concerns in other organizations because these are going with their strong system and policies for all which are much better and suitable for all members, not for just one or two.

[Sithara007]

ICC is never been an ideal sports organization it's run by England and Australia just for own sack and now as change of power happened and India is having power they are doing this all for their own sack so never expect any good and better thing from these members for others because we have some good number of things which are happening here politics personal likes and dislikes and own preferences are more important for all boards, and they are giving name of governments that they are not allowing about this.

We never have these concerns in other organizations because these are going with their strong system and policies for all which are much better and suitable for all members, not for just one or two.

The voting system within the ICC is designed in a way to reduce the power of smaller teams. In FIFA, all the 200 plus members have the same voting rights. But within ICC, only the test playing nations have full voting rights. And until very recently, the pig-4 (ENG, AUS, IND and NZ) controlled 5-6 votes out of a total of 12. When Manohar was the chairman, he added 4 more voting members (two new test nations - IRE, AFG as well as two votes for chairman and independent director). So the pig-4 now controls 6 votes or so out of 16, which is no way near the majority (the chairman and director usually sides with them, so I have written a total of 6).   

[JSRAW]

Didn't see Hasnain bowling action (and not interested in BBL) so don't know what to make of Henrigues's comment but i did watch the SA vs India match.

Virat said “Focus on your team as well when they shine the ball eh, not just the opposition. Trying to catch people all the time,”

Personally i don't see any wrong in Virat's comment. He was indicating towards "Sand Paper Gate" and how broadcaster Supersport only follow opposition players, which is 99% true. Timing of comment was very wrong tho.

But overall i do agree with your post. PIG-3 players, especially Indian players gets only a slap on the wrist for any disciplinary breach.

Henrigues said on face of Hasnain 'nice throw' which is clearly against the spirit of cricket. But rather then then giving him some punishment his sledging was taken seriously and bowling action of Hasnain was reported by Umpire. Its totally a joke.
Virat or any Indian player can do whatever he want, since nobody wanna lose IPL contracts.

That's not how it works, if that was the case then Umpire could have land into some serious trouble even losing his job.

Normally it works like this. Umpire notice something fishy with the bowling action, then they warn the bowler along with his captain and so on. There is possibility that Henrigues sledged Hasnain after umpire's concern, not defending Henrigues's statement but setting the record straight with series of events as per cricketing norm.

[Juggy777]

Didn't see Hasnain bowling action (and not interested in BBL) so don't know what to make of Henrigues's comment but i did watch the SA vs India match.

Virat said “Focus on your team as well when they shine the ball eh, not just the opposition. Trying to catch people all the time,”

Personally i don't see any wrong in Virat's comment. He was indicating towards "Sand Paper Gate" and how broadcaster Supersport only follow opposition players, which is 99% true. Timing of comment was very wrong tho.

But overall i do agree with your post. PIG-3 players, especially Indian players gets only a slap on the wrist for any disciplinary breach.

Henrigues said on face of Hasnain 'nice throw' which is clearly against the spirit of cricket. But rather then then giving him some punishment his sledging was taken seriously and bowling action of Hasnain was reported by Umpire. Its totally a joke.
Virat or any Indian player can do whatever he want, since nobody wanna lose IPL contracts.

That's not how it works, if that was the case then Umpire could have land into some serious trouble even losing his job.

Normally it works like this. Umpire notice something fishy with the bowling action, then they warn the bowler along with his captain and so on. There is possibility that Henrigues sledged Hasnain after umpire's concern, not defending Henrigues's statement but setting the record straight with series of events as per cricketing norm.

@JSRAW I totally agree with you because there’re strict guidelines in place for this, and no umpire cannot just report for the sake of it, he needs to back it with evidence that all rules were broken and hence he had to report it. Furthermore Virat been extra emotional since his captaincy issue, but he should carefully mince his words because he could face fines or even bans if he crosses a line, and I’m hoping going ahead he doesn’t indulge in this kind of behaviour.

[blatchcorn]

ICC is never been an ideal sports organization it's run by England and Australia just for own sack and now as change of power happened and India is having power they are doing this all for their own sack so never expect any good and better thing from these members for others because we have some good number of things which are happening here politics personal likes and dislikes and own preferences are more important for all boards, and they are giving name of governments that they are not allowing about this.

We never have these concerns in other organizations because these are going with their strong system and policies for all which are much better and suitable for all members, not for just one or two.

Sadly India is siding with England and Australia after getting supreme status in cricket due to IPL. India in the past was also abused by England and Australia but for sake of money India has forgotten everything and now doing  same what England and Australia were doing  in the past to small boards.
In near future we must not expect something good from icc since they have a minor role in regulating cricket affairs.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Didn't see Hasnain bowling action (and not interested in BBL) so don't know what to make of Henrigues's comment but i did watch the SA vs India match.
Virat said “Focus on your team as well when they shine the ball eh, not just the opposition. Trying to catch people all the time,”
Personally i don't see any wrong in Virat's comment. He was indicating towards "Sand Paper Gate" and how broadcaster Supersport only follow opposition players, which is 99% true. Timing of comment was very wrong tho.
But overall i do agree with your post. PIG-3 players, especially Indian players gets only a slap on the wrist for any disciplinary breach.

Henrigues said on face of Hasnain 'nice throw' which is clearly against the spirit of cricket. But rather then then giving him some punishment his sledging was taken seriously and bowling action of Hasnain was reported by Umpire. Its totally a joke.
Virat or any Indian player can do whatever he want, since nobody wanna lose IPL contracts.

That's not how it works, if that was the case then Umpire could have land into some serious trouble even losing his job.
Normally it works like this. Umpire notice something fishy with the bowling action, then they warn the bowler along with his captain and so on. There is possibility that Henrigues sledged Hasnain after umpire's concern, not defending Henrigues's statement but setting the record straight with series of events as per cricketing norm.

@JSRAW I totally agree with you because there’re strict guidelines in place for this, and no umpire cannot just report for the sake of it, he needs to back it with evidence that all rules were broken and hence he had to report it. Furthermore Virat been extra emotional since his captaincy issue, but he should carefully mince his words because he could face fines or even bans if he crosses a line, and I’m hoping going ahead he doesn’t indulge in this kind of behaviour.

Yes, there was a time when the on-field umpire code directly call a no-ball if he just thought that the bowler was throwing.
But after the Muttiah Muralitharan incident against Australia, the rules have changed for the umpires.

An umpire cannot just call a no-ball for throwing. First, he has to give away to the bowler, then to the bowling captain, and then consult with his leg umpire. And Virat can obviously be emotional but he needs to understand that he cannot cross a certain boundary. Even though he knows that he is deprived of something which he deserves.

[galambo]

Yes, there was a time when the on-field umpire code directly call a no-ball if he just thought that the bowler was throwing.
But after the Muttiah Muralitharan incident against Australia, the rules have changed for the umpires.

An umpire cannot just call a no-ball for throwing. First, he has to give away to the bowler, then to the bowling captain, and then consult with his leg umpire. And Virat can obviously be emotional but he needs to understand that he cannot cross a certain boundary. Even though he knows that he is deprived of something which he deserves.

Muttiah Muralitharan incident happened in era when small boards have some space in ICC body. Arjuna Ranatunga the then SL captain took firm stand on that non-sense move by Aussie umpire and it was fully supported by SL cricket board, as a result Muttiah Muralitharan continued his career without further interruption. Nowadays rules are set to favor Big 3 players, no major player from big 3 is reported AFAIK.

[Swordsoffreedom]

^^ Actually, I think Murali had to undergo some tests where he had to prove that he was not throwing the ball. And as far as I know, that kept him away from international cricket but that was for a really short period of time.

However, umpires don't have the authority to do that kind of nonsense in the field anymore. I also remember in a Pakistan versus New Zealand match, where Ross Taylor complained that Hafeez was throwing the ball on the field to The umpire and the umpire told Ross Taylor that this will be looked at by the umpire and he does not need to worry about that.

Hafeez was also just cleared by the ICC for his bowling action. So I have to say that the rules have changed now and the umpires have to follow the rules strictly as well as the players and everyone else.

[doomloop]

Muttiah Muralitharan incident happened in era when small boards have some space in ICC body. Arjuna Ranatunga the then SL captain took firm stand on that non-sense move by Aussie umpire and it was fully supported by SL cricket board, as a result Muttiah Muralitharan continued his career without further interruption. Nowadays rules are set to favor Big 3 players, no major player from big 3 is reported AFAIK.

While we have this incident there was good thing India was not superior and all Asian block was in good shape but sadly after Indian control we lost this and now there are just Big 3 those are doing things for their own sack and just because of IPL money many other boards are not taking any risk and going against them which is really poor from them.

Right now, if few boards take some strict actions then surely we can do some things in better way, but we are split and this is killing with West Indies cricket is struggling very badly South African and Zimbabwe are having their own issues which are very bad for them and some other boards are also having not enough power to create any block, so now we have nothing positive for this ICC and its dual policies.

[Sithara007]

Muttiah Muralitharan incident happened in era when small boards have some space in ICC body. Arjuna Ranatunga the then SL captain took firm stand on that non-sense move by Aussie umpire and it was fully supported by SL cricket board, as a result Muttiah Muralitharan continued his career without further interruption. Nowadays rules are set to favor Big 3 players, no major player from big 3 is reported AFAIK.

Back then, the political grouping was different. The Asian countries were pitted against the SENA and the former grouping had less voting power (back then Bangladesh and Afghanistan were not full members). So back then, the BCCI and PCB were solidly behind the SLCB. On the other hand, England, NZ, SA and WICB were in the other group. But now the situation is different. The BCCI is in the same grouping as CA, ECB and CNZ. I don't think that they will take a favorable stance in case boards like SLCB or PCB need some support.