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December 08, 2017, 09:01:33 AM
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HI Guys. I'm really loving LeonArdo. I now have it running on a Linux VPS after some initial troubles setting it up.

Still trying to learn the best way to get a profit out of it - so far any small to medium gains it does make seem to get wiped out by one big dip in one of the pairs it's working on.

On the margin maker bot for example I'm struggling to get the right parameters set so that a 10-15% dip in value doesn't stop the bot. I'm posting two examples - in both I set a stop loss of around 5-8% and a negative minimum margin of -1.0% - -2.% but it seems the bot ignored the dropping price completely until it reached the stop-loss value.

How can I best set the stop loss and negative minimum effective gain % so that the bot keeps trading effectively even after a 10=15% drop in price?

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Ended up running tightVNC on a VPS to fix my shittyslow internet connection.

Runs like a charm :p

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Does this application make use of multiple cores?
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December 08, 2017, 09:20:54 AM
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Ended up running tightVNC on a VPS to fix my shittyslow internet connection.

Runs like a charm :p

EDIT:
Does this application make use of multiple cores?

Yeah I ended up running a VNC on a DigitalOcean VPS for basically the same reason. Jonathan said earlier that a dual core CPU would be optimal. I'm currently running it on 1 core, 3GB memory and it seems fine once it's running with around 5-6 pairs. The GUI can be a bit slow when I'm initiating pair strategies, but once it's all set its fine.

once I figure out how to stop it making losses on big dips and it actually starts earning it's keep I will probably upgrade to a 2 core VPS.
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December 08, 2017, 12:44:10 PM
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Is there any way to navigate a large list of coins in Leonardo easily? The list at the top is not good at all. Clunky and slow.

As a day trader, it is critical to be able to navigate dozens or even a hundred or more pairs instantly.

I'm finding it impossible to do that on Leonardo so far, unless I'm missing some feature.

Also, and just to be honest here... the charts are pretty rough looking, especially the 1 minute candle charts. Is there any way you could incorporate tradingview charts into it?
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December 08, 2017, 05:17:49 PM
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Ended up running tightVNC on a VPS to fix my shittyslow internet connection.

Runs like a charm :p

EDIT:
Does this application make use of multiple cores?

Hi,

yes leonArdo runs on multiple cores. Four or six cores definitely help!
But still the API limits on the exchanges can't be lifted by using more cores Smiley

All the best,

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December 08, 2017, 05:21:09 PM
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Is there any way to navigate a large list of coins in Leonardo easily? The list at the top is not good at all. Clunky and slow.

As a day trader, it is critical to be able to navigate dozens or even a hundred or more pairs instantly.

I'm finding it impossible to do that on Leonardo so far, unless I'm missing some feature.

Also, and just to be honest here... the charts are pretty rough looking, especially the 1 minute candle charts. Is there any way you could incorporate tradingview charts into it?

We hear ya in terms of the top bar/overview area! A re-design of that area in on our wish list.
In terms of the charts we tend to dis agree. Maybe there is a display issue on you system?
If you send a screenshot on, we are happy to take a look!

All the best,

  Rene

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December 08, 2017, 05:31:37 PM
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HI Guys. I'm really loving LeonArdo. I now have it running on a Linux VPS after some initial troubles setting it up.

Still trying to learn the best way to get a profit out of it - so far any small to medium gains it does make seem to get wiped out by one big dip in one of the pairs it's working on.

On the margin maker bot for example I'm struggling to get the right parameters set so that a 10-15% dip in value doesn't stop the bot. I'm posting two examples - in both I set a stop loss of around 5-8% and a negative minimum margin of -1.0% - -2.% but it seems the bot ignored the dropping price completely until it reached the stop-loss value.

How can I best set the stop loss and negative minimum effective gain % so that the bot keeps trading effectively even after a 10=15% drop in price?






The negative minimum gain forces that you won't make a loss more that x% between a buy and a sell.
The stop loss sells at x% as a downside protection and stops the bot.

If you want the strategy to continue you would have to set a bigger % for stop loss.
Hope that helps.

All the best,

  Rene

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December 08, 2017, 06:30:24 PM
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HI Guys. I'm really loving LeonArdo. I now have it running on a Linux VPS after some initial troubles setting it up.

Still trying to learn the best way to get a profit out of it - so far any small to medium gains it does make seem to get wiped out by one big dip in one of the pairs it's working on.

On the margin maker bot for example I'm struggling to get the right parameters set so that a 10-15% dip in value doesn't stop the bot. I'm posting two examples - in both I set a stop loss of around 5-8% and a negative minimum margin of -1.0% - -2.% but it seems the bot ignored the dropping price completely until it reached the stop-loss value.

How can I best set the stop loss and negative minimum effective gain % so that the bot keeps trading effectively even after a 10=15% drop in price?

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4568/27132915409_6cabb9d040_o.png

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4586/25038073888_f90c9dc487_o.png


The negative minimum gain forces that you won't make a loss more that x% between a buy and a sell.
The stop loss sells at x% as a downside protection and stops the bot.

If you want the strategy to continue you would have to set a bigger % for stop loss.
Hope that helps.

All the best,

  Rene

Right (thanks for your response), but as you can see in the screenshots, the first trades made an effective loss that was bigger than the negative minimum gain - so shouldn't it have sold before it even reached the stop loss?
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December 08, 2017, 08:28:17 PM
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HI Guys. I'm really loving LeonArdo. I now have it running on a Linux VPS after some initial troubles setting it up.

Still trying to learn the best way to get a profit out of it - so far any small to medium gains it does make seem to get wiped out by one big dip in one of the pairs it's working on.

On the margin maker bot for example I'm struggling to get the right parameters set so that a 10-15% dip in value doesn't stop the bot. I'm posting two examples - in both I set a stop loss of around 5-8% and a negative minimum margin of -1.0% - -2.% but it seems the bot ignored the dropping price completely until it reached the stop-loss value.

How can I best set the stop loss and negative minimum effective gain % so that the bot keeps trading effectively even after a 10=15% drop in price?






The negative minimum gain forces that you won't make a loss more that x% between a buy and a sell.
The stop loss sells at x% as a downside protection and stops the bot.

If you want the strategy to continue you would have to set a bigger % for stop loss.
Hope that helps.

All the best,

  Rene

Right (thanks for your response), but as you can see in the screenshots, the first trades made an effective loss that was bigger than the negative minimum gain - so shouldn't it have sold before it even reached the stop loss?

The reason for that loss was the stop loss which triggered the sell.  So with a bigger stop loss % the strategy wouldn't have sold. Setting a lower* stop loss would have prevented the sell in this case.

Hope that helps!

*lower= lower price = bigger acceptable loss

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HI Guys. I'm really loving LeonArdo. I now have it running on a Linux VPS after some initial troubles setting it up.

Still trying to learn the best way to get a profit out of it - so far any small to medium gains it does make seem to get wiped out by one big dip in one of the pairs it's working on.

On the margin maker bot for example I'm struggling to get the right parameters set so that a 10-15% dip in value doesn't stop the bot. I'm posting two examples - in both I set a stop loss of around 5-8% and a negative minimum margin of -1.0% - -2.% but it seems the bot ignored the dropping price completely until it reached the stop-loss value.

How can I best set the stop loss and negative minimum effective gain % so that the bot keeps trading effectively even after a 10=15% drop in price?

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4568/27132915409_6cabb9d040_o.png

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4586/25038073888_f90c9dc487_o.png


The negative minimum gain forces that you won't make a loss more that x% between a buy and a sell.
The stop loss sells at x% as a downside protection and stops the bot.

If you want the strategy to continue you would have to set a bigger % for stop loss.
Hope that helps.

All the best,

  Rene

Right (thanks for your response), but as you can see in the screenshots, the first trades made an effective loss that was bigger than the negative minimum gain - so shouldn't it have sold before it even reached the stop loss?

The reason for that loss was the stop loss which triggered the sell.  So with a bigger stop loss % the strategy wouldn't have sold. Setting a lower* stop loss would have prevented the sell in this case.

Hope that helps!

*lower= lower price = bigger acceptable loss



Ok thank you. I'm struggling a bit to get my head around what the negative minimum gain value means in practice and how it interacts with the other variables. I understand how it works as a positive value - I think, but as a negative value it's a bit confusing.

So given a negative value of -2.0 as an example - does that mean if the price drops more than 2% (of the buy price) that the bot will sell at that point and then resume buying to attempt a profitable trade? or is there something else I'm missing?

The losses it made in those screenshots were last night. Since then I've changed the stop losses to higher % values and have seen  the loss from last night recovered *but* there haven't been any huge dips yet like there were last night, so still need to test a bit more. I'm slowly getting to a point where I think I understand all the parameters enough to set things up to make steady gains... Almost.

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December 08, 2017, 09:20:22 PM
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Is there any way to navigate a large list of coins in Leonardo easily? The list at the top is not good at all. Clunky and slow.

As a day trader, it is critical to be able to navigate dozens or even a hundred or more pairs instantly.

I'm finding it impossible to do that on Leonardo so far, unless I'm missing some feature.

Also, and just to be honest here... the charts are pretty rough looking, especially the 1 minute candle charts. Is there any way you could incorporate tradingview charts into it?

We hear ya in terms of the top bar/overview area! A re-design of that area in on our wish list.
In terms of the charts we tend to dis agree. Maybe there is a display issue on you system?
If you send a screenshot on, we are happy to take a look!

All the best,

  Rene

Would be cool to, have a low rate call to Coinmarketcap* it's API.
To then add a percentage to the coin list.

It's a veryveryvery neat hotfix to add more value to the current design imo.

If only this bot were open source :c
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December 08, 2017, 11:04:44 PM
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Hello. I installed a demo version and when I try to open the programm I get this error https://image.prntscr.com/image/CV7dnyUyTcu3uA3jfZ1Ktg.png . I have a windows 10 and all versions of framework and visial c++ are installed. Can somebody help me to figure out what is wrong?
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December 09, 2017, 12:49:59 AM
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Hey team. Only a few days left till end of year. Is the next release still on target Smiley


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December 09, 2017, 02:10:28 AM
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HI Guys. I'm really loving LeonArdo. I now have it running on a Linux VPS after some initial troubles setting it up.

Still trying to learn the best way to get a profit out of it - so far any small to medium gains it does make seem to get wiped out by one big dip in one of the pairs it's working on.

On the margin maker bot for example I'm struggling to get the right parameters set so that a 10-15% dip in value doesn't stop the bot. I'm posting two examples - in both I set a stop loss of around 5-8% and a negative minimum margin of -1.0% - -2.% but it seems the bot ignored the dropping price completely until it reached the stop-loss value.

How can I best set the stop loss and negative minimum effective gain % so that the bot keeps trading effectively even after a 10=15% drop in price?






The negative minimum gain forces that you won't make a loss more that x% between a buy and a sell.
The stop loss sells at x% as a downside protection and stops the bot.

If you want the strategy to continue you would have to set a bigger % for stop loss.
Hope that helps.

All the best,

  Rene

Right (thanks for your response), but as you can see in the screenshots, the first trades made an effective loss that was bigger than the negative minimum gain - so shouldn't it have sold before it even reached the stop loss?

The reason for that loss was the stop loss which triggered the sell.  So with a bigger stop loss % the strategy wouldn't have sold. Setting a lower* stop loss would have prevented the sell in this case.

Hope that helps!

*lower= lower price = bigger acceptable loss



Ok thank you. I'm struggling a bit to get my head around what the negative minimum gain value means in practice and how it interacts with the other variables. I understand how it works as a positive value - I think, but as a negative value it's a bit confusing.

So given a negative value of -2.0 as an example - does that mean if the price drops more than 2% (of the buy price) that the bot will sell at that point and then resume buying to attempt a profitable trade? or is there something else I'm missing?

The losses it made in those screenshots were last night. Since then I've changed the stop losses to higher % values and have seen  the loss from last night recovered *but* there haven't been any huge dips yet like there were last night, so still need to test a bit more. I'm slowly getting to a point where I think I understand all the parameters enough to set things up to make steady gains... Almost.



The negative eff gain % does not work the way you think.
The eff gain will only kick in *when* the SELL price is actually lower than what the BUY price was.

Now I have not been able to confirm if the % is from the buy price or the actual sell price *once* its below of the buy price.
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Hello. I installed a demo version and when I try to open the programm I get this error . I have a windows 10 and all versions of framework and visial c++ are installed. Can somebody help me to figure out what is wrong?

Do you happen to have Bitdefender installed? I used to get these same errors (not on opening the app, though, but after some time), and they were 100% gone after I added "C:\Program Files (x86)\mArgin-leonArdo\leonardo.exe" to Bitdefender's Advanced Threat Defense exclusions. Now it runs 100% stable for hours and hours, without a single crash. Even if you don't use Bitdefender but another antivirus, try something equivalent and see how it goes.
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How fast does this bot trade and keep charts updated with bittrex? Is it as fast as being directly on the bittrex site, or is there a delay/lag in the order book, charts, buys and sells?

Is it faster than the delay between coinigy/bittrex?

Lastly, why does Windows warn me that your demo is dangerous and I should not run it.

I used to use Bittrex, but now I moved to Bitfinex, because their API is faster (at least for my use). Bittrex uses a REST API, while Bitfinex uses Websockets, which are more appropriate for this kind of scenario (lots of pushes from the server side, realtime updates etc.). As far as I know, only Bitfinex implements Websockets. The exchanges have different policies, fees etc., so check that before choosing one. If trading performance is the most important thing, I'd recommend Bitfinex.

Trading with leonArdo is MUCH, much better than with the website interface (Bittrex or Bitfinex). Try the demo and you'll surprise yourself. And regarding the Windows Defender warning, it's a false-positive, you can safely run the app.
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December 09, 2017, 03:46:25 AM
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@frodev - you also might try changing the Stop Loss setting from Relative to Absolute. I found that in the Relative mode the Stop Loss will trend with the direction of the margin range. This could result in a percentage loss greater than what was set from the original buy price.
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Hello. I installed a demo version and when I try to open the programm I get this error https://image.prntscr.com/image/CV7dnyUyTcu3uA3jfZ1Ktg.png . I have a windows 10 and all versions of framework and visial c++ are installed. Can somebody help me to figure out what is wrong?

Do you happen to have Bitdefender installed? I used to get these same errors (not on opening the app, though, but after some time), and they were 100% gone after I added "C:\Program Files (x86)\mArgin-leonArdo\leonardo.exe" to Bitdefender's Advanced Threat Defense exclusions. Now it runs 100% stable for hours and hours, without a single crash. Even if you don't use Bitdefender but another antivirus, try something equivalent and see how it goes.
Added to exclusions on antivirus and windows firewall, but still nothing changed. Also, I tried to install it on my laptop with windows 10, the same error.
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Hello. I installed a demo version and when I try to open the programm I get this error . I have a windows 10 and all versions of framework and visial c++ are installed. Can somebody help me to figure out what is wrong?
I had also this error  a few times when closing window of Leonardo (Windows 10 v1703) but I didn't pay attention on that as after launch it functioned normally.
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December 09, 2017, 10:14:35 AM
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HI Guys. I'm really loving LeonArdo. I now have it running on a Linux VPS after some initial troubles setting it up.

Still trying to learn the best way to get a profit out of it - so far any small to medium gains it does make seem to get wiped out by one big dip in one of the pairs it's working on.

On the margin maker bot for example I'm struggling to get the right parameters set so that a 10-15% dip in value doesn't stop the bot. I'm posting two examples - in both I set a stop loss of around 5-8% and a negative minimum margin of -1.0% - -2.% but it seems the bot ignored the dropping price completely until it reached the stop-loss value.

How can I best set the stop loss and negative minimum effective gain % so that the bot keeps trading effectively even after a 10=15% drop in price?



The negative minimum gain forces that you won't make a loss more that x% between a buy and a sell.
The stop loss sells at x% as a downside protection and stops the bot.

If you want the strategy to continue you would have to set a bigger % for stop loss.
Hope that helps.

All the best,

  Rene

Right (thanks for your response), but as you can see in the screenshots, the first trades made an effective loss that was bigger than the negative minimum gain - so shouldn't it have sold before it even reached the stop loss?

The reason for that loss was the stop loss which triggered the sell.  So with a bigger stop loss % the strategy wouldn't have sold. Setting a lower* stop loss would have prevented the sell in this case.

Hope that helps!

*lower= lower price = bigger acceptable loss



Ok thank you. I'm struggling a bit to get my head around what the negative minimum gain value means in practice and how it interacts with the other variables. I understand how it works as a positive value - I think, but as a negative value it's a bit confusing.

So given a negative value of -2.0 as an example - does that mean if the price drops more than 2% (of the buy price) that the bot will sell at that point and then resume buying to attempt a profitable trade? or is there something else I'm missing?

The losses it made in those screenshots were last night. Since then I've changed the stop losses to higher % values and have seen  the loss from last night recovered *but* there haven't been any huge dips yet like there were last night, so still need to test a bit more. I'm slowly getting to a point where I think I understand all the parameters enough to set things up to make steady gains... Almost.



The negative eff gain % does not work the way you think.
The eff gain will only kick in *when* the SELL price is actually lower than what the BUY price was.

Now I have not been able to confirm if the % is from the buy price or the actual sell price *once* its below of the buy price.


Thanks, I've played around with it a bit more and it's starting to make sense now, as you said. I think I've nailed it.

+6.5% gains in the last 21hrs, no errors or unexpected losses while I slept (only small losses of up to 1%). I need to do a few more days of testing with my small bankroll of BTC 0.007 before I start to take it seriously, but it's looking very promising Smiley
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