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October 22, 2013, 04:05:02 PM
Last edit: October 22, 2013, 04:17:56 PM by Phoenix1969
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Why does the web interface report my KNC hashrate at an average of 508 GH/s but Eligius's (mining pool) stats page say the average is only 484 GH/s.

Why the discrepancy? These numbers match for my Avalon and my other miners.
accepted by pool /vs/ smoke & mirrors of knc's version of CGminer...  Grin



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What happened to daily shipping updates? I need to know how much to cry.

Don't cry. GOt mine this afternoon and she's running like a dream 30% faster than I paid for and BTC is nice and high. I'm thinking it's better to get a rig with all the bugs ironed out and have to play catch up in pretty favourable conditions than early and struggle or even have the thing burn out.

If you paid with BTC ..well that's going to make it different, but the exchange rate now has to help otherwise. They have to be close to the end now as far as delivery is concerned.

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October 22, 2013, 04:36:02 PM
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Yep, probably won't make back the BTC equiv. of the miner's purchase.  Good thing the value of BTC is going up.  Of course it seems clear that buying BTC is the more profitable choice.  As long as the value of BTC depends on Wall Street not developing a sense of ethics, BTC will rise.
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Yep, probably won't make back the BTC equiv. of the miner's purchase.  Good thing the value of BTC is going up.  Of course it seems clear that buying BTC is the more profitable choice.  As long as the value of BTC depends on Wall Street not developing a sense of ethics, BTC will rise.

with the stakes raised, there are more 'cost basis' tricks being done now...  if you aren't changing your game you get left behind

in other words, many people you may be comparing yourself to have a lower bar for ROI than just BTC in BTC out

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Yep, probably won't make back the BTC equiv. of the miner's purchase.  Good thing the value of BTC is going up.  Of course it seems clear that buying BTC is the more profitable choice.  As long as the value of BTC depends on Wall Street not developing a sense of ethics, BTC will rise.

Probably an unwise observation.  Wall Street might say, humm, if BTC price is going to be used as an indication of our being ethical or not, then there are some tricks we can use to adversely effect the stability/value of BTC.
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Yep, probably won't make back the BTC equiv. of the miner's purchase.  Good thing the value of BTC is going up.  Of course it seems clear that buying BTC is the more profitable choice.  As long as the value of BTC depends on Wall Street not developing a sense of ethics, BTC will rise.

with the stakes raised, there are more 'cost basis' tricks being done now...  if you aren't changing your game you get left behind

in other words, many people you may be comparing yourself to have a lower bar for ROI than just BTC in BTC out

I absolutely agree.  I look at the hit on my IRA this year which includes the spring crash, some bills, spending on mining gear, and then look at my total BTC*$value just to not feel so bad.
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October 22, 2013, 05:12:15 PM
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What happened to daily shipping updates? I need to know how much to cry.

I can help you there. I asked about the condition of my order as I saw other orders, which were paid after mine being shipped and delivered. The response came an hour ago:

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Hi,

We are aware that there is also a delay with the hosting compared with the shipping orders, but the engineers are working to get your miner up as soon as possible.

Thanks
Emilia

Interestingly this is a follow-up reply to another enquiry of mine, which I sent a few days back. Both enquiries were written in Norwegian. The first reply came from Carl in Swedish, while this last reply came in English.

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Wait 'till BTC hits forex.....  and people get to invest in BTC via IRA.... oooh boy..


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October 22, 2013, 05:19:16 PM
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I hear the figure 30PH/s tossed around for this coming January.  Then to stay current we need to buy 10x the hashing power we have now.  Ouch.
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I hear the figure 30PH/s tossed around for this coming January.  Then to stay current we need to buy 10x the hashing power we have now.  Ouch.
more likely is BTC going to 2000usd!


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October 22, 2013, 05:48:59 PM
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If the powers that be go to adversely effect BTC, aside from having Washington DC make it outright illegal, they'll target BTC stability, pump and dump punishing investors again.
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more likely is BTC going to 2000usd!
BTC value ≠ difficulty, although that seems to be the trend.  Anyhow, I digress.  We need to wait till the market stabilizes, it's too risky to buy/pre-order any ASIC right now.  I am almost certain any ASIC bought today, will see very little to no ROI by the time the device gets to your door and/or after you mine back the initial investment cost.

Forget about BFL's Monarch, given their track record.. it won't be released till Q3/Q4 of 2014.  By then, it's like having a Jalapeno of today... or worst.
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October 22, 2013, 05:51:15 PM
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I hear the figure 30PH/s tossed around for this coming January.  Then to stay current we need to buy 10x the hashing power we have now.  Ouch.

ITs that kind of twisted reasoning that may lead to 30PH in January. And will then cause people like you to go out and buy 10x more yet again, ignoring the fact mining is a zero sum game. When will people understand buying mining gear simply isnt going to be profitable for the next 6 months at least, and if/when it ever becomes profitable again, it will be with razor thin margins for those with the cheapest electricity.

That said, 30PH in January is likely exaggerated, unless Im underestimating the number of HF preorders and their manufacturing capability.
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October 22, 2013, 05:52:02 PM
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If the powers that be go to adversely effect BTC, aside from having Washington DC make it outright illegal, they'll target BTC stability, pump and dump punishing investors again.

most likely they will manipulate it for a rinse & repeat cycle like they do with silver

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October 22, 2013, 05:58:15 PM
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more likely is BTC going to 2000usd!
BTC value ≠ difficulty, although that seems to be the trend.  Anyhow, I digress.  We need to wait till the market stabilizes, it's too risky to buy/pre-order any ASIC right now.  I am almost certain any ASIC bought today, will see very little to no ROI by the time the device gets to your door and/or after you mine back the initial investment cost.

Forget about BFL's Monarch, given their track record.. it won't be released till Q3/Q4 of 2014.  By then, it's like having a Jalapeno of today... or worst.

I look at the size of the thing and the projected hashrate and think it's going to get too hot.
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more likely is BTC going to 2000usd!
BTC value ≠ difficulty, although that seems to be the trend.  Anyhow, I digress.  We need to wait till the market stabilizes, it's too risky to buy/pre-order any ASIC right now.  I am almost certain any ASIC bought today, will see very little to no ROI by the time the device gets to your door and/or after you mine back the initial investment cost.

Forget about BFL's Monarch, given their track record.. it won't be released till Q3/Q4 of 2014.  By then, it's like having a Jalapeno of today... or worst.

I look at the size of the thing and the projected hashrate and think it's going to get too hot.

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October 22, 2013, 06:57:48 PM
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I hear the figure 30PH/s tossed around for this coming January.  Then to stay current we need to buy 10x the hashing power we have now.  Ouch.
more likely is BTC going to 2000usd!

I pray for that day.. lol..

I also pray for some of my altcoins to go up in value.. even if they hit .25c/usd rate.. I would be debt free haha!

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October 22, 2013, 07:15:46 PM
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I hear the figure 30PH/s tossed around for this coming January.  Then to stay current we need to buy 10x the hashing power we have now.  Ouch.

to stay current, you need to double the amount of your miners with every difficulty rise

                             
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October 22, 2013, 07:26:34 PM
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Starting bfgminer as described (of course I "q"uit the original cgminer first) results in a Segmentation fault and the TTY settings broken and a cleared screen.
Code:
opkg install gdb
gdb --args ./bfgminer -S knc:auto -c /config/cgminer.conf -T -D
run
... wait for the crash ...
Code:
bt

I had been in direct contact with Luke-Jr (thanks for your time!) and it looks like he could find the problem and
fix it. I think re-installing bfgminer from the GIT repository will fix the problem (if anyone else did experience it).

I made some tests (using a binary compiled with debug symbols - I must re-compile it) and it did work for 1 hour.

As some questions did pop up using bfgminer, I switched back to cgminer.

Luke-Jr: Can you give us some more ideas about how your software works with a KnC miner?
The old cgminer (or is it some other task running in background?) is disabling (and enabling) cores with too many HW errors.
This can be visualized using that BertMod utility.
bfgmiger is now doing this task by its own. You can see the number of active cores (2*4*48=384 for a Saturn) in the status
line. It looks like you can manually "enable" disabled cores. Will they also be enabled over time automatically again?
Is it possible that the BertMod statistics don't match the status of bfgminer?

My DIE 0 is the one that always had been warmer and the one that starts to disable cores (without very good cooling).
Using bfgminer you can see very good that this DIE has 7% HW errors compared to 2% of the other DIE 3.

The effect of a fushwork is still a big impact on the hashrate. I can not really confirm that it's better than how
cgminer is doing this.

Luke-Jr: Is this a general problem that can not be fixed due to the nature of those multi hundred cores?
From your programmers point of view, what advantage do you think bfgminer will have on those flushworks?

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October 22, 2013, 07:27:49 PM
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more likely is BTC going to 2000usd!
BTC value ≠ difficulty, although that seems to be the trend.  Anyhow, I digress.  We need to wait till the market stabilizes, it's too risky to buy/pre-order any ASIC right now.  I am almost certain any ASIC bought today, will see very little to no ROI by the time the device gets to your door and/or after you mine back the initial investment cost.

Forget about BFL's Monarch, given their track record.. it won't be released till Q3/Q4 of 2014.  By then, it's like having a Jalapeno of today... or worst.

I look at the size of the thing and the projected hashrate and think it's going to get too hot.

BFL customer once, never again.

Never say never, why burn bridges?
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