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October 24, 2013, 02:52:25 PM
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concerning the changelogs, you could compare code on https://github.com/KnCMiner to get a clue what has been changed - but for sure it's not the same like a simple changelog you read in short time.

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Any tips how solve the random miner stoping / freezing after 30-60min ? Pleseeee? It doesn't manke sense waisting more electricity then you mine back  Tongue + a fact .97 decrease the speed from 100 to a 1.7Ghas

After reading yesterday's reports about 0.97 I was really close to upgrade - was just too tired in the evening and not in the mood to deal with possible issues.
Meanwhile I'm quite happy I'm still on 0.95.


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Somehow I'm not sure how to rate KnCMiner's software development and quality assurance in general, as it seems they do neither proper testing, nor understand the root causes of issues since each time there's one solved, but another appears..
I'm happy they're better in hw development, otherwise Jupiter would hash with 290GH/s only while consuming 1kW, I guess  Tongue

Honestly I'm getting more and more disappointed about this.
Especially when considering that cgminer's devs could have prevented it very very likely, but KnCMiner was so self confident they will do it better, cheaper, faster (?!).

I do not like to think about the difference in mined coins until now.  Undecided


i think this( cheaper) was their only concern. faster & better are non-existent terms with these guys - confidence - bucketsfull


I can't agree with your assessment.  I just upgraded a Jalapeno fan.  That company was the first Bitcoin ASIC manufacturer in production and a KnC designer may have tried taking a Jalapeno apart and putting it back together.  Probably the reason so many Jalapeno users opt not to put it back in the case.  All the room in a KnC product almost shouts in comparison that Jalapeno case designer was a sadist.



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October 24, 2013, 02:58:50 PM
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KNC GUI & puTTy both show me at 541 all day - BTCG shows 480-500 most of the day.

am i missing something?

Yes you are. Stop measuring speeds at cgminer or go through Kano's posts for how to get the hashrate numbers using the hardware error numbers and so on.

It's really annoying all these people posting meaningless hashrates...


i think it is even easier, look at cgminer output (GH/s), then go to your pool server stats and look at that hash rate and if they are the same, you are doing very well, if they are not even close then you have a problem.

Except the pool number jumps around. I saw a difference of 20 within two minutes at the pool. Average hashrate at the status screen barely moved. I do have 19% HW errors on 9.7 though.
Fiatkiller, when other KNC Saturn owners are reporting 260GH/s-275GH/s at the server(and on CGminer), while my Saturn reports 215-235GH/s max, I feel that it has something to do with that high error rate our Saturns suffer from.

Yes! It's all about the hardware error rate. The values on KNC's cgminer do not seem to take that into account. I don't know if other versions do. The difference between machines seem to come mostly from the level of hardware errors so when someone says "my jupiter/saturn is doing X/Y in hashrate with this FW" you end up empty handed because you don't know if they are measuring that at cgminer or and actually getting much less at the pool (as you would measure from averages). In fact it misleads other people and possibly devs into thinking that they are progressing with the software.

0.97 for me and other people seems to ramp up the hardware rate and the reported hashrate at cgminer (depending how bad your machine actually is) but you see all these pointless reports of "yey +10 GH/s" without stating the source.

edgar: cry me a river!

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These guys could have had the data centre fixed and up and running again in minutes! If only KNC had hired them. But I guess they cheaped out once again  Cheesy


I don't think it is on the datacenter side.  These things just have too much variance and many were ran pre-95 FW on 4 VRM boards which can leave 'scars'

The number one fuckup on KNC was removing the 4 VRMs before understanding its full effect.. and then shipping and using them in the datacenter running overspec.  Two wrongs didn't make a right.

They shouldn't of used 4 VRM boards until Nov cheaper miners and then they would of had plenty of time to make a FW for that


Will they ever admit to this short sighted cash 'savings'?   I think their last news update alluded to this in their 'learned lessons'.
KNC is a good company but this shows how one mistake can lead to many many more unintended consequences
I think they will right their ship, but for many customers they are left in tough waters





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0.97 for me and other people seems to ramp up the hardware rate and the reported hashrate at cgminer (depending how bad your machine actually is) but you see all these pointless reports of "yey +10 GH/s" without stating the source.


they might of tried to get the same type of performance of .94 with .97 but the enabling and disabling of cores is worse than just HW errors as far as avg hashing at the pool goes

I've run bfgminer which doesn't auto switch cores (lets you manual do each if you like) and even with high HW errors you can get good hash rate.  I am not saying high HW errors are good, but in KNC's cgminer they lead to turning cores off that may still run at 70% hashing with a high error rate.   You start turning off all those 70% working cores your hashrate nosedives


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I think they will right their ship, but for many customers they are left in tough waters
I'm 9BTC down and still no miner. Not even going to get 1 day on current difficulty it looks like. Next difficulty is probably going to mean we are down to mining only 0.5BTC/day on a jupiter. So 2 days per bitcoin. In a couple of weeks, it'll take a week+/1btc.

And KNC don't even as much as apologise, just say "We learned stuff", "you ain't getting shit from us for the losses we caused you - read the T&C's" and set up other business ventures for themselves. Sick of waiting and sick of KNC.

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0.97 also shows a continuous drop of hashrate for me from 500 to 470 (3 hour average eligius).




Actually.. it doesn't seem to be coming back in any previous firmware. Last value was 450 and that's where it stayed. I read compatible reports on KNC's forum. I fear 0.97 might damage bad Jupiters... Careful upgrading yours.


.96 does seem to be better than .97 on good jupiters.   I haven't tried it on a bad jupiter yet..  so far bad jupiters hash better on .94 'overclocked' running bfgminer but the VRMs/chips do have to take a beating..  perhaps heatsinks?

to 'cure' modules, remove the asic_test file and install .96, run enable cores and few times and reboot.   It should do its 1-2 min asic tests and then reboot itself.  you should have more enabled cores again



How do I remove that asic_test file??
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October 24, 2013, 03:15:15 PM
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The early complaint of whining from the ASIC module, tho probably from one or more VRMs, were there many complaints proportionally?  The firmware upgrade corrected that.  My Merc arrived with 0.95, had input voltages of 11.8 on all VRMs and output voltages ranging from 0.738 to 0.748.  It couldn't get out of its own way, never reaching 100GH/s average.

To correct this I first went to 0.90 initial firmware.  I had already read the high praise the initial firmware had gotten over firmware upgrades by users who remained quite disappointed until finally the enablecores.bin became available.  I ran enablecores.bin with 0.90 firmware and was finally pleased with >100GH/s hashing, and pretty quickly I might add.

I went thru the upgrades one at a time looking for the 0.740 voltage change and found it in 0.95 but my hashrate again returned to sub-100GH/s.  So, back to 0.94 and I'm happy with it relatively speaking.  The extra >100watts at the wall will mean something more than $5.50/month in electric but a cold front has reached this area and it's a tradeoff instead of the propane heat - besides, that extra
 KnC 0:  | 149.7G/135.5Gh/s | A:7273677 R:328049 HW:420447 WU:2088.1/m
35.5GH/s will earn quite a bit more than that in BTC.

So, I'm not going to be getting any higher hashing from my Merc unless I buy an ASIC module and transform it into a Saturn.

But, now I wonder.  The initial firmware was likely treating the VRMs with an optimal frequency for their design.  As I never heard that whine voiced by some that prompted the first firmware upgrade 0.91, and not knowing what advantages I'm seeing in 0.92 or 0.93 or what I'm presently using 0.94, maybe 0.90 is the best?  ...at least until warm weather returns.

And who knows, maybe the VRM whine had been slightly displaced VRM heatsink tops that resonated but stopped resonating with the frequency change.




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October 24, 2013, 03:24:59 PM
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I'm noticing an absence of HashFast Trolls in this thread for some reason.  What happened cypherdoc?

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What exactly does Cypherdoc "balance"? Maybe if this was a KNC vs Hashfast thread, then...maybe.
But. It's. Not.
At least he's more articulate than Avenger and has ulterior motive going for him. I will give him that.

Trolling the troll. Nothing to see really Wink

Actually, I should have refrained, my apologies. This thread is finally being useful.

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KnC provoded the safest bet with people's funds that's all.

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October 24, 2013, 03:33:21 PM
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24 hrs after 0.97



still problem with 1 machine...
one of the sats went back to 250
tried reflash, nada



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KNC GUI & puTTy both show me at 541 all day - BTCG shows 480-500 most of the day.

am i missing something?

Yes you are. Stop measuring speeds at cgminer or go through Kano's posts for how to get the hashrate numbers using the hardware error numbers and so on.

It's really annoying all these people posting meaningless hashrates...


i think it is even easier, look at cgminer output (GH/s), then go to your pool server stats and look at that hash rate and if they are the same, you are doing very well, if they are not even close then you have a problem.

Except the pool number jumps around. I saw a difference of 20 within two minutes at the pool. Average hashrate at the status screen barely moved. I do have 19% HW errors on 9.7 though.
Fiatkiller, when other KNC Saturn owners are reporting 260GH/s-275GH/s at the server(and on CGminer), while my Saturn reports 215-235GH/s max, I feel that it has something to do with that high error rate our Saturns suffer from.

Yes! It's all about the hardware error rate. The values on KNC's cgminer do not seem to take that into account. I don't know if other versions do. The difference between machines seem to come mostly from the level of hardware errors so when someone says "my jupiter/saturn is doing X/Y in hashrate with this FW" you end up empty handed because you don't know if they are measuring that at cgminer or and actually getting much less at the pool (as you would measure from averages). In fact it misleads other people and possibly devs into thinking that they are progressing with the software.

0.97 for me and other people seems to ramp up the hardware rate and the reported hashrate at cgminer (depending how bad your machine actually is) but you see all these pointless reports of "yey +10 GH/s" without stating the source.

edgar: cry me a river!



i dont know who you are referring to with your vague waffle about meaningless hashrates & not knowing what information has been given but i personally gave all the info regarding cgminer, KNCs GUI and BTCGs pool rate.

i also asked specifically where to find the HW% and you prefer to troll the tread rather than give a knowledgeable response.

i'll cry you a river mate!! so long as u hop in a canoe & fuck off down stream in it

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October 24, 2013, 03:50:43 PM
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KNC GUI & puTTy both show me at 541 all day - BTCG shows 480-500 most of the day.

am i missing something?

Yes you are. Stop measuring speeds at cgminer or go through Kano's posts for how to get the hashrate numbers using the hardware error numbers and so on.

It's really annoying all these people posting meaningless hashrates...


i think it is even easier, look at cgminer output (GH/s), then go to your pool server stats and look at that hash rate and if they are the same, you are doing very well, if they are not even close then you have a problem.

Except the pool number jumps around. I saw a difference of 20 within two minutes at the pool. Average hashrate at the status screen barely moved. I do have 19% HW errors on 9.7 though.
Fiatkiller, when other KNC Saturn owners are reporting 260GH/s-275GH/s at the server(and on CGminer), while my Saturn reports 215-235GH/s max, I feel that it has something to do with that high error rate our Saturns suffer from.

Yes! It's all about the hardware error rate. The values on KNC's cgminer do not seem to take that into account. I don't know if other versions do. The difference between machines seem to come mostly from the level of hardware errors so when someone says "my jupiter/saturn is doing X/Y in hashrate with this FW" you end up empty handed because you don't know if they are measuring that at cgminer or and actually getting much less at the pool (as you would measure from averages). In fact it misleads other people and possibly devs into thinking that they are progressing with the software.

0.97 for me and other people seems to ramp up the hardware rate and the reported hashrate at cgminer (depending how bad your machine actually is) but you see all these pointless reports of "yey +10 GH/s" without stating the source.

edgar: cry me a river!



i dont know who you are referring to with your vague waffle about meaningless hashrates & not knowing what information has been given but i personally gave all the info regarding cgminer, KNCs GUI and BTCGs pool rate.

i also asked specifically where to find the HW% and you prefer to troll the tread rather than give a knowledgeable response.

i'll cry you a river mate!! so long as u hop in a canoe & fuck off down stream in it



I go with (HW*100)/A



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October 24, 2013, 03:57:00 PM
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I go with (HW*100)/A

HW error % = HW/A+R+HW

where

HW = number of hw errors
A    = number of accepted
R    = number of rejected

with 0.97 I got something like 10-11% after almost 20 hours, whereas before the same miner running with 0.95 I used to have 5-7%

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I think they will right their ship, but for many customers they are left in tough waters
I'm 9BTC down and still no miner. Not even going to get 1 day on current difficulty it looks like. Next difficulty is probably going to mean we are down to mining only 0.5BTC/day on a jupiter. So 2 days per bitcoin. In a couple of weeks, it'll take a week+/1btc.

And KNC don't even as much as apologise, just say "We learned stuff", "you ain't getting shit from us for the losses we caused you - read the T&C's" and set up other business ventures for themselves. Sick of waiting and sick of KNC.

man, you fucking whine a lot.
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I think they will right their ship, but for many customers they are left in tough waters
I'm 9BTC down and still no miner. Not even going to get 1 day on current difficulty it looks like. Next difficulty is probably going to mean we are down to mining only 0.5BTC/day on a jupiter. So 2 days per bitcoin. In a couple of weeks, it'll take a week+/1btc.

And KNC don't even as much as apologise, just say "We learned stuff", "you ain't getting shit from us for the losses we caused you - read the T&C's" and set up other business ventures for themselves. Sick of waiting and sick of KNC.

man, you fucking whine a lot.

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I think they will right their ship, but for many customers they are left in tough waters
I'm 9BTC down and still no miner. Not even going to get 1 day on current difficulty it looks like. Next difficulty is probably going to mean we are down to mining only 0.5BTC/day on a jupiter. So 2 days per bitcoin. In a couple of weeks, it'll take a week+/1btc.

And KNC don't even as much as apologise, just say "We learned stuff", "you ain't getting shit from us for the losses we caused you - read the T&C's" and set up other business ventures for themselves. Sick of waiting and sick of KNC.

man, you fucking whine a lot.
with all the right tho
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October 24, 2013, 04:07:48 PM
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I go with (HW*100)/A

HW error % = HW/A+R+HW

where

HW = number of hw errors
A    = number of accepted
R    = number of rejected

with 0.97 I got something like 10-11% after almost 20 hours, whereas before the same miner running with 0.95 I used to have 5-7%

Thanks.  That changes mine from ~4.4% down to ~4.1%.  Although it doesn't agree with BertMod:

Device Hardware%=4.9875
Device Rejected%=4.1048
Pool Rejected%=4.3372
Pool Stale%=0.0000



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October 24, 2013, 04:15:10 PM
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I go with (HW*100)/A

HW error % = HW/A+R+HW

where

HW = number of hw errors
A    = number of accepted
R    = number of rejected

with 0.97 I got something like 10-11% after almost 20 hours, whereas before the same miner running with 0.95 I used to have 5-7%

Thanks.  That changes mine from ~4.4% down to ~4.1%.  Although it doesn't agree with BertMod:

Device Hardware%=4.9875
Device Rejected%=4.1048
Pool Rejected%=4.3372
Pool Stale%=0.0000

thanks, that means I am still at 21%, spinning my wheels it feels
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is there a syslog on these things that i can forward to knc...figure out this 20% Hardware Error rate.....ridonkulous.
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October 24, 2013, 04:20:37 PM
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I go with (HW*100)/A

HW error % = HW/A+R+HW

where

HW = number of hw errors
A    = number of accepted
R    = number of rejected

with 0.97 I got something like 10-11% after almost 20 hours, whereas before the same miner running with 0.95 I used to have 5-7%

Thanks.  That changes mine from ~4.4% down to ~4.1%.  Although it doesn't agree with BertMod:

Device Hardware%=4.9875
Device Rejected%=4.1048
Pool Rejected%=4.3372
Pool Stale%=0.0000

thanks, that means I am still at 21%, spinning my wheels it feels

Did you try firmware 0.90 then enablecores.bin?  Are you forcing air onto the BBB?  A warmish BBB will drop your hashrate.



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