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October 25, 2013, 02:13:13 AM
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You are very defensive.  Normally I just ignore all the voodoo I see people posting in this thread as ways to increase hash rate, but when it's particularly egregious, like claiming a 'warm BBB' can negatively affect hashing, then I have to say something.

Sorry to get your hackles up, but don't post nonsense if you don't want to get corrected.


one more time....  I never said anything about BBB heat and performance..please go find a statement of me ever saying that..  you chose to associate me saying 'it' with BBB heat and bad performance and not with you blasting someone.. that was my context..  go re-read with THAT in mind

you are the one posting nonsense and terrible cognitive skills - you just don't want to admit you jumped to conclusions and thought a simple point A to point B..  I was talking about you, not to you when I replied

got it?


I have no idea what you mean here.  I have not 'blasted' anyone.  You are the one with poor cognitive skills and a definite lack of reading comprehension.  I initially just asked the simple question of 'how could a warm BBB cause hashing problems?'.  The statement was attributed to you by others, and you made a subsequent post (that I quoted above) where you seemed to acknowledge that you agreed with it.  If that's not your position, fine.  You are the one who went on the attack here.  I have no problem with you.  Calm down.



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October 25, 2013, 02:25:04 AM
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Does anyone know how to turn off individual cores manually and keep them off? I'm running 0.97 and keep seeing a bunch of the same cores (2-119;2-126;etc.) getting disabled because of HW errors and then turned back on later. I think it's better to leave them turned off because they only produce HW errors and I don't think that's very productive. I have more cores running now on 0.97 but also have more HW errors, and in the end my pool hashrate is lower on average because of this.

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October 25, 2013, 02:32:13 AM
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Does anyone know how to turn off individual cores manually and keep them off? I'm running 0.97 and keep seeing a bunch of the same cores (2-119;2-126;etc.) getting disabled because of HW errors and then turned back on later. I think it's better to leave them turned off because they only produce HW errors and I don't think that's very productive. I have more cores running now on 0.97 but also have more HW errors, and in the end my pool hashrate is lower on average because of this.

Look at the file /config/init.d/cgminer.sh to see how to turn individual cores on and off, i.e.:

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                       # re-enable all cores
                        i=0
                        while [[ $i -lt 192 ]] ; do
                                i2cset -y 2 0x2$p $i 1
                                i=$((i+1))
                        done

You would have to edit that cgminer.sh file to keep them off, though.  By default, it will re-enable what it can whenever it restarts cgminer.

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October 25, 2013, 03:49:46 AM
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Damn, dude, who pissed in your wheaties today? Smiley

Seriously, though, tiresome or not, you have done a lot for this community. Hopefully KnC reads your data (and the other brave souls who have experimented and done the dev work for these units) and incorporates YOUR research in their next batch of miners. Should resolve a lot of issues with what appear to be minor tweaks to the design/case layout.

I also hope that they throw some coin at all you early adopters who stuck your dick out and came out longer. Because of you lot, by the time I can buy one of these units, a lot of problems will already be resolved.

Thank you.


put it this way, even if someone did go off a limb and post something that didn't turn out to be 100% cause/effect, it usually will lead to someone else who is also testing to share and get to the right reasoning

but those that want to just play 'peer review asshole', well you see what that does to the soup

 

Personally I read what people say and decide if it's sensible or not, but as I'm nowhere as good at this I appreciate the theories and discussions and learn as they go on. No-one takes random theories as gospel until it's been generally accepted as proved, and anything we do to our rigs is our responsibility at the end of the day. This thread has been incredibly interesting and productive lately and I thank everyone who made it so. Smiley
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October 25, 2013, 03:54:46 AM
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Does anyone know how to turn off individual cores manually and keep them off? I'm running 0.97 and keep seeing a bunch of the same cores (2-119;2-126;etc.) getting disabled because of HW errors and then turned back on later. I think it's better to leave them turned off because they only produce HW errors and I don't think that's very productive. I have more cores running now on 0.97 but also have more HW errors, and in the end my pool hashrate is lower on average because of this.

I think .95 may do this automatically. On .95 my hardware errors over a 24 hour period start at 12 and drop to 3-4% according to bertMod on .97 my hardware errors were still at 12%.

.97 24 hour pool hashrate of 507 cgminer 535
.95 24 hour pool hashrate of 547 cgminer 552

I think .95 has some logic that gets better at using the cores, it really gets better over the 24 hour period, the hashrate slowly climbs.
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October 25, 2013, 04:27:57 AM
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270/4024 final spec on the sat from vrm wiggle... and holding nicely! ....now  
 270, 271, and 280... BAM


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October 25, 2013, 04:38:46 AM
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What are these VRM's I've seen the last 10 pages? Are these those rectangle looking metal blocks on each ASIC modules? Each with a small white piece of tape/sticker on them? According to my thermal temp my warmest one is 90F. Maybe sticking a piece of thermal tape on top would help it out, no?

Like stuff like this?


http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g8/c487/s1288/list/p1/Thermal_Interface-Thermal_Pads_Tape-Thermal_Pad_-_05mm_-Page1.html


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October 25, 2013, 04:47:57 AM
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Not sure if my math is completely accurate but let's say you have a Jupiter hashing at 500GH/s.  You spend an hour one day trying to get a few more GH out of it.  It's like you were hashing at ~480GH/s for that 24 hour period because of the downtime.  And if you do this multiple times every week, just how much are you actually benefiting in the end?  It seems like a lot of people are wasting valuable hashing time putzing around (as difficulty skyrockets) when they'd be better off just letting the damn things mine at a slightly lower speed.

Just sayin'.
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October 25, 2013, 04:55:31 AM
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red line is where i did the VRM wiggle!
yes,the silver rectangles,


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October 25, 2013, 04:56:07 AM
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Not sure if my math is completely accurate but let's say you have a Jupiter hashing at 500GH/s.  You spend an hour one day trying to get a few more GH out of it.  It's like you were hashing at ~480GH/s for that 24 hour period because of the downtime.  And if you do this multiple times every week, just how much are you actually benefiting in the end?  It seems like a lot of people are wasting valuable hashing time putzing around (as difficulty skyrockets) when they'd be better off just letting the damn things mine at a slightly lower speed.

Just sayin'.

This is what keeps happening to me. I keep trying to use Eligius pool but their payout schedule and information is so vague you need to be a scientist to just figure out what you are going to get paid. I went back to BTCGuild, since at least it clearly informs you of what you are earning, can get manual payout with a press of a button and has 24 hour makings. Eligius doesn't have any of that, at least I don't think because they are buried pages somewhere with obscure links on another page you need to get to. I think the Eligius pool is pretty sharp, but it needs a shit load of work and refinement....and I get completely sick of seeing the donation link on EVERY page I go to on that site. Yea, I get it. It was your decision to put up this cool mining pool, but no one forced you at gun point, stop asking for money. If you don't have the time or resources, take it down then. Simple.


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October 25, 2013, 05:03:23 AM
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Not sure if my math is completely accurate but let's say you have a Jupiter hashing at 500GH/s.  You spend an hour one day trying to get a few more GH out of it.  It's like you were hashing at ~480GH/s for that 24 hour period because of the downtime.  And if you do this multiple times every week, just how much are you actually benefiting in the end?  It seems like a lot of people are wasting valuable hashing time putzing around (as difficulty skyrockets) when they'd be better off just letting the damn things mine at a slightly lower speed.

Just sayin'.

This is what keeps happening to me. I keep trying to use Eligius pool but their payout schedule and information is so vague you need to be a scientist to just figure out what you are going to get paid. I went back to BTCGuild, since at least it clearly informs you of what you are earning, can get manual payout with a press of a button and has 24 hour makings. Eligius doesn't have any of that, at least I don't think because they are buried pages somewhere with obscure links on another page you need to get to. I think the Eligius pool is pretty sharp, but it needs a shit load of work and refinement....and I get completely sick of seeing the donation link on EVERY page I go to on that site. Yea, I get it. It was your decision to put up this cool mining pool, but no one forced you at gun point, stop asking for money. If you don't have the time or resources, take it down then. Simple.

They ask for donations because they don't charge a fee.  (I initially thought they collected mining fees, but that seems to have changed).  You get paid 100% on your hashrate. I agree the payout queue thing is a bit confusing, but you should get paid eventually.

Eligius's graphs are by far the best for monitoring your hashrate.  Once things are stable, though I like going back to BTCGuild.

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October 25, 2013, 05:09:58 AM
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Well KNC is going to be getting another phone call from me today.  Angry

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This is what keeps happening to me. I keep trying to use Eligius pool but their payout schedule and information is so vague you need to be a scientist to just figure out what you are going to get paid. I went back to BTCGuild, since at least it clearly informs you of what you are earning, can get manual payout with a press of a button and has 24 hour makings. Eligius doesn't have any of that, at least I don't think because they are buried pages somewhere with obscure links on another page you need to get to. I think the Eligius pool is pretty sharp, but it needs a shit load of work and refinement....and I get completely sick of seeing the donation link on EVERY page I go to on that site. Yea, I get it. It was your decision to put up this cool mining pool, but no one forced you at gun point, stop asking for money. If you don't have the time or resources, take it down then. Simple.
I like having a mining pool that's completely free, charges no fees, and works. If that means they have to ask for donations on every web page to keep the doors open, I'm fine with that.

Yes, the payout schedule is complicated. The complexity is needed to ensure the pool is fair to everyone. My advice -- don't worry about it. Just watch your hash rate to make sure your equipment is working. If the payouts were somehow cheating people, lots of other people who love to do the math and check them would be complaining quite loudly.

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October 25, 2013, 05:28:03 AM
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Not sure if my math is completely accurate but let's say you have a Jupiter hashing at 500GH/s.  You spend an hour one day trying to get a few more GH out of it.  It's like you were hashing at ~480GH/s for that 24 hour period because of the downtime.  And if you do this multiple times every week, just how much are you actually benefiting in the end?  It seems like a lot of people are wasting valuable hashing time putzing around (as difficulty skyrockets) when they'd be better off just letting the damn things mine at a slightly lower speed.

Just sayin'.

This is what keeps happening to me. I keep trying to use Eligius pool but their payout schedule and information is so vague you need to be a scientist to just figure out what you are going to get paid. I went back to BTCGuild, since at least it clearly informs you of what you are earning, can get manual payout with a press of a button and has 24 hour makings. Eligius doesn't have any of that, at least I don't think because they are buried pages somewhere with obscure links on another page you need to get to. I think the Eligius pool is pretty sharp, but it needs a shit load of work and refinement....and I get completely sick of seeing the donation link on EVERY page I go to on that site. Yea, I get it. It was your decision to put up this cool mining pool, but no one forced you at gun point, stop asking for money. If you don't have the time or resources, take it down then. Simple.

They ask for donations because they don't charge a fee.  (I initially thought they collected mining fees, but that seems to have changed).  You get paid 100% on your hashrate. I agree the payout queue thing is a bit confusing, but you should get paid eventually.

Eligius's graphs are by far the best for monitoring your hashrate.  Once things are stable, though I like going back to BTCGuild.

Yea, the graphs and things are cool like I said, but having no idea when I would be getting paid or what my 24 hour return is (if I'm making money or not) is a weird way to hash. At least with BTC they show you right on your stats page what you are making within a 24hour period, payout info, all the necessary info there is. Eligius is more of a guess right now, no? Also, if I wanted a manual payout with Eligius I can't because they don't have it. Bitcoin raised up to $201 yesterday and I wanted to sell a few bitcoin so I did a manual payout with BTCGuild, could I have done that with Eligius or would I have to wait 3 weeks until their payout schedule catches up or whatever? Yea, confusing at the least. I guess that's where the BTC fee comes in. You are furnished with all the appropriate information almost on one page.

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October 25, 2013, 05:35:51 AM
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Damn, dude, who pissed in your wheaties today? Smiley

Seriously, though, tiresome or not, you have done a lot for this community. Hopefully KnC reads your data (and the other brave souls who have experimented and done the dev work for these units) and incorporates YOUR research in their next batch of miners. Should resolve a lot of issues with what appear to be minor tweaks to the design/case layout.

I also hope that they throw some coin at all you early adopters who stuck your dick out and came out longer. Because of you lot, by the time I can buy one of these units, a lot of problems will already be resolved.

Thank you.


put it this way, even if someone did go off a limb and post something that didn't turn out to be 100% cause/effect, it usually will lead to someone else who is also testing to share and get to the right reasoning

but those that want to just play 'peer review asshole', well you see what that does to the soup

 

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Yea, the graphs and things are cool like I said, but having no idea when I would be getting paid or what my 24 hour return is (if I'm making money or not) is a weird way to hash.
You can compute the 24 hour return from the hash rate on any mining profitability calculator. I agree that seeing an estimate would be handy.

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At least with BTC they show you right on your stats page what you are making within a 24hour period, payout info, all the necessary info there is. Eligius is more of a guess right now, no?
Yes, because it depends on the pool's luck.

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Also, if I wanted a manual payout with Eligius I can't because they don't have it. Bitcoin raised up to $201 yesterday and I wanted to sell a few bitcoin so I did a manual payout with BTCGuild, could I have done that with Eligius or would I have to wait 3 weeks until their payout schedule catches up or whatever?
Eligius already pays you the maximum amount that is fair as soon as possible, with the exception of avoiding very small payments because they just make spending expensive. You cannot make it faster because it is already as fast as it can be. Revenue from blocks found is paid out as soon as it is earned by the pool, typically at the precise same instant.

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Yea, the graphs and things are cool like I said, but having no idea when I would be getting paid or what my 24 hour return is (if I'm making money or not) is a weird way to hash. At least with BTC they show you right on your stats page what you are making within a 24hour period, payout info, all the necessary info there is. Eligius is more of a guess right now, no? Also, if I wanted a manual payout with Eligius I can't because they don't have it. Bitcoin raised up to $201 yesterday and I wanted to sell a few bitcoin so I did a manual payout with BTCGuild, could I have done that with Eligius or would I have to wait 3 weeks until their payout schedule catches up or whatever? Yea, confusing at the least. I guess that's where the BTC fee comes in. You are furnished with all the appropriate information almost on one page.

you just 25*(Hashrate/2^32)/difficulty  (that's per second)

You get 25 bitcoins in a block
in order to find a block, you need to hash (on average) n diff1 shares, where n is the difficulty
in order to find a diff1 share, you need to calculate (on average) 2^32  hashes.  

2^32 = the number of bytes in a 4 gigabytes.

Alternatively, you can just go look at the PPS rate on btcguild, and assume you'll be getting a few % more then that.

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