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May 01, 2013, 11:57:10 PM
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Thank you Kruncha but at My Account I see just "Change the password" which I already did after the hack and "Delete my account". Don't have any menu for e-mail change.

Your right, sorry, I hadn't noticed. I've looked everywhere, and that option doesn't seem to be available Huh.

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That's fine, I got the thought that maybe Slush disabled it after the hack so they can not steal our accounts but I was just not sure if I am missing something.
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The score resets have nothing to do with pool hopping, they're simply reset when scores get to a certain size/capacity. The score reset doesn't affect your amount of shares. Pool hopping prevention is done by shares 'decaying' in value over time. so, yeah, if someone jumps in at the end of a round, they'll get a great reward for it. But, it's not possible to predict when a round will end, as we have seen it could be 5 seconds to 6+ hours.

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just got back home and checked what the morning CPU mining did... total of 7 shares found, dificulty 1 ( max of 1.1MHash/sec when firefox is closed etc ) and find the following block is calculated ( and time showing last 2 of them were at end of round )

17791    2013-05-01 20:01:25  5:00:24 36782329  7 0.00000000    234096   25.58139100

normaly i'd shrug it off due to the over 36 million shares, this time i know at least 2 shares were in the last few min of the round

Unfortunally for such long round you probably need last minute not last minutes at that speed...

i'd believe most of the advice and as I have previously stated ( somewhere in this thread ) getting 0E-8 is my ' usual ' for CPU mining.
That said, in another round i get the following.

17795    2013-05-01 23:34:54  0:26:48  3199350  1  0.00000002  234122  25.10240000

For the duration/shares versus timing of the share, it seems that there is something wrong with the system since DDos attacks.
I am not crying ' boo hoo, 7 shares and got squat ', to the contrary, i'm saying i KNOW i got 2 in the last 10 min of a round and got squat and not like the newly mentioned payout for only 1 share on a short round.  I also recommend for those that can LOG when/how many shares to do so and start looking at the timing of the depreciation of shares per round as I suspect that is the issue.
If I find more like this, I will not be posting it here, i'll be sending the info to Slush.  I ask you do the same.

This all could still be fallout from the attack and I do not mind the 10% Slush gets when I use GETWORK.  I do however mind if there is something wrong and no one looks in to it to see if they also are experiencing the issue so it can be looked at properly.  I never did say how many PCs i got CPU mining, just that I do CPU mining currently.

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just got back home and checked what the morning CPU mining did... total of 7 shares found, dificulty 1 ( max of 1.1MHash/sec when firefox is closed etc ) and find the following block is calculated ( and time showing last 2 of them were at end of round )

17791    2013-05-01 20:01:25  5:00:24 36782329  7 0.00000000    234096   25.58139100

normaly i'd shrug it off due to the over 36 million shares, this time i know at least 2 shares were in the last few min of the round

Unfortunally for such long round you probably need last minute not last minutes at that speed...

i'd believe most of the advice and as I have previously stated ( somewhere in this thread ) getting 0E-8 is my ' usual ' for CPU mining.
That said, in another round i get the following.

17795    2013-05-01 23:34:54  0:26:48  3199350  1  0.00000002  234122  25.10240000

For the duration/shares versus timing of the share, it seems that there is something wrong with the system since DDos attacks.
I am not crying ' boo hoo, 7 shares and got squat ', to the contrary, i'm saying i KNOW i got 2 in the last 10 min of a round and got squat and not like the newly mentioned payout for only 1 share on a short round.  I also recommend for those that can LOG when/how many shares to do so and start looking at the timing of the depreciation of shares per round as I suspect that is the issue.
If I find more like this, I will not be posting it here, i'll be sending the info to Slush.  I ask you do the same.

This all could still be fallout from the attack and I do not mind the 10% Slush gets when I use GETWORK.  I do however mind if there is something wrong and no one looks in to it to see if they also are experiencing the issue so it can be looked at properly.  I never did say how many PCs i got CPU mining, just that I do CPU mining currently.

It's a bit tricky to guess what's going on here. I have no doubt you're seeing what you describe, but the only thing that can change your payment is a change in the score method, so it's probably not an error at the pool end.

Here's some ideas off the top of my head:
 * Slush's score method causes more variance for miners. CPU mining has a very low hashrate, with few shares submitted. Someone with a higher hashrate would see increases and decreases in their earnings, but if you are only submitting a few shares per round you'll see rounds where you have no reward at all, and others where you have more reward than expected (your expected reward per share is B/D, or bitcoin reward/difficulty).
 * As the pool hashrate increases its proportion of the network, your score decays faster since more shares are being scored in the same time period.
 * Slush might have changed the 'c' in the score method. As the pool increases its share of the network, 'c' must be increased to keep the pool less hoppable. Increasing 'c' increases the variance, so it wouldn't be surprising (in your case, at your hashrate) to get a bunch of 'no rewards" in a row.

None of these might be right, but it does give you an idea of the complexities involved.

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just got back home and checked what the morning CPU mining did... total of 7 shares found, dificulty 1 ( max of 1.1MHash/sec when firefox is closed etc ) and find the following block is calculated ( and time showing last 2 of them were at end of round )

17791    2013-05-01 20:01:25  5:00:24 36782329  7 0.00000000    234096   25.58139100

normaly i'd shrug it off due to the over 36 million shares, this time i know at least 2 shares were in the last few min of the round

Unfortunally for such long round you probably need last minute not last minutes at that speed...

i'd believe most of the advice and as I have previously stated ( somewhere in this thread ) getting 0E-8 is my ' usual ' for CPU mining.
That said, in another round i get the following.

17795    2013-05-01 23:34:54  0:26:48  3199350  1  0.00000002  234122  25.10240000

For the duration/shares versus timing of the share, it seems that there is something wrong with the system since DDos attacks.
I am not crying ' boo hoo, 7 shares and got squat ', to the contrary, i'm saying i KNOW i got 2 in the last 10 min of a round and got squat and not like the newly mentioned payout for only 1 share on a short round.  I also recommend for those that can LOG when/how many shares to do so and start looking at the timing of the depreciation of shares per round as I suspect that is the issue.
If I find more like this, I will not be posting it here, i'll be sending the info to Slush.  I ask you do the same.

This all could still be fallout from the attack and I do not mind the 10% Slush gets when I use GETWORK.  I do however mind if there is something wrong and no one looks in to it to see if they also are experiencing the issue so it can be looked at properly.  I never did say how many PCs i got CPU mining, just that I do CPU mining currently.


Guys - I just did a quick check to see if I should be complaining of the way shares are calculated or not .. and got an unexpected result - see below

The "non-exp value" column was just a straight %-based calculation (my % of shares as part of the total - 2% fee). For the record - my average hash rate is around 900MH/s.
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#   Block found at   Duration   Total shares   Your shares   Your BTC reward   Block #   Block value   Validity   non-exp BTC   diff   diff, %
17798   5/2/2013 02:36   02:32:25   18926024   1959   0.0021944800   234140   25.3631500000              0.0025727899   (0.0003783099)   (14.70)
17797   5/2/2013 00:04   00:20:39   2524877   239   0.0023771300   234126   25.2525000200              0.0023425460   0.0000345840    1.48
17796   5/1/2013 23:43   00:08:50   1088076   113   0.0026432800   234123   25.4665500000              0.0025918831   0.0000513969    1.98
17795   5/1/2013 23:34   00:26:48   3199350   332   0.0030787500   234122   25.1024000000              0.0025528051   0.0005259449    20.60
17794   5/1/2013 23:08   00:54:00   6434057   694   0.0026248300   234118   26.1599000100              0.0027652648   (0.0001404348)   (5.08)
17793   5/1/2013 22:14   00:06:53   837922   75   0.0021734500   234107   25.3016400000              0.0022193838   (0.0000459338)   (2.07)
17792   5/1/2013 22:07   02:05:48   15164478   1541   0.0029759200   234105   25.0000000000              0.0024896670   0.0004862530    19.53
17791   5/1/2013 20:01   05:00:24   36782329   3889   0.0026115300   234096   25.5813910000              0.0026506290   (0.0000390990)   (1.48)
17790   5/1/2013 15:01   01:04:02   4347321   476   0.0031200000   234069   25.1445935100              0.0026980869   0.0004219131    15.64
17788   5/1/2013 13:56   01:37:25   11785876   1262   0.0027317000   234062   25.3624057100              0.0026614236   0.0000702764    2.64
17787   5/1/2013 12:19   00:43:01   5192237   541   0.0022621400   234050   25.1066000000              0.0025636382   (0.0003014982)   (11.76)
17786   5/1/2013 11:36   02:54:05   20879847   2279   0.0028000700   234048   25.1799600000              0.0026933831   0.0001066869    3.96
17785   5/1/2013 08:42   02:09:13   15234727   1597   0.0020876700   234041   25.0298000000   confirmed   0.0025713056   (0.0004836356)   (18.81)
17784   5/1/2013 06:33   00:49:16   5723542   581   0.0023853700   234023   25.1871000100   confirmed   0.0025056217   (0.0001202517)   (4.80)
17783   5/1/2013 05:43   00:18:44   2170999   240   0.0028526300   234014   25.2799574200   confirmed   0.0027387604   0.0001138696    4.16
17782   5/1/2013 05:25   00:24:04   2825058   286   0.0029775400   234012   25.4393658300   confirmed   0.0025238935   0.0004536465    17.97
17781   5/1/2013 05:01   00:57:51   6673060   811   0.0027347900   234010   25.4912000100   confirmed   0.0030360728   (0.0003012828)   (9.92)
17780   5/1/2013 04:03   00:12:34   1482016   164   0.0029840100   234002   25.4611940000   confirmed   0.0027611869   0.0002228231    8.07
17779   5/1/2013 03:50   00:20:56   2425366   284   0.0026129900   234001   25.1994000000   confirmed   0.0028917273   (0.0002787373)   (9.64)
17778   5/1/2013 03:29   00:24:00   2767926   311   0.0029644700   233998   25.3604159600   confirmed   0.0027924690   0.0001720010    6.16
17777   5/1/2013 03:05   00:40:08   4582519   513   0.0034625700   233995   25.4935847600   confirmed   0.0027968558   0.0006657142    23.80
17776   5/1/2013 02:25   02:25:43   16453036   1873   0.0029811200   233992   25.4016363200   confirmed   0.0028338672   0.0001472528    5.20
17775   4/30/2013 23:59   03:34:17   24772020   2752   0.0026284900   233974   25.2387222200   confirmed   0.0027477704   (0.0001192804)   (4.34)
17774   4/30/2013 20:25   02:03:23   14233698   1578   0.0025780100   233955   25.3464811700   confirmed   0.0027538038   (0.0001757938)   (6.38)
17773   4/30/2013 18:22   00:25:12   2885972   322   0.0026078800   233943   25.1313000000   confirmed   0.0027479245   (0.0001400445)   (5.10)
17772   4/30/2013 17:57   00:22:15   2543353   289   0.0029461900   233937   25.3707005900   confirmed   0.0028252035   0.0001209865    4.28
17771   4/30/2013 17:34   00:00:35   51130   3   0.0015165600   233934   25.2156100000   confirmed   0.0014499099   0.0000666501    4.60
17770   4/30/2013 17:34   02:18:03   15697265   1802   0.0028537800   233933   25.5807000000   confirmed   0.0028778576   (0.0000240776)   (0.84)
17769   4/30/2013 15:16   00:07:59   927381   105   0.0030657500   233923   25.2111000000   confirmed   0.0027973640   0.0002683860    9.59
17768   4/30/2013 15:08   01:31:02   10285822   1188   0.0024144400   233921   25.1781000400   confirmed   0.0028498793   (0.0004354393)   (15.28)
Total:                                       258897284   28099   0.0802475400              759.6374585800              0.0793029735   0.0009445665    1.19

So although on a few rounds I was significantly towards the losing end, it seems the rounds where I was closer to the winning end not only compensated but actually I'm at a 1.19% bonus Smiley

I'll be curious to see how others compare - if anyone else wants to do a similar check and share the results.

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May 02, 2013, 03:25:56 AM
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Hey guys, sorry if this has already been asked, but is there a backlog of "unconfirmed rewards"? Mine seem to be accumulating rapidly (as expected), but that is it...they are not converting to "confirmed reward" really at all.
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We should have a sticky/faq for miners under 700mhs.  There are lots of repeat questions and chatter in the lower mhs ranks.  I'm only at ~2ghs and there's nothing to talk about from my perspective--fair, even, consistent and well supported pool...
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One thing to note for the low mhash users, there was recently an increase in the bitcoin difficulty, thus causing a reduction in overall share value, and in terms of a pseudo-proportional scoring system like on slush's pool, that means your score will go down, and thus your reward.  I see some people talking about how things are "different" after the DDoS attack, but coincident to this attack, was the recent bump in difficultly, thus making a before/after comparison moot.
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[...] fair, even, consistent and well supported pool...

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May 02, 2013, 04:52:29 AM
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One thing to note for the low mhash users, there was recently an increase in the bitcoin difficulty, thus causing a reduction in overall share value, and in terms of a pseudo-proportional scoring system like on slush's pool, that means your score will go down, and thus your reward.  I see some people talking about how things are "different" after the DDoS attack, but coincident to this attack, was the recent bump in difficultly, thus making a before/after comparison moot.

An increase in Difficulty will reduce total reward, yes, but wont directly affect the score each share has, of which is what most of the low hashrate miners have complained.

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BTC0.0002 on #17792
BTC0.0014 on #17793
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I am signing off, too. It's too late here in Latvia. Thanks Kruncha! Thanks Lucko, you can stop today. Wouldn't be nice to ask others work while I sleep.
I am now at BTC0.0054. Thanks again! Will be back tomorrow with some screenshots and advising what not to do Cheesy
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It was an awesome surprise. And you were spot on - I have reached BTC0.0071.

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The "non-exp value" column was just a straight %-based calculation (my % of shares as part of the total - 2% fee). For the record - my average hash rate is around 900MH/s.

This might be a good idea to add to calculation. It shouldn't be hard... So users can see benefits that they don't see. You only see where you got less and complain.

So although on a few rounds I was significantly towards the losing end, it seems the rounds where I was closer to the winning end not only compensated but actually I'm at a 1.19% bonus Smiley

This is what I'm saying all along... You get something extra from not fulltime miner(hoppers, undedicated rigs, people with problems during the round end)...
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I've a question/warning regarding AMD Display Driver. The driver seems to be required for OpenCL miner but it also seems to be quite outdated and sometimes produce awful display output for firefox (only firefox which I find quite strange - see screenshot http://i.imgur.com/AgTSDba.png). Notice that part of the text is affected and part is not. Sometimes images are also affected. Switching between tabs fixes the problem until something moves. Uninstalling the driver revert the system back to normal display output but disables OCL mining.

I'm running GUIMiner - v2012-12-03 on ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5145 on Win7 64-bit SP1.

Mainly I am just warning newcomers that this could happen but I would also appreciate some advice if someones has managed to solve this or knows how to do it.

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I've a question/warning regarding AMD Display Driver. The driver seems to be required for OpenCL miner but it also seems to be quite outdated and sometimes produce awful display output for firefox (only firefox which I find quite strange - see screenshot http://i.imgur.com/AgTSDba.png). Notice that part of the text is affected and part is not. Sometimes images are also affected. Switching between tabs fixes the problem until something moves. Uninstalling the driver revert the system back to normal display output but disables OCL mining.

I'm running GUIMiner - v2012-12-03 on ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5145 on Win7 64-bit SP1.

Mainly I am just warning newcomers that this could happen but I would also appreciate some advice if someones has managed to solve this or knows how to do it.

Are you on digital (dvi, hdmi, etc) or vga and running native resolution?  VGA can look bad like this depending on the quality of monitor your using.

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I've a question/warning regarding AMD Display Driver. The driver seems to be required for OpenCL miner but it also seems to be quite outdated and sometimes produce awful display output for firefox (only firefox which I find quite strange - see screenshot http://i.imgur.com/AgTSDba.png). Notice that part of the text is affected and part is not. Sometimes images are also affected. Switching between tabs fixes the problem until something moves. Uninstalling the driver revert the system back to normal display output but disables OCL mining.

I'm running GUIMiner - v2012-12-03 on ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5145 on Win7 64-bit SP1.

Mainly I am just warning newcomers that this could happen but I would also appreciate some advice if someones has managed to solve this or knows how to do it.

Are you on digital (dvi, hdmi, etc) or vga and running native resolution?  VGA can look bad like this depending on the quality of monitor your using.

I'm on laptop.
EDIT: Also, I was able to capture the phenomenon on a screenshot so the monitor itself doesn't have any problems. I've also checked different colour settings so that also doesn't seem to cause the problem.
EDIT2: I'm running recommended resolution settings (1366 x 768).

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May 02, 2013, 12:24:17 PM
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Slush:
Do you considerate support getwork connections via port 80? I know that you want to shutdown them, but due to proxy limitations (whe i have some miners working), I only can reach 80 port. I put a mining proxy in a server at home, but my ISP changes the network and now my personal network can´t be reached by outside (only NATed connections). This was a kick in the balls for my. Can't connect vía VNC, have lowid in Emule, can't use mining proxy, can´t use remote emule, etc.

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Slush:
Do you considerate support getwork connections via port 80? I know that you want to shutdown them, but due to proxy limitations (whe i have some miners working), I only can reach 80 port. I put a mining proxy in a server at home, but my ISP changes the network and now my personal network can´t be reached by outside (only NATed connections). This was a kick in the balls for my. Can't connect vía VNC, have lowid in Emule, can't use mining proxy, can´t use remote emule, etc.

You could put up a proxy at home and translate port 80 to 8332 of your local proxy for stratum, if you wanted.

I have my proxy running on an odd port (not 80) and my internet workers bounce through there.
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Slush:
Do you considerate support getwork connections via port 80? I know that you want to shutdown them, but due to proxy limitations (whe i have some miners working), I only can reach 80 port. I put a mining proxy in a server at home, but my ISP changes the network and now my personal network can´t be reached by outside (only NATed connections). This was a kick in the balls for my. Can't connect vía VNC, have lowid in Emule, can't use mining proxy, can´t use remote emule, etc.

You could put up a proxy at home and translate port 80 to 8332 of your local proxy for stratum, if you wanted.

I have my proxy running on an odd port (not 80) and my internet workers bounce through there.

I have my proxy running at home, but changes in my ISP makes impossible to connect to home (appears that only NAT opened connections are allowed) This affects not only mining proxy, emule, vnc, etc.
And where my other miners are located, internet is vía proxy. Only HTTP, and 80/443 port. I switched them to other pool thats accept getwork via 80 port, but wanna mine in only one pool (slushs), and centralize my profits.

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If outside home make an traceroute, or ping, can't reach my host. Appears that fails at 1 route after mi IP. And in a tracert from home to other IP  are an internal IP that appears to be the mother of conflict

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I know I'm pretty new to this... but a 5 hour + block seems to be pretty unusual yeah? We've had a lot of bad luck the last while with groups of 2+ hour blocks Sad

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I know I'm pretty new to this... but a 5 hour + block seems to be pretty unusual yeah? We've had a lot of bad luck the last while with groups of 2+ hour blocks Sad

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If you are seriously trying to make something off of CPU mining, you should not be with slush.  You should find yourself a straight up PPS pool and stay there.  Please take the advice to heart.

There is nothing wrong with Slush's pool that's causing your returns.  It's working the way he has designed it.  CPU mining doesn't pay off, so Slush won't support it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to blast you, just saying how it is.  It will benefit you to find a straight up pps pool.

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