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May 08, 2013, 10:04:19 PM
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that system is old...On the website it is:

This 25 BTC is divided among all of the users that contributed to that round, weighted by the number of shares that they earned. Therefore, the reward earned by a given user is given by the following formula:

(25 BTC + block fees - 2% fee) * (shares found by user's workers) / (total shares in current round)

which is what is being used now

That's not right. If you do the math on any of your rounds in the statistic page you'll see it doesn't match your formula. And in fact, right beneath the paragraph on the website that describes the formula you posted, he says "In fact the formula above is simplified. The real math behind the payout system is described here" and points to the same forum post I linked to.
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May 08, 2013, 10:09:58 PM
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Why is everyone only looking at the number of shares they submitted to a particular round and deciding they got screwed? Not all shares are equal - you have to divide your score by the total score for the round to determine your reward, as Slush clearly points out here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg50002#msg50002

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reward = user score / total score * 25

The scores for round 17925 probably got reset (normalized) right before it ended, resulting in many people with very low scores and only the few that managed to squeeze in a share or two right at the very end getting most of the reward.


If you bothered reading any of the posts you will see that they're not.
Using the correct calculations peoples scores are off by a degree of an extra 0.0000 ... thats more than the normal "shares near the block discovery are worth more" debate.
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May 08, 2013, 10:24:42 PM
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Slush, can you please look into the following?  The reward is unusually very low and it never corrected itself; the blocks before and after this are pretty normal:

17925    2013-05-08 14:13:44    1:27:14    11634278    1167    0.00000029    235160    25.21733124    59 confirmations left

My user name is "panner" (no quotes).

Thank you.

same here

17925    2013-05-08 14:13:44    1:27:14    11634278    3268    0.00000079    235160    25.21733124    54 confirmations left

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May 08, 2013, 10:30:23 PM
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17925   2013-05-08 14:13:44   1:27:14   11634278   87   0.00000002   235160   25.21733124    54 confirmations left

+1 shorted on block 17925

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May 08, 2013, 10:34:02 PM
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If you bothered reading any of the posts you will see that they're not.
Using the correct calculations peoples scores are off by a degree of an extra 0.0000 ... thats more than the normal "shares near the block discovery are worth more" debate.

Actually, I did read the posts. Like this one:

http://i.imgur.com/VElQt3V.png

Seems to be an issue here.  From my calculations, 1784 / 11634278 * 25.21733124 = 0.003866825163724, not .00000048

What's the deal?

And this one:

wow one day of mining in one block ^^
I'll have to say goodbye to them soon i guess...

17925    2013-05-08 14:13:44    1:27:14    11634278    1325    0.05446139    235160    25.21733124    94 confirmations left

should have got 0.98*(1325/11634278)*25.21733124 ~0,0028719413351649 (this valid only because i did not stop any of my miner so good approx)

They're all calculating rewards from shares, not scores (weighted shares).

And then there was this:

Many of us face the same situation with this block. This has happen quite a few times, most of the cases when the score reset is immediately before / very close to the end of the round.

And as a corollary:

I'm going ot be honest I think I got paid too much on the block that you guys are all talking about unless I did indeed earn what I did because a bunch of other shares didn't make it in mine seems to be a bit high.  help us Obiwan (slush).

17925  2013-05-08 14:13:44 1:27:14   11634278  1107    0.06159829    235160    25.21733124  74 confirmations left


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May 08, 2013, 10:45:07 PM
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my miner wasnt on during xxx25 but the last 2 rounds seem kind of low unless difficulty has gone up today or something i seem about 15% less then averge on them


#   Block found at   Duration   Total shares   Your shares   Your BTC reward   Block #   Block value   Validity
17933   2013-05-08 21:16:34   1:49:24   14626922   796   0.00093501   235201   25.73276072    93 confirmations left
17932   2013-05-08 19:27:10   0:03:47   520220   22   0.00089461   235189   25.10867232    81 confirmations left
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May 08, 2013, 10:54:52 PM
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that system is old...On the website it is:

This 25 BTC is divided among all of the users that contributed to that round, weighted by the number of shares that they earned. Therefore, the reward earned by a given user is given by the following formula:

(25 BTC + block fees - 2% fee) * (shares found by user's workers) / (total shares in current round)

which is what is being used now

That's not right. If you do the math on any of your rounds in the statistic page you'll see it doesn't match your formula. And in fact, right beneath the paragraph on the website that describes the formula you posted, he says "In fact the formula above is simplified. The real math behind the payout system is described here" and points to the same forum post I linked to.


ah yes i didn't read that part...i stand corrected...but i have done the cal. using the simple one and it is pretty darn close

also i am one to get screwed on that block...

17925   2013-05-08 14:13:44   1:27:14   11634278   4758   0.00000118   235160   25.21733124    50 confirmations left

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May 08, 2013, 11:10:49 PM
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my miner wasnt on during xxx25 but the last 2 rounds seem kind of low unless difficulty has gone up today or something i seem about 15% less then averge on them

The pool got a lot more horse power lately - last week it was around 8-8.5TH, over the last day it's been around 9.5. That's roughly 10% more people getting paid, thus everyone roughly making 10% less per block. On the good side we make more blocks per day which should more than compensate.

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May 08, 2013, 11:28:08 PM
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also i am one to get screwed on that block...
17925   2013-05-08 14:13:44   1:27:14   11634278   4758   0.00000118   235160   25.21733124    50 confirmations left

Guys and gals - let's stop complaining about that 17925 block. It's more than abundantly clear that something went wrong (or at least doesn't meet our expectations).

For good or bad - Slush is the only one that can tell what exactly happened and fix it.

And after all - for majority of us the lost amount is rather insignificant - the daily income would be affected by a single-digit percentage. So - let's stop whining about it.

Slush hasn't posted for over a week, so he might be on vacation and therefore won't be able to fix it. If that's the case - we'll have to live with it.

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May 08, 2013, 11:40:21 PM
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I'm happy to let one slide, well, not quite happy, but willing Grin

Slush isn't on holiday, he just needs a 7-9 day sleep after recent attacks.

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May 08, 2013, 11:42:55 PM
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I came here to complain about block 17925 too, but realised it's been noticed. I got a whole 0.00000001 BTC D:

17925    2013-05-08 14:13:44    1:27:14    11634278    320    0.00000001    235160    25.21733124    44 confirmations left

Feel free to laugh - but I win the prize for being shafted the most  Grin
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May 08, 2013, 11:46:14 PM
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also i am one to get screwed on that block...
17925   2013-05-08 14:13:44   1:27:14   11634278   4758   0.00000118   235160   25.21733124    50 confirmations left

Guys and gals - let's stop complaining about that 17925 block. It's more than abundantly clear that something went wrong (or at least doesn't meet our expectations).

For good or bad - Slush is the only one that can tell what exactly happened and fix it.

And after all - for majority of us the lost amount is rather insignificant - the daily income would be affected by a single-digit percentage. So - let's stop whining about it.

Slush hasn't posted for over a week, so hi might be on vacation and therefore won't be able to fix it. If that's the case - we'll have to live with it.
Speak for yourself, bud or perhaps, honey.  If the complaining/whining bothers you, then don't listen or rather, skip the damn post and don't read it.  You do know that you have a choice, right?  Don't poke your nose into other people's business just for the sake of posting anything even if it's rubbish just so you can have the pleasure of reading your own post, over and over again.  Arrrgh...meddlesome women!  What part of "public" forum you didn't understand?
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May 08, 2013, 11:47:20 PM
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 "And after all - for majority of us the lost amount is rather insignificant - the daily income would be affected by a single-digit percentage. So - let's stop whining about it."  

Except that I had the exact same thing happen to me in the next block, too - meaning that I now distrust the reward calculations being made.  Even if the amounts being discussed are trivial, what is the point of mining at all if you aren't being paid fairly for the work you do?

I like Slush's pool, but have to consider moving over to a different pool if the problems here can't be resolved.  I don't mine for the money, I do it for the score and the BTC mined is how the score is kept.

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May 09, 2013, 12:18:02 AM
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Speak for yourself, bud or perhaps, honey.  If the complaining/whining bothers you, then don't listen or rather, skip the damn post and don't read it.  You do know that you have a choice, right?  Don't poke your nose into other people's business just for the sake of posting anything even if it's rubbish just so you can have the pleasure of reading your own post, over and over again.  Arrrgh...meddlesome women!  What part of "public" forum you didn't understand?

Dear Mr. Dude (with uppercase big D ) -

If I may ask - what exactly were you trying to say?

That you're complaining of people telling you to stop complaining? Or that you got bothered and didn't skip the damn post and you read it?
Or that you perhaps enjoy poking your nose into other people's business just for the sake of posting anything even if it's rubbish?

Now, use your mind, and tell us all pretty please, how and in what way exactly was your post any valuable and what did it contribute to the conversation? How did everyone benefit from the useful information that your post provided? (aside from wasting everyone's the time to read it)

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May 09, 2013, 12:22:18 AM
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I came here to complain about block 17925 too, but realised it's been noticed. I got a whole 0.00000001 BTC D:

17925    2013-05-08 14:13:44    1:27:14    11634278    320    0.00000001    235160    25.21733124    44 confirmations left

Feel free to laugh - but I win the prize for being shafted the most  Grin
Oh well, them's the breaks!


17925    2013-05-08 14:13:44    1:27:14    11634278    10145    0.04003925    235160    25.21733124    3 confirmations left

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May 09, 2013, 12:37:24 AM
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I came here to complain about block 17925 too, but realised it's been noticed. I got a whole 0.00000001 BTC D:

17925    2013-05-08 14:13:44    1:27:14    11634278    320    0.00000001    235160    25.21733124    44 confirmations left

Feel free to laugh - but I win the prize for being shafted the most  Grin
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You win!  Sad  Were you mining on stratum2 by any chance?

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May 09, 2013, 12:47:43 AM
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Speak for yourself, bud or perhaps, honey.  If the complaining/whining bothers you, then don't listen or rather, skip the damn post and don't read it.  You do know that you have a choice, right?  Don't poke your nose into other people's business just for the sake of posting anything even if it's rubbish just so you can have the pleasure of reading your own post, over and over again.  Arrrgh...meddlesome women!  What part of "public" forum you didn't understand?

Dear Mr. Dude (with uppercase big D ) -

If I may ask - what exactly were you trying to say?

That you're complaining of people telling you to stop complaining? Or that you got bothered and didn't skip the damn post and you read it?
Or that you perhaps enjoy poking your nose into other people's business just for the sake of posting anything even if it's rubbish?

Now, use your mind, and tell us all pretty please, how and in what way exactly was your post any valuable and what did it contribute to the conversation? How did everyone benefit from the useful information that your post provided? (aside from wasting everyone's the time to read it)
Look dude, I and several others obviously have legitimate issues directly related to what this particular forum is intended for, which is Slush's Mining and these concerns are solely addressed to Slush and not to you.  I and others on here have legitimate questions that need answers from qualified people.  How is your disparaging remarks of such legitimate concerns as "complaining/whining" help in resolving it?  Answer that.  Contribute constructively; do not denigrate others on here who happen to have legitimate concerns.  If such miniscule bitcoin fraction doesn't mean anything to you, then why don't you move on and leave the rest of us to take care of our business.  I and others on here feel differently about it than you do.  Like I said, mind your own business.
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May 09, 2013, 12:50:51 AM
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So no one else is having cgminer reject shares from the proxy? All of my pc's keep doing it at randomly every couple days. I didn't have any issues before that DDOS issue with the pool a few weeks ago. The proxy reports that share was above target.. It doesn't effect all my pc's at once though, and if I restart cgminer on the effected pc it starts accepting shares again.
I have cgminer jumping from stratum.bitcoin.cz to stratum2.bitcoin.cz, stratum3.bitcoin.cz, api.bitcoin.cz and off the pool to a backup pool now for about 2 days... Before that there were missing shares. Now I'm not sure if this is related...

And since I don't see any posts from Slush I really don't see any reason to report since it took me a lot of posts explaining how I know that shares are missing and nothing changed since no one could look into that.

Sounds like something different. I wish mine would jump to the next pool. It just rejects shares and never switches to the backup pool.
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May 09, 2013, 12:58:54 AM
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So no one else is having cgminer reject shares from the proxy? All of my pc's keep doing it at randomly every couple days. I didn't have any issues before that DDOS issue with the pool a few weeks ago. The proxy reports that share was above target.. It doesn't effect all my pc's at once though, and if I restart cgminer on the effected pc it starts accepting shares again.
I have cgminer jumping from stratum.bitcoin.cz to stratum2.bitcoin.cz, stratum3.bitcoin.cz, api.bitcoin.cz and off the pool to a backup pool now for about 2 days... Before that there were missing shares. Now I'm not sure if this is related...

And since I don't see any posts from Slush I really don't see any reason to report since it took me a lot of posts explaining how I know that shares are missing and nothing changed since no one could look into that.

Sounds like something different. I wish mine would jump to the next pool. It just rejects shares and never switches to the backup pool.

You may find the answer here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=62486.msg1970405#msg1970405

I haven't set it up for myself yet, and I think it's only for Guiminer.

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May 09, 2013, 01:20:23 AM
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Look dude, I and several others obviously have legitimate issues directly related to what this particular forum is intended for, which is Slush's Mining and these concerns are solely addressed to Slush and not to you.  I and others on here have legitimate questions that need answers from qualified people.  How is your disparaging remarks of such legitimate concerns as "complaining/whining" help in resolving it?  Answer that.  Contribute constructively; do not denigrate others on here who happen to have legitimate concerns.  If such miniscule bitcoin fraction doesn't mean anything to you, then why don't you move on and leave the rest of us to take care of our business.  I and others on here feel differently about it than you do.  Like I said, mind your own business.

I'll be short with my answer as it is as useful as yours.

Block 17925 was reported over and over and over. The last few pages are full of reports about it. Adding yet another post about it adds no further value to the conversation.
As I said earlier - it is more than abundantly clear that many many people are affected. I'm more than certain that Slush can easily get the list of all affected users without every single one of us having to tell him.

So - pretty please - can we stop posting any more new messages saying "I was affected by block 17925 too"?

Feel free to PM if you want to continue that conversation as I don't want to pollute the forum any further. And my apologies to the rest of the forum for wasting everyone's time.

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