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May 09, 2013, 01:51:46 PM
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Has anyone noticed block 17941 was worth 28.55 coins.

(Sorry if that's too much of a newb thing to post and will upset some people)

This is probably due to quite big transactions fees. I Don't know if there is anything else that might make block value larger then 25.
You are right. Block value is 25+fees.
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May 09, 2013, 01:53:06 PM
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This is probably due to quite big transactions fees. I Don't know if there is anything else that might make block value larger then 25.
Yes, there was a transaction with 3.2 BTC of fees in the block.
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May 09, 2013, 02:05:09 PM
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This is probably due to quite big transactions fees. I Don't know if there is anything else that might make block value larger then 25.
Yes, there was a transaction with 3.2 BTC of fees in the block.

The first block that had a value of 25 btc actually ended up paying out like 38btc.  There were that many fees.  Ask Laughingbear, he's the one that found it (mining on slush).

That is definitely unusual though to have that many fees on a block, they ran 'em up on purpose as a reward to the miner, or pool, who found the 210,000th block.

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May 09, 2013, 02:57:56 PM
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I have problems with this block. It is impossible that I have this reward from these shares:

17925    2013-05-08 14:13:44    1:27:14    11634278    157    0.00000004    235160    25.21733124    confirmed

I think that might be problems with this other block because it is impossible that I have no one shares in about 2 min.

17924    2013-05-08 12:46:30    0:01:55    251435    none    none    235151    25.08370000    confirmed

Can you resolve this?

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May 09, 2013, 03:02:24 PM
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Just to report the same issue on the another block:

# Block                                                 Total shares   Your shares   Your BTC reward  Block #   Block value
17940   2013-05-09 10:07:05   3:03:04      24728547   605                  0.00000000          235285   25.35920001   

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May 09, 2013, 03:05:16 PM
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I have problems with this block. It is impossible that I have this reward from these shares:

17925    2013-05-08 14:13:44    1:27:14    11634278    157    0.00000004    235160    25.21733124    confirmed

No, it's not impossible. You have a low hashrate on a very long round.



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May 09, 2013, 03:06:37 PM
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Man slush is never gonna come back...

(at least i wouldn't if i were him)

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May 09, 2013, 03:13:23 PM
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I have problems with this block. It is impossible that I have this reward from these shares:

17925    2013-05-08 14:13:44    1:27:14    11634278    157    0.00000004    235160    25.21733124    confirmed

I think that might be problems with this other block because it is impossible that I have no one shares in about 2 min.

17924    2013-05-08 12:46:30    0:01:55    251435    none    none    235151    25.08370000    confirmed

Can you resolve this?

17925 rewards are screwed, we know that... you would too if you had even glanced at the preceding 5 pages!

However,
17925 you submitted 157 shares over 5234 seconds = 0.0299 shares per second
17924 lasted 115 seconds meaning you would have submitted 3 shares ... its not beyond the realms of possibility that they were rejected/not counted etc.
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May 09, 2013, 03:16:38 PM
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Man slush is never gonna come back...

(at least i wouldn't if i were him)

Well the other day there were 30 blocks discovered.
30 blocks at 2% = 15 BTC
15 BTC roughly = $1700

$1700 dollars a day would make me sort it out!
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May 09, 2013, 03:22:33 PM
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Man slush is never gonna come back...

(at least i wouldn't if i were him)

Well the other day there were 30 blocks discovered.
30 blocks at 2% = 15 BTC
15 BTC roughly = $1700

$1700 dollars a day would make me sort it out!

Mathematically incorrect seeing 1 block =  ~25 BTC

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May 09, 2013, 03:23:45 PM
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Man slush is never gonna come back...

(at least i wouldn't if i were him)

Well the other day there were 30 blocks discovered.
30 blocks at 2% = 15 BTC
15 BTC roughly = $1700

$1700 dollars a day would make me sort it out!

Mathematically incorrect seeing 1 block =  ~25 BTC

30 * 0.02 * 25 = 15

(not including tx fees)

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May 09, 2013, 03:26:47 PM
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Man slush is never gonna come back...

(at least i wouldn't if i were him)

Well the other day there were 30 blocks discovered.
30 blocks at 2% = 15 BTC
15 BTC roughly = $1700

$1700 dollars a day would make me sort it out!

Mathematically incorrect seeing 1 block =  ~25 BTC

30 * 0.02 * 25 = 15

(not including tx fees)

Oh yeah - my bad Smiley  (EDIT - And I read your docs too!)

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May 09, 2013, 03:31:13 PM
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Man slush is never gonna come back...

(at least i wouldn't if i were him)

Well the other day there were 30 blocks discovered.
30 blocks at 2% = 15 BTC
15 BTC roughly = $1700

$1700 dollars a day would make me sort it out!
There's nothing to sort out.  All these complaints about rewards are either a result of variance on slow miners, or bad luck with the designed score reset.  There are no real problems.  Everything is working the way it's designed.

Which is why nothing is getting sorted out.

When there is a real problem, slush will make an appearance.

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May 09, 2013, 03:34:55 PM
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I agree.

I used the term "sort it out" above meaning when there are problems which there clearly aren't atm.
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May 09, 2013, 03:37:39 PM
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I agree.

I used the term "sort it out" above meaning when there are problems which there clearly aren't atm.

I c.  Well, then my tirade was not directed at you, but I will definitely leave it out there... lol

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May 09, 2013, 03:57:44 PM
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I have problems with this block. It is impossible that I have this reward from these shares:

17925    2013-05-08 14:13:44    1:27:14    11634278    157    0.00000004    235160    25.21733124    confirmed

No, it's not impossible. You have a low hashrate on a very long round.



less then 2 hours is NOT a very long round and with 157 shares in that less than 2 hours it should be higher given the .21733124 transaction fees added to the 25 for the block.
I have a similar issue regarding a few blocks, since the DDoS ' recovery ' I have managed to get a GPU ( getting out of CPU mining ) and of a total 39 confirmed my side i get the following

17944    2013-05-09 14:14:32  0:03:20     441950        1   0.00006387     235323      25.25160000
17943    2013-05-09 14:11:12  0:55:57    7613553    1   0.00000000     235322      25.50196136 
17942    2013-05-09 13:15:15  1:11:07    9707432    6   0.00000683     235318      25.20460524 
17941    2013-05-09 12:04:08  1:57:03   15909482    10  0.00001692     235302      28.55436691  <3+Fee
17940    2013-05-09 10:07:05  3:03:04   24728547    10  0.00000000     235285    25.35920001 
17939    2013-05-09 07:04:01  0:42:39    5733080    1   0.00000433     235273    25.34090002 
17938    2013-05-09 06:21:22  1:14:17    9911155        3   0.00000095     235269    25.53907807 
17937    2013-05-09 05:07:05  2:06:58   16830593       5   0.00002536     235262    25.75715645 

32 out of 39 isn't bad and it still isn't acurate as the difference isn't being reported my side as stale/NMC or Other.
I reformatted and pointed out the block with 3+ BTC fee in this group.
Still haven't heard from Slush if the ' missing ' shares are NMC or not and there is no NMC earnings listed for me at https://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/nmc/ in spite of the getwork I did during the DDoS attack ( stratum couldn't connect, getwork could at times and would try to connect at least )
With my paranoia regarding network security, I would have reloaded the scripts for calculating shares, etc just in case the one that managed admin access dropped a few logic bombs... skimmers, etc.  things that would not get noticed until alot of people were missing their ' 1/4 cent per transaction ' ( or equivalent, if ya don't get the quarter cent ref, watch the superman movie with Richard Prior and see how fast it adds up ) with all the weird variances, ' missing ' shares there is room to suspect we have the system still funding the attacker with out our permission/knowledge.

Sorry in advance Slush, there is work to do to see if I am wrong ( and I hope for the pools sake I am )

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May 09, 2013, 04:13:59 PM
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May 09, 2013, 04:19:58 PM
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less then 2 hours is NOT a very long round and with 157 shares in that less than 2 hours it should be higher given the .21733124 transaction fees added to the 25 for the block.
I have a similar issue regarding a few blocks, since the DDoS ' recovery ' I have managed to get a GPU ( getting out of CPU mining ) ...

Now is probably a good time to 'get out of CPU mining' - but the figures you are quoting look like CPU figures not GPU - you should be seeing better shares/round than what you are posting... what GPU did you get?

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May 09, 2013, 04:44:14 PM
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Man slush is never gonna come back...

(at least i wouldn't if i were him)

Well the other day there were 30 blocks discovered.
30 blocks at 2% = 15 BTC
15 BTC roughly = $1700

$1700 dollars a day would make me sort it out!
There's nothing to sort out.  All these complaints about rewards are either a result of variance on slow miners, or bad luck with the designed score reset.  There are no real problems.  Everything is working the way it's designed.

Which is why nothing is getting sorted out.

When there is a real problem, slush will make an appearance.

So did Slush ask you to speak for him?  Just curious.

I would like something more official, like an actual comment from Slush about block 17925.  I have been following this thread for many dozens of pages and I have seen Slush come on here and say a block was miscalculated and see it adjusted.  I don't think "working as designed" describes a block where many people got about 1/10,000 of the estimated reward while others got 10-15 times more than the estimated reward.  That sounds like a problem.

Full time mining removes the probability factor over time so that it does not resemble playing the lottery.  Block 17925 looks exactly like playing the lottery.  It appears to be an anomaly based on what I have seen over time but nevertheless it indicates a problem.  If Slush says that problem doesn't exist or he doesn't want to address it that is one thing (and allows me to make an informed decision about where I want to mine) but if random interwebs guy says it (i.e. you) that means jack.

Finally I would point out to those with the browner of noses that this is a partnership.  No miners, no pool; no Slush no pool.  We all profit together or we all have no pool together.  It is in Slush's interests to keep his miners happy because that keeps the pool making profit for all.  This is not about us all simply benefitting from Slush's generosity.  I paid money to build my miners and I contribute actual computing power (such as it is) to the work of finding blocks.  Blocks don't just arrive in the mail and then get divided up by some benevolent pool owner.

Having said that I want to see a more or less reliable profit over time, which is the entire point of mining in a pool.  If I want to play the lottery I'll take up solo mining.
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May 09, 2013, 04:54:22 PM
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I'll echo that sentiment!  Looks like 17925 didn't get sorted out, but things have otherwise settled down.  

So, I'm back FWIW Smiley  And I should bring like another 800 Mh/s on line, if I manage to get this STUPID video card to run right when I get home from work tonight.

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