[4+ EH] Slush Pool (slushpool.com); Overt AsicBoost; World First Mining Pool

[killingtime]

api.bitcoin.cz:8332 is indeed a proxy to both getwork and stratum, but if getwork is down, then connecting to this wigs out and you may or may not properly switch over to stratum.  This happened recently.  Probably best to just use stratum.bitcoin.cz:3333

[Mikko8]

I would like to make a recommendation based on my experience.

When I started mining over 2 years ago, the one feature that was missing from slush (bitcoin.cz) was an average earnings per 24hours period metric.

Don't underestimate the power of that one small metric, as a small mining outfit monitoring 6 rigs, it provided me with a the feedback I needed to make mining worthwhile.
As a result, I chose to mine with BTCguild over slush.

I will guess BTCguild's success is largely to do with their UI and the "all powerful" average earnings per 24 hrs feedback.
In the light of there success, they are not following free market principals I have so come to admire about Bitcoin, but are now penalising usurers for there success, so I have swung back to mine with slush.

My biggest disappointment is I don't get any average per 24hrs earnings feedback, I am so disappointed I am considering paying the higher fees on BTCguild just for that little metric.

So as a plea, please add an average per 24hrs earning to the "My account" page.
thanks,

Maybe this can help: https://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/graphs/

[digital]

I would like to make a recommendation based on my experience.

When I started mining over 2 years ago, the one feature that was missing from slush (bitcoin.cz) was an average earnings per 24hours period metric.

Don't underestimate the power of that one small metric, as a small mining outfit monitoring 6 rigs, it provided me with a the feedback I needed to make mining worthwhile.
As a result, I chose to mine with BTCguild over slush.

I will guess BTCguild's success is largely to do with their UI and the "all powerful" average earnings per 24 hrs feedback.
In the light of there success, they are not following free market principals I have so come to admire about Bitcoin, but are now penalising usurers for there success, so I have swung back to mine with slush.

My biggest disappointment is I don't get any average per 24hrs earnings feedback, I am so disappointed I am considering paying the higher fees on BTCguild just for that little metric.

So as a plea, please add an average per 24hrs earning to the "My account" page.
thanks,

Maybe this can help: https://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/graphs/

Yeah the blue dots are a 7 day moving average.  And it's pretty easy to pull a daily average from those graphs...

[visdude]

I'm not sure, I'm actually using the latest guiminer, with the dropdown just set to slush's pool.  It doesn't actually say what url it uses for that setting.  But I am still submitting shares, albeit inconsistently...

out-of-the-box guiminer defaults slush's pool to getwork.  To change to stratum, click on the worker's tab and stop the miner.  Draw down the Server list, picking "other" at the bottom.  With that a box labeled Host will show under Server.  Type in stratum.bitcoin.cz and change the Port box to 3333, save the settings, and start the miner.

Wrong.  If that was the case I would have warnings all over my account page, and each miner would have a red no next to it instead of a green yes.

Which means that the current guiminer, out of the box, supports stratum.  That procedure was required on older versions of guiminer, but not any more.

As I've said before, I'm a lifer, and was a beta tester of stratum.  I'm on top of things.

Indeed.  The latest GUIMiner-20121203 supports Stratum as stated on the heading/title of the GUIMiner forum itself and on Slush's news column on the website.  Interestingly, hashing never waned on my miners through this latest irregularity.  I'm on GUIMiner myself albeit through the Stratum proxy with a total of five miners (one as localhost and the rest pointed to it as clients).  Go figure.

[killingtime]

I will guess BTCguild's success is largely to do with their UI and the "all powerful" average earnings per 24 hrs feedback.
In the light of there success, they are not following free market principals I have so come to admire about Bitcoin, but are now penalising usurers for there success, so I have swung back to mine with slush.

You obviously have not understood BTC Guild's reasoning and purpose of their fee change.  In point of fact, they are trying to protect the "free" and decentralized nature of bitcoin by try to get people to move to other pools so that their pool is not so singly powerful.  If some of the bigger users would voluntarily switch pools, then the pool would not have to be attempting to make the pool less desirable.  Heck, getting ASICminer to move would be sufficient

[digital]

I will guess BTCguild's success is largely to do with their UI and the "all powerful" average earnings per 24 hrs feedback.
In the light of there success, they are not following free market principals I have so come to admire about Bitcoin, but are now penalising usurers for there success, so I have swung back to mine with slush.

You obviously have not understood BTC Guild's reasoning and purpose of their fee change.  In point of fact, they are trying to protect the "free" and decentralized nature of bitcoin by try to get people to move to other pools so that their pool is not so singly powerful.  If some of the bigger users would voluntarily switch pools, then the pool would not have to be attempting to make the pool less desirable.  Heck, getting ASICminer to move would be sufficient

Looks like it's working too... lol

[nottm28]

I will guess BTCguild's success is largely to do with their UI and the "all powerful" average earnings per 24 hrs feedback.
In the light of there success, they are not following free market principals I have so come to admire about Bitcoin, but are now penalising usurers for there success, so I have swung back to mine with slush.

You obviously have not understood BTC Guild's reasoning and purpose of their fee change.  In point of fact, they are trying to protect the "free" and decentralized nature of bitcoin by try to get people to move to other pools so that their pool is not so singly powerful.  If some of the bigger users would voluntarily switch pools, then the pool would not have to be attempting to make the pool less desirable.  Heck, getting ASICminer to move would be sufficient

Sure they are, and so they should be, but employing top down central planning is not a move in the right direction, I know where that leads. They could do lots of things, even operating as a Guild and giving their members proportional representation and throwing a little might and cash at the Bitcoin foundation would be better than what they are doing.

Well you could use the 'Graphs' section to see your much needed daily average as mentioned by Mikko8 and digital. Or you could use Slush's free api's to calculate your daily average if you know a bit of java or other language that can parse his (free) json deliveries. At 2% you can't really beat this pool with it's free api's.

If BTC Guild end up with too much market share (currently 51% - over 50 is bad for any free market) it's bad for everyone. I am quite surprised that they actually see this as a problem themselves and are doing something about it. Good on them.

[killingtime]

I will guess BTCguild's success is largely to do with their UI and the "all powerful" average earnings per 24 hrs feedback.
In the light of there success, they are not following free market principals I have so come to admire about Bitcoin, but are now penalising usurers for there success, so I have swung back to mine with slush.

You obviously have not understood BTC Guild's reasoning and purpose of their fee change.  In point of fact, they are trying to protect the "free" and decentralized nature of bitcoin by try to get people to move to other pools so that their pool is not so singly powerful.  If some of the bigger users would voluntarily switch pools, then the pool would not have to be attempting to make the pool less desirable.  Heck, getting ASICminer to move would be sufficient

Sure they are, and so they should be, but employing top down central planning is not a move in the right direction, I know where that leads. They could do lots of things, even operating as a Guild and giving their members proportional representation and throwing a little might and cash at the Bitcoin foundation would be better than what they are doing.

Things will most likely correct themselves (if you want to continue the mis-use of the phrase "free market", then use that here) as ASIC becomes more available to more people, and the other pools catch up and/or new pools are created.  There's just an unfortunate phase here were the top 4 users on BTC Guild comprise nearly 50% of their overall hash rate, and comprise nearly 25% of the overall hash network....

[ewitte]

I really hope luck changes soon I've though several times about setting up an account over at BTC.  I'm at about .03 for today average should be close to 0.1 for a day!  One thing about larger pools is the unlucky blocks last less time.  Just imagine solo mining on an unlucky block you would never see it end!

[visdude]

To all those who pointed out my guiminer problem was because I had all three miners pointed at the same gpu, you were right - I was
smart enough to set the GTX 480's up correctly but forgot to check the same when I cloned 2nd & 3rd gpu from my first 7870 miner.

guiminer connects to stratum.bitcoin.cz:3333 ok, and all three are putting out 360+ MH/s.

I'm happy that you're getting 360+ MH/s on your Asus HD7870DC2-2GD5-V2 gpus.  The Fedex dude was just here a couple of hours ago to deliver two of exactly the same cards that you have to replace a couple of mining-challenged Nvidia GPUs on an old gaming rig.  I have come to the conclusion that generally, AMD cards that are moderately OC'd, usually hashes around 26% of the number of stream processors.  So I figured that I would be getting around 265 MH/s (26% of 1024 stream processors) out of each of these cards.  At what clock are you getting 360+ MH/s with and which AMD CCC version are you using, may I ask?

Edit:  Oops!  Never mind.  My old eyes betrayed me.  You got the HD 7870s; I got the HD 7850s.  I got excited over nothing. :-)

[ewitte]

To all those who pointed out my guiminer problem was because I had all three miners pointed at the same gpu, you were right - I was
smart enough to set the GTX 480's up correctly but forgot to check the same when I cloned 2nd & 3rd gpu from my first 7870 miner.

guiminer connects to stratum.bitcoin.cz:3333 ok, and all three are putting out 360+ MH/s.

I'm happy that you're getting 360+ MH/s on your Asus HD7870DC2-2GD5-V2 gpus.  The Fedex dude was just here a couple of hours ago to deliver two of exactly the same cards that you have to replace a couple of mining-challenged Nvidia GPUs on an old gaming rig.  I have come to the conclusion that generally, AMD cards that are moderately OC'd, usually hashes around 26% of the number of stream processors.  So I figured that I would be getting around 265 MH/s (26% of 1024 stream processors) out of each of these cards.  At what clock are you getting 360+ MH/s with, may I ask?

7850 - I got about 330MH/s - 1200Mhz
7870 - 430-450MH/s - 1215Mhz
7950 - 540MH/s - 1150Mhz
7950 - 520MH/s - 1100Mhz

That's what I've been getting returned the 7850 now running two 7870, two 7950.

[DryMartini]

No need to go to BTC Guild. I have earned almost twice as much here as I did there. And I tested both PPLNS and PPS.

[nottm28]

Ok, after some extensive research I have pin-pointed why our luck is currently bad - clearly some members of our group are partaking in one or more of the following deeds:

    Picking a penny up if it is tails up
    Getting dressed with your left arm/left leg first
    Seeing an owl during the day
    Don't knit a pair of socks for your boyfriend or he'll walk away from you.
    Killing ladybugs or spiders (especially money spiders)
    It is bad luck to close a pocket knife unless you were the one who opened it.
    "Sleeping with feet towards a door will lose you your soul forevermore"
    If an owl hoots three times in your garden.
    Sleeping on or under a dinner table.
    Starting a venture on a Friday.
    Killing a bee within your home.
    Turning a loaf of bread upside down once it has been sliced will bring you terrible luck.
    Saying the word "Pig" at sea.
    If you ever drop a knife, picking it up yourself will bring you bad luck in money and love. You should ask someone else to pick it up for you. Supposedly comes from old-time etiquette where dropping a utensil was considered extremely rude and bending to pick it up would be the same as flipping your dinner guests a "V".
    To start a new venture, meet someone new, or start a relationship on Friday 13th.
    Ivy growing on a house protects the inhabitants from witchcraft and evil.
    Stabbing your needles though your yarn balls brings bad luck to anyone who wears something made from that yarn.


http://www.wikihow.com/Get-Rid-of-Bad-Luck

[DryMartini]

Sorry. I said "bloody pig" at the baltic sea a few days ago. I'll make amends.

[ewitte]

No need to go to BTC Guild. I have earned almost twice as much here as I did there. And I tested both PPLNS and PPS.

I'm sure it will be fine once we are not getting 5-10 blocks a day lol

Doubled my Hash and halved my payout

[killingtime]

No need to go to BTC Guild. I have earned almost twice as much here as I did there. And I tested both PPLNS and PPS.

I dabble on both, and I find (as I should find), that slush's pays more on average if you give it long enough to deal with the bad luck vs the good luck, and the BTC Guild's PPS is just a nice solid method with easy payouts.  It's just these really, really bad days that hurt things.  Over the last 2 days, with this huge spat of bad luck, basically have lost a full days worth of mining compared to a PPS.  But let it ride, and eventually it should even out.

So, it comes down to personal preference.  PPS for a zero variance (excepting of course difficulty changes) reward, or a score system like slush, which pays based on luck.

[digital]

Ok, after some extensive research I have pin-pointed why our luck is currently bad - clearly some members of our group are partaking in one or more of the following deeds:

    Picking a penny up if it is tails up
    Getting dressed with your left arm/left leg first
    Seeing an owl during the day
    Don't knit a pair of socks for your boyfriend or he'll walk away from you.
    Killing ladybugs or spiders (especially money spiders)
    It is bad luck to close a pocket knife unless you were the one who opened it.
    "Sleeping with feet towards a door will lose you your soul forevermore"
    If an owl hoots three times in your garden.
    Sleeping on or under a dinner table.
    Starting a venture on a Friday.
    Killing a bee within your home.
    Turning a loaf of bread upside down once it has been sliced will bring you terrible luck.
    Saying the word "Pig" at sea.
    If you ever drop a knife, picking it up yourself will bring you bad luck in money and love. You should ask someone else to pick it up for you. Supposedly comes from old-time etiquette where dropping a utensil was considered extremely rude and bending to pick it up would be the same as flipping your dinner guests a "V".
    To start a new venture, meet someone new, or start a relationship on Friday 13th.
    Ivy growing on a house protects the inhabitants from witchcraft and evil.
    Stabbing your needles though your yarn balls brings bad luck to anyone who wears something made from that yarn.


http://www.wikihow.com/Get-Rid-of-Bad-Luck

I really hope your not trying to say that the bitcoin chain dropped a fork...

[ewitte]

I really hope your not trying to say that the bitcoin chain dropped a fork...

If your in the military whats REALLY bad luck is dropping the soap!

[nottm28]

I really hope your not trying to say that the bitcoin chain dropped a fork...

I'm sorry but that's just stale to the point it's orphaned

[visdude]

To all those who pointed out my guiminer problem was because I had all three miners pointed at the same gpu, you were right - I was
smart enough to set the GTX 480's up correctly but forgot to check the same when I cloned 2nd & 3rd gpu from my first 7870 miner.

guiminer connects to stratum.bitcoin.cz:3333 ok, and all three are putting out 360+ MH/s.

I'm happy that you're getting 360+ MH/s on your Asus HD7870DC2-2GD5-V2 gpus.  The Fedex dude was just here a couple of hours ago to deliver two of exactly the same cards that you have to replace a couple of mining-challenged Nvidia GPUs on an old gaming rig.  I have come to the conclusion that generally, AMD cards that are moderately OC'd, usually hashes around 26% of the number of stream processors.  So I figured that I would be getting around 265 MH/s (26% of 1024 stream processors) out of each of these cards.  At what clock are you getting 360+ MH/s with, may I ask?

7850 - I got about 330MH/s - 1200Mhz
7870 - 430-450MH/s - 1215Mhz
7950 - 540MH/s - 1150Mhz
7950 - 520MH/s - 1100Mhz

That's what I've been getting returned the 7850 now running two 7870, two 7950.

Thanks...and please see "Edit" to my original post (eyes too slow, fingers too quick).  Anyway, are those clocks sustainable?  I imagine that you must be either in a cold region or in a very well-cooled data center.  The only time I get up to such clocks is when I try to do a quick benchmark...and during winter...and then it dies.