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May 06, 2013, 09:48:02 AM
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Hi, i had the issue with submitting shares but not registering on my account, is their any further thought on what this might be.

maybe not, just checked and after the "processing stage" after the end of the round it corrected itself :s

It seems, shares are registered in the backend and posted later ... by design or because of connection problems, but seen up to 50min for 'last share at' and then normal reward for a block shorter than that.
I have observed such behavior even before the attack and Slush partially confirmed that in one of his posts. Also even a few sec block takes several minutes to be processed, which is probably, because it waits for all the shares being submitted.
Do not freak out on last few blocks anomalyties - they will (usually) correct themselves later.

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May 06, 2013, 10:08:20 AM
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Hi, i had the issue with submitting shares but not registering on my account, is their any further thought on what this might be.

maybe not, just checked and after the "processing stage" after the end of the round it corrected itself :s

It seems, shares are registered in the backend and posted later ... by design or because of connection problems, but seen up to 50min for 'last share at' and then normal reward for a block shorter than that.
I have observed such behavior even before the attack and Slush partially confirmed that in one of his posts. Also even a few sec block takes several minutes to be processed, which is probably, because it waits for all the shares being submitted.
Do not freak out on last few blocks anomalyties - they will (usually) correct themselves later.

cheers for that info, only been here a few day's (1 or 2 before the hack, been a rollercoaster ride) but i am now at ease again,
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May 06, 2013, 12:04:18 PM
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Why day 'Current server load (60 sec average)' =  330-340 getwork/s, but at night it is 450-500 getwork/s ?
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May 06, 2013, 12:23:52 PM
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Why day 'Current server load (60 sec average)' =  330-340 getwork/s, but at night it is 450-500 getwork/s ?

Because somewhere else in the world it daytime?
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May 06, 2013, 12:46:39 PM
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Why day 'Current server load (60 sec average)' =  330-340 getwork/s, but at night it is 450-500 getwork/s ?

Because somewhere else in the world it daytime?

I'm talking about the pool time (GMT)
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May 06, 2013, 12:48:46 PM
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Why day 'Current server load (60 sec average)' =  330-340 getwork/s, but at night it is 450-500 getwork/s ?

Because somewhere else in the world it daytime?

I'm talking about the pool time (GMT)

And still been day time in somewhere. In some US zones are GMT -6, and Asia, as I remember now, have up to GMT+9

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May 06, 2013, 02:39:53 PM
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Hi, i had the issue with submitting shares but not registering on my account, is their any further thought on what this might be.

maybe not, just checked and after the "processing stage" after the end of the round it corrected itself :s

It seems, shares are registered in the backend and posted later ... by design or because of connection problems, but seen up to 50min for 'last share at' and then normal reward for a block shorter than that.
I have observed such behavior even before the attack and Slush partially confirmed that in one of his posts. Also even a few sec block takes several minutes to be processed, which is probably, because it waits for all the shares being submitted.
Do not freak out on last few blocks anomalyties - they will (usually) correct themselves later.

OK but even 50min+ didn't fix problems. I'm submitting 29,6 shares per minute. You can't use this info for short blocks but on a long one you can use it. And when you see variances from 0.0062 to 0.0048 with low one missing half of shares with 100 conformations you are not that sure. And cgminer didn't record nothing with network. I do agree that 0.0062 is too much so I'm guessing someone else got there reword down at that time... But anyway with share being submitted every 2 seconds this is a too big of a variance...

EDIT: and the last round looks like 0.0048 again but this time I'm not missing that many shares.

17878   2013-05-06 14:03:29   0:58:16   7793153   1653   0.00488801   234819   25.22870091    97 confirmations

Should be around 1724 shares or about 2 minutes and 25 seconds are missing probably at the end and again noting wrong with connection...
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May 06, 2013, 02:42:23 PM
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My thinking so far has been buy computer parts (since they are low risk and ebayable) and wait and see what comes to fruition in the real world.  This is just a hobby that pays a little for me at this point and I've got kids and wife to think about so I can't really blow loads of cash on such things.  More power to the guys the can Cheesy

5GH/s ASIC will eventually be unsellable.  You would still likely be able to easily sell video cards though.  I have my GTX680 up (replaced with Radeon) its got more attention then my last 10 auctions lol.

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May 06, 2013, 03:02:29 PM
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My thinking so far has been buy computer parts (since they are low risk and ebayable) and wait and see what comes to fruition in the real world.  This is just a hobby that pays a little for me at this point and I've got kids and wife to think about so I can't really blow loads of cash on such things.  More power to the guys the can Cheesy

5GH/s ASIC will eventually be unsellable.  You would still likely be able to easily sell video cards though.  I have my GTX680 up (replaced with Radeon) its got more attention then my last 10 auctions lol.

why sell something (second hand, that is) that costs less electricty to run then a lightbulb? at worst, just turn it off if the price doesn't justify running it.
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May 06, 2013, 03:15:20 PM
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why sell something (second hand, that is) that costs less electricty to run then a lightbulb? at worst, just turn it off if the price doesn't justify running it.

IDK but if they are pushing 1TH units one day there really isn't anything the 5GH unit would be good for.

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May 06, 2013, 03:17:44 PM
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OK but even 50min+ didn't fix problems. I'm submitting 29,6 shares per minute.

Once a new round is started - restart your miner, then after few hours check the number of shares submitted as reported from the miner and shown on the website ... If they differ then there is a problem with missing shares - the rest is just luck and score variance.

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 I have variance from 0.0002 to 0.0007 per round, but my 7 day average Graph (https://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/graphs/) is almost straight line

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May 06, 2013, 03:19:25 PM
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why sell something (second hand, that is) that costs less electricty to run then a lightbulb? at worst, just turn it off if the price doesn't justify running it.

IDK but if they are pushing 1TH units one day there really isn't anything the 5GH unit would be good for.

Will you be able to sell an ISA VGA card now?

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May 06, 2013, 03:26:44 PM
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Once a new round is started - restart your miner, then after few hours check the number of shares submitted as reported from the miner and shown on the website ... If they differ then there is a problem with missing shares - the rest is just luck and score variance.

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 I have variance from 0.0002 to 0.0007 per round, but my 7 day average Graph (https://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/graphs/) is almost straight line
Yes at yours speeds that makes seance but not at 2+ ghash and long rounds. When I was at 1.5 and when I upgraded there won't such a big variance it started yesterday or day before... And lack of any reassurance from Slush that he looks into this starts to make me think that he is on holidays and something went wrong on stratum side...
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May 06, 2013, 03:31:18 PM
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Once a new round is started - restart your miner, then after few hours check the number of shares submitted as reported from the miner and shown on the website ... If they differ then there is a problem with missing shares - the rest is just luck and score variance.

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 I have variance from 0.0002 to 0.0007 per round, but my 7 day average Graph (https://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/graphs/) is almost straight line
Yes at yours speeds that makes seance but not at 2+ ghash and long rounds. When I was at 1.5 and when I upgraded there won't such a big variance it started yesterday or day before... And lack of any reassurance from Slush that he looks into this starts to make me think that he is on holidays and something went wrong on stratum side...

I don't really see anyone else complaining about variance.  When there is a problem with the site it's usually pretty obvious, because the thread is so flooded with posts that there is no point posting an explanation until things settle down.

Right now it's just you...

:EDIT:  If you have logs that prove your share count is off, post them.  Otherwise I would be curious to know how you are determining that in the first place...

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May 06, 2013, 03:36:34 PM
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I don't really see anyone else complaining about variance.  When there is a problem with the site it's usually pretty obvious, because the thread is so flooded with posts that there is no point posting an explanation until things settle down.

Right now it's just you...

:EDIT:  If you have logs that prove your share count is off, post them.  Otherwise I would be curious to know how you are determining that in the first place...
See last pages and you will see that I'm not the only one... This was just a comment on someone saying that it takes up to 50 minutes to sort up things... So it is not fresh... Round 17878 did sort up... It took a while(70+ minutes) but it did...

EDIT: Do you know how cgminer log looks like and you are asking me to post it? Look at one and then rethink...
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May 06, 2013, 03:40:40 PM
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This was just a comment on someone saying that it takes up to 50 minutes to sort up things... So it is not fresh... Round 17878 did sort up... It took a while(70+ minutes) but it did...

It was me saying that, to support my point that all is correct in long term and that this is not something new.

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May 06, 2013, 03:49:49 PM
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This was just a comment on someone saying that it takes up to 50 minutes to sort up things... So it is not fresh... Round 17878 did sort up... It took a while(70+ minutes) but it did...

It was me saying that, to support my point that all is correct in long term and that this is not something new.

I agree with that but when I posted 17878 it was 50+. And I have had 100 conformations and some still didn't check out... From what I can figure some shares got into next block... Since 0.0048 and 0.0062 were together...
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May 06, 2013, 04:05:18 PM
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I don't really see anyone else complaining about variance.  When there is a problem with the site it's usually pretty obvious, because the thread is so flooded with posts that there is no point posting an explanation until things settle down.

Right now it's just you...

:EDIT:  If you have logs that prove your share count is off, post them.  Otherwise I would be curious to know how you are determining that in the first place...
See last pages and you will see that I'm not the only one... This was just a comment on someone saying that it takes up to 50 minutes to sort up things... So it is not fresh... Round 17878 did sort up... It took a while(70+ minutes) but it did...

EDIT: Do you know how cgminer log looks like and you are asking me to post it? Look at one and then rethink...
Hire is just start of one... From my 460 miner... Only 2 minutes from start...

 [2013-05-05 17:58:19] Started cgminer 2.11.4
 [2013-05-05 17:58:20] Probing for an alive pool
 [2013-05-05 17:58:22] Switching to pool 5 http://eu-stratum.btcguild.com:3333 - first alive pool
 [2013-05-05 17:58:22] Pool 4 slow/down or URL or credentials invalid
 [2013-05-05 17:58:26] Switching pool 3 http://api.bitcoin.cz:8332 to stratum+tcp://stratum.bitcoin.cz:3333
 [2013-05-05 17:58:27] Accepted 84459d1b Diff 1/1 GPU 0 pool 5
 [2013-05-05 17:58:31] Accepted 273e278b Diff 6/1 GPU 0 pool 5
 [2013-05-05 17:58:34] Accepted ea70fa7a Diff 1/1 GPU 0 pool 5
 [2013-05-05 17:58:37] Pool 2 http://stratum3.bitcoin.cz:3333 alive
 [2013-05-05 17:58:37] Switching to pool 2 http://stratum3.bitcoin.cz:3333
 [2013-05-05 17:58:37] Pool 1 http://stratum2.bitcoin.cz:3333 alive
 [2013-05-05 17:58:37] Switching to pool 1 http://stratum2.bitcoin.cz:3333
 [2013-05-05 17:58:37] Pool 0 http://stratum.bitcoin.cz:3333 alive
 [2013-05-05 17:58:37] Switching to pool 0 http://stratum.bitcoin.cz:3333
 [2013-05-05 17:58:56] Accepted 4a78a96e Diff 3/1 GPU 0 pool 0
 [2013-05-05 17:58:56] Stratum from pool 0 requested work restart
 [2013-05-05 17:59:16] Accepted b88a98d6 Diff 1/1 GPU 0 pool 0
 [2013-05-05 17:59:33] Accepted 01c758f4 Diff 143/1 GPU 0 pool 0
 [2013-05-05 17:59:36] Accepted 6ad80539 Diff 2/1 GPU 0 pool 0
 [2013-05-05 18:00:19] Accepted c32e9a34 Diff 1/1 GPU 0 pool 0
 [2013-05-05 18:00:55] Accepted 9c4d1901 Diff 1/1 GPU 0 pool 0
 [2013-05-05 18:01:09] Accepted 96a868f5 Diff 1/1 GPU 0 pool 0
 [2013-05-05 18:01:12] Accepted eb0123b1 Diff 1/1 GPU 0 pool 0
 [2013-05-05 18:01:25] Accepted b38ac9be Diff 1/1 GPU 0 pool 0
 [2013-05-05 18:01:34] Accepted 83d8a855 Diff 1/1 GPU 0 pool 0
 [2013-05-05 18:01:45] Accepted 42d9e41a Diff 3/1 GPU 0 pool 0
 [2013-05-05 18:01:53] Accepted b628c371 Diff 1/1 GPU 0 pool 0
 [2013-05-05 18:02:13] Accepted ee29bdaf Diff 1/1 GPU 0 pool 0

So for one hour block it would be extremely long...
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May 06, 2013, 04:10:19 PM
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Will you be able to sell an ISA VGA card now?

Its been a long time since ISA VGA cards were on market.  For 5GH/s ASIC it may last only a year or so before its worthless.

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May 06, 2013, 04:12:26 PM
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Then it means it could take 70+.
I doubt they get into the next block, because that would brake the score calculation - they enter the database later, but in the exact place and when submitted are triggering recalculation, which explains the jumps up and down for the last few rounds (and unconfirmed rewards), but will never happen for the 'confirmed' ones.

EDIT: Just look at the top for accepted shares "| A:xxx" no need to count them for 1h

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