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May 09, 2013, 02:14:50 AM

I came here to complain about block 17925 too, but realised it's been noticed. I got a whole 0.00000001 BTC D:

17925    2013-05-08 14:13:44    1:27:14    11634278    320    0.00000001    235160    25.21733124    44 confirmations left

Feel free to laugh - but I win the prize for being shafted the most  Grin
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May 09, 2013, 02:34:13 AM

Look dude, I and several others obviously have legitimate issues directly related to what this particular forum is intended for, which is Slush's Mining and these concerns are solely addressed to Slush and not to you.  I and others on here have legitimate questions that need answers from qualified people.  How is your disparaging remarks of such legitimate concerns as "complaining/whining" help in resolving it?  Answer that.  Contribute constructively; do not denigrate others on here who happen to have legitimate concerns.  If such miniscule bitcoin fraction doesn't mean anything to you, then why don't you move on and leave the rest of us to take care of our business.  I and others on here feel differently about it than you do.  Like I said, mind your own business.

I'll be short with my answer as it is as useful as yours.

Block 17925 was reported over and over and over. The last few pages are full of reports about it. Adding yet another post about it adds no further value to the conversation.
As I said earlier - it is more than abundantly clear that many many people are affected. I'm more than certain that Slush can easily get the list of all affected users without every single one of us having to tell him.

So - pretty please - can we stop posting any more new messages saying "I was affected by block 17925 too"?

Feel free to PM if you want to continue that conversation as I don't want to pollute the forum any further. And my apologies to the rest of the forum for wasting everyone's time.
And this justifies your denigrating or disparaging remarks?  "I don't want to pollute the forum any further", you said?  You started it; and now that you got called out on it, you're gonna backtrack now too?  At least man up to it, dude!
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May 09, 2013, 03:33:58 AM

  "And after all - for majority of us the lost amount is rather insignificant - the daily income would be affected by a single-digit percentage. So - let's stop whining about it."   

Except that I had the exact same thing happen to me in the next block, too - meaning that I now distrust the reward calculations being made.  Even if the amounts being discussed are trivial, what is the point of mining at all if you aren't being paid fairly for the work you do?

I like Slush's pool, but have to consider moving over to a different pool if the problems here can't be resolved.  I don't mine for the money, I do it for the score and the BTC mined is how the score is kept.

I second that - I like slush's pool because it is more exciting then others. The way rewards are computed per found block makes it feels more like a game (oh how many blocks we found today!?!?!) whereas in other pools (PPS, even shifts PPLNS) it feels more like repetitive water drops in terms of earnings - the outcome is more or less pre-determined for a day with your computational power.

But fluctuations are really wild at times here and we need confidence that the pool rewards are computed correctly and honestly.
 
I think what happened on this block is just a combination of really bad timing and the reward computation algorithm. But if so maybe an algorithm needs a closer look. After all we don't want a "hop-resistant" algorithm to drive people out of the pool due to loss of confidence.


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May 09, 2013, 04:38:33 AM

maybe an algorithm needs a closer look. After all we don't want a "hop-resistant" algorithm to drive people out of the pool due to loss of confidence.

 This is indeed the issue.

 I'm sure Slush will let us know what happened and it will all get worked out.
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May 09, 2013, 05:30:41 AM

besides the afformentioned blocks with issues ( yea, took a while to read 9 pages to catch up.. ) i've noticed since getting a GPU to mine with ( roughly 3.9-4.2Mhash/sec with GUIMiner ) that i'm missing shares, it shows X and when I compare with the stats and the earnings pages, i'm down between 1 and 5 per block.  I do have a Namecoin wallet and the current name coin is a few days running ( and still running ) so... are my ' missing ' blocks namecoin or bitcoin and not showing?  GUIMiner shows them IN the brackets after the number found and 0 stale.  I would apreciate an answer from Slush ( if he's finaly caught up with sleep after the server move, etc, etc.. )
I managed to restart and it showed 7 accepted/sent ( as in 7(7) for that worker ) but when it finished the stats page shows

17937    2013-05-09 05:07:05    2:06:58    16830593    5    0.00002536    235262    25.75715645

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May 09, 2013, 06:37:19 AM

I hope that Slush not answering only means that he is on holidays...
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May 09, 2013, 07:16:38 AM

I have issues with #17925 too, I don't mind I get next to nothing on that block, I will just see it as another invalid block. Just want to give info to help solve the problem (in the future):

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May 09, 2013, 07:24:01 AM

Here we go again. #17939 has at least 3 zeros too many. I really hope there's a good explanation for this. Until then I'll be mining elsewhere. This is starting to feel too much as a lottery.
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May 09, 2013, 07:30:26 AM

I'm sorry guys, but I'm going to move to another pool until this gets sorted.  There is something very wrong going on here - something broken, or someone gaming the pool somehow.

Here are some numbers - you do the math...


17939   2013-05-09 07:04:01   0:42:39   5733080   151   0.00000009          235273   25.34090002

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May 09, 2013, 07:33:35 AM

I'm sorry folks, but I'm going to move to another pool.  There is something very wrong going on here.

Here are some numbers - you do the math...


17939   2013-05-09 07:04:01   0:42:39   5733080   151   0.00000009          235273   25.34090002

Same here .0009 as opposed to .008, factor of 10 down

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EDIT: Just corrected itself,
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17925 is still showinfg .0000079
17913 to 17917 all showing ~.005 as opposed to my average .008
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May 09, 2013, 07:59:44 AM

I also thinking of moving... But my primary reason is that I need to monitor what is going on all the time. Even when Slush is present. Now that that nobody is monitoring the pool it is clear that is has real problems that needs to be fixed. I just looked at my backup pool and figure out that my miner did jump there over night. And there was a round that I was all over stratum hosts and even on getwork. And because of that I got really low reword(less then 30%) on blocks 17934 and 17930.

Secondary is that I'm missing 16% of income. No merged mining(NMC, IXC DVC)...
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May 09, 2013, 08:04:05 AM

Five pages of replys for a death block? Ok ok, go home or work, it's nothing to see here....
Plz open a greath threat about it if all you need, claim to the heaven, insult to the gods, but stop posting more shit here we are full XD

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May 09, 2013, 08:13:20 AM

#17939 is ok for me, btc reward is totally inline with how much I normally get
#17925 is the only one I had a problem with so far


17939   2013-05-09 07:04:01   0:42:39   5733080   138   0.00059777 <---
17938   2013-05-09 06:21:22   1:14:17   9911155   234   0.00066098

17926   2013-05-08 16:05:44   1:52:00   15071549   376   0.00059199
17925   2013-05-08 14:13:44   1:27:14   11634278   257   0.00000004 <---


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May 09, 2013, 12:30:26 PM

also i am one to get screwed on that block...
17925   2013-05-08 14:13:44   1:27:14   11634278   4758   0.00000118   235160   25.21733124    50 confirmations left

Guys and gals - let's stop complaining about that 17925 block. It's more than abundantly clear that something went wrong (or at least doesn't meet our expectations).

For good or bad - Slush is the only one that can tell what exactly happened and fix it.

And after all - for majority of us the lost amount is rather insignificant - the daily income would be affected by a single-digit percentage. So - let's stop whining about it.

Slush hasn't posted for over a week, so he might be on vacation and therefore won't be able to fix it. If that's the case - we'll have to live with it.

I for one wasn't complaining (I was the first to notice, and yes I want a cookie), but rather pointing out that something had gone wrong.  As a developer myself I assume its of interest to the admin when something doesn't work right since it points out potential issues.  No whining here; my loss was equivalent to about fifty cents.
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May 09, 2013, 01:01:01 PM


But fluctuations are really wild at times here and we need confidence that the pool rewards are computed correctly and honestly.


This.


I think what happened on this block is just a combination of really bad timing and the reward computation algorithm. But if so maybe an algorithm needs a closer look. After all we don't want a "hop-resistant" algorithm to drive people out of the pool due to loss of confidence.


And this. 


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May 09, 2013, 01:23:31 PM

besides the afformentioned blocks with issues ( yea, took a while to read 9 pages to catch up.. ) i've noticed since getting a GPU to mine with ( roughly 3.9-4.2Mhash/sec with GUIMiner )
That's not GPU mining speeds its CPU mining speeds. Check your configuration.

CPU mining is basically not worth it you pay more for the electricity unless your getting it for free.

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May 09, 2013, 01:34:44 PM

Guys, seriously, shut up.

The problem has been reported.  It doesn't need to be reported over and over again.

And the most important point, THIS ISN'T A DEMOCRACY.  Just because a bunch of people want the algorithm changed doesnt mean shit.  Slush will do what he wants to do, and if you don't like it LEAVE.  Don't continually repost the same shit, because it's not going to make any difference at all.

Seriously, the quicker everyone realizes this, the better.

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May 09, 2013, 01:37:57 PM

Has anyone noticed block 17941 was worth 28.55 coins.

(Sorry if that's too much of a newb thing to post and will upset some people)
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May 09, 2013, 01:44:11 PM

Guys, seriously, shut up.

The problem has been reported.  It doesn't need to be reported over and over again.

And the most important point, THIS ISN'T A DEMOCRACY.  Just because a bunch of people want the algorithm changed doesnt mean shit.  Slush will do what he wants to do, and if you don't like it LEAVE.  Don't continually repost the same shit, because it's not going to make any difference at all.

Seriously, the quicker everyone realizes this, the better.

Sir, pool of course is not a democracy but forum is. No one speaks in order to harm the pool, on the contrary we all want it to be consistent and thriving. Just trying to help the pool (and so themselves).

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May 09, 2013, 01:49:09 PM

Has anyone noticed block 17941 was worth 28.55 coins.

(Sorry if that's too much of a newb thing to post and will upset some people)

This is probably due to quite big transactions fees. I Don't know if there is anything else that might make block value larger then 25.

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