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April 30, 2013, 08:34:17 PM
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Nobody from OVH contacted me with any official statement, they even cannot blame for "not giving them enough information". Actually I called them many times and provided them many useful information for "debugging" the issue. So far the official statement from OVH is "not our problems, secure your email better". However, I'll call them tomorrow (again).

Slush, you respond to other peoples posts, but not mine, and not my PM? I'd love to switch back to your pool but you're making it pretty hard.

If the password database is compromised, I would like to change my email and my password. Do I just need to make a new account and lose all of my stats and found block info?

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April 30, 2013, 08:47:46 PM
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Darn - unlucky enough to have missed getting even a single share of that 35 second block....
Grin I got 369 shares into the tiny window thanks to low difficulty shares. Had I used high difficulty, I would have missed it too!

17771    2013-04-30 17:34:45    0:00:35    51130    369    0.17625050    233934    25.21561000    78 confirmations left

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April 30, 2013, 08:54:58 PM
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Darn - unlucky enough to have missed getting even a single share of that 35 second block....
Grin I got 369 shares into the tiny window thanks to low difficulty shares. Had I used high difficulty, I would have missed it too!

17771    2013-04-30 17:34:45    0:00:35    51130    369    0.17625050    233934    25.21561000    78 confirmations left

Yes but you might changed difficulty just a bit up to reduce Slush stratum load... If you got 369 shares in you are sending 10 per second. Way to much... 10 to 100 times too many... And it is a number game. Sometimes you loose sometime you win...

And I must say I would love to have your ASIC just for one block... Two days of work for me...
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April 30, 2013, 08:56:57 PM
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Darn - unlucky enough to have missed getting even a single share of that 35 second block....
Grin I got 369 shares into the tiny window thanks to low difficulty shares. Had I used high difficulty, I would have missed it too!

17771    2013-04-30 17:34:45    0:00:35    51130    369    0.17625050    233934    25.21561000    78 confirmations left

Yes but you might changed difficulty just a bit up to reduce Slush stratum load... If you got 369 shares in you are sending 10 per second. Way to much... 10 to 100 times too many... And it is a number game. Sometimes you loose sometime you win...

Id guess it'd be sensible to change it to 10. Make it one per second, then he's unlikely to lose out! And reduces the load considerably

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April 30, 2013, 09:02:17 PM
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Id guess it'd be sensible to change it to 10. Make it one per second, then he's unlikely to lose out! And reduces the load considerably
Yes but it is a numbers game. I lost out on last short block but got double out of this one... But it is demoralising see 0.00000000 I agree...
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April 30, 2013, 09:06:49 PM
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Id guess it'd be sensible to change it to 10. Make it one per second, then he's unlikely to lose out! And reduces the load considerably
Yes but it is a numbers game. I lost out on last short block but got double out of this one... But it is demoralising see 0.00000000 I agree...

On 369 changing it to 10 would mean one hes still updating every second. So on the 35 second at most he would lost 10 shares.
On the value of a block that high surely its not a massive issue?
End of the day its his choice but i dont think 10 would really cost anything.

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April 30, 2013, 09:36:03 PM
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Darn - unlucky enough to have missed getting even a single share of that 35 second block....
Grin I got 369 shares into the tiny window thanks to low difficulty shares. Had I used high difficulty, I would have missed it too!

17771    2013-04-30 17:34:45    0:00:35    51130    369    0.17625050    233934    25.21561000    78 confirmations left

That's a real bummer for you man I got 0.5 BTC for the 35 second round - if I were you I'd bin your avalon and get a decent asic (I'll take it off your hands for a few btc if you are desparate for the coins)...

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Did I say 0.5 BTC - meant 0.005...

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April 30, 2013, 10:24:20 PM
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Huh, my lowly 1.6 GH/s was able to submit 13 shares.  That means you are only doing a measly 45 GH/s, and you call yourself an ASIC user?
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April 30, 2013, 11:24:13 PM
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OK - I'm really not getting how these blocks are being scored.

For two similar blocks - on this block, I got in 115 shares in 2:18 and got .00032359 for it.

17770   2013-04-30 17:34:10   2:18:03   15697265   115   0.00032359

But on this block, I got in more shares (132) in less time (2:03) and there were fewer total shares, but I got 0.000 ??

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April 30, 2013, 11:57:15 PM
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OK - I'm really not getting how these blocks are being scored.

For two similar blocks - on this block, I got in 115 shares in 2:18 and got .00032359 for it.

17770   2013-04-30 17:34:10   2:18:03   15697265   115   0.00032359

But on this block, I got in more shares (132) in less time (2:03) and there were fewer total shares, but I got 0.000 ??

17774   2013-04-30 20:25:35   2:03:23   14233698   132   0.00000000

17770   2013-04-30 17:34:10   2:18:03   15697265   137406   0.21643078   233933   25.58070000

17774   2013-04-30 20:25:35   2:03:23   14233698   123224   0.21076722   233955   25.34648117

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Yes, how nice for you - you get 20 days of what I mine in each and every single block you mine.

But that doesn't answer my question.  Why, when I'm mining consistently (albeit slowly), did I get zero on block 17774 where I did better than on block 17770, which I did get paid something for?  If this is "variance" then why have I never seen this magnitude of variability when mining in other pools?

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Yes, how nice for you - you get 20 days of what I mine in each and every single block you mine.

But that doesn't answer my question.  Why, when I'm mining consistently (albeit slowly), did I get zero on block 17774 where I did better than on block 17770, which I did get paid something for?  If this is "variance" then why have I never seen this magnitude of variability when mining in other pools?
I don't know if your miner produces logs, but it seems the scoring system will eliminate your shares worth if you get disconnected or take too long to send the next share. (I think) (I am still reading up on the scoring system.)

This may have happened to you.

Another possibility is that your calculated rewards may not have finished processing yet, hence it is all zeros.

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Yes, how nice for you - you get 20 days of what I mine in each and every single block you mine.

But that doesn't answer my question.  Why, when I'm mining consistently (albeit slowly), did I get zero on block 17774 where I did better than on block 17770, which I did get paid something for?  If this is "variance" then why have I never seen this magnitude of variability when mining in other pools?

I got this for the last block:

17775   2013-04-30 23:59:52   3:34:17   24772020   3376   0.00000052   none   233974   25.23872222    98 confirmations left

But I know why. Internet went out at the end... About 10 seconds into the new run I got it back... So you might have something like that at the start of one and end of one...

About the "variance"... Depends on a pool payout system...
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Another possibility is that your calculated rewards may not have finished processing yet, hence it is all zeros.

In that case he wouldn't see shares jet...
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Yes, how nice for you - you get 20 days of what I mine in each and every single block you mine.

But that doesn't answer my question.  Why, when I'm mining consistently (albeit slowly), did I get zero on block 17774 where I did better than on block 17770, which I did get paid something for?  If this is "variance" then why have I never seen this magnitude of variability when mining in other pools?
I don't know if your miner produces logs, but it seems the scoring system will eliminate your shares worth if you get disconnected or take too long to send the next share. (I think) (I am still reading up on the scoring system.)

This may have happened to you.

Another possibility is that your calculated rewards may not have finished processing yet, hence it is all zeros.

I have definitely seen cases where I was doing hardware maintenance and 15s of downtime has resulted in huge penalties from slush.

If you have to restart something, it's probably better to solo mine until the next block starts given the way he penalizes you right now.
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OK - I'm really not getting how these blocks are being scored.

For two similar blocks - on this block, I got in 115 shares in 2:18 and got .00032359 for it.

17770   2013-04-30 17:34:10   2:18:03   15697265   115   0.00032359

But on this block, I got in more shares (132) in less time (2:03) and there were fewer total shares, but I got 0.000 ??

17774   2013-04-30 20:25:35   2:03:23   14233698   132   0.00000000
it's all timing. here is from a CPU miner and 1 share on 2 different blocks ( mine )

#      Block found at           Duration     Total shares    Your shares  Your BTC reward   Block #   Block value
17775  2013-04-30 23:59:52      3:34:17      24772020       1           0.00000369        233974    25.23872222
17774  2013-04-30 20:25:35      2:03:23      14233698       1           0.00000000        233955    25.34648117

I happened to be home to watch as the 2nd share was Near The End of the round ( 80+ in Current shares CDF: )
so, i'll take it and as far as the getting 0E-8 goes, I'm waiting on some 86ooGT cards to hopefully get out of CPU mining and get a higher hash rate.
this is a ' typical ' block for me when sooo many are connected and getting shares.....

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No - there is definitely something wrong here.  I'm not being paid for any blocks anymore

17774   2013-04-30 20:25:35   2:03:23   14233698   132   0.00000000
17775   2013-04-30 23:59:52   3:34:17   24772020   145   0.00000000
17776   2013-05-01 02:25:35   2:25:43   16453036    13   0.00000000

I have moved over to another pool, and I'm not having problems there with zero returns per block, even if my share counts are low.

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No - there is definitely something wrong here.  I'm not being paid for any blocks anymore

17774   2013-04-30 20:25:35   2:03:23   14233698   132   0.00000000
17775   2013-04-30 23:59:52   3:34:17   24772020   145   0.00000000
17776   2013-05-01 02:25:35   2:25:43   16453036    13   0.00000000

I have moved over to another pool, and I'm not having problems there with zero returns per block, even if my share counts are low.

The problem here is that these are fairly long blocks, and the scoring system works in such a way that shares done towards the end count more than at the beginning, but the flip to this is that with slow share submission at the end it could look like you were not sending anything and your score would be decaying faster than you were adding shares.  Even if this was done with the simple calc of (your shares / total shares) * 25 * 0.98, you only be looking at 0.0002.  And and average submission rate of a bit more than 1 share per minute.  While slush's pool is pretty nice for most people, I don't think it is a great solution for such a low hash rate.  You're just getting unlucky with score decay and too steep of a curve at the end.
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No - there is definitely something wrong here.  I'm not being paid for any blocks anymore

17774   2013-04-30 20:25:35   2:03:23   14233698   132   0.00000000
17775   2013-04-30 23:59:52   3:34:17   24772020   145   0.00000000
17776   2013-05-01 02:25:35   2:25:43   16453036    13   0.00000000

I have moved over to another pool, and I'm not having problems there with zero returns per block, even if my share counts are low.

The problem here is that these are fairly long blocks, and the scoring system works in such a way that shares done towards the end count more than at the beginning, but the flip to this is that with slow share submission at the end it could look like you were not sending anything and your score would be decaying faster than you were adding shares.  Even if this was done with the simple calc of (your shares / total shares) * 25 * 0.98, you only be looking at 0.0002.  And and average submission rate of a bit more than 1 share per minute.  While slush's pool is pretty nice for most people, I don't think it is a great solution for such a low hash rate.  You're just getting unlucky with score decay and too steep of a curve at the end.

Hmmm, if this is indeed the case, I would expect it to be fairly straightforward to have the decay rate depend on the average hash rate...? Actually expected this would be the case.

If this isn't easy to do though, I don't think Slush would put a huge effort in for tiny miners.

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May 01, 2013, 04:13:43 AM
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Well, OK.  

Regrettably, it seems that I need to move over to another pool.
  
I can't see much point in cranking away here with my current tiny 184 Mh/s for hours and hours without reward.  From the looks of things after mining on EclipseMC for a few hours, I can still pull down about .016 BTC per day there.

I do have a box coming with a pair of HD7990's which should be here early next week.  That ought to fix up my hash rate at least a little - maybe I'll try back here after I get it going...

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