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May 01, 2013, 07:34:05 AM
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Hi,

just filled in a NMC wallet address yesterday, but so far nothing happened there in my slush account. Are NMC still mined? Or did I do something wrong? Just typed a walled address from my coin exchange - or do I really need the NMC server tool running?

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May 01, 2013, 07:38:52 AM
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May 01, 2013, 07:46:30 AM
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No - there is definitely something wrong here.  I'm not being paid for any blocks anymore

17774   2013-04-30 20:25:35   2:03:23   14233698   132   0.00000000
17775   2013-04-30 23:59:52   3:34:17   24772020   145   0.00000000
17776   2013-05-01 02:25:35   2:25:43   16453036    13   0.00000000

I have moved over to another pool, and I'm not having problems there with zero returns per block, even if my share counts are low.

41  DGM  0 PPS   0.00108057
136 DGM 0 PPS   0.00110942
464 DGM 0 PPS   0.00132832
6    DGM 0 PPS   0.00068256

I also discovered some very low payout on long blocks, and I moved over to other pool

I'm also seeing on average between 5% and 8% lower payment than what it should be (and rarely a 1-2% more than that).

It appears that miners with high GH/s machines are at an advantage here as they always have the very latest shares (which are paid more) than average miners (with just a few hundred MH/s). The average low-MH/s miner probably sends a share every 5-10sec, so even in the ideal case he's always towards the losing end as shares decay exponentially. The only way to get a "fair share" is if YOU are the one that found the block, and then everyone else who sent shares before you is on the losing end.

The main issue is that there is no grace period - like let's say the last 5min where all shares are equal, and then older shares start to decay and be paid less.

I don't know if there is any point in proposing a change in the payout scheme, so here are my 2 cents just in case : (I'll put it in a more descriptive way and not necessarily as a formula)
- Shares in the last X minutes (5-10) are all equal and do not decay (get 100% share value)
- Shares older than that decay until they hit the lower-limit (let's say a share's value should never be less than 25%)
- Very old shares (let's say more than 30min or 1hr) still keep 25% of their value and get some (lower) payment. That way even if you had some connectivity issues or a power outage your effort doesn't go to a complete waste. And we don't have the situation with 0.000000000 being paid.

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May 01, 2013, 08:12:02 AM
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Hi,

just filled in a NMC wallet address yesterday, but so far nothing happened there in my slush account. Are NMC still mined? Or did I do something wrong? Just typed a walled address from my coin exchange - or do I really need the NMC server tool running?

You'll have to wait for it a while. A Namecoin block has to be mined first, and then at the next Bitcoin block mined by our pool you should see some NMC waiting for you.

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May 01, 2013, 09:41:30 AM
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I just checked the Slush stats, and I can't stop wondering why Slush with 8Ths is making dozens of times less nmc blocks than bitminter pool with its 5.8Ths: https://bitminter.com/blocks?commodity=NMCHuh

I think he explained that earlier... 

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Stratum pool don't have support for Namecoin (yet), so around 30% of hashpower isn't mining for Namecoin. Still you should have higher namecoin income than on other pools, because quite a lot people didn't filled NMC address...

I'm considering to drop of NMC support, because this project is basically dead and current merged mining sources are incompatible with latest bitcoin development (no support for merged mining over getblocktemplate etc). There's no project development since merged mining has been introduced in last October...

Thanks for the info  Smiley. I couldn't find that information on the website. Profit wise its better to support nmc, as it gives ~8% extra profit, at no expense. So when pool OP says that he's not going to support something that gives profit, while its a known fact that most pools are barely making any profit to stay competitive, it doesn't make any sense. Anyway, I wish Slush low CDF to make enough btc for a good website UI =).

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May 01, 2013, 09:49:47 AM
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I just checked the Slush stats, and I can't stop wondering why Slush with 8Ths is making dozens of times less nmc blocks than bitminter pool with its 5.8Ths: https://bitminter.com/blocks?commodity=NMCHuh

I think he explained that earlier... 

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Stratum pool don't have support for Namecoin (yet), so around 30% of hashpower isn't mining for Namecoin. Still you should have higher namecoin income than on other pools, because quite a lot people didn't filled NMC address...

I'm considering to drop of NMC support, because this project is basically dead and current merged mining sources are incompatible with latest bitcoin development (no support for merged mining over getblocktemplate etc). There's no project development since merged mining has been introduced in last October...

Thanks for the info  Smiley. I couldn't find that information on the website. Profit wise its better to support nmc, as it gives ~8% extra profit, at no expense. So when pool OP says that he's not going to support something that gives profit, while its a known fact that most pools are barely making any profit to stay competitive, it doesn't make any sense. Anyway, I wish Slush low CDF to make enough btc for a good website UI =).

As far as I know none of the pools have stratum support for NMC... And stratum gives you much less rejected shares so you get more without NMC... So this should be better then mining at getwork and getting NMC.
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May 01, 2013, 09:56:34 AM
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No - there is definitely something wrong here.  I'm not being paid for any blocks anymore

17774   2013-04-30 20:25:35   2:03:23   14233698   132   0.00000000
17775   2013-04-30 23:59:52   3:34:17   24772020   145   0.00000000
17776   2013-05-01 02:25:35   2:25:43   16453036    13   0.00000000

I have moved over to another pool, and I'm not having problems there with zero returns per block, even if my share counts are low.

41  DGM  0 PPS   0.00108057
136 DGM 0 PPS   0.00110942
464 DGM 0 PPS   0.00132832
6    DGM 0 PPS   0.00068256

I also discovered some very low payout on long blocks, and I moved over to other pool

I'm also seeing on average between 5% and 8% lower payment than what it should be (and rarely a 1-2% more than that).

It appears that miners with high GH/s machines are at an advantage here as they always have the very latest shares (which are paid more) than average miners (with just a few hundred MH/s). The average low-MH/s miner probably sends a share every 5-10sec, so even in the ideal case he's always towards the losing end as shares decay exponentially. The only way to get a "fair share" is if YOU are the one that found the block, and then everyone else who sent shares before you is on the losing end.

The main issue is that there is no grace period - like let's say the last 5min where all shares are equal, and then older shares start to decay and be paid less.

I don't know if there is any point in proposing a change in the payout scheme, so here are my 2 cents just in case : (I'll put it in a more descriptive way and not necessarily as a formula)
- Shares in the last X minutes (5-10) are all equal and do not decay (get 100% share value)
- Shares older than that decay until they hit the lower-limit (let's say a share's value should never be less than 25%)
- Very old shares (let's say more than 30min or 1hr) still keep 25% of their value and get some (lower) payment. That way even if you had some connectivity issues or a power outage your effort doesn't go to a complete waste. And we don't have the situation with 0.000000000 being paid.


I suggest you to check how DGM and other rewarding methods work. There are more sophisticated solutions than what you are suggesting. Just read up on the topic. A lot of useful links have been posted here recently, for example this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39497.0

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May 01, 2013, 11:46:49 AM
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As far as I know none of the pools have stratum support for NMC... And stratum gives you much less rejected shares so you get more without NMC... So this should be better then mining at getwork and getting NMC.
Both Bitminter and Bitparking pools offer NMC on stratum.

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May 01, 2013, 12:12:51 PM
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As far as I know none of the pools have stratum support for NMC... And stratum gives you much less rejected shares so you get more without NMC... So this should be better then mining at getwork and getting NMC.
Both Bitminter and Bitparking pools offer NMC on stratum.

Well if this is really the case then I don't get it why Slush didn't reimplement it... I know he believes it is dead but as long as someone is ready to pay for them I do not agree... And there are more coins that could be mined together... As far as I know the number is 8 but I can't remember names. There are p2p pools that are mining them... If we get just 10% extra that would be great...
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May 01, 2013, 01:14:04 PM
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As far as I know none of the pools have stratum support for NMC... And stratum gives you much less rejected shares so you get more without NMC... So this should be better then mining at getwork and getting NMC.
Both Bitminter and Bitparking pools offer NMC on stratum.

Well if this is really the case then I don't get it why Slush didn't reimplement it... I know he believes it is dead but as long as someone is ready to pay for them I do not agree... And there are more coins that could be mined together... As far as I know the number is 8 but I can't remember names. There are p2p pools that are mining them... If we get just 10% extra that would be great...
I don't get it either, but it has been mentioned in this thread several times now and even if it wasn't I'm sure slush is well aware of it. If he doesn't want / have the time to implement it, there's not much we can do. It's his pool after all.

A list of merged mineable coins is here: http://dustcoin.com/mining  Bitparking pool has them all.

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May 01, 2013, 02:13:47 PM
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Block 17788 isn't showing on my stats page, anyone else noticing this?

EDIT: being fixed as we speak...

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May 01, 2013, 02:28:47 PM
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Block 17788 isn't showing on my stats page, anyone else noticing this?

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listed as processing on mine, just showed up within last two minutes or so

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May 01, 2013, 02:31:33 PM
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Block 17788 isn't showing on my stats page, anyone else noticing this?

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listed as processing on mine, just showed up within last two minutes or so


Now my shares reset for this round to 0 Cry (I guess it doesn't really matter too much if everyone's did)

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May 01, 2013, 02:39:16 PM
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Block 17788 isn't showing on my stats page, anyone else noticing this?

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listed as processing on mine, just showed up within last two minutes or so


Now my shares reset for this round to 0 Cry (I guess it doesn't really matter too much if everyone's did)

K.
I have also noticed the time and percentage are way outta wack.

Winter is coming.

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May 01, 2013, 02:52:19 PM
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I have also noticed the time and percentage are way outta wack.

Winter is coming.

My speed is also down... And I don't see enough shares...
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May 01, 2013, 03:33:45 PM
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When the missing block was added, it reset the round half way through, the last round was split in two (shares and speeds where affected, but reward should be about right). That's why it's showing as 17790 instead of 17789.

Winter is coming.

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May 01, 2013, 03:38:09 PM
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Winter is coming.

And with it... The Others (nmc & ltc miners).

Edit, sorry.  NMC miners are The Others, ltc miners are White Walkers.  I know, I know way too much about SoI&F

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May 01, 2013, 03:42:07 PM
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Winter is coming.

And with it... The Others (nmc & ltc miners).

Edit, sorry.  NMC miners are The Others, ltc miners are White Walkers.  I know, I know way too much about SoI&F

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May 01, 2013, 05:43:18 PM
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Hey slush!

Any change you can add the Your Shares data to this api when a specific api key is provided:

https://mining.bitcoin.cz/stats/json/

Would appreciate it but i know you are busy.

Also..  want to make a pitch (again) about merged mining nmc, dvcm ixc under stratum.  I know they may be dead coins to some, but they still can be converted to btc - at least nmc - because the conversion to btc rate is enough to make it noticable when the btc rates are as high as they are..

Would a bribe of a few btc help make it reality maybe???

Thanks!
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May 01, 2013, 06:29:27 PM
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Slush's pool is relatively popular. I'm a small miner, two 16 Mhash workers and one 6 Mhash worker, so i contemplate what being small means, how i am impacted. There are 5Ghash miners coming into existance now. there will be a time where they will reap huge shares until the difficulty adjusts to compensate for them. we had a 32 sec block? either great luck or a fast hasher.

once the difficulty adjusts, Mhashers will obviously become the slow guys, equivalent to the current CPU miners. But, considering the slow deliverys on the Ghash machines it will be sometime before the difficulty adjusts totally in their favor, probably 3-6 months.

The point is that with the fast machines coming into being we are going to see more and more blocks where we've been excluded from the payout or got a really small portion. But, the alternative is not mining. sure you could go to another pool where there is less competion for the share. But, small pools will have less of a chance of finding a block in the first place.

Maybe Slush needs to add more zeroes to the right of the decimal so we feel like we aren't mining for nothing. Or, we just accept that there will be some 0BTC blocks for us little guys. Personally, I like Slush's pool will hang in there. Someday there will be reasonable delivery times on Ghash machines and i'll be able to get some and claw my way back up to the level of the playing field. In the mean time anything that i get is better than not mining. I'm enjoying mining as a hobby, hobbies are rarely profitable.

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