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May 09, 2013, 05:04:39 PM
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Man slush is never gonna come back...

(at least i wouldn't if i were him)

Well the other day there were 30 blocks discovered.
30 blocks at 2% = 15 BTC
15 BTC roughly = $1700

$1700 dollars a day would make me sort it out!
There's nothing to sort out.  All these complaints about rewards are either a result of variance on slow miners, or bad luck with the designed score reset.  There are no real problems.  Everything is working the way it's designed.

Which is why nothing is getting sorted out.

When there is a real problem, slush will make an appearance.

So did Slush ask you to speak for him?  Just curious.

I would like something more official, like an actual comment from Slush about block 17925.  I have been following this thread for many dozens of pages and I have seen Slush come on here and say a block was miscalculated and see it adjusted.  I don't think "working as designed" describes a block where many people got about 1/10,000 of the estimated reward while others got 10-15 times more than the estimated reward.  That sounds like a problem.

Full time mining removes the probability factor over time so that it does not resemble playing the lottery.  Block 17925 looks exactly like playing the lottery.  It appears to be an anomaly based on what I have seen over time but nevertheless it indicates a problem.  If Slush says that problem doesn't exist or he doesn't want to address it that is one thing (and allows me to make an informed decision about where I want to mine) but if random interwebs guy says it (i.e. you) that means jack.

Finally I would point out to those with the browner of noses that this is a partnership.  No miners, no pool; no Slush no pool.  We all profit together or we all have no pool together.  It is in Slush's interests to keep his miners happy because that keeps the pool making profit for all.  This is not about us all simply benefitting from Slush's generosity.  I paid money to build my miners and I contribute actual computing power (such as it is) to the work of finding blocks.  Blocks don't just arrive in the mail and then get divided up by some benevolent pool owner.

Having said that I want to see a more or less reliable profit over time, which is the entire point of mining in a pool.  If I want to play the lottery I'll take up solo mining.

@not.you: +1 you voiced it out perfectly! totally my feelings. Cheers!

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May 09, 2013, 05:40:03 PM
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A whole bunch of stuff...

Oh boy...

Nope, I'm not speaking for slush.

And that block in question was processed exactly how the system was designed.  It was said in a previous post that the score was reset right before the block was found which caused a higher variance in the scores through the pool.  So yeah, it was unlucky for alot of people, and lucky for a lot of people.  There are a lot of people that aren't happy about it, but that's the way it works.

Bitcoin in general is a high risk venture, kind of like playing the lottery.  And it's been said before that Slush's score method causes increased variance.  So by design, things like that are going to happen.  The point is that it balances out in the long run.  If you had a clear understanding of all the factors involved, you would care a whole lot less about that one block.  And for what it's worth, my reward was a lot smaller than normal too, but it happens.  I've had plenty of blocks that were higher than normal, but you don't see people complaining about that.

And it's great that you want an official response, you expect more from your pool operator right?  It's a symbiotic relationship, one can't exist without the other.  So if all these complaints don't get addressed everyone will leave and slush will be left in the dust right? Wrong.  All these complaints are coming from .1% of the miners on the pool who are new to the system, new to the pool, or expect a full service mining pool.

Slush takes care of his miners like no other pool operator out there.    Bottom line is the problem has been addressed plenty of times.  If slush is going to respond, he's going to respond when he's ready.  Continually posting about it does nothing but clutter the board and make it harder to isolate legitimate problems.

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May 09, 2013, 06:04:42 PM
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I have problems with this block. It is impossible that I have this reward from these shares:

17925    2013-05-08 14:13:44    1:27:14    11634278    157    0.00000004    235160    25.21733124    confirmed

No, it's not impossible. You have a low hashrate on a very long round.



This is not an argument. I can tell again the same thing (mine) and we can continue al the month in this way. Others in forum write the contrary. Why I don't believe them? Can you ARGUMENT me the results?

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May 09, 2013, 06:17:01 PM
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17925 is near the end of the list and will soon slip out ... will you all still keep talking about it?

And no, i am not from those who benefit from it and i also got 10k less than expected, but please go to irc and make #round_17925 channel if you still want to scratch your tongue or fingers

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May 09, 2013, 06:40:26 PM
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I have problems with this block. It is impossible that I have this reward from these shares:

17925    2013-05-08 14:13:44    1:27:14    11634278    157    0.00000004    235160    25.21733124    confirmed

No, it's not impossible. You have a low hashrate on a very long round.



This is not an argument. I can tell again the same thing (mine) and we can continue al the month in this way. Others in forum write the contrary. Why I don't believe them? Can you ARGUMENT me the results?

Do you have a log of the round for when the round started and when the shares were found? If so you can work it out  using the formula in this post
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg50002#msg50002

and organofcorti is right the main reason for the low payout is the long round and the weighting share system. The sharp increase in difficulty makes cpu/single slow GPU mining basically finished.
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May 09, 2013, 07:03:29 PM
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I have problems with this block. It is impossible that I have this reward from these shares:

17925    2013-05-08 14:13:44    1:27:14    11634278    157    0.00000004    235160    25.21733124    confirmed

No, it's not impossible. You have a low hashrate on a very long round.



This is not an argument. I can tell again the same thing (mine) and we can continue al the month in this way. Others in forum write the contrary. Why I don't believe them? Can you ARGUMENT me the results?

Do you have a log of the round for when the round started and when the shares were found? If so you can work it out  using the formula in this post
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg50002#msg50002

and organofcorti is right the main reason for the low payout is the long round and the weighting share system. The sharp increase in difficulty makes cpu/single slow GPU mining basically finished.

with slow miners PPS (Pay Per Share) pools probably the best

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May 09, 2013, 07:06:38 PM
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I have problems with this block. It is impossible that I have this reward from these shares:

17925    2013-05-08 14:13:44    1:27:14    11634278    157    0.00000004    235160    25.21733124    confirmed

No, it's not impossible. You have a low hashrate on a very long round.



This is not an argument. I can tell again the same thing (mine) and we can continue al the month in this way. Others in forum write the contrary. Why I don't believe them? Can you ARGUMENT me the results?

Do you have a log of the round for when the round started and when the shares were found? If so you can work it out  using the formula in this post
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg50002#msg50002

and organofcorti is right the main reason for the low payout is the long round and the weighting share system. The sharp increase in difficulty makes cpu/single slow GPU mining basically finished.

I'm not able to do this but your answer is a good answer. At least to "close my mouth". I can't tell nothing more if I'm not able to verify what you have written. But if anyone in forum can do this please go ahead. If needed my help in giving various data please tell me what you need.

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May 09, 2013, 07:13:47 PM
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I have problems with this block. It is impossible that I have this reward from these shares:

17925    2013-05-08 14:13:44    1:27:14    11634278    157    0.00000004    235160    25.21733124    confirmed

No, it's not impossible. You have a low hashrate on a very long round.



Look at the round. It is the one.
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May 09, 2013, 07:36:20 PM
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There's nothing to sort out.  All these complaints about rewards are either a result of variance on slow miners, or bad luck with the designed score reset.  There are no real problems.  Everything is working the way it's designed.

Which is why nothing is getting sorted out.

When there is a real problem, slush will make an appearance.
If that would be the only glitch I saw last days OK. But this is not a case. I'm seeing missing shares(log from cgminer), jumping from stratum to stratum2, stratum3, api, backup pool(log and shares on backup pool)... And I don't see it fixed. Because of some random errors I got less on about 7 to 9 blocks now. Others have problem connecting... I think that Slush took a holiday without internet or something happened to him and pool is degrading without maintenance. So yes it is a problem... Slush didn't make a appearance over a week. This is not normal for him.

EDIT: and even if you are right that this is how it should work, why did Slush fixed this in a past?
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May 09, 2013, 07:37:05 PM
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Nope, you're wrong.

"Stealing" is when you take something for your own benefit. It would've been the case if Slush took those BTC for himself.

He didn't.

Those BTC got paid to a number of random people.

There was some (programming/internet/database/you name it) error that happened.

If there is anything wrong it would be that Slush isn't monitoring his pool on a daily basis to spot and correct issues like that. On the other hand though, he has never promised such thing either.

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May 09, 2013, 08:03:16 PM
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bit harsh init...

according to google translate:

"это в какой интересно узнать"

means

"it is interesting to know what"

I thought that was quite philosophical...

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May 09, 2013, 08:16:15 PM
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For a different perspective: Slush has a pool fee of 2%. At 9Thps that's the equivalent of 180Ghps which, at today's exchange rate, works out to Slush getting $1000/day from pool fees. For $1000/day it is not unreasonable for users to expect a certain level of service.

Now, if users feel they are getting value for their pool fee, they stay; if they feel they are not, they find a better pool and leave. It really is no more complex than that. One needs to look no further than Deepbit for a recent example of this; once the largest of all the pools, it is now just a mere shadow of its former self.

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May 09, 2013, 08:25:08 PM
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For a different perspective: Slush has a pool fee of 2%. At 9Thps that's the equivalent of 180Ghps which, at today's exchange rate, works out to Slush getting $1000/day from pool fees. For $1000/day it is not unreasonable for users to expect a certain level of service.

Now, if users feel they are getting value for their pool fee, they stay; if they feel they are not getting adequate value, they find a better pool and leave. It really is no more complex than that. One needs to look no further than Deepbit for a recent example of this; once the largest of all the pools, it is now just a mere shadow of its former self.

Thank you!  Simple enough, stay or go!

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May 09, 2013, 08:48:05 PM
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For a different perspective: Slush has a pool fee of 2%. At 9Thps that's the equivalent of 180Ghps which, at today's exchange rate, works out to Slush getting $1000/day from pool fees. For $1000/day it is not unreasonable for users to expect a certain level of service.

Now, if users feel they are getting value for their pool fee, they stay; if they feel they are not, they find a better pool and leave. It really is no more complex than that. One needs to look no further than Deepbit for a recent example of this; once the largest of all the pools, it is now just a mere shadow of its former self.



Given his prompt response to the hack And putting in the hours at some ungodly time of day/night for more than 1 day AND making sure people didn't lose out because of it is what i would call Quality of service. Im new here, but that response has convinced me to stay put. 
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From what I have seen in my (nearly) 2 years here Slush has always provided great service.

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I see that Slushs keeps in 9.5 Ghps from a lot of time. Others pools (as bitminter where i´m moving due razonable fees on getwork), are growing fast. In fact, the named pool grows from 7.5Ghps to 13Ghps in 15 days or less.

This means that some miners are in disagree with slushs services, due some strange calculations, or punisher reward system, and don´t keep here, or move his fast miners to more fairly reward system.

It's mi opinion.

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I see that Slushs keeps in 9.5 Ghps from a lot of time. Others pools (as bitminter where i´m moving due razonable fees on getwork), are growing fast. In fact, the named pool grows from 7.5Ghps to 13Ghps in 15 days or less.

This means that some miners are in disagree with slushs services, due some strange calculations, or punisher reward system, and don´t keep here, or move his fast miners to more fairly reward system.

It's mi opinion.
Your observations about bitminter are correct; your conclusions are not.

Bitminter went from 7thps to 13tphs over the past 2 weeks because of 1 thing: ASICMiner has moved miners from BTCGuild (can you guess the reason?) to bitminter. ASICminer is running under a single user and has 6thps on bitminter right now; almost half the total pool hashrate.

That 6thps from ASICMiner is what brought bitminter up from 7 to 13 now; it has nothing to do with people migrating from slush.

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May 09, 2013, 09:35:06 PM
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I just moved to bitminter, because i feel like i am missing out on profit from nmc, if slush adds nmc, ill be back.
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May 09, 2013, 10:37:47 PM
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I just moved to bitminter, because i feel like i am missing out on profit from nmc, if slush adds nmc, ill be back.

Traitor Smiley - I would be interested to know how you get on mining in the nether regions - please keep us slushies up to date with the differences you find laughingbear...

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