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November 13, 2013, 10:08:05 PM
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I wanted to come back to bitminter. But after mining for 20~ hours with 200 GH/s I'm only seeing 0.05BTC. Was it just a bad few rounds? Even with bad rounds, I never had it this bad at slush.
I like how people like you think omg this sucks when your averaging what, $20 a day and people like me with small ops are doin what, $0.50 - $1 a day.

??
So I'm not supposed to wonder why I'm under performing just because of other people didn't put out for the hardware?

That doesn't make a lot of sense.

...

When I see people with KNC Jupiters who are having issues, I don't sit there and go "wow, why aren't you just happy with what you have?"

I didn't read him as saying that - just that he was marveling at the difference in scope.

"I like how people like you think..."
Read as a pretty negative connotation to me.
Besides, if you normally average $50-100 per day and suddenly you only averaged $20 without any explicable reason, wouldn't you question it too?
Keeping that in mind, yes I'd wonder but really, what can you or Doc really do about it ?

It'd be like me goin to the store wondering why milk all of a sudden if $0.50 more expensive, sure I'd be curious why it went up but at the same ime I'd just be like w/e and buy it because I need it knowing that there's nothing I can really do about it except o to a farm and milk a cow or free.

Edit: If anything, I wish I had $2,500 to go out and get 20 fury's right now to start hasing 45Gh/s

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November 13, 2013, 10:24:29 PM
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I wanted to come back to bitminter. But after mining for 20~ hours with 200 GH/s I'm only seeing 0.05BTC. Was it just a bad few rounds? Even with bad rounds, I never had it this bad at slush.
I like how people like you think omg this sucks when your averaging what, $20 a day and people like me with small ops are doin what, $0.50 - $1 a day.

??
So I'm not supposed to wonder why I'm under performing just because of other people didn't put out for the hardware?

That doesn't make a lot of sense.

...

When I see people with KNC Jupiters who are having issues, I don't sit there and go "wow, why aren't you just happy with what you have?"

I didn't read him as saying that - just that he was marveling at the difference in scope.

"I like how people like you think..."
Read as a pretty negative connotation to me.
Besides, if you normally average $50-100 per day and suddenly you only averaged $20 without any explicable reason, wouldn't you question it too?
Keeping that in mind, yes I'd wonder but really, what can you or Doc really do about it ?

It'd be like me goin to the store wondering why milk all of a sudden if $0.50 more expensive, sure I'd be curious why it went up but at the same ime I'd just be like w/e and buy it because I need it knowing that there's nothing I can really do about it except o to a farm and milk a cow or free.

Edit: If anything, I wish I had $2,500 to go out and get 20 fury's right now to start hasing 45Gh/s

Well you see - there is something I can do about it. Switch back to another pool instead of Bitminter. The point of me complaining was to maybe see if someone knew what the issue was - and whether or not I could do something about it. Because if I switch pools, I shouldn't be missing $25/day in profit, potentially more, without a logical reason. Which I was hoping was an error on my part somewhere, but it appears not to be.

I don't want to switch back, and was looking for support. But it looks like I have no choice but to switch back unless I want to purposely be loosing out on BTC.

I'm not one for donations but if you must go ahead and I will keep you in mind. =)
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November 13, 2013, 10:34:59 PM
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Besides, if you normally average $50-100 per day and suddenly you only averaged $20 without any explicable reason, wouldn't you question it too?

That's the thing though.

The reason is quite explicable if you had cared to do even 5 minutes of research.

Instead, armed with zero knowledge, you opted to make a petulant post, informing us all that you wouldn't be sticking around because "you've never had it this bad at Slush."   Cheesy

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November 13, 2013, 10:40:29 PM
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Besides, if you normally average $50-100 per day and suddenly you only averaged $20 without any explicable reason, wouldn't you question it too?

That's the thing though.

The reason is quite explicable if you had cared to do even 5 minutes of research.

Instead, armed with zero knowledge, you opted to make a petulant post, informing us all that you wouldn't be sticking around because "you've never had it this bad at Slush."   Cheesy

But I have stuck around? And would like to?
If I had no intention of sticking around, I wouldn't have bothered commenting to begin with, and still wouldnt be. What sense does that make?
Doc had answered my question and I would've stuck around longer, but after this fantastic welcome back party I understand.
Slush was the one having terrible luck lately. Yet, I was mining better there (even with long blocks) rather than the relatively shorter blocks here. Thats all I was trying to figure out. Sans insults. But we're too petty for that it seems. Smiley emoticons and all Cheesy

Perhaps it wasn't worth the time after all. I wont bother further then.

I'm not one for donations but if you must go ahead and I will keep you in mind. =)
http://payb.tc/omeganemesis28
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November 13, 2013, 10:54:36 PM
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Let's calm down, guys. This is nothing to fight over. OmegaNemesis28, if you give the pool a few days I'm sure you will like it. I'll be happy to answer any questions you have.

If you mined only the last 24 hours then the payout looks bad because of the combination of bad luck right now (variance) and a 10 hour delay between doing work and getting paid.

Over 7000 people mine at Bitminter every day. They wouldn't do that if we paid out less than 50% of other pools.

There is some info on the payouts here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=27062.msg2769824#msg2769824
If you really want to understand it then look through Organofcorti's analysis: http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2013/05/131-bitminter-and-luck.html

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November 13, 2013, 11:28:02 PM
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It all comes down to gamblers luck, but I get where ur comin from.

Edit: Im not doin too bad, this is over 24hrs with 3 333 sticks.

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November 13, 2013, 11:38:35 PM
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Edit: Im not doin too bad, this is over 24hrs with 3 333 sticks.

That's a lot of sticks.  Cheesy

Sorry, couldn't help it.

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November 13, 2013, 11:40:18 PM
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Edit: Im not doin too bad, this is over 24hrs with 3 333 sticks.

That's a lot of sticks.  Cheesy

Sorry, couldn't help it.


Yeah, I think he should switch pools!  Grin  With that many sticks, he should be making WAY more!!!  Wink
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November 13, 2013, 11:42:08 PM
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Edit: Im not doin too bad, this is over 24hrs with 3 333 sticks.

That's a lot of sticks.  Cheesy

Sorry, couldn't help it.


Yeah, I think he should switch pools!  Grin  With that many sticks, he should be making WAY more!!!  Wink
I see where the humor comes from and I couldnt help but giggle myself but god dman, if I had 3,333 sticks... Id be like look at this bitches lol

If I caan et hooked up with n old deal I was offered 2 days ago, I'll have a full set of 20 for the 20 port hub I got comin.

Still though, I think I'm doin ok for the 3 sticks runnin ight now.

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November 14, 2013, 12:18:26 AM
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Besides, if you normally average $50-100 per day and suddenly you only averaged $20 without any explicable reason, wouldn't you question it too?

That's the thing though.

The reason is quite explicable if you had cared to do even 5 minutes of research.

Instead, armed with zero knowledge, you opted to make a petulant post, informing us all that you wouldn't be sticking around because "you've never had it this bad at Slush."   Cheesy

But I have stuck around? And would like to?
If I had no intention of sticking around, I wouldn't have bothered commenting to begin with, and still wouldnt be. What sense does that make?
Doc had answered my question and I would've stuck around longer, but after this fantastic welcome back party I understand.
Slush was the one having terrible luck lately. Yet, I was mining better there (even with long blocks) rather than the relatively shorter blocks here. Thats all I was trying to figure out. Sans insults. But we're too petty for that it seems. Smiley emoticons and all Cheesy

Perhaps it wasn't worth the time after all. I wont bother further then.

My friend I was polite.  I explained what caused your issue.  So if you want you can stay s  or not.     While henchman24 and I have knocked heads a few times he is correct that you not acknowledging  why your score is low during the first 20 hours.

  BTW if you  leave the pool will pay your for the first 10 hours you are gone.  So what ever you do I wish you luck in your life and much happiness.

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November 14, 2013, 05:17:28 AM
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20 hours really isn't enough time to test out a pool nowadays. I know that my account page shows my expected per block btc amount. Assuming an average of 10 blocks per 24 hours and my current hashrate, it is almost perfectly accurate. It just takes time to see it since the payouts are very much lagging the work done.
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November 14, 2013, 05:21:35 AM
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"you've never had it this bad at Slush."   Cheesy

My favorite part is this accompanies a lot of pool comparison posts.  Apparently because slush's stats are so bland/basic, people don't quite realize when the luck is bad there.  Meanwhile I seem to recall plenty of bitching about 20+ hour blocks at Slush within the last 2-4 weeks.  But apparently it's "never that bad at Slush".

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November 14, 2013, 08:43:23 AM
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I wish I could continue to mine on Bitminter.  My best guess is that my ISP blocked access (or ports) to Bitminter and BTCGuild and I have no choice but to mine on Eligius over port 3334.

Seeing posts about lousy payouts at Bitminter really hurts.  Bitminter has been very good in the long term for mining.

Just wanna say, I never had it "so good when I could mine on Bitminter".

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Blockchain.info has wrongly identified a block at height 269542 as coming from Bitminter. Some miners are already asking about this. It does not go to an address we control and there is no "BitMinter" text in the coinbase.

The block is not from Bitminter and I have no idea what makes blockchain.info think so. Perhaps it was relayed through one of our bitcoin nodes. Note that blockchain.info is very unreliable for identifying who made a block, and as a result their estimates of the hashrates of each pool is also very unreliable.

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Does this work in ubuntu ?
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Does this work in ubuntu ?

The Bitminter client works in Ubuntu, yes. Or you can use any other mining client with the Bitminter pool.

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November 14, 2013, 02:27:46 PM
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Besides, if you normally average $50-100 per day and suddenly you only averaged $20 without any explicable reason, wouldn't you question it too?

That's the thing though.

The reason is quite explicable if you had cared to do even 5 minutes of research.

Instead, armed with zero knowledge, you opted to make a petulant post, informing us all that you wouldn't be sticking around because "you've never had it this bad at Slush."   Cheesy



Virus In Numeris => do the math!

Figure out how many shares you are submitting (you can verify this).
Figure out the hash rate of your pool (you can't really verify this, but you can check if it seems consistent and believable).
Figure out how many blocks your pool is generating, and which ones.  (You can verify this with sites like blockchain.info)
Figure out how PPLNS works (I am betting this is where most people fall over.)

This is how you can verify your mining income is what you are supposed to be getting.

I am sorry if you don't want to do the math.  You will forever be at the mercy of others in your life, financially speaking, whether you use Bitcoin or not.  I'm thinking of the old Cosby Show episode where Bill Cosby claims his son will be broke since he doesn't know math -> the son explains he'll be fine because he'll have an accountant; the father asks if the son will be able to verify the accountant's math, and when then son answers know, he says "Then you'll be broke."

Bitcoin is all about math.  It is not a crime to choose to remain ignorant of math, but in the Bitcoin world it comes off looking as very out of place.

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November 14, 2013, 02:28:14 PM
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Hey Doc, I don' remember if it was on your site or somewhere else but it was linked in this post once. Anyone got thaat link to the difficulty page that shows when the next increase is due ?

Speaking of which, just how accurae is it in relatio to the next beincrease ?

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Walter Rothbard
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November 14, 2013, 02:29:56 PM
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If you really want to understand it then look through Organofcorti's analysis: http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2013/05/131-bitminter-and-luck.html

And there's where the rest of us fall over on the math! Smiley  Seriously, organofcorti is absolutely the man when it comes to statistical analysis.

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November 14, 2013, 02:34:40 PM
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Blockchain.info has wrongly identified a block at height 269542 as coming from Bitminter. Some miners are already asking about this. It does not go to an address we control and there is no "BitMinter" text in the coinbase.

The block is not from Bitminter and I have no idea what makes blockchain.info think so. Perhaps it was relayed through one of our bitcoin nodes. Note that blockchain.info is very unreliable for identifying who made a block, and as a result their estimates of the hashrates of each pool is also very unreliable.


I stand corrected (I just posted to the contrary, before reading this).

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