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November 06, 2013, 02:28:27 PM
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Pool hopping seems to be mostly dead now. It was based on switching pool when you could tell in advance that payouts were going to be low in your current pool. It worked very well with pools using the proportional reward model, and somewhat less effectively with Slush's score based model. The point is that you can tell in advance with those reward models when low payouts are coming.

With PPLNS you can't tell in advance what future payouts will be. Trying to pool hop based on payouts from the past does not work. Thinking past luck influences future luck is called gambler's fallacy. It does not work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy

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November 06, 2013, 02:34:24 PM
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Pool hopping seems to be mostly dead now. It was based on switching pool when you could tell in advance that payouts were going to be low in your current pool. It worked very well with pools using the proportional reward model, and somewhat less effectively with Slush's score based model. The point is that you can tell in advance with those reward models when low payouts are coming.

With PPLNS you can't tell in advance what future payouts will be. Trying to pool hop based on payouts from the past does not work. Thinking past luck influences future luck is called gambler's fallacy. It does not work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy

From what I can tell, usin your model... the best way to increas payouts is to as Tim Allen says, get More Power !

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November 06, 2013, 02:43:23 PM
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Thinking past luck influences future luck is called gambler's fallacy. It does not work.

Yes, just like believing luck influences mining earnings. Over a long enough time period it statistically evens out. Fees and reliability are what influences earnings and Bitminter a great pool for both. That's why I stay here through the occasional "bad" day. Actually the best advice is not to look at the blocks page, set an auto payout and forget about it.


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November 06, 2013, 03:13:32 PM
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I finally setup 3x 49 port hubs each one has about 40 -42 sticks .

Edit  I setup the 3 rigs on one pc to make an effort to see the max sticks on a pc running bitminter

Doc H wanted to know if I had come across the problem of really high cpu use with a lot of sticks  I told him no but I had never run more then 113 sticks. I was not going to buy a third 49 port hub but I wanted to help doc h out. since he was concerned that he may have a program bug. so I spent 1.82btc to run a super test for doc h and bitminter since I choose to support the doc and his pool. so this was on topic with extra info (2 shots of the hubs not 1 and a shot of power used)

 Note to Henchman24 I pulled 2 of the photos to accommodate your request for size reduction.  Please accept my apologies for going over the top on the photos.

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I found out that when I exceeded 125 sticks cpu use went nuts and the 125th stick read endless errors.   not sure if the pc or bitminter software is the issue.  windows 7 has a 127  usb device  limit for 1 controller.  this pc has a 5 port pcie usb card with a second controller  so I should be able to go to 240 sticks or even 250.  So when I got past the 127 device limit the cpu went nuts and the last stick added com284 just read endless errors.  in the photo below it is at  6000 and change and counting up really fast





I pulled the stick out and have been running the 3 hubs with 122 sticks at 40.6 gh dead stable for a day.

3 hubs 3 extra psu's
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everything uses 483 watts



when you figure the value of the heat ( weather is cold in NJ, USA)  My net power  drops from .16 cents to .10 cents a k watt.

  So today I sold a coin for 260 at coinbase.

  So at 511 mill diff  for the next ten days  this will earn .4btc  worth 104 usd power used will be 11.57  net gain will be 92.34 usd.


 if diff jumps to  664 mill  the setup would do  .33 btc worth 88 usd minus 11.57 power = 76.43 usd.

even at 2 bill it would earn money  about  1.50 usd a day

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November 06, 2013, 03:59:13 PM
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Very nice Phillip.  I almost wanted to buy the 1.75btc kit with the hub and 50 erupters for the fun of it but its sold out now.  The pics are great!
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November 06, 2013, 04:08:50 PM
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Speaking of your stick issue, I would be usin gan rPi, how many sticks do you think I could used on a model b 512mb rPi ?

I was thinking of 32, usin two of those 20 port hubs we talked about. Four ports on each hub would be used for fans in the 4 corners leaving 16 slots each hub for 32 in all and roughly 10.6Ghs until I saved the apital for bitfurys which would then put me at 70.Ghs assuming each bitfury runs at 2.2. Either way it'd be a lon damn while before I even got to that poin considering best case scenario they go or $100 a piece which would total 3.2g's for all of them lol.

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November 06, 2013, 04:19:13 PM
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Speaking of your stick issue, I would be usin gan rPi, how many sticks do you think I could used on a model b 512mb rPi ?

I was thinking of 32, usin two of those 20 port hubs we talked about. Four ports on each hub would be used for fans in the 4 corners leaving 16 slots each hub for 32 in all and roughly 10.6Ghs until I saved the apital for bitfurys which would then put me at 70.Ghs assuming each bitfury runs at 2.2. Either way it'd be a lon damn while before I even got to that poin considering best case scenario they go or $100 a piece which would total 3.2g's for all of them lol.

Not sure but 32 sounds possible. as for the blue/red fury super sticks wait for them as of yesterday  lots of issues running them

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November 06, 2013, 04:30:17 PM
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Speaking of your stick issue, I would be usin gan rPi, how many sticks do you think I could used on a model b 512mb rPi ?

I was thinking of 32, usin two of those 20 port hubs we talked about. Four ports on each hub would be used for fans in the 4 corners leaving 16 slots each hub for 32 in all and roughly 10.6Ghs until I saved the apital for bitfurys which would then put me at 70.Ghs assuming each bitfury runs at 2.2. Either way it'd be a lon damn while before I even got to that poin considering best case scenario they go or $100 a piece which would total 3.2g's for all of them lol.

Not sure but 32 sounds possible. as for the blue/red fury super sticks wait for them as of yesterday  lots of issues running them
I'd like to think 32 is possible with the rPi bein powered under it's own 1500ma wall outlet and then the upgraded bricks you mentioned for the hubs. As for the fury's, like I said, even if I got em now I would need $3,200 I don't have and that's assuming best case pricing of $100 each which is why I plan on sticking with the regular 333 asics for a while. Even if some would say it's pointless, who cares, with the setup in mind it would work for me given suspected power cpnsumption compared to those who run full hog on their computers which would run 3-4 times the power I would.

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November 06, 2013, 05:36:57 PM
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I found out that when I exceeded 125 sticks cpu use went nuts and the 125th stick read endless errors.   not sure if the pc or bitminter software is the issue.  windows 7 has a 127  usb device  limit for 1 controller.  this pc has a 5 port pcie usb card with a second controller  so I should be able to go to 240 sticks or even 250.  So when I got past the 127 device limit the cpu went nuts and the last stick added com284 just read endless errors.  in the photo below it is at  6000 and change and counting up really fast

USB does use CPU interrupts though, it's not DMA, so possibility of too many devices doing something odd. I would however suspect that external bus speed is more to do with it than CPU ooomph in this day and age, so possibly that could be something to look at.

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I finally setup 3x 49 port hubs each one has about 40 -42 sticks

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Why are you shitting up the BitMinter pool thread with this off-topic bullshit? 

FFS!  This is not the place for it, you attention-starved dimwit!!  Keep your huge fucking pictures in the "Pictures of your Rig" thread, idiot.
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I finally setup 3x 49 port hubs each one has about 40 -42 sticks

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Why are you shitting up the BitMinter pool thread with this off-topic bullshit? 

FFS!  This is not the place for it, you attention-starved dimwit!!  Keep your huge fucking pictures in the "Pictures of your Rig" thread, idiot.
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November 06, 2013, 08:30:58 PM
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I finally setup 3x 49 port hubs each one has about 40 -42 sticks

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Why are you shitting up the BitMinter pool thread with this off-topic bullshit?  

FFS!  This is not the place for it, you attention-starved dimwit!!  Keep your huge fucking pictures in the "Pictures of your Rig" thread, idiot.

While I agree that that post was somewhat off-topic, your language and stance, Henchman24, is not socially acceptable. Please be so kind as to use a more moderated form of language in your future posts. In general, be friendlier.  Wink

philipma1957, you are welcome to move your post to my topic discussing all the hub/USB related stuff: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=253749.0 (It is also mentioned there that RPi has a 49-device limit).

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November 06, 2013, 08:35:58 PM
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(It is also mentioned there that RPi has a 49-device limit).
That works out perfect for me since I plan on 32 usin two 20 port hubs with 4 fans each. I would try a 49 port hub bu no easy way to wall mount where as the 20 port hubs I got my eye on are easily mounted.

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November 06, 2013, 08:53:58 PM
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I found out that when I exceeded 125 sticks cpu use went nuts and the 125th stick read endless errors.   not sure if the pc or bitminter software is the issue.  windows 7 has a 127  usb device  limit for 1 controller.  this pc has a 5 port pcie usb card with a second controller  so I should be able to go to 240 sticks or even 250.  So when I got past the 127 device limit the cpu went nuts and the last stick added com284 just read endless errors.  in the photo below it is at  6000 and change and counting up really fast

USB does use CPU interrupts though, it's not DMA, so possibility of too many devices doing something odd. I would however suspect that external bus speed is more to do with it than CPU ooomph in this day and age, so possibly that could be something to look at.

   I will tell you what. I will remove the photo of the power used and I will remove 1 of the photos of the 3 rigs. But as for off topic the sticks run on bitminter and I am have pm's with long discussions of cpu use issue when a lot of sticks are used on one device while running bit minter so the shots that show the cpu jump and the triple hub setup will stay.

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November 06, 2013, 08:54:37 PM
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I finally setup 3x 49 port hubs each one has about 40 -42 sticks

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Why are you shitting up the BitMinter pool thread with this off-topic bullshit?  

FFS!  This is not the place for it, you attention-starved dimwit!!  Keep your huge fucking pictures in the "Pictures of your Rig" thread, idiot.

While I agree that that post was somewhat off-topic, your language and stance, Henchman24, is not socially acceptable. Please be so kind as to use a more moderated form of language in your future posts. In general, be friendlier.  Wink

philipma1957, you are welcome to move your post to my topic discussing all the hub/USB related stuff: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=253749.0 (It is also mentioned there that RPi has a 49-device limit).

you are polite and I thank you.

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November 06, 2013, 08:59:55 PM
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Take it easy, this is supposed to be the civilized part of the forum.

Good to have a discussion on hubs. I wish those selling USB mining sticks would inform the buyers better about how to run multiple sticks. I'm getting a ton of support requests. I'm asking some of them to ask their questions here because I have no hands-on experience with the issue myself.

By the way, I can't reply to those who mistype their email address or use an anti-spam service that require me to type in things I don't know. If you didn't get a reply then try again and make sure you avoid those two issues.

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November 06, 2013, 09:14:58 PM
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Take it easy, this is supposed to be the civilized part of the forum.

Good to have a discussion on hubs. I wish those selling USB mining sticks would inform the buyers better about how to run multiple sticks. I'm getting a ton of support requests. I'm asking some of them to ask their questions here because I have no hands-on experience with the issue myself.

By the way, I can't reply to those who mistype their email address or use an anti-spam service that require me to type in things I don't know. If you didn't get a reply then try again and make sure you avoid those two issues.


thanks doc.  henchman24 had a point about too many photos so there are now 3 not 5.

btw any luck on getting the red/blue fury beta program working.  I get the same errors as the other posters on multiple machines and multiple hubs

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November 06, 2013, 09:45:21 PM
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btw any luck on getting the red/blue fury beta program working.  I get the same errors as the other posters on multiple machines and multiple hubs

Strangely my fury device runs perfectly on both my windows 7 and os x maverick machines. Haven't tried on Linux yet.

I'm not sure what the problem is.

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November 06, 2013, 09:54:18 PM
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DrHaribo, somewhere recently I thought I saw you post a link to the top miners on bitminter - but I can't find this link anywhere from the bitminter website.  Would you mind sharing it again?

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DrHaribo, somewhere recently I thought I saw you post a link to the top miners on bitminter - but I can't find this link anywhere from the bitminter website.  Would you mind sharing it again?

https://bitminter.com/livestats/big

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