Merit & new rank requirements

[guybrushthreepwood]

So only new users don't have any merit points and have to earn them? Pre-existing members are fine? If I send merit points will they come off my current 500?

-Merit (Dislike) is necessary too.

This would be a good idea to give to people making very poor posts or threads.

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[Quickfant]

This will prevent spamming and account farming as it would take way too long for someone to rank up their accounts and too much effort. I think we'll see a lof of worthy changes and a lot of accounts being left to rot now.

The only problem I see with this system is hoarding merit points and the same people over and over getting points. It would probably be beneficial if someone put a post up on what to merit people for and what not too.

[therhslv]

Really like the new idea about merit , that would really lower the Multi account farming . Would be really nice to see who gave you merit aswell , what do you think guys ?

[Samarkand]

Really like the new idea about merit , that would really lower the Multi account farming . Would be really nice to see who gave you merit aswell , what do you think guys ?

You can already do this. Just click the following link while
you are logged into your Bitcointalk account:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit

[tevez_86]

I fully understand and appreciate the concept of the Merit system.

But i also think that it's going to hinder the genuine people that post in threads that will not get merited because people either don't want to merit or they just cannot be bothered to use the system like that. which then in turn will take them an age to rank up.

would it not be more beneficial to add like/dislike buttons or potentially a up/down voting buttons that can then rank members up or down?

[by rallier]

What about rank up?
If user ranked up, do he take a new sendable merit?

up?

[LoyceV]

Sorry for my bad English, not native speaker.
The system itself is great, but I didn't got something about realisation:
each 30 days will be distributed up to 8125 merit (proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg28863043#msg28863043 ) including 0.5 decreasing progression it gives us 8125x2=16250 max merit, actually little less.

The number of users who are "Merit sources" is likely to grow in the future.

Every member needs something about 14 merit for period, something about 30 merit in month. It gives us 16250/30=542 members who can get amount of merit they need. That's really low number: there is more than 15K of Full Members for example. Even if only 10% of them are active, that's 1500+ accounts, 3 times more the system can support. And this is Full Members only.

Users will have to compete for Merit points, and only the best posts get to earn them. That's not a bad thing, the majority of all users has a very low post quality, partially caused by account farmers who create many accounts.
It is a good think that not all of them can become Full Member anymore.

[prehisto]

There are also ways to farm Merit Points so the Mods/Merit Sources have to be careful, here is just a scenario:
You create 10 accounts, then you start spamming with all 10.
You report all the spams accounts you created from your main account and there you have Merit points for reporting spammer.
There always be someone trying to cheat the system unfortunately, so Admins and Mods have to be aware of this.

Did I miss something, Is there Merit reward for reporting spam posts?

[stompix]

I fully understand and appreciate the concept of the Merit system.

But i also think that it's going to hinder the genuine people that post in threads that will not get merited because people either don't want to merit or they just cannot be bothered to use the system like that. which then in turn will take them an age to rank up.

No, it is not going to do that.
If the user reading your post doesn't feel like clicking two times to give you a merit point it simply means your post is not worth it.

would it not be more beneficial to add like/dislike buttons or potentially a up/down voting buttons that can then rank members up or down?

Unlimited votes and newbie accounts having the power to vote would just lead to abuse.
We don't have enough moderators to fight spam, who is going to control all the votes?

So only new users don't have any merit points and have to earn them? Pre-existing members are fine? If I send merit points will they come off my current 500?

I think Lutpin has explained this at least one hundred times

You have Merits, those you cannot send.
You also have sMerits, those you can only send, they have no other purpose.

When someone gives Merit to you they lose sMerit of the amount transfered and you gain Merit as well as sMerit (which in case you can send again).

Example: Should I send 10 Merit to you for a post, my sMerit would decrease by 10.
Your Merit would increase by 10 and your sMerit would increase by 5.


Merits are exclusively earned, but the sMerit part you also get keeps the circulation flowing.

(Ignoring merit sources here, for the sake of making an easy example.)

[Guber4]

Concept is good, but I don't know if it will work. It will be a hard task in this forum.
Those negative positive trust points were not used many times.

[QuestionAuthority]

You report all the spams accounts you created from your main account and there you have Merit points for reporting spammer.

Merit points are awarded for good posts, not for valid reports to moderators.
The problem is non-existent as the reward is non-existent. You didn't understand how the system works.
Read the OP again.

Hey dude, what’s a Copper Member and more importantly what’s a:

[A1exander]

Did I miss something, Is there Merit reward for reporting spam posts?

No. Merit points are for good posts only.

[Foxpup]

There are also ways to farm Merit Points so the Mods/Merit Sources have to be careful, here is just a scenario:
You create 10 accounts, then you start spamming with all 10.
You report all the spams accounts you created from your main account and there you have Merit points for reporting spammer.
There always be someone trying to cheat the system unfortunately, so Admins and Mods have to be aware of this.

Did I miss something, Is there Merit reward for reporting spam posts?

No, you do not earn merit by reporting bad posts. Just another sig spammer posting bullshit on topics they know nothing about - exactly the sort of thing this new system will hopefully discourage.

[boyptc]

Nice work theymos, I was redirected here by Lutpin. Maybe you can also post this update on the news tab at the top of forum page?

What about rank up?
If user ranked up, do he take a new sendable merit?

Base on what I read there's no addition of Smerit when he ranks up, Lutpin explained it very well as quoted by stompix too.

You have Merits, those you cannot send.
You also have sMerits, those you can only send, they have no other purpose.

When someone gives Merit to you they lose sMerit of the amount transfered and you gain Merit as well as sMerit (which in case you can send again).

Example: Should I send 10 Merit to you for a post, my sMerit would decrease by 10.
Your Merit would increase by 10 and your sMerit would increase by 5.


Merits are exclusively earned, but the sMerit part you also get keeps the circulation flowing.

(Ignoring merit sources here, for the sake of making an easy example.)

[Lassie]

There are also ways to farm Merit Points so the Mods/Merit Sources have to be careful, here is just a scenario:
You create 10 accounts, then you start spamming with all 10.
You report all the spams accounts you created from your main account and there you have Merit points for reporting spammer.
There always be someone trying to cheat the system unfortunately, so Admins and Mods have to be aware of this.

Where did you get that information? I didn't read anything about earning merit points by reporting some posts to moderator but if that is true then your given scenario will likely happen in the coming days

[masteraccountcreator]

Just noticed I got 10 merit points showing up on my profile and search google for answer

[kenzawak]

So basically ,you're just making sure that members with low ranks keep their low ranks so you don't get less stakes during bounty campaigns ?

It's also good for those who wanna sell accounts ,right ?

If what you want is better posts ,just get rid of gimmick accounts ,delete useless posts...get more mods .

 

I haven't read the whole thread but I'm pretty sure I'm saying what everybody here thinks but is afraid to say .

[emile12]

it's a good idea , but first it will be good to have an easy procedure to recover old account and add the 2FA secrity iption

many people here are reopening new account because of the lockof their old account and have difficulty to rank again

[ccsang]

I'm excited that finally bitcointalk add new features , actually I'll more excited if they add more security feature to protect our account ,  as I know that it's need Activity + Merit to rank up , actually I just need 2 activity and next wednesday I'll rank up to Sr Member , so sad now because it's look like fresh Full member and start earn again 150 Merit to rank up .... anyway I still like this feature to reduce account farming (no more newbie because of hard to rank up)

By the away , I just found that a thread start trading Merit in my local board (Chinese) , 1 Merit = 10 CNY and chat with QQ

Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2819627.0

[OmegaStarScream]

So basically ,you're just making sure that members with low ranks keep their low ranks so you don't get less stakes during bounty campaigns ?

It's also good for those who wanna sell accounts ,rights ?

If what you want is better posts ,just get rid of gimmick accounts ,delete useless posts...get more mods .

 

I haven't read the whole thread but I'm pretty sure I'm saying what everybody here thinks but is afraid to say .

It's a lost battle, no matter how much mods you hire, you can't keep up with the spam. A mod will clearly not check every thread post by post, It's also worth mentioning that users don't even do their part for reporting spam. This has nothing to do with less stakes, I'm pretty sure theymos never participated in these bounty campaigns. The value of accounts may increase but spammers gonna spam and will eventually get banned, as for those who are high quality posts then there is no need to buy an account in the first place, right?