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April 07, 2018, 07:33:37 PM
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I like this system, though I'd like it more if merit could decrease with shitty posts. There are lots of people on this forum just shilling, fudding & fomoing which needs to stop.
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April 08, 2018, 04:01:02 AM
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Are you sure these merit points are not mythical?
They've eluded me so far, despite my efforts to only post quality responses and posts.
0 for 65 is an indication that this system doesn't work or isn't fair.
At this rate I haven't even got a reference point to gauge my activities. It appears that I would have to do at least another 650 posts minimum to evolve from a Jr Member to Member with no guarantee that I will even achieve it then.
Doesn't it all seem a bit dodgey and like a sure road to disgruntledness and desertion of the forum by those who have tried their guts out.
I for one will be pointing out the unfairness and imbalances in the system to every Admin and Bounty Campaign manager.
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April 08, 2018, 04:12:03 AM
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Are you sure these merit points are not mythical?
They've eluded me so far, despite my efforts to only post quality responses and posts.
0 for 65 is an indication that this system doesn't work or isn't fair.
At this rate I haven't even got a reference point to gauge my activities. It appears that I would have to do at least another 650 posts minimum to evolve from a Jr Member to Member with no guarantee that I will even achieve it then.
Doesn't it all seem a bit dodgey and like a sure road to disgruntledness and desertion of the forum by those who have tried their guts out.
I for one will be pointing out the unfairness and imbalances in the system to every Admin and Bounty Campaign manager.

Keep posting in altcoins (tokens/bounties et al.) and off-topic sections then asks why you didn't receive any smerit, is a legitimate question in my distorted opinion.

 
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April 08, 2018, 04:42:00 AM
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0 for 65 is an indication that this system doesn't work or isn't fair.
You've made 65 posts in 4 months since you registered, which isn't a lot.  I tried viewing your posts, but apparently I've got all the sections where you post on ignore, so my guess is that you're posting in mega spam threads that no one reads.  If you keep doing that, it's a guarantee that you'll never earn merit--and your English is pretty good.  So stop hanging around with the mouth-breathers who only know how to write garbage.

The merit rate is low, though.  That part is true.  What's your hurry to rank up?  You can read and write just fine on bitcointalk, regardless of rank.  If you are getting "discouraged" because you haven't earned merit, you're probably here for the paycheck and aren't going to get any sympathy.

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April 08, 2018, 05:20:29 AM
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I see many quality post here but didn't have a merit. As I can say the problem will be the members who are not participating the purpose of the merit system
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April 08, 2018, 05:44:42 AM
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All of the members could still rank up they just have to prove that they are worth it,
They just have to prove that they aren't one of those spammer's who are just spamming nonsense in this forum.
And I think if their comment,thread or post is really informative or helpful there would be a forum member that would surely give them a merit.
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April 08, 2018, 05:48:49 AM
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I see many quality post here but didn't have a merit. As I can say the problem will be the members who are not participating the purpose of the merit system

??...Does this mean you wanted to Merit some of the "many" quality posts here??

All of the members could still rank up they just have to prove that they are worth it,
They just have to prove that they aren't one of those spammer's who are just spamming nonsense in this forum.

Such as yourself with 2 posts in a row mostly spouting non sense. I really have to stop opening these threads

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And I think if their comment,thread or post is really informative or helpful there would be a forum member that would surely give them a merit.

That is the central idea behind the system, probably stated 30-50  200-300 times in this thread before you did.

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April 08, 2018, 06:11:14 AM
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I am open to any point of view, but i am not open to any kind of harsh and rude word and attitude. You can deny other opinion politely, no need to bring any anger or rude word.

What I try to do is not pay too much attention to the way the message is delivered and focus on the content. Even if an argument is presented in a harsh way, if it makes sense then it's worth considering. I agree this may be difficult, especially in face-to-face conversations, in written communication it can be managed more easily I guess.

Well every person is different is true enough i guess. I can not do that while the person who is talking to me told me to "go fukkin die" in a thread which i made, even if that happens in a written communication.
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April 08, 2018, 06:25:36 AM
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I don't even look at how much merit i have or don't have. I have never posted to simply gain rank either and never will. If you post only to get merit or further your rank than you need to re-evaluate yourself because it's a waste of your time.  Why would you roll like that in the 1st place? The rank has no difference, newbie can still post and read everything i can and jr member (which you don't even need merit or anything much to attain) can enter most bounty campaigns so what is the big deal with merit? Business as usual if you ask me. I use bitcointalk to gain trading knowledge and learn about new coins and events in the crypto world. Why is it that humans always form social hierarchies with ranks and levels anyhow, and than the masses want to conform to these systems?




There are always two sides to a story; while you may not need the merit to rank up, others do. Because the information or data gotten from the higher ranks ought to be authoritative in their assertions.

Else, before now, if as a newbie you depend on ranks to guide your investment choices and trading strategies, you might be in for a long-term loss:

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"...I use bitcointalk to gain trading knowledge and learn about new coins and events in the crypto world."

But the ranking system can help sift through the pile of junk comments and remarks, and while ranking up is a compensation, it does well for the future newbies, crypto stakeholders and the forum for credibility.

But you are right, hierarchy is always a problem as long as people want to beat the system, but a system without one is chaotic and disorderly - and that's human nature by default.
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April 08, 2018, 08:26:55 AM
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I don't even look at how much merit i have or don't have. I have never posted to simply gain rank either and never will. If you post only to get merit or further your rank than you need to re-evaluate yourself because it's a waste of your time.  Why would you roll like that in the 1st place? The rank has no difference, newbie can still post and read everything i can and jr member (which you don't even need merit or anything much to attain) can enter most bounty campaigns so what is the big deal with merit? Business as usual if you ask me. I use bitcointalk to gain trading knowledge and learn about new coins and events in the crypto world. Why is it that humans always form social hierarchies with ranks and levels anyhow, and than the masses want to conform to these systems?




There are always two sides to a story; while you may not need the merit to rank up, others do. Because the information or data gotten from the higher ranks ought to be authoritative in their assertions.

Else, before now, if as a newbie you depend on ranks to guide your investment choices and trading strategies, you might be in for a long-term loss:

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"...I use bitcointalk to gain trading knowledge and learn about new coins and events in the crypto world."

But the ranking system can help sift through the pile of junk comments and remarks, and while ranking up is a compensation, it does well for the future newbies, crypto stakeholders and the forum for credibility.

But you are right, hierarchy is always a problem as long as people want to beat the system, but a system without one is chaotic and disorderly - and that's human nature by default.

The merit system exists now for more than a couple of months. Does it has improved the quality of posting? Quality is again subjective term.  There are merit giveaway mushroom-like crazy. Was that primary aim of the merit system. 

I am on bitcointalk to understand what community think about future of the blockchain.  Still, the forum is helpful in that aspect and I will be using that help and not worrying about merit ....
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April 08, 2018, 11:57:40 AM
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With the "montly reset" for merit sources we had more sMerit last week but sadly we are always -11.14% from 1st week of March, lets see this week results to know if merit is slowly dying



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April 08, 2018, 11:58:00 AM
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0 for 65 is an indication that this system doesn't work or isn't fair.
You've made 65 posts in 4 months since you registered, which isn't a lot.  I tried viewing your posts, but apparently I've got all the sections where you post on ignore, so my guess is that you're posting in mega spam threads that no one reads.
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FWIW, most of his posts are to the Tokens subforum under Altcoins. I'm probably much more interested in altcoins than you, and even I don't bother with the tokens and ICOs on account the vast majority of them are scams.
 

I see many quality post here but didn't have a merit. As I can say the problem will be the members who are not participating the purpose of the merit system

??...Does this mean you wanted to Merit some of the "many" quality posts here??

Lol, I was going to write the same thing right before putting him on ignore. @tsoyens01 is clearly fishing for merit by repeatedly posting to Meta, but didn't get the memo that shitposting here will just get him added to the ignore list of the very people most able to give him merit. Looking at his post history only cements my decision to ignore him as just and good.


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April 08, 2018, 12:57:45 PM
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Is my English so bad? Or Am I antipathic guy Sad

In some of your posts your English is perfect but unfortunately, that's because you are a plagiarist.

http://archive.is/ZAZ68

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https://www.ccn.com/ford-wins-patent-for-cryptocurrency-fueled-vehicle-technology/


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April 08, 2018, 01:53:15 PM
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Do merits regenerate through time?
Only if you are a merit source.

Or only merit sources can make them?
Every merit source has a quote of free sMerits that are refilled every 30 days.

The smerits we have at the beginning won't regenerate after it is over?
That's true.

Only we will get 1/2 from merits we received right?
Yes. You get 0.5 sMerits for every merit you receive. That's the only way to get more sMerits if you are not a merit source.

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April 08, 2018, 02:55:44 PM
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Merit can get from people, but only if their views and the person are the same and they see fit!

Admin has mentioned in OP that you should not give merit to  a person just because you agree to his post.


Here are some of the facts to consider while giving merits:

1) It should be based on how much useful that post is for the forum.

2) If someone has responded to query of a user in very less time, it should be given preference while giving merits. 
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April 08, 2018, 03:10:46 PM
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Merit can get from people, but only if their views and the person are the same and they see fit!

Admin has mentioned in OP that you should not give merit to  a person just because you agree to his post.


Here are some of the facts to consider while giving merits:

1) It should be based on how much useful that post is for the forum.

2) If someone has responded to query of a user in very less time, it should be given preference while giving merits. 

Actually, he very clearly did not say that.

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

'I encourage' is not telling people what they should or shouldn't do. It is just a pointer as to what he would prefer. In the end, the decision belongs to the individual as to how they spend their sMerit.

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Is my English so bad? Or Am I antipathic guy Sad

In some of your posts your English is perfect but unfortunately, that's because you are a plagiarist.

http://archive.is/ZAZ68

Original:

https://www.ccn.com/ford-wins-patent-for-cryptocurrency-fueled-vehicle-technology/



Boom, just in a blink of an eye, an attempt to get merit turned into a chance to be banned. Plagiarism is bad thing to do even if it just in the internet.

Wonder if he is banned already. By the way, how do you check plagiarism things @TheQuin??
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April 08, 2018, 06:14:55 PM
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Is my English so bad? Or Am I antipathic guy Sad

In some of your posts your English is perfect but unfortunately, that's because you are a plagiarist.

http://archive.is/ZAZ68

Original:

https://www.ccn.com/ford-wins-patent-for-cryptocurrency-fueled-vehicle-technology/



Boom, just in a blink of an eye, an attempt to get merit turned into a chance to be banned. Plagiarism is bad thing to do even if it just in the internet.

Wonder if he is banned already. By the way, how to check plagiarism things @TheQuin??
Basically stuffs when using Internet. Please use Google search for finding original sources (if available) and discover plagiarists. Very easy, don't?
I don't think you should ask such basic question!

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April 08, 2018, 07:05:26 PM
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@tuanytcc

I know how to deal with it, but sometimes i searched and i didnt find anything, thats why i asked the question, maybe @TheQuin have another trick how to do it which i dont know.

If you want to teach people, just teach bro, no need to add some word like "i dont think you should ask such basic question" to make yourself greater than others.
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April 08, 2018, 10:42:33 PM
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In addition to activity, everyone now has a merit score, and you need both a certain activity level and a certain merit score in order to reach higher member ranks. The required scores are:

RankRequired activityRequired merit
Brand new00
Newbie10
Jr Member300
Member6010
Full Member120100
Sr. Member240250
Hero Member480500
LegendaryRandom in the range 775-10301000

You get merit points when someone sends you some for one of your posts. Additionally, when someone sends you merit points, half of those points can be sent by you to other people.

Certain users are designated as "merit sources". They can create new merit out of nothing, up to a limited number per month (which differs per source). I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention.

There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

Do not beg for merit excessively.

Useful infographics

Forum users have helpfully created some infographics to explain the merit system:
paxmao's infographic
ibminer's infographic
8Habits's infographic
JetSet11's infographic
zentdex's infographic
alia_armelle's infographic

If you want to be a merit source:

 1. Be a somewhat established member.
 2. Collect TEN posts written in the last couple of months by other people that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread. The point of this is to demonstrate your ability to give out merit usefully.
 3. We will take a look at your history and maybe make you a source.

I am especially eager to have merit sources in sub-communities such as the local sections.

Trivia:

For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank. Of that, a certain amount (less than the usual half) is spendable. The spendable amount was calculated based on your current rank and the number of activity points you earned in the last year. A Legendary member who hasn't posted in the last year would still be Legendary, but would not have any spendable merit.

If someone sends you 1 merit, the 0.5 sMerit is not wasted; it is just not shown until you get another merit point.

There are stats here, and you can find someone's merit summary by clicking the "merit" link on their profile.
The merits system has rook effect a couple of months ago and i think it's been useful.  I hope everyone will take this seriously and all..

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