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August 21, 2018, 08:42:20 PM
 #4961

Merit is a failed system, for a Hero member (500 merit) to become a Legendary member (1000 merit), we need to acquire the equivalent of one top-10 merited users ever on BTT. It's impossible for those who have no recognition among the top 50-100 elite on Bitcointalk. The only way to acquire this sum is to do it in a non-legitimate and unintended manner. As time passes, the entire system will come to a halt, due to the unreasonable replenishment rates and the lack of user-understanding of how the system functions.  

If the intention was not to immortalize and make the Legendary rank unobtainable, you're better off reviewing Hero accounts that want to become legendary (like myself).  

There is only one way for any ordinary person to get legendary (via VIP) legitimately: Buy your rank from BTT by donating 10 BTC.

What's the difference between Hero and Legendary that makes this such a big deal? Sure Legendary is not easy to earn but it was already a gimmick/novelty rank even before merits, given the random activity and (as far as I know) no extra forum privileges or shitposting earnings compared to Hero.

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August 21, 2018, 09:22:16 PM
 #4962

Unfortunately, that won't happen overnight. I don't know if you do it already, but you can help clean up the forum by clicking "Report to moderator" on bad posts. Get them deleted or banned!
The problem is, the ratio in which spam is created exponentially takes over the spam being deleted. We need to limit that ratio. More moderators must be assigned to handle reports instantly. At times my reports take too much time to be handled even for obvious spam posts.

Long term, I'm hoping you too would appreciate a cleaner forum with higher post quality.
*Higher post quality in the important boards like Development & Technical Discussions/ Bitcoin Discussions/ Project Development. Right now, what we call as "High-Quality Posters" can't afford to post outside of Meta/Reputation sections.



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August 22, 2018, 04:03:59 AM
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*Higher post quality in the important boards like Development & Technical Discussions/ Bitcoin Discussions/ Project Development. Right now, what we call as "High-Quality Posters" can't afford to post outside of Meta/Reputation sections.

I was wondering for a long time that was I the only one have that concept about "quality" in mind. According to my observation, most of the merits are given in Meta board. Those merit-received posts only meet "constructive" criteria and I don't see many really "high quality" ones. Sometimes, to match the "constructive" criteria, people deliberately lengthen posts & topics. This confuses their readers.

I'm not a regular visitor of Development & Technical or Project Development and I think either are merit sources. Btw, Bitcoin Discussion is becoming as trashy as Altcoin Discussion so we shouldn't expect from it. Serious Discussion should be instead.
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August 22, 2018, 05:58:37 AM
 #4964

I wish there would have been some sort of option of giving dislike (-ve merit) to the spam/LQ posts and if any post receives certain -ve merits/dislikes,it should be automatically deleted /hidden

I don't think negative merit will be nice here again since the system is already using negative trust to reduce spam and scam like posting, but if a - veMerit can be made to deduct someone's earned merit or remain -veMerit until the person earns +veMerit to balance the - ve then it will be OK.
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August 22, 2018, 06:20:56 AM
 #4965

In addition to activity, everyone now has a merit score, and you need both a certain activity level and a certain merit score in order to reach higher member ranks. The required scores are:

RankRequired activityRequired merit
Brand new00
Newbie10
Jr Member300
Member6010
Full Member120100
Sr. Member240250
Hero Member480500
LegendaryRandom in the range 775-10301000

You get merit points when someone sends you some for one of your posts. Additionally, when someone sends you merit points, half of those points can be sent by you to other people.

Certain users are designated as "merit sources". They can create new merit out of nothing, up to a limited number per month (which differs per source). I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention.

There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

Do not beg for merit excessively.

Useful infographics

Forum users have helpfully created some infographics to explain the merit system:
paxmao's infographic
ibminer's infographic
8Habits's infographic
JetSet11's infographic
zentdex's infographic
alia_armelle's infographic

If you want to be a merit source:

 1. Be a somewhat established member.
 2. Collect TEN posts written in the last couple of months by other people that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread. The point of this is to demonstrate your ability to give out merit usefully.
 3. We will take a look at your history and maybe make you a source.

I am especially eager to have merit sources in sub-communities such as the local sections.

Trivia:

For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank. Of that, a certain amount (less than the usual half) is spendable. The spendable amount was calculated based on your current rank and the number of activity points you earned in the last year. A Legendary member who hasn't posted in the last year would still be Legendary, but would not have any spendable merit.

If someone sends you 1 merit, the 0.5 sMerit is not wasted; it is just not shown until you get another merit point.

There are stats here, and you can find someone's merit summary by clicking the "merit" link on their profile.

I've been thinking about this, I didn't really want to make a new thread about it, but commenting on a post already discussing about merit in detail is fine

The merit system introduced into the forum is good and lovely and my thoughts is there could be a time where merit would translate to a BTT token and could be withdrawable as crypto coin, and if that happens then those that thought that writing just a spam post on the forum is good would then start struggling to earn token or buy with their BTC.

This is crypto community and a top one at that... Just my thoughts though, I may be wrong.

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August 22, 2018, 10:47:19 AM
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I am in the brink time of making my way to a full member when the Merit is introduced, yet now i am a Senior Member. Look on how i post and my made topic, or look to some of top merit receiver, and compare it to your post. Learn from that and i believe you can rank up even in this sytem. You dont need to look on your friend's account and remembering your chance to be a Senior Member in the old system. Move on !

This isn't a video-game, this is forum.

What TryNinja has been saying is true, if you really think this is a forum, then why the hell rank is matters with you? Last time I checked, this is the definition of a forum
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a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

You can do what the definition says, without being a Legendary rank or Hero Rank.


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August 22, 2018, 11:18:32 AM
 #4967

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I am in the brink time of making my way to a full member when the Merit is introduced, yet now i am a Senior Member. Look on how i post and my made topic, or look to some of top merit receiver, and compare it to your post. Learn from that and i believe you can rank up even in this sytem.
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It is great that you managed to rank up since the introduction
of the merit system. However, I´m not sure if this is really a viable
recommendation for Branko´s problem.

Just take a look at the merit that you have received in the last 120 days:
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August 16, 2018, 05:05:34 AM: 1 from vphasitha01 for Re: Disable delete option from merited post.
July 02, 2018, 04:54:20 AM: 1 from Silent26 for Re: Done with this forum
June 25, 2018, 10:10:00 AM: 1 from xIIImaL for Re: [FANCHAIN] by SportsCastr 🔥Signature campaign🔥Earn up to $115/week for posting
May 17, 2018, 02:43:56 PM: 1 from zentdex for Re: Merit & new rank requirements
May 17, 2018, 11:57:54 AM: 1 from zentdex for Re: 100 Days of Merit
May 14, 2018, 03:39:54 AM: 1 from Foxpup for Re: Merit & new rank requirements

May 13, 2018, 05:10:46 AM: 1 from vendy86 for Lets Break The QuestionAuthority NOW !!!
May 11, 2018, 06:01:13 PM: 1 from DdmrDdmr for Re: All About Merit.
May 09, 2018, 05:18:06 PM: 1 from TMAN for (Deleted/Off-limits/Ignored)
May 07, 2018, 06:31:23 PM: 1 from Lazada for Another "Thanks Merit For This Rank Up" Thread
May 05, 2018, 02:31:35 AM: 1 from Nellayar for Another "Thanks Merit For This Rank Up" Thread
May 04, 2018, 12:52:19 PM: 2 from TMAN for Another "Thanks Merit For This Rank Up" Thread
April 28, 2018, 06:00:43 PM: 2 from suchmoon for Another "Thanks Merit For This Rank Up" Thread
April 27, 2018, 04:44:56 PM: 1 from Indohunter for Another "Thanks Merit For This Rank Up" Thread
April 27, 2018, 04:27:37 PM: 1 from Husna QA for Another "Thanks Merit For This Rank Up" Thread
April 27, 2018, 10:24:32 AM: 1 from numanoid for Another "Thanks Merit For This Rank Up" Thread
April 26, 2018, 07:44:12 PM: 3 from DdmrDdmr for Another "Thanks Merit For This Rank Up" Thread

April 26, 2018, 06:29:46 PM: 1 from JayJuanGee for Re: Merit & new rank requirements

I have bolded every merit that was awarded for a post that was somehow related to the
merit system or its ramifications.

Does anyone notice a pattern here?!

To sum up, you have earned exactly a single merit for a post that was not somehow related to the
merit system in the last 4 months. And you, athanz88, are definitely one of the better posters on Bitcointalk.
If this is the result of 4 months of posting activity for a good poster, then the merit system is
definitely an utter failure   not working as intended.

We don´t really need Branko (or any other user) to start making tons of posts in the Meta subforum
just for the purpose of gaining merit in order to rank up. It is a well-known fact that
merits are awarded quite freely in the Meta subforum. It is much harder to earn merit in other parts of the forum,
which is kind of sad. This leads to hilarious results like the fact that a user like TMAN, who constantly
berates newbies in the Meta subforum, has earned more merit than
guys like gmaxwell, HeRetiK or DannyHamilton.

One of the possible solutions to improve the merit system would be the complete
removal of the ability to award or receive merit in the Meta subforum at all.
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August 22, 2018, 11:24:51 AM
 #4968

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I am in the brink time of making my way to a full member when the Merit is introduced, yet now i am a Senior Member. Look on how i post and my made topic, or look to some of top merit receiver, and compare it to your post. Learn from that and i believe you can rank up even in this sytem.
...

It is great that you managed to rank up since the introduction
of the merit system. However, I´m not sure if this is really a viable
recommendation for Branko´s problem.

Just take a look at the merit that you have received in the last 120 days:
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August 16, 2018, 05:05:34 AM: 1 from vphasitha01 for Re: Disable delete option from merited post.
July 02, 2018, 04:54:20 AM: 1 from Silent26 for Re: Done with this forum
June 25, 2018, 10:10:00 AM: 1 from xIIImaL for Re: [FANCHAIN] by SportsCastr 🔥Signature campaign🔥Earn up to $115/week for posting
May 17, 2018, 02:43:56 PM: 1 from zentdex for Re: Merit & new rank requirements
May 17, 2018, 11:57:54 AM: 1 from zentdex for Re: 100 Days of Merit
May 14, 2018, 03:39:54 AM: 1 from Foxpup for Re: Merit & new rank requirements

May 13, 2018, 05:10:46 AM: 1 from vendy86 for Lets Break The QuestionAuthority NOW !!!
May 11, 2018, 06:01:13 PM: 1 from DdmrDdmr for Re: All About Merit.
May 09, 2018, 05:18:06 PM: 1 from TMAN for (Deleted/Off-limits/Ignored)
May 07, 2018, 06:31:23 PM: 1 from Lazada for Another "Thanks Merit For This Rank Up" Thread
May 05, 2018, 02:31:35 AM: 1 from Nellayar for Another "Thanks Merit For This Rank Up" Thread
May 04, 2018, 12:52:19 PM: 2 from TMAN for Another "Thanks Merit For This Rank Up" Thread
April 28, 2018, 06:00:43 PM: 2 from suchmoon for Another "Thanks Merit For This Rank Up" Thread
April 27, 2018, 04:44:56 PM: 1 from Indohunter for Another "Thanks Merit For This Rank Up" Thread
April 27, 2018, 04:27:37 PM: 1 from Husna QA for Another "Thanks Merit For This Rank Up" Thread
April 27, 2018, 10:24:32 AM: 1 from numanoid for Another "Thanks Merit For This Rank Up" Thread
April 26, 2018, 07:44:12 PM: 3 from DdmrDdmr for Another "Thanks Merit For This Rank Up" Thread

April 26, 2018, 06:29:46 PM: 1 from JayJuanGee for Re: Merit & new rank requirements

I have bolded every merit that was awarded for a post that was somehow related to the
merit system or its ramifications.

Does anyone notice a pattern here?!

To sum up, you have earned exactly a single merit for a post that was not somehow related to the
merit system in the last 4 months. And you, athanz88, are definitely one of the better posters on Bitcointalk.
If this is the result of 4 months of posting activity for a good poster, then the merit system is
definitely an utter failure   not working as intended.

We don´t really need Branko (or any other user) to start making tons of posts in the Meta subforum
just for the purpose of gaining merit in order to rank up. It is a well-known fact that
merits are awarded quite freely in the Meta subforum. It is much harder to earn merit in other parts of the forum,
which is kind of sad. This leads to hilarious results like the fact that a user like TMAN, who constantly
berates newbies in the Meta subforum, has earned more merit than
guys like gmaxwell, HeRetiK or DannyHamilton.

One of the possible solutions to improve the merit system would be the complete
removal of the ability to award or receive merit in the Meta subforum at all.


You beat my by few seconds, I wrote almost same reply, then forum warned me someone wrote something meantime  Grin

Yes, kind of beat the purpose to get most merit by writing about merit...since I came to BTT my main point of interest

was altcoins mining, and at start 90% my posts were there, until I started posting in Croatian subforum too. I feel

most of my "good" posts are in altcoins/mining, but I got majority of my merit in Croatian subforum, and when I checked

around, it seems that many people got most in either meta or BTC subforums, or in their local boards

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August 22, 2018, 01:24:27 PM
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@Branko and @Samarkand

If you guys want to bash me about my merit that is received in Meta Section, then it is okay for me, i get it with my style and my work, so i hope you guys dont mind it like this.Well, To make it clear too, there is nothing wrong in getting merits in meta section. The main purpose of merit is to make a quality post, and i am 100% believe that you 2 guys only know quality as it is a "good" or even "great" post, well you are wrong. In a forum (note this is a forum, okay?) besides a "good" or "great" content, you need the engagement and other things. Whats the point of making a good post if you are posting in a mega-thread, or if you dont even try to talk to other members?

And please read this link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3093768.0, this is and old statistics, but you know, meta is not the only section that is getting merits a lot. You guys should stop talking merits received in meta section is not well deserved without a data. You didnt received merits in your favorite section doesnt mean people dont get merits there, or the fault is at other section. The demography is different so if you want to blame then blame people in your section that doesnt want to give you guys merit.

O ya, have you 2 ever made a post like this link i am talking about? I bet you have because you re getting merit, but really you cant compare things like that. You re looking at your neighborhood's grass and comparing them while the types of the grass you have is different, until judgement time come you still cant make an on point comparison.



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August 22, 2018, 01:35:55 PM
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@Branko and @Samarkand

If you guys want to bash me about my merit that is received in Meta Section, then it is okay for me, i get it with my style and my work, so i hope you guys dont mind it like this.Well, To make it clear too, there is nothing wrong in getting merits in meta section. The main purpose of merit is to make a quality post, and i am 100% believe that you 2 guys only know quality as it is a "good" or even "great" post, well you are wrong. In a forum (note this is a forum, okay?) besides a "good" or "great" content, you need the engagement and other things. Whats the point of making a good post if you are posting in a mega-thread, or if you dont even try to talk to other members?

And please read this link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3093768.0, this is and old statistics, but you know, meta is not the only section that is getting merits a lot. You guys should stop talking merits received in meta section is not well deserved without a data. You didnt received merits in your favorite section doesnt mean people dont get merits there, or the fault is at other section. The demography is different so if you want to blame then blame people in your section that doesnt want to give you guys merit.

O ya, have you 2 ever made a post like this link i am talking about? I bet you have because you re getting merit, but really you cant compare things like that. You re looking at your neighborhood's grass and comparing them while the types of the grass you have is different, until judgement time come you still cant make an on point comparison.



Its not about speaking in meta, its about speaking about merit.

I'd compare it with a general becoming general by speaking about military ranks, instead been on battlefields

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August 22, 2018, 01:51:51 PM
 #4971

@Branko and @Samarkand

If you guys want to bash me about my merit that is received in Meta Section, then it is okay for me, i get it with my style and my work, so i hope you guys dont mind it like this.
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You totally misunderstood the point Branko and Samarkand were trying to make: namely, that there is a problem with the merit system itself if the most merited posts are on the subject of merit.

I've also received most of my merits from posts here on meta despite that they constitute a small fraction of my post history and just as with Branko, I find this somewhat disappointing. Unlike Branko, I don't care all that much, since my only motivation for achieving a higher rank is to finally be able to wear my favorite avatar, a thumbnail of Banksy's StarWarsPulpFiction.

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August 22, 2018, 01:58:21 PM
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Well then light me up. What is the problem if people giving merit to a merit discussion while the discussion itself is great, bring a new content, use a research to make, take a time to make, and has a lot of engagement with other members?

One question, did you open the link i gave? Well based on that statistic, off topic section gets merit too, why not making "off topic section getting merits" as a problem because it doesnt add anything at all to this forum and not on topic of cryptocurrency. The marketplace gets merit too, why not making "marketplace section getting a lot of merits" as a problem because why the hell people give merit to a buy and sale thread?

Please, enlighten me.

Ps. Why do people see the system is at fault while the one who is giving merit is the human? Human at some section just too stingy to give merits

@Branko
Well that is your problem. You think that your section is better than other section. It ia subjective. You can not force someone to like what you like or otherwise. If you follow your logic, then you should bash off topic and marketplace rather than people who talks about merit. Talking about merit still has a connection to this forum while off-topic is a big no connection and marketplace still have a little connection to thia forum main topic (cryptocurrency).


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August 22, 2018, 02:24:16 PM
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@Branko and @Samarkand
If you guys want to bash me about my merit that is received in Meta Section, then it is okay for me, i get it with my style and my work, so i hope you guys dont mind it like this
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I explicitly pointed out in my post that I think that you are a good poster and many
of your posts are valuable contributions to this forum. I was rather praising you
than bashing you  Wink

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And please read this link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3093768.0, this is and old statistics, but you know, meta is not the only section that is getting merits a lot. You guys should stop talking merits received in meta section is not well deserved without a data.
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Ok, let me back up my claim with some data.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4932684.0

This post is not an old statistic, this post from DdmrDdmr is from yesterday.

Take a look at the Subsection correlation matrix that he posted. You will see
that the Meta subsection is occupying one of the highlighted spots extremely
often.

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I'd compare it with a general becoming general by speaking about military ranks, instead been on battlefields

Great comparison  Smiley

Think of it as a way to "game the merit system". You can post valuable contributions
to various Bitcoin subforums or Altcoin subforums and you hardly get a merit.
Alternatively, you could spend your time regurgitating the same kind of post about
merit or its ramifications over and over again (again I´m not personally referring to you
athanz88, this is more of a general observation) and be a Sr. Member in a month.

Well then light me up. What is the problem if people giving merit to a merit discussion while the discussion itself is great,
bring a new content, use a research to make, take a time to make, and has a lot of engagement with other members?

The merit discussions aren´t great for the most part, they are users regurgitating the same
kind of statements over and over again. Sure, there is the occasional quality post like the
one from DdmrDdmr that I linked above, but this is the absolute exception. My grudge
definitely isn´t directed towards contributions like this. Every single merit he earned
for this post is well deserved.

Apart from that, the problem is exactly what Branko was complaining about.

He started posting at Bitcointalk, because of a genuine interest in Altcoin Mining. Later
he also started contributing to the Croatian Local forum.
He genuinely enjoys posting in these subforums and obviously has a hard time ranking up
due to posting mainly in these two subforums.

You claimed:
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Look on how i post and my made topic, or look to some of top merit receiver, and compare it to your post.
Learn from that and i believe you can rank up even in this sytem.
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I disagreed with this recommendation as I outlined in my previous post. You have earned only
a single merit in the last 120 days (!) that was not somehow related to merit.

Of course Branko could start rambling about merit all over the Meta subforum, but again I believe
that this is neither what this forum needs nor what Branko would enjoy.
My problem is not with your merit history @athanz88 (I actually find it great
that you ranked up), or your posts (they are valuable contributions for the most
part), but rather with the way that the merit system incentivizes users to post
about stuff like the merit system instead of the stuff they genuinely enjoy
or are knowledgeable about.

The merit system fucks up the incentives and therefore users like Branko (there are many other
users in the same situation) are faced with a quandary:

1. He could try to "game" the merit system by starting to make many merit-related posts
2. He can continue to make contributions to his favorite subforums and hardly gain any merit at all or
maybe earn merit at an extremely slow-rate in the best case

To sum up, I disagree with your suggestion that he should follow your example, because you
are precisely an example of why the merit system is not working as intended as evidenced
by your last 4 months of merit activity and as evidenced by the data provided
by DdmrDdmr.

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August 22, 2018, 02:46:51 PM
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I think merit system is very useful for judging the reliability of a post.
And I think it would be nice if there is a function like a “like” in Twitter, in case that the post is not good enough for send a Merit but would like to show appreciation feeling, or  want to send a Merit but not have a sMerit Smiley

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August 22, 2018, 02:50:05 PM
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I was wondering for a long time that was I the only one have that concept about "quality" in mind. According to my observation, most of the merits are given in Meta board. Those merit-received posts only meet "constructive" criteria and I don't see many really "high quality" ones. Sometimes, to match the "constructive" criteria, people deliberately lengthen posts & topics. This confuses their readers.
Exactly. To be honest, we need more bitcoin/blockchain sort of discussions on the forum. And not bitching about the system in Meta. Most of the top merited posters are not even close to writing a single informative post outside of Meta.

I'm not a regular visitor of Development & Technical or Project Development and I think either are merit sources. Btw, Bitcoin Discussion is becoming as trashy as Altcoin Discussion so we shouldn't expect from it. Serious Discussion should be instead.
You should be if you are keen on keeping your knowledge up to date.

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August 22, 2018, 03:13:49 PM
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I was wondering for a long time that was I the only one have that concept about "quality" in mind. According to my observation, most of the merits are given in Meta board. Those merit-received posts only meet "constructive" criteria and I don't see many really "high quality" ones. Sometimes, to match the "constructive" criteria, people deliberately lengthen posts & topics. This confuses their readers.
Exactly. To be honest, we need more bitcoin/blockchain sort of discussions on the forum. And not bitching about the system in Meta. Most of the top merited posters are not even close to writing a single informative post outside of Meta.
Both of you guys are right!
 
Merit is awarded mostly in meta or reputation and I also created a post complaining about the fact merit is awarded mostly for merit analysis/statistics here: Has the Merit faucet dried up? Solutions? which is sad...

I'm not saying it wasn't hard to create these stats and what not but the main focus of this forum should be about BTC & altcoins. Don't you?

I am creating a lot of posts where I try to help people or come up with ideas for the forum but these aren't really in focus of the merit sources... Sometime it is a bit discouraging to see this but what can you do?  Roll Eyes

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August 22, 2018, 03:34:50 PM
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Well then light me up. What is the problem if people giving merit to a merit discussion while the discussion itself is great, bring a new content, use a research to make, take a time to make, and has a lot of engagement with other members?
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The problem is pretty obvious I would think: this forum is called bitcointalk, not merittalk... Merit is a system/feature on the forum, and giving merits to others for talking about merit - while being the very definition of meta - kinda misses the point of the forum overall, which is to discuss bitcoin and crypto in general, not merit.

Like Branko and Samarkand, I'm not commenting on your posting quality or whether you deserve any/all the merit you have received, so quit taking this personally. It really isn't about you.

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August 22, 2018, 03:40:24 PM
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Could you please tell me how do you read the table on the link you gave?

In my point of view, Altcoins has 5 subboard and if you sum them up, you got 8094 nMerited user from all 18.738 total distinct users and its about 43.19% while meta only has 1.231 distinct users and it is about 6.57%. I know i do sum up the Altcoin board as one thing, but they can not be divided, like, speculation on altcoins is still altcoin topic or altcoin mining is still altcoin topic, but you can not make Meta as the same thing as other "Other board" because they are definitely talking about different things. We dont have the exact updated number of total merit given on altcoins board and meta board, but if you see the table from that Ddmr's statistic, it looks like merit in Altcoins is diversed to many members while in meta it is just more concentrated to same people. And by looking at the number of distinct users, it needs about 6-7 merits per distinct user in meta board to match the total number of merit given if the distinct user in the Altcoins board only get 1 merit, which is probably not, so i bet total merit given is almost the same, but Meta looks different because you guys just look in to the same person who gets merits because the distinct user there, is small.

You only looked up to 120 days merit of mine and you say im a precisely perfect explanation of users who only gets merit in meta? Well you are wrong and look again friend. look at the time of the post too did i was active in this 4 month? And you did miss a little thing in the link you gave to me. Ddmr give a spreadsheet about how many board do a person get merits and well i score 7 while you are 8.

Better read your sources first before saying things like "you are precisely an example of why the merit system is not working as intended as evidenced by your last 4 months of merit activity and as evidenced by the data provided by DdmrDdmr.

Do you even read Ddmr's data about mine in spreadsheet??


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The problem is pretty obvious I would think: this forum is called bitcointalk, not merittalk... Merit is a system/feature on the forum, and giving merits to others for talking about merit - while being the very definition of meta - kinda misses the point of the forum overall, which is to discuss bitcoin and crypto in general, not merit.

Like Branko and Samarkand, I'm not commenting on your posting quality or whether you deserve any/all the merit you have received, so quit taking this personally. It really isn't about you.

Well once again, if you dont get the merits because of your hard work, doesnt mean other people in your board doesnt get the merits, and dont blame people outside your board because it is a different story then. look on the number of distinct user on altcoin board vs meta and you will know why.

Well if you follow your logic then we dont need altcoin board (or any other board) in here since the name is bitcointalk, because nothing is being said about altcoin or other crytocurrency in the name. It really is not about you, and the funny thing is, you made a reasoning to include cryptocurrency and altcoin in to your "bitcointalk name" logic. I can clearsy say it out loud too that this is bitcointalk, not altcointalk or cryptocurrencytalk or merittalk too. Boom.


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August 22, 2018, 04:15:43 PM
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I think merit system is very useful for judging the reliability of a post.
And I think it would be nice if there is a function like a “like” in Twitter, in case that the post is not good enough for send a Merit but would like to show appreciation feeling, or  want to send a Merit but not have a sMerit Smiley

It is ofc not same as like in facebook and upvote or something else on some other social site.
First - They are limited , Second - The have more substantial value than a like as they get summed up in your total merit points.
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August 22, 2018, 04:52:43 PM
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This is becoming a trend now of a kind: attack the merit system through those merited talking about the merit system (I should know right)?
Various things I’d like to say before I bugger-off for a stroll:

1. Venezuela is living one of it’s most disruptive times, with tremendous consequences on its population. The epicentre of talk is about the crisis, and more specific for the past months how the Bolivar and the Petro are devaluated day by day and how that is changing people’s lives for the worse at a speed they has never imagined.
Taking a (very large) leap, the forum’s equivalent is Merit, being it’s impact on the forum and on ranks in the minds of more people than fit in Wembley Stadium, Santiago Bernabeu and Camp Nou together. It is affecting peoples “forum life” and therefore it is a core topic to talk about, and I suspect will still be for some time.

2. An interesting exercise to do would remove all the top 50 merited forum members (let’s consider them outliers), and see the distribution of merit per subsection. We can get back to that if needed at some point, but in order to see merit distributed per board the easiest way is to see it on the Merit Dashboard (go to the Tab labelled Section Subsection and check the graph on the top right – apply filters such as Date range or Month to delimit the information to a narrower timeframe).

3. If there are under-merited subsections, these need to cry-out and state the reasons why they believe they require a merit source, be it dedicated or shared with other boards. The cry-out part should, in my opinion, be founded on proof, so that the case can be seen both numerically and quality wise.
A subsection can have a low amount of merits due to it being not too active, the posts not being too great in general, or nobody meriting them when they are worthy of it.  If my local board were to severely under-merited, I would be investing time creating a thread with all the links to under merited posts to state my case. Time consuming, but at least I would try to prove my point with or without the help of others.
Technical topics can play against merits sometimes I figure, since they are understood by fewer people than the average Joe. That has it’s toll somewhere in the awarding process too.

4. The Analysis - Merited on multiple Subsections and the Correlation Matrix shows us quite a lot. The basic idea is to show us when people that are good in one subsection, what other subsections they tend to be good at (using merit as the link to derive this information).
It is therefore interesting, but focuses on correlation (I prefer the Dashboard for actual Subsection thorough comparison).
Note: we cannot add all the Subsections together for a given Section on the Subsection Correlation Matrix, since people merited in multiple subsections will be accounted for twice.

5. It would be smashing if Bitcoin were to be the main driver of Merit (it has 9% approximately of all awarded sMerit). Nevertheless, there are many more sections here on this forum, and despite it’s name (Bitcointalk), it has many more areas of engagement. Merit could have been created specifically for Bitcoin centre conversations, but it wasn’t, so any decent discussion anywhere on the board is a valid candidate for merit.
Some other “feature” could be created to display bitcoin knowledge and it could even be tied to the ranking system as a fast-track, but we know it’s not going to happen, less of all when moving forward on proposals is extremely slow and limited for multiple reasons.

In summary, I think under-merited subsections need to cry-out somehow, proving their case not by comparison to others really, but by showing that there are ever so many un/under-merited cases on the subsection. There is a procedure for becoming a Merit Source, and part of the process is precisely showing these unmerited cases that deserve merit. Stepping-up is a way of proving the above, although on a limited set of 10 posts, which goes more for the candidate’s ability to select that to say that a subsection is un/under merited.

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