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June 15, 2018, 12:24:08 PM
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The system hasn't been updated since it was implemented, right? I don't think I've missed some kind of an announcement.
Shouldn't the team try and make the system better? Do they believe they launched a perfect system by day one?

I for example find it harder as time goes by to know if a "Full Member" with 101 merits have worked from Newbie with 0 merits to 101, from "Member" with 10 free merits they got 91 or if they was already a "Full Member" when the system launched and they only got 1 merit.

I believe this is more important to signature campaign managers who want to filter the users than anyone else, but still, it'd be helpful to know how many were free merits and how many acquired merits.
Ofcourse you can check the date the user was registered, but as I said this gets harder as time passes and it won't be easy to remember or to calculate how many free merits someone has based on the date they registered.

And also, it's not that hard to split that info into "Total Merit" and "Received Merit" or "Community Merit".

I suggested something similar right back when the system was first introduced. Since then there are a number of resources available that I'm sure the campaign managers will check.

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Has given 11 merit 11 times, to 10 accounts ( 1.1 merit/account)
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Also https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4456438.0
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June 15, 2018, 12:32:38 PM
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The system hasn't been updated since it was implemented, right? I don't think I've missed some kind of an announcement.
Shouldn't the team try and make the system better? Do they believe they launched a perfect system by day one?

I for example find it harder as time goes by to know if a "Full Member" with 101 merits have worked from Newbie with 0 merits to 101, from "Member" with 10 free merits they got 91 or if they was already a "Full Member" when the system launched and they only got 1 merit.

I believe this is more important to signature campaign managers who want to filter the users than anyone else, but still, it'd be helpful to know how many were free merits and how many acquired merits.
Ofcourse you can check the date the user was registered, but as I said this gets harder as time passes and it won't be easy to remember or to calculate how many free merits someone has based on the date they registered.

And also, it's not that hard to split that info into "Total Merit" and "Received Merit" or "Community Merit".

I suggested something similar right back when the system was first introduced. Since then there are a number of resources available that I'm sure the campaign managers will check.

http://dev.martinlawrence.ca/bpip/profile.aspx?p=RivAngE
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Has given 11 merit 11 times, to 10 accounts ( 1.1 merit/account)
Has received 27 merit 16 times, from 11 accounts
(seems to have stopped updating recently as Vod's got some bugs to fix).

Also https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4456438.0
https://albertoit.github.io/Visualization/Merit%20js%20tool/filterMeritLocal.html?id=RivAngE
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Wow that's some helpful links, I never though someone would have made something like that. There's no API in the forums as far as I can see so I though it'd be impossible to create an automatic tool.

PS: Why do you have a star next to your "Posts Rank" and I don't? >.>

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June 15, 2018, 12:36:16 PM
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Wow that's some helpful links, I never though someone would have made something like that. There's no API in the forums as far as I can see so I though it'd be impossible to create an automatic tool.

Vod's BPIP uses a passer that is logged in and reads the recent merits page. Piggy's one is using the weekly download file the forum makes available every Friday.

PS: Why do you have a star next to your "Posts Rank" and I don't? >.>

Because I'm in the top 1000 FWIW.
I think top 100 is 2 stars and top 10 is 3 stars.

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June 15, 2018, 02:47:39 PM
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Because I'm in the top 1000 FWIW.
I think top 100 is 2 stars and top 10 is 3 stars.

Do you know if this is based on total number of posts, or is it weighted against other stats, like post count vs. merit or something?

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June 15, 2018, 02:51:20 PM
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Because I'm in the top 1000 FWIW.
I think top 100 is 2 stars and top 10 is 3 stars.

Do you know if this is based on total number of posts, or is it weighted against other stats, like post count vs. merit or something?

Vod is probably a better person to ask but I'm pretty sure each of the categories that have rankings and stars are independent of each other. Trust, Posts, Activity and Merit each show a ranking only for users in the 1000 and posts is the only one I'm listed in.

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June 15, 2018, 03:00:31 PM
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Good idea with bad consequences! In my opinion it is a system of sigrigation. Those who used to be on the forum protected themselves and their earnings from the applicants. Because there is no system of independent definition of the charge MERIT. Everything is subjective and comes from those who MERIT owns them. Beginners in their circle can not get!
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June 15, 2018, 03:06:15 PM
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All is well on bitcointalk, except for one how to earn merit I and did not understand (
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June 15, 2018, 03:49:01 PM
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Good idea with bad consequences! In my opinion it is a system of sigrigation. Those who used to be on the forum protected themselves and their earnings from the applicants. Because there is no system of independent definition of the charge MERIT. Everything is subjective and comes from those who MERIT owns them. Beginners in their circle can not get!

Yes, merit is a system of segregation - the shitposters are segregated from those who can string together a useful post.

And FYI - I started with 0 merits, same as you.

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June 15, 2018, 03:53:34 PM
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Awesome.... i too want to be a merit holder Cool Cool
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June 15, 2018, 06:27:59 PM
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Good idea with bad consequences! In my opinion it is a system of sigrigation. Those who used to be on the forum protected themselves and their earnings from the applicants. Because there is no system of independent definition of the charge MERIT. Everything is subjective and comes from those who MERIT owns them. Beginners in their circle can not get!

Old  members are at advantage as per the current system but there are still opportunities for new members. Many new members have ranked up after the merit system. If you can do that your profile will look better than that of a n old member with only default merits.

Many new members posted their objection against the merit system but it is impossible to please everyone on this forum.
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June 15, 2018, 08:25:41 PM
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After a few scandals of massive bots assaults on ICO bounties, I would defend that a Jr. should at least have 1 merit, perhaps 2. Is very easy to get a merit as a newbie from me or possibly many other members and if you really can´t is because you are not even trying or you are a bot.

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June 15, 2018, 11:38:36 PM
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In addition to activity, everyone now has a merit score, and you need both a certain activity level and a certain merit score in order to reach higher member ranks. The required scores are:

RankRequired activityRequired merit
Brand new00
Newbie10
Jr Member300
Member6010
Full Member120100
Sr. Member240250
Hero Member480500
LegendaryRandom in the range 775-10301000

You get merit points when someone sends you some for one of your posts. Additionally, when someone sends you merit points, half of those points can be sent by you to other people.



For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank. Of that, a certain amount (less than the usual half) is spendable. The spendable amount was calculated based on your current rank and the number of activity points you earned in the last year. A Legendary member who hasn't posted in the last year would still be Legendary, but would not have any spendable merit.

If someone sends you 1 merit, the 0.5 sMerit is not wasted; it is just not shown until you get another merit point.

There are stats here, and you can find someone's merit summary by clicking the "merit" link on their profile.

Thanks for explanation -  just noticed I have 253 merits and have no idea about how I took them all)

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June 16, 2018, 02:29:18 AM
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could someone give me some merit? i can also pay for it  Grin
Yeap, you shown your good initiative, which led to one more name in my Ignore List.
Merit exchange is one of bad way to abuse the forum, and should be avoided at any odds.
Such non-sense, ask-for-merit-exchange thread will definitely never get any merit from other users in the forum.
Good luck.

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June 16, 2018, 04:04:39 PM
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In addition to activity, everyone now has a merit score, and you need both a certain activity level and a certain merit score in order to reach higher member ranks. The required scores are:

RankRequired activityRequired merit
Brand new00
Newbie10
Jr Member300
Member6010
Full Member120100
Sr. Member240250
Hero Member480500
LegendaryRandom in the range 775-10301000

You get merit points when someone sends you some for one of your posts. Additionally, when someone sends you merit points, half of those points can be sent by you to other people.



For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank. Of that, a certain amount (less than the usual half) is spendable. The spendable amount was calculated based on your current rank and the number of activity points you earned in the last year. A Legendary member who hasn't posted in the last year would still be Legendary, but would not have any spendable merit.

If someone sends you 1 merit, the 0.5 sMerit is not wasted; it is just not shown until you get another merit point.

There are stats here, and you can find someone's merit summary by clicking the "merit" link on their profile.

Thanks for explanation -  just noticed I have 253 merits and have no idea about how I took them all)

This is because you already were Senior Member at the time when the Merit system got initiated. Your starting Merit from this point onwards was 250, so you have earned 3 Merit since then which brings the total to 253 Merit.

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June 16, 2018, 08:13:30 PM
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This merit system is too harsh. I have been trying alot but haven't got any success.. It looks as if no one is giving any importance to what you post so you won't get any merit. a newbie will stay newbie here for the rest of his life.

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June 16, 2018, 09:55:30 PM
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This merit system is too harsh. I have been trying alot but haven't got any success.. It looks as if no one is giving any importance to what you post so you won't get any merit. a newbie will stay newbie here for the rest of his life.

You are posting in the alts section in threads that have 100´s of answers. Try to go to more serious sections and contribute there, for which you will have to learn first.

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June 16, 2018, 09:59:55 PM
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I am a junior member and have all the criteria to have member rank but merit becomes a limiting factor, so merit should be given by forum after getting confirmation that the user is not a spammer..... In short upgrade the rank

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June 17, 2018, 02:28:07 AM
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I am a junior member and have all the criteria to have member rank but merit becomes a limiting factor, so merit should be given by forum after getting confirmation that the user is not a spammer..... In short upgrade the rank
Lol, so which suggestions you can propose to identify someone who are not spammer?  Roll Eyes
Your words are likely merit-begging ones.

More importantly, not spammers don't mean that those ones are constructive users.
The main purposes of merit system are letting spammers stucked at low ranks, and motivate users in the forum be more constructive because due to effects of the system, mostly constructive users can rank up when collecting enough merits through their constructive works.

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I am a junior member and have all the criteria to have member rank but merit becomes a limiting factor, so merit should be given by forum after getting confirmation that the user is not a spammer..... In short upgrade the rank

This is an example of another small fry idea that didn't even bother to read the trends of the forum. In short, he just want to rank up rather than to contribute in the forum. Please lock the topic if possible(Just a suggestion).

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June 17, 2018, 05:51:58 PM
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It seems as though the generosity of giving out merits have died down quite a bit.  I don't know if it's cause those that are already holding high ranks don't care for the system or feel it's not worth their time to give out merits.  It is a very difficult task to earn merits these days, just like solo mining bitcoins. 
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