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August 18, 2018, 01:20:45 PM
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August 18, 2018, 04:26:30 PM
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In this way users are forced to make comments of a very good quality to get some merit, excellent strategy
Merit system has been introduced for this so that the knowledge of everyone is verified.

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August 18, 2018, 05:43:02 PM
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I don't mean bounty entries at all. Should I stop doing bounty for merit? Of course not. I just started earning merit. I've made 2 posts 300 words each and got nothing, I thought I posted usuful info. One of the post disapeared. I think it's not so easy to earn merit as you said. Anyway thanks for the answer.

I'm curious as to see what you consider to be a high quality post. Link me to a post that you believe to be of your highest quality, and if I agree, I'll merit it.

As others have stated, just because a post is long doesn't mean it's a good one.


Is this good enough? More than 800 people downloaded it, and I got 2 merit from people that didn't download it, but felt sorry for me, lol

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3052745.0

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August 18, 2018, 06:37:45 PM
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Is this good enough? More than 800 people downloaded it, and I got 2 merit from people that didn't download it, but felt sorry for me, lol

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3052745.0

It is normal, sometimes the OP gets less merit for his topic than someone who gave a comment.
Contribute to the forum and the merit points will come sooner or later.



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August 18, 2018, 07:52:47 PM
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Is this good enough? More than 800 people downloaded it, and I got 2 merit from people that didn't download it, but felt sorry for me, lol

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3052745.0

It is normal, sometimes the OP gets less merit for his topic than someone who gave a comment.
Contribute to the forum and the merit points will come sooner or later.


So its normal that 800 people get my help, but are not grateful enough? I mean, I'd understand 2...or 20...but 800?
Let that number sink and think about it for a bit...its a BIOS that I spend numerous hours tweaking it, flashing, rebooting, testing...

They even get monetary gains because their cards can hash faster

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August 18, 2018, 08:00:05 PM
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So its normal that 800 people get my help, but are not grateful enough? I mean, I'd understand 2...or 20...but 800?
Let that number sink and think about it for a bit...its a BIOS that I spend numerous hours tweaking it, flashing, rebooting, testing...
They even get monetary gains because their cards can hash faster
Shut up and go at the back of the bus!

I have no affiliate link, no bounty, no signature campaign... Only Proof Of Work!
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August 19, 2018, 03:31:39 AM
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If you prefer things stay the way they are, enjoy your spammers. If you read my "complaining" posts you would know I was suggesting ways to seperate merit from bounty so everyone wins and spamming dies down.

Alright I guess stay salty.
Spammers have no right to stay here because it is not a spamming place. It is a professional job, so people with professional and experience should stay.

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August 19, 2018, 03:57:10 AM
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I am trying to earn a merit only for 5 days. Yes, I wrote 2 big posts (one disappeared) and thought they would be useful. I did not get any merit for them. That's mean I was doing something wrong.
I came here to get advice from experienced users. But I got ridicule from some users, what is quite strange. It might be better not to ask anything. Sorry if I bother someone  Sad
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The senior member gave them a Merit who was eligible for Merit
If you are eligible for Merit, you will also get a Merit. Continue to try and share your knowladge with others,  Hope you will get Merit .

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August 19, 2018, 03:59:35 PM
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Is this good enough? More than 800 people downloaded it, and I got 2 merit from people that didn't download it, but felt sorry for me, lol

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3052745.0

Be warned that many will consider this merit begging, but like the other two people that gave you merit, I haven't used your BIOS but gave you a merit anyway because I am sympathetic to your plight.

The problem seems to be that the altcoins/mining subforum doesn't get a lot of merit distribution, despite that it has a very high signal-to-noise ratio and is generally free from the useless sig and bounty campaign spammers. Not much you can do about it except bring attention to the issue here in meta (though, again, be warned that doing such can backfire by getting you put on ignore).

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August 19, 2018, 04:11:26 PM
Merited by DdmrDdmr (1)
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Is this good enough? More than 800 people downloaded it, and I got 2 merit from people that didn't download it, but felt sorry for me, lol

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3052745.0

Be warned that many will consider this merit begging, but like the other two people that gave you merit, I haven't used your BIOS but gave you a merit anyway because I am sympathetic to your plight.

The problem seems to be that the altcoins/mining subforum doesn't get a lot of merit distribution, despite that it has a very high signal-to-noise ratio and is generally free from the useless sig and bounty campaign spammers. Not much you can do about it except bring attention to the issue here in meta (though, again, be warned that doing such can backfire by getting you put on ignore).

I really don't think that could be mistaken for Merit begging.

It is a real shame that altcoin mining section is bereft of Merit givers. I think it is partly due to it being something that people do when they are new, I spent a while doing it. The people that benefited from that bios probably didn't have any Merit to give. It's not something I have a solution to as it can only be solved by a Merit source, that has an interest, taking the time and effort to monitor that board for posts.

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August 19, 2018, 04:23:37 PM
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Is this good enough? More than 800 people downloaded it, and I got 2 merit from people that didn't download it, but felt sorry for me, lol

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3052745.0

Be warned that many will consider this merit begging, but like the other two people that gave you merit, I haven't used your BIOS but gave you a merit anyway because I am sympathetic to your plight.

The problem seems to be that the altcoins/mining subforum doesn't get a lot of merit distribution, despite that it has a very high signal-to-noise ratio and is generally free from the useless sig and bounty campaign spammers. Not much you can do about it except bring attention to the issue here in meta (though, again, be warned that doing such can backfire by getting you put on ignore).




Its indeed very bad there...I can name quite a few people there that helped community a lot and got near zero merit, and I saw
posts like "BTC is the king, all altcoins suck" get tons of merit

People like nerdralph, notbatman, doctor83 and few more did lots of stuff for free, with not much award...its either lack of merit sources there
or that subforum tend to collect lots of misers


Personally, I'd like to see advanced system like Anoraks forum use...not sure what forum software it uses, but I think I saw it somewhere else too,
so its not proprietary...it has very developed automatic reward system (plus ability that users say "thank you" manually too)

In my example, I'd get reward for "link clicked 20, 50, 100, 250, 500..." times automatically

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August 19, 2018, 04:49:15 PM
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Its indeed very bad there...I can name quite a few people there that helped community a lot and got near zero merit, and I saw
posts like "BTC is the king, all altcoins suck" get tons of merit

People like nerdralph, notbatman, doctor83 and few more did lots of stuff for free, with not much award...its either lack of merit sources there
or that subforum tend to collect lots of misers

Just a thought. Why don't you put a list of 10 under merited posts together and apply to be a Merit source? Even if you don't want to, the only thing that will fix it is if someone there does that.

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August 19, 2018, 05:40:25 PM
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Its indeed very bad there...I can name quite a few people there that helped community a lot and got near zero merit, and I saw
posts like "BTC is the king, all altcoins suck" get tons of merit

People like nerdralph, notbatman, doctor83 and few more did lots of stuff for free, with not much award...its either lack of merit sources there or that subforum tend to collect lots of misers
The altcoin boards collect so much spam, it's a pain to find a decent post.
I've checked your list of names:
  • nerdralph last posted on July 1. His posts look okay, but if it's at page 54, not many people are going to read it. That means if the users who read it don't have Merit, they won't receive anything from a Merit source. Without knowing the details about mining, it's hard to assess the value of a post there.
  • notbatman has red trust from Vod. In the last month, he's mainly posted in Off-topic and Politics and Society. Those boards are infested with spam too.
  • User doctor83 doesn't exist, it's doktor83: his account is active, but just like nerdralph, he posts on page 191, which is only read by people who follow the thread.

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In my example, I'd get reward for "link clicked 20, 50, 100, 250, 500..." times automatically
That would be abused, spammers can have an army of Newbie (bots) click the link to rank up.

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Its indeed very bad there...I can name quite a few people there that helped community a lot and got near zero merit, and I saw
posts like "BTC is the king, all altcoins suck" get tons of merit

People like nerdralph, notbatman, doctor83 and few more did lots of stuff for free, with not much award...its either lack of merit sources there or that subforum tend to collect lots of misers
The altcoin boards collect so much spam, it's a pain to find a decent post.
I've checked your list of names:
  • nerdralph last posted on July 1. His posts look okay, but if it's at page 54, not many people are going to read it. That means if the users who read it don't have Merit, they won't receive anything from a Merit source. Without knowing the details about mining, it's hard to assess the value of a post there.
  • notbatman has red trust from Vod. In the last month, he's mainly posted in Off-topic and Politics and Society. Those boards are infested with spam too.
  • User doctor83 doesn't exist, it's doktor83: his account is active, but just like nerdralph, he posts on page 191, which is only read by people who follow the thread.

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In my example, I'd get reward for "link clicked 20, 50, 100, 250, 500..." times automatically
That would be abused, spammers can have an army of Newbie (bots) click the link to rank up.


Well, I observed altcoin mining thread a bit longer, so pretty well informed whats going on there:

For example, notbatman did tons of bios-es in his own thread here (and on request):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2163949.0

doctor83 made most used BIOS editor (for free, too):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1882656.0

nerdralph  is one of main contributors in this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1758267.0

that is probably THE thread not only on BTT forum, but on whole web, when it comes to deciphering AMD straps
and memory timings and optimization for mining

What you said about spamers is true, but theres a ton of rewards on anorak forum, it would probably be hard to abuse all stats
(although, I agree that when theres a demand for high rank, people are generally ready to do anything)

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August 19, 2018, 07:29:35 PM
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Well, I observed altcoin mining thread a bit longer, so pretty well informed whats going on there:
So do as TheQuin suggested:
If you want to be a merit source:

 1. Be a somewhat established member.
 2. Collect TEN posts written in the last couple of months by other people that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread. The point of this is to demonstrate your ability to give out merit usefully.
 3. We will take a look at your history and maybe make you a source.

I am especially eager to have merit sources in sub-communities such as the local sections.

What you said about spamers is true, but theres a ton of rewards on anorak forum, it would probably be hard to abuse all stats
(although, I agree that when theres a demand for high rank, people are generally ready to do anything)
Bitcointalk is different than other forums, in the sense that people join to earn money, without caring about the subject, and without bringing any knowledge to the table.
That's what Merit is supposed to change, but if I see a thread in altcoin mining, with mainly old accounts even without signature, I don't think those are the ones that should be restricted by the Merit system.

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1. Be a somewhat established member.
 2. Collect TEN posts written in the last couple of months by other people that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread. The point of this is to demonstrate your ability to give out merit usefully.
 3. We will take a look at your history and maybe make you a source.

I am especially eager to have merit sources in sub-communities such as the local sections.

Regarding the last line it's interesting to specify - does this apply to local sections which have no separate forum, only 1 thread?
For a long time many Ukrainians ask question about creation of Ukrainian sub-forum, but all these requests are ignored by admins.
(as for me that's probably political reasons)


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August 21, 2018, 06:01:02 AM
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I am trying to earn a merit...

That's your problem. Merit shouldn't be the reason why you're here. Merit is simply a byproduct of good posts. Obviously, yours weren't, or they wouldn't have been ignored or deleted.



So its normal that 800 people get my help, but are not grateful enough? I mean, I'd understand 2...or 20...but 800?
Let that number sink and think about it for a bit...its a BIOS that I spend numerous hours tweaking it, flashing, rebooting, testing...

They even get monetary gains because their cards can hash faster

Out of the 800 that downloaded, I'm assuming that only a handful of them even have any idea what merit is. The rest are probably from search results or newbies that stumbled across your post. I have plenty of sMerit to give, but I won't merit your post, simply because I don't find it valuable to me. Sorry, bud.

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August 21, 2018, 08:45:09 AM
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I am trying to earn a merit...

That's your problem. Merit shouldn't be the reason why you're here. Merit is simply a byproduct of good posts. Obviously, yours weren't, or they wouldn't have been ignored or deleted.


Merits is just a like button, should be given to the posts that make sense right? If you're not good at earning merits we must go to improvement.



@Yuliya2404, if you want to have merits then you should improve your posts and mindset here in forum.
Before thinking about the merits please check first your recent posts, all of them are just social media reports. You should have quality posts to be qualified in the merit system, you want merits but don't do something to earn it. It's been 7 months since merit system started, if you really want it then at first you changed the way you threat forum.

1. Be a somewhat established member.
 2. Collect TEN posts written in the last couple of months by other people that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread. The point of this is to demonstrate your ability to give out merit usefully.
 3. We will take a look at your history and maybe make you a source.

I am especially eager to have merit sources in sub-communities such as the local sections.

Regarding the last line it's interesting to specify - does this apply to local sections which have no separate forum, only 1 thread?
For a long time many Ukrainians ask question about creation of Ukrainian sub-forum, but all these requests are ignored by admins.
(as for me that's probably political reasons)


You should indicate some reasons why they should create sub-forum for Ukrainians. I don't want to be a racist bud but I think you guys must prove to them that your community deserves it even there are political reasons.  Wink

Regarding the merit source, even us don't have any source but we're still standing to develop our board without it. I think admins have many reasons why they didn't come up to approve those suggestions and applications. I know that our improvement will change those minds and they'll support us soon bud.

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August 21, 2018, 10:40:46 AM
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You should indicate some reasons why they should create sub-forum for Ukrainians. I don't want to be a racist bud but I think you guys must prove to them that your community deserves it even there are political reasons.  Wink

Regarding the merit source, even us don't have any source but we're still standing to develop our board without it. I think admins have many reasons why they didn't come up to approve those suggestions and applications. I know that our improvement will change those minds and they'll support us soon bud.

Thanks for reply!
I won't write all the reasons here (as this might be considered as offtopic), but we have a separate thread for this
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4365564.0
There I and others presented multiple reasons many times.

I see, so it seems there is no reason for me (or others) to apply for merit source. Anyway we communicate in 1 Ukrainian thread and occasionally merit is shared there.
Good luck with developing your board!


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August 21, 2018, 11:20:25 AM
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In case anyone else has this question here - Must an account be 'full member' status to send or receive merit?

No.

Please read at least the first post of the thread before posting if you want to earn any merits ever.

Thanks for the clarification. My question really should have been specific to sending merit, however I do indeed see that apparently you must have merit already to send it. Does this mean If I received 10 merit, if I gave 5 merit to others would my account still show 10 merit or are they spent as a form of merit currency?
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