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We should be having a subforum or something ''will do any sort of work for your merit''.
I'll give you a job for Merit: make good posts!

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August 09, 2018, 03:40:17 PM
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 #4802

We should be having a subforum or something ''will do any sort of work for your merit''.
You will earn merits from other forum users for sure if you make constructive threads which can meet strict rules of those guys.
After that, you will receive bunches of merit points from someone who feel satisfy with your threads' contents.

By the way, I give you several helpful topics, including mine, which will help you to be more familiar with merit system and have higher advantages to compose better threads later:
TMAN's guide to getting merits
Full Member thanks to merit system (iasenko)
And this one is my topic on English textbooks collection (both vocabulary and grammar):
tbct_mt2's Guideline on some forum functions, English texbooks
Additionally, you should also try avoiding pyramid quotes and over-sized image attached in your threads. These two sort of lazy-composed threads will partially make your threads very annoying.

Let's start reading them, and doing your better threads next times.

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August 10, 2018, 07:32:46 PM
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I think this merit system is not really fair enough to new users, it's very hard to get merit for your post nowadays even if what you posted is of high quality. Merit holders may also be using the opportunity to open new accounts for themselves and be giving themselves merit to build the new account
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August 10, 2018, 07:35:05 PM
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I think this merit system is not really fair enough to new users, it's very hard to get merit for your post nowadays even if what you posted is of high quality. Merit holders may also be using the opportunity to open new accounts for themselves and be giving themselves merit to build the new account

Go ahead and show me a few newbies' posts with high quality, and I'll share a few merits with them. Keyword: high quality

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August 10, 2018, 07:38:16 PM
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Merit holders may also be using the opportunity to open new accounts for themselves and be giving themselves merit to build the new account
That could be, but that's not a sustainable plan for the long run.  The way merits decay as they're being distributed sort of guarantees that.  What it comes down to right now is merit sources being picky about who they're giving merits to--and how many they're giving out.  There are some merit sources who routinely give out 20 merits for meh posts, and I'm sure shitposters know this and follow this particular one I'm thinking of around the forum, wherever he goes, hoping they'll get some of his overly-generous merit grants.

We'll see in time how this all plays out.  The merit system is still relatively young, and I'm not even sure that the airdropped sMerits have burned themselves out yet.

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August 10, 2018, 07:59:23 PM
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There are some merit sources who routinely give out 20 merits for meh posts, and I'm sure shitposters know this and follow this particular one I'm thinking of around the forum, wherever he goes, hoping they'll get some of his overly-generous merit grants.

From what I know of him he checks out their entire post history and if he decides that they are here for the right reasons and they have made enough deserving posts he will drop 20 on a single post. The post maybe meh, but I don't see him dishing them out to shitposters.

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August 10, 2018, 08:47:19 PM
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Go ahead and show me a few newbies' posts with high quality, and I'll share a few merits with them. Keyword: high quality
In order to talk about this, we should define "High quality". It's hard to write anything that is not some old story, written hundreds of times. Even talking about projects has no lot of sense, since even sh*ttiest projects have lot of shillers and if you criticize them, you are stoned to death immediately.

I was admin of one forum and mod on few forums (none of them doesn't have anything with crypto) and all I wanted from people is to be decent normal person. IMO that's enough for someone to have right on avatar and signature.

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August 11, 2018, 07:17:35 AM
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I think this merit system is not really fair enough to new users, it's very hard to get merit for your post nowadays
This is true!

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even if what you posted is of high quality.
This is not true Sad

If you add those two together, you'll end up with: "For most users, it's very hard to make high quality posts".

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Merit holders may also be using the opportunity to open new accounts for themselves and be giving themselves merit to build the new account
Unfortunately, this is true Sad
But those accounts risk getting red trust, and in the long run they'll run out of sMerit to give to their alts.

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August 11, 2018, 10:39:45 AM
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I was admin of one forum and mod on few forums (none of them doesn't have anything with crypto) and all I wanted from people is to be decent normal person. IMO that's enough for someone to have right on avatar and signature.

I thought the avatar and signature restrictions were overly-restrictive at first, but this forum is unusual - perhaps unique, even - in that you can get paid quite a bit for using either/both as advertising space. Once I noticed just how many of the newbies and jr. members were shilling some shitcoin or another in their sig while barely being able to spell bitcoin, I actually started thinking the current restrictions aren't enough. Honestly, this forum has a problem with spam, bots and shitposting that is truly like nothing else I have seen in 28 years of using the internet (since I first arrived at GaTech in 1990; obviously no WWW back then - it was all FTP and USENET, baby!).


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August 11, 2018, 02:24:19 PM
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I thought the avatar and signature restrictions were overly-restrictive at first, but this forum is unusual - perhaps unique, even - in that you can get paid quite a bit for using either/both as advertising space. Once I noticed just how many of the newbies and jr. members were shilling some shitcoin or another in their sig while barely being able to spell bitcoin, I actually started thinking the current restrictions aren't enough. Honestly, this forum has a problem with spam, bots and shitposting that is truly like nothing else I have seen in 28 years of using the internet (since I first arrived at GaTech in 1990; obviously no WWW back then - it was all FTP and USENET, baby!).

I actually agree. If you could not have a signature or avatar until you get enough merits to be a member, you won't have three million newbies and juniors spamming every thread on BCT with one-sentence replies. Along of course with all the oddly off-topic replies and shilling by newbie and junior bots.

But then you would also need to crack down on merit abuse, where people create multiple accounts and merit themselves, or when people sell merit.

And finally, although the number these is not as great, but dealing with members prior to the merit system rolling in who automatically received more merit than the quality of their posts deserved. I see plenty of Sr and Hero members who post lots of crappy content.
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August 11, 2018, 05:20:36 PM
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Is there any statistics on merit-based rank changes? I'm pretty sure that less than 5% of full members got their rank because of merit. I see many users with 200+ activity and 0 to 5 merit. This system is nonsence, administrators could just stop assigning new ranks to anyone registered after certain date with virtually the same result.
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August 11, 2018, 07:06:59 PM
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Is there any statistics on merit-based rank changes? I'm pretty sure that less than 5% of full members got their rank because of merit.

Take a look at this post

And btw, proud of being on that list  Wink

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August 11, 2018, 09:16:08 PM
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Is there any statistics on merit-based rank changes? I'm pretty sure that less than 5% of full members got their rank because of merit. I see many users with 200+ activity and 0 to 5 merit. This system is nonsence, administrators could just stop assigning new ranks to anyone registered after certain date with virtually the same result.
Ranked-up members can be seen here on the  Merit Dashboard. Simply go into the "Ranked-Up" Tab and you’ll see all forum users profile names that have required merit to rank-up and achieved it.

In total, 2.439 people have managed it, making it to the following ranks:
    1 from Hero to Legendary
  11 from Sr. Member to Hero Member
  49 from Full Member to Sr. Member
   5 from Member to Sr. Member
  63 from Member to Full Member
    1 from Jr. Member or less to Sr Member
  35 from Jr. Member or less to Full Member (me included)
  2.274 from Jr. Member or less to Member

Not a large amount at all really, but the difficulty is at all levels really (Hero to Legendary looks like a steep path that only felines have been able to tackle so far).

In addition, check the tab called "Ranking-up Pipeline" to see how many users are how far from ranking up to their next level in terms of activity and/or merit.

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August 12, 2018, 08:05:13 AM
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(Hero to Legendary looks like a steep path that only felines have been able to tackle so far).

That isn't really surprising when you consider that with the Legendary randomiser just to get the activity takes between 9 and 18 months. It will interesting to see how many have made it after that time has elapsed.



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August 12, 2018, 09:08:34 AM
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In total, 2.439 people have managed it, making it to the following ranks:
    1 from Hero to Legendary
  11 from Sr. Member to Hero Member
  49 from Full Member to Sr. Member
   5 from Member to Sr. Member
  63 from Member to Full Member
    1 from Jr. Member or less to Sr Member
  35 from Jr. Member or less to Full Member (me included)
  2.274 from Jr. Member or less to Member


So, considering 10 merit pretty easy to get with a small effort... things changed from “everyone will rank up, just be active and wait” to “only 165 people managed to rank up in six months

Cool  Cheesy

Did someone actually noticed this?
Meaning, less spam and bs posting just for sig around?

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August 12, 2018, 01:09:05 PM
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That isn't really surprising when you consider that with the Legendary randomiser just to get the activity takes between 9 and 18 months. It will interesting to see how many have made it after that time has elapsed.
<...>
What I meant to get at is that most complaints come from lower ranked members, but I wanted to emphasize that merit is difficult at all levels, and even more so considering that the top ranks require an enormous amount of Merits.
For example, the Hero Rank for example has currently 1.060 forum members which have received at least 1 sMerit. I don’t know what fraction of active Hero members that represents (I guess Vod could fill up in here), but out of the merited heroes, just looking at the merit side:

-   90 are waiting to be named Legendary, having and initial merit of 1.000 (Hero exceptions theymos mentioned once as having received an airdrop of 1K merit if I’m not mistaken). These are in the randomizer queue you mention.
-   1, Jet Cash, has formally made it to Legendary having been awarded >= 500 additional Merits (not in the 1.060 sum since he is now a Legendary).
-   3 more are virtually there (Last of the V8s, TMAN, hilariousetc), having been awarded >= 500 additional Merits, but lack the formal Legendary rank title (also in the randomizer queue therefore).
-   2 are nearly there, with over 900 merits in all (awarded over 400 merits): BTCforJoe & HCP.
-   3 are close, with over 800 merits in all (awarded over 300 merits): marlboroza, romanornr and Hhampuz.
-   4 have over 700 merits in all (awarded over 200 merits): tonych, sabotag3x, poptop and TryNinja.
-   17 have over 600 merits in all (awarded over 100 merits).
-   941 have under 600 merits in all (awarded under 100 merits).

In summary, 88,77% of Heroes that have received at least 1 sMerit require at least 400 sMerits more to rank-up to Legendary (just looking at Merits here, not activity). In the same period of time, only one Hero has made it to Legendary formality, and three more virtually...

<..>
Did someone actually noticed this?
Meaning, less spam and bs posting just for sig around?
It doesn't seem to act as a spam deterrent, just as a ranking-up barrier. So long as campaigns do not all include awarded Merits as a requirement, spam will be as it is I'd say.

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August 12, 2018, 01:39:01 PM
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Wow you got lots of merit for posting a useful article on bitcointalk thanks for explaining it my question is who can gives merit only legendary members ? I got the main point how we can get the merit impressive!

I always thinking over 900 posts I still Jr Member that's the reason behind it  Grin

Hope I made some useful posts to get merit at-least 100   Kiss
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August 12, 2018, 01:42:06 PM
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In total, 2.439 people have managed it, making it to the following ranks:
    1 from Hero to Legendary
  11 from Sr. Member to Hero Member
  49 from Full Member to Sr. Member
   5 from Member to Sr. Member
  63 from Member to Full Member
    1 from Jr. Member or less to Sr Member
  35 from Jr. Member or less to Full Member (me included)
  2.274 from Jr. Member or less to Member


So, considering 10 merit pretty easy to get with a small effort... things changed from “everyone will rank up, just be active and wait” to “only 165 people managed to rank up in six months

Cool  Cheesy

Did someone actually noticed this?
Meaning, less spam and bs posting just for sig around?

Not that easy for me to get 10 merit I am a member since Jan 2018 and still get 0 merit  Grin

My posts maybe useless junk  Tongue
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August 12, 2018, 01:45:26 PM
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I think this merit system is not really fair enough to new users, it's very hard to get merit for your post nowadays even if what you posted is of high quality. Merit holders may also be using the opportunity to open new accounts for themselves and be giving themselves merit to build the new account

Go ahead and show me a few newbies' posts with high quality, and I'll share a few merits with them. Keyword: high quality


let us play a different game, I will show you a few of your own posts that have keyword: poor quality and will show you why you should have atleast than amount reduced from your merit. deal?
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August 12, 2018, 01:46:25 PM
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-   90 are waiting to be named Legendary, having and initial merit of 1.000 (Hero exceptions theymos mentioned once as having received an airdrop of 1K merit if I’m not mistaken). These are in the randomizer queue you mention.
-   1, Jet Cash, has formally made it to Legendary having been awarded >= 500 additional Merits (not in the 1.060 sum since he is now a Legendary).
-   3 more are virtually there (Last of the V8s, TMAN, hilariousetc), having been awarded >= 500 additional Merits, but lack the formal Legendary rank title (also in the randomizer queue therefore).
-   2 are nearly there, with over 900 merits in all (awarded over 400 merits): BTCforJoe & HCP.
-   3 are close, with over 800 merits in all (awarded over 300 merits): marlboroza, romanornr and Hhampuz.
-   4 have over 700 merits in all (awarded over 200 merits): tonych, sabotag3x, poptop and TryNinja.
-   17 have over 600 merits in all (awarded over 100 merits).
-   941 have under 600 merits in all (awarded under 100 merits).

Thanks, that's a great breakdown of the data but just to be awkward I don't fit into any of those categories as I'm one of the few to rank up from Sr. So I guess I'm included in the '17 have over 600 merits in all (awarded over 100 merits)' group.

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