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Author Topic: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too  (Read 1601093 times)
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August 27, 2012, 08:17:17 PM
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whats better PPS or Proportional ?
my rig is 1.4Gh
Actually there is not so much difference, and it doesn't depends on your speed.
If you are going to mine for weeks or months, then you'll get more with Proportional because of lower fee.
If you are planning short-term then PPS may be better.


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It depends on luck.  Luck has been pretty good lately.  But when it's bad PPS is better for the short term.
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August 29, 2012, 07:19:26 PM
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Nice job keeping deepbit stable and useful for miners. You hard work has been rewarded by quite the pool
speed jump lately. Good for you.
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August 29, 2012, 09:07:44 PM
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Nice job keeping deepbit stable and useful for miners. You hard work has been rewarded by quite the pool
speed jump lately. Good for you.
Thanks :)

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August 31, 2012, 10:46:50 PM
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83.169.22.26 is a new datacenter location of deepbit.net but the mined blocks does not appear in the blocklist of the website!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105098.msg1150768#msg1150768


EDIT: my fault! the blocks appear in the blocklist with IP 83.169.22.26. time stamp on blockchain.info and deepbit.net is different according to UTC and non UTC.

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August 31, 2012, 11:05:43 PM
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83.169.22.26 is a new datacenter location of deepbit.net but the mined blocks does not appear in the blocklist of the website!
You are telling this like you know for sure :)

1. As it was said many times, blockchain.info is very inaccurate in terms of detecting the source of blocks.
It would only work if that site is connected to every mining node in the bitcoin network AND propagation delays are consistent.
2. There is no way to tell what is the IP address of a block's origin. Bitcoin network is p2p and any block can be relayed by most other nodes.
A mining node can be not connected with "wild" nodes at all and only relay blocks via known "friends" or proxies.

Yes, there are better ways to find block origins, but just seeing that some block was received from given IP is certainly not a reason to say that we moved to a new datacenter :)

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August 31, 2012, 11:07:46 PM
Last edit: August 31, 2012, 11:30:15 PM by Gyrsur
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83.169.22.26 is a new datacenter location of deepbit.net but the mined blocks does not appear in the blocklist of the website!
You are telling this like you know for sure Smiley

1. As it was said many times, blockchain.info is very inaccurate in terms of detecting the source of blocks.
It would only work if that site is connected to every mining node in the bitcoin network AND propagation delays are consistent.
2. There is no way to tell what is the IP address of a block's origin. Bitcoin network is p2p and any block can be relayed by most other nodes.
A mining node can be not connected with "wild" nodes at all and only relay blocks via known "friends" or proxies.

Yes, there are better ways to find block origins, but just seeing that some block was received from given IP is certainly not a reason to say that we moved to a new datacenter Smiley

please quote my whole statement including my correction! thanks!

EDIT: 83.169.22.26 is your new DC location because this IP is connected to your own blocklist on your own website.

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September 01, 2012, 01:05:18 AM
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EDIT: 83.169.22.26 is your new DC location because this IP is connected to your own blocklist on your own website.
Sorry, but you are wrong again. This IP is not mentioned anywhere on the pool's site or in my posts. Why are you telling that this is our "new DC location" ?
Please read my previous post again, it says that you can't reliably find out the IP of any node that really mined any given node. Sometimes you can guess, but it depends on many other things.

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September 01, 2012, 05:44:52 AM
Last edit: September 01, 2012, 06:29:10 AM by Gyrsur
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EDIT: 83.169.22.26 is your new DC location because this IP is connected to your own blocklist on your own website.
Sorry, but you are wrong again. This IP is not mentioned anywhere on the pool's site or in my posts. Why are you telling that this is our "new DC location" ?
Please read my previous post again, it says that you can't reliably find out the IP of any node that really mined any given node. Sometimes you can guess, but it depends on many other things.

please take a look at your own block stats:

01.09 05:16:12   1h 18m   226   4388165    0.00249786

<table border='1' cellpadding='3' width='95%' style='border-collapse:collapse;'>
<tr bgcolor='#E0E0E0'><th colspan='2'>Block</th><th colspan='2'>Shares</th><th>&nbsp;</th></tr>

<tr bgcolor='#E0E0E0'><th>Time/Link</th><th>Found&nbsp;in</th><th>Your</th><th>Total</th><th>Reward</th></tr>
<tr align='right'><td><a href='https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000002522a99d71c36394b39ff1a9fe0dabb8d9264357007ff47a814?site=deepbit'>01.09&nbsp;05:16:12</a></td><td>1h 18m</td><td>226</td><td style='padding-left: 10px;'>4388165</td><td>&nbsp;0.00249786 </td></tr>


is linked to a block which blockchain.info claimed solved by IP 83.169.22.26

https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000002522a99d71c36394b39ff1a9fe0dabb8d9264357007ff47a814

EDIT: meanwhile it was corrected somehow by blockchain.info
BTW services please make correct and transparent statements to improve services quality! this means no semiprofessionell services founded by guessing! thanks!

EDIT2: in the meantime most of the blocks in your block stats are relayed by this IP 83.169.22.26

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September 01, 2012, 06:01:40 AM
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is linked to a block which blockchain.info claimed solved relayed by IP 83.169.22.26

FTFY

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September 01, 2012, 06:10:24 AM
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is linked to a block which blockchain.info claimed solved relayed by IP 83.169.22.26

FTFY

right! relayed! but can also mean solved! nobody knows! IP 83.169.22.26 is a datacenter location with 4 hosts this means this is not a hobby project, it has a sense --> http://bgp.he.net/ip/83.169.22.26

EDIT: BTW there exist a big player since two days! who is it??? --> http://blockchain.info/blocks/83.169.22.26

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September 01, 2012, 07:16:30 AM
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is linked to a block which blockchain.info claimed solved relayed by IP 83.169.22.26

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right! relayed! but can also mean solved! nobody knows! IP 83.169.22.26 is a datacenter location with 4 hosts this means this is not a hobby project, it has a sense --> http://bgp.he.net/ip/83.169.22.26

EDIT: BTW there exist a big player since two days! who is it??? --> http://blockchain.info/blocks/83.169.22.26

Gyrsur, calm down. There is no funny business going on here. We already told you blockchain just makes guesses. I think they correct their incorrect guesses after the pools publish their blocks, just like blockorigin scrapes pool websites to identify blocks. That big player from above is.. you guessed it, deepbit. Deepbit is the biggest pool, they run god knows how many servers and they are quite a  popular DDoS target. Them moving to a new DC or not putting all their IPs on their website is not exactly shocking.

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September 01, 2012, 07:27:36 AM
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is linked to a block which blockchain.info claimed solved relayed by IP 83.169.22.26

FTFY

right! relayed! but can also mean solved! nobody knows! IP 83.169.22.26 is a datacenter location with 4 hosts this means this is not a hobby project, it has a sense --> http://bgp.he.net/ip/83.169.22.26

EDIT: BTW there exist a big player since two days! who is it??? --> http://blockchain.info/blocks/83.169.22.26

Gyrsur, calm down. There is no funny business going on here. We already told you blockchain just makes guesses. I think they correct their incorrect guesses after the pools publish their blocks, just like blockorigin scrapes pool websites to identify blocks. That big player from above is.. you guessed it, deepbit. Deepbit is the biggest pool, they run god knows how many servers and they are quite a  popular DDoS target. Them moving to a new DC or not putting all their IPs on their website is not exactly shocking.

a better way to do the business can be: deepbit contact blockchain before they run a new DC location and blockchain can make this combination between IP and pool without showing the new IP serveral days for the public. how easy is that? Wink

EDIT: and BTW Bitcoin is an open source project. there is now hidden information. accept it or leave. if it will be destroyed due public information than it was not strong enough!

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September 01, 2012, 07:41:55 AM
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EDIT: and BTW Bitcoin is an open source project. there is now hidden information. accept it or leave. if it will be destroyed due public information than it was not strong enough!

Guess what, the ownership of wallets is "hidden" too. Should blockchain be able to publish the owner IDs? Maybe private keys too? There is no need whatsoever to know who mined a block. Its interesting to know, and we have pretty good information on it, but it doesnt hurt bitcoin one yota if we dont know.

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September 01, 2012, 07:50:42 AM
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EDIT: and BTW Bitcoin is an open source project. there is now hidden information. accept it or leave. if it will be destroyed due public information than it was not strong enough!

Guess what, the ownership of wallets is "hidden" too. Should blockchain be able to publish the owner IDs? Maybe private keys too? There is no need whatsoever to know who mined a block. Its interesting to know, and we have pretty good information on it, but it doesnt hurt bitcoin one yota if we dont know.

for sure it is very interesting for the healthy of the network. the network is the foundation of Bitcoin this is where the value come from! a big player poped up from nowhere! this is a special time in the history of Bitcoin before the GoLive of ASIC. don't expect relaxed players and relax the situtation with wise actions! thanks!

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September 01, 2012, 07:59:49 AM
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You mean "a big player" changed IPs. There is no new big player, and no sign of asics yet:
http://bitcoin.sipa.be/
You are correct that the blockchain is critically important to bitcoin, but who actually mines those blocks, or for that matter, with what kind of hardware,  is utterly unimportant to the networks health. All that matter is whats inside the block.

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September 01, 2012, 08:03:48 AM
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You mean "a big player" changed IPs. There is no new big player, and no sign of asics yet:
http://bitcoin.sipa.be/
You are correct that the blockchain is critically important to bitcoin, but who actually mines those blocks, or for that matter, with what kind of hardware,  is utterly unimportant to the networks health. All that matter is whats inside the block.

yes you are right: ""'a big player' changed IPs". we figured it out due argumentation. this is how mind behind open source works. have to do now other things.  Smiley

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September 01, 2012, 08:26:45 AM
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yes you are right: ""'a big player' changed IPs". we figured it out due argumentation.
No, you didn't.

It doesn't means that someone changed IPs at all. Just now blockchain.info receives some blocks via another relay that can be totally unrelated to both mining node and blockchain.info's node.
Blockchain.info is NOT connected to all the nodes in the network and even knowing correct IPs of each pool won't give 100% accuracy. Also, even if blockchain.info is connected directly, a new block can find it's way to their node via someone else first.

See this site for correct data: http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/blocklist.php

Also please read the bitcoin whitepaper and the entire bitcoin wiki, you'll like it.
This may help you in understanding how the bitcoin's p2p is working.

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September 01, 2012, 10:33:29 AM
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Also please read the bitcoin whitepaper and the entire bitcoin wiki, you'll like it.
This may help you in understanding how the bitcoin's p2p is working.

Bazinga!

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September 01, 2012, 02:42:56 PM
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See this site for correct data: http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/blocklist.php

in the meantime blockchain.info has maintained your new IP.

http://blockchain.info/blocks/83.169.22.26 is associated with the right pool and hidden from public.

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September 01, 2012, 02:46:17 PM
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Also please read the bitcoin whitepaper and the entire bitcoin wiki, you'll like it.
This may help you in understanding how the bitcoin's p2p is working.

Bazinga!

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