🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread

[Betwrong]

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Glad to help buddy, I try to post results after every fight for the folks that can't/wont watch. I suggest you take a look at bloodyelbow.com, they have the most detailed fight coverage out of you watching the fight. And they sum it up really nicely so it's not a long read. Also check out Luke Thomas YT channel where you can get a more detailed breakdown of some of the recent events.

Thanks! I bookmarked the page. Interesting site indeed. But can you tell me where this table


came from? I couldn't find it on the site bloodyelbow.com. (And maybe in your future posts make it clickable, or indicate the source at least. )

But I'm especially glad that I was right about Clay Guida, "a caveman", as he is called sometimes. Few people believed in his victory, but I did. I like betting on the underdog. Now I regret that I didn't bet on Chris Curtis. I just didn't have the balls. And he won! Damn.

Personally, I think Guida's win is the most impressive win of the night. I know Aldo absolutely outclassed Font in the main event, but I was definitely more impressed with Guida getting the win. I can't say I would have put money on him winning that fight. Impressive stuff.

I'd love to watch the full fight, but maybe it'll appear later on YouTube. In the meantime I watched this video where Guida was called " a maniac" and "Sasquatch from the woods, one step down on the ladder of evolution", jokingly and friendly, of course. At this point, in the beginning of the first round, Santos almost finished him, hitting him for almost 1 minute straight. How can you recover from that? But Guida did, and won the fight in the second round. Amazing stuff.

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[TopTort777]

Oliveira vs Poirier, bjj vs boxing. From my experience, a pure wrestler is always victorious over striking guy. Oliveira is not a wrestler, but a BJJ guy. He is not able to devour strikes, to be able to get inside, put his opponent on the ground and ground and pound till the fight is over. But he surely can submit. Oliveira hold the record of most submissions among all UFC fighters. If he will be able to survive few punches and get the fight to the ground, then Poirier is finished. However, bookies think different. They gave 1.51 for Poirier and 2.45 for Oliveira. I think Oliveira has more chances to win this fight.

Did you know that Poirier and Oliveira total fight of the night bonus count is 27 ?!? I think this guys will sell a lot of PPV this Sunday.

Eh, I wouldn't say this is a pure BJJ vs Boxing situation as Dustin trained pure boxing only a year before switching to MMA full time, and actually holds a black belt in BJJ. I do think Charlie Olives is more proficient on the ground, no doubt, but Dusting can hold his own down there (and don't hold the Khabib loss against him, that's a whole different beast we're talking about.)

I would say that Oliveira is not as bad in stance, as Poirier is bad at wrestling I never saw Poirier using his BJJ skills, I think he uses it only to avoid takedowns. He even rarely uses kicks. Oliveira is more universal fighter, expert on the ground, deadly in clinch thanks to muay thai training. During last years Oliveira improved his striking, but if you watch some of his last fights - he still take a lot of damage to the head. He blocks, he pulls his hands back to chin after punches. But he did not move head to dodge. He does not even lean back to dodge. That is the key for success for Poirier.

[tokeweed]

What you think guys about main event? Will Oliveira vs Poirier event set a new PPV record (I bet not) or at least be in top10 UFC PPVs ?

I have a feeling, that the main fight will be a copy of Khabib vs Poirier fight scenario. Poirier will be better in striking, but will lose due to submission. But, I must admit that the fight is going to very close. Both fighters have almost identical records and experience in UFC.

If Poirier wins, Conor will put 200% effort to have a fourth fight

I’m no too sure if it’s gonna be like the match vs Khabib.  Oliviera doesn’t have elite wrestling.  He has the BJJ but not the wrestling.  And Oliviera isn’t as relentless as Khabib is in grappling, tho he has elite BJJ skills.  And don’t forget Oliviera got almost starched by Chandler in the first round.

But yeah...  As far as the line value goes, Poirier at 1.65 is I guess ‘fair’ so we have to look for where the value is.  Oliviera at 2.37?  Dunno..  Let’s wait for the props.  If Poirier via KO/TKO is at around 2.50, I’ll take that one.

[TopTort777]

If Oliveira will be able to get Poirier on the ground or jump on his back, then it will be over for Poirier in a couple of minutes. If Poirier avoids all these takedowns, he will win by points. He is easily able to "boxing for points" and take all the rounds. But, if he goes with "box for points" he will definitely TKO/KO Oliveira, as Oliveira is not good at dodging bullets with his head. If this goes like that, Poirier will win in second or third round.

This is really an interesting fight. To become a champ, Poirier must boost the fight, but in fact he could allow himself to be passive for some rounds. For Oliveira, to be able to keep the belt, he must risk and go to close distance against a perfect striker. This is the time when champion must worry much more to keep belt, than a contender must struggle.

[Welsh]

Already have it planned for this weekend; wings, pizza, and some beers for the event. Last time I was this excited for an event, Conor snapped his ankle so be prepared .

How can you recover from that? But Guida did, and won the fight in the second round. Amazing stuff.

I know this is a cliche, but some people are just built different, and are able to absorb a tremendous amount of damage. You can have all the technique in the world, e.g riding the shots while they come at you, tucking the chin when striking, but certain people just seem to have more of a threshold than others.

Just look at Kattar, and how much damage he suffered against Max Holloway. I do believe Max that night set the record for number of punches in a UFC fight, which is unreal considering almost all of them were landing quite significantly.

[notblox1]

I just made my predictions for UFC Sportsbet promotion and I honestly think this is going to be very good fight card to watch.
Even prelims with big heavyweights Augusto Sakai and Tai Tuivasa will be bombastic and I don't know for sure who will win that fight.

UFC 269 media day is now live and you can listen for statements from most fighters or watch recording later on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNdKhibLalA

[Welsh]

I just made my predictions for UFC Sportsbet promotion and I honestly think this is going to be very good fight card to watch.
Even prelims with big heavyweights Augusto Sakai and Tai Tuivasa will be bombastic and I don't know for sure who will win that fight.

One of the fights I've had a eye on for a while too. Should be a close fight, and the odds are showing that with both 1.80 / 1.90. Although, I could never bet against my man Tai Tuivasa, he made me a fan for his down to earth nature, and entertainment.

Ryan Hall's fight, Tai Tuivasa fight, to keep me entertained while I wait for Oliveria to submit Poirier . Nah, I really don't know what's going to happen in the main event, same with pretty much all three of these fights. Though, due to the return I'm going to have to bet on a Ryan Hall submission, Oliveria Submission, and a Tai Tuivasa knockout.

[TheNineClub]

Already have it planned for this weekend; wings, pizza, and some beers for the event. Last time I was this excited for an event, Conor snapped his ankle so be prepared .

How can you recover from that? But Guida did, and won the fight in the second round. Amazing stuff.

I know this is a cliche, but some people are just built different, and are able to absorb a tremendous amount of damage. You can have all the technique in the world, e.g riding the shots while they come at you, tucking the chin when striking, but certain people just seem to have more of a threshold than others.

Just look at Kattar, and how much damage he suffered against Max Holloway. I do believe Max that night set the record for number of punches in a UFC fight, which is unreal considering almost all of them were landing quite significantly.

I would add that some people can not just take multiple shots throughout their career, but their health does not suffer from it. But I still can't get behind the idea that that doesn't add up in a way. Obviously, the combination of great technique and toughness is the best option, but people that are tough usually don't develop great technique, so there is always a trade-off.

[Welsh]

I would add that some people can not just take multiple shots throughout their career, but their health does not suffer from it. But I still can't get behind the idea that that doesn't add up in a way. Obviously, the combination of great technique and toughness is the best option, but people that are tough usually don't develop great technique, so there is always a trade-off.

Yeah, it very much likely does contribute to ill health. However, unfortunately the understanding of the brain is rather lackluster. Though, significant amounts of money is being poured into it thanks to sports recently. For example, other sports like Football are investigating whether headering a football has an impact on brain health, so you can imagine what a career's worth of punches, and kicks is going to give you.

Though, data is rather inconclusive, obviously we do know to some extent that impact on the brain definitely can damage it, and I would say there's some sort of weak evidence that points to volume being worse than impact of the hit, since boxers seem to have considerably more brain injuries or illnesses linked with CTE than fighters in MMA.

[SUPERSAIAN]

If Oliveira will be able to get Poirier on the ground or jump on his back, then it will be over for Poirier in a couple of minutes. If Poirier avoids all these takedowns, he will win by points. He is easily able to "boxing for points" and take all the rounds. But, if he goes with "box for points" he will definitely TKO/KO Oliveira, as Oliveira is not good at dodging bullets with his head. If this goes like that, Poirier will win in second or third round.

This is really an interesting fight. To become a champ, Poirier must boost the fight, but in fact he could allow himself to be passive for some rounds. For Oliveira, to be able to keep the belt, he must risk and go to close distance against a perfect striker. This is the time when champion must worry much more to keep belt, than a contender must struggle.

Charles Oliveira will definitely want to fight on the ground in the match. I think it will take a lot of tries for this, if he gets behind Porier like you said, he'll be done. Dustin Poirier  is aware that his opponent is a Jiu-Jiutsu Master, and he spent a preparation period for it, I wonder what strategy he will follow. If he hits explosive hits at the beginning of the match, I think he will continue and he can TKO. Dustin Poirier deserves that belt and will fight for it.

[YuginKadoya]

Here are my picks for the next event of the UFC.

UFC 269 Picks

Charles Oliveira VS Dustin Poirier

Both guys can sure take out their opponent by Submission, Knock-out Decision that is how well-rounded these two are, and for me, this is a crazy fight to look out for, and it is sure to be entertaining, last fight that Poirier lost to was Khabib Nurmagomedov, and for Oliveira that is Paul Felder on 2017, many guys are saying that Charles Oliveira can wrestle Dustin Poirier and could win with a submission but Dustin Poirier could wrestle aswell, and like I said he could also win via Submission, and this is an interesting fight because I think that Dustin Poirier has good takedown defense and a good stand up and Charles Oliveira is not Khabib Nurmagomenodov, and if you look at the big stars Dustin Poirier have fought with versus the fighters Charles Oliveira have fought with, and right now stake odds for Oliveira is 2.41 while Poirier is 1.63 making Poirier the favorite, but I am confident with Dustin Poirier winning this.

Amanda Nunes VS Julianna Peña

I don't know why the UFC has pushed this fight through I mean I really think this is a missed match, because well I don't really want to say that Julianna Peña is weak, I am saying that Amanda Nunes is just way stronger for her, even though Amanda Nunes is having her baby for the 1st time and she had focused in the family life for quite some time now but for me, Amanda Nunes could still bulldoze her, I may be one-sided with this pick but I surely think she could win this, and stake odds was surely has a huge difference 1.12 for Nunes and 7.40 for Peña, well if you have bet for Peña and she wins then you hit the jackpot but then again it is not profitable to bet for Nunes so I will sit this one out. but my pick would be Amanda Nunes for the win.

Ryan Hall VS Darrick Minner

This is a fight between wrestlers but for me, Darrick Minner can win on Submission and can also lose on submission, and for me, Ryan Hall can shine with this fight because Ryan Hall really wants to fight on the ground so if you Minner wants to fight on the ground Hall can surely oblige with that move and can win this, I think the level of difference between these two with their wrestling is huge and I think Ryan Hall has that advantage, stake odds 1.50 for Hall and 2.75 for Minner, I will go with Ryan Hall with this one.

[Welsh]

Amanda Nunes VS Julianna Peña

I don't know why the UFC has pushed this fight through I mean I really think this is a missed match, because well I don't really want to say that Julianna Peña is weak, I am saying that Amanda Nunes is just way stronger for her, even though Amanda Nunes is having her baby for the 1st time and she had focused in the family life for quite some time now but for me, Amanda Nunes could still bulldoze her, I may be one-sided with this pick but I surely think she could win this, and stake odds was surely has a huge difference 1.12 for Nunes and 7.40 for Peña, well if you have bet for Peña and she wins then you hit the jackpot but then again it is not profitable to bet for Nunes so I will sit this one out. but my pick would be Amanda Nunes for the win.

Ryan Hall VS Darrick Minner

This is a fight between wrestlers but for me, Darrick Minner can win on Submission and can also lose on submission, and for me, Ryan Hall can shine with this fight because Ryan Hall really wants to fight on the ground so if you Minner wants to fight on the ground Hall can surely oblige with that move and can win this, I think the level of difference between these two with their wrestling is huge and I think Ryan Hall has that advantage, stake odds 1.50 for Hall and 2.75 for Minner, I will go with Ryan Hall with this one.

Unfortunately, at least two women's divisions are utterly dominated by one person who is clearly multiple levels above the competition. Both physically, and skillset which unfortunately makes poor viewing. The women's divisions for this reason are usually more exciting when prospects, and ranked, but not top ranked fighters face each other. Usually, get quite a few good fights then. Although, the championship fights are usually quite lackluster due to the clear mismatch. Rose obviously did well recently though.

I just can't bet against Ryan Hall on the ground.  I can see him losing quite a few fights against a striker, just like his last fight. Quite a few times in his career hes been caught on the head rolling in, and those that can resist the takedown are fairly safe against him. However, when you commit to rolling with him, its almost like its his world even against top level wrestlers, and BJJ practitioners.

[YuginKadoya]

Unfortunately, at least two women's divisions are utterly dominated by one person who is clearly multiple levels above the competition. Both physically, and skillset which unfortunately makes poor viewing. The women's divisions for this reason are usually more exciting when prospects, and ranked, but not top ranked fighters face each other. Usually, get quite a few good fights then. Although, the championship fights are usually quite lackluster due to the clear mismatch. Rose obviously did well recently though.

Yes, Amanda Nunes is in a different league, when she won her second belt and that level of power she got from dominating all her opponents there is doubt no need for analysis for this fight I guess, but maybe having a child and giving birth would take effect on her, but I doubt that would happen, let's just wait and see if her opponent Julianna Peña could expose her weakness but I surely having doubt she could take on Nunes with that stats.

I just can't bet against Ryan Hall on the ground.  I can see him losing quite a few fights against a striker, just like his last fight. Quite a few times in his career hes been caught on the head rolling in, and those that can resist the takedown are fairly safe against him. However, when you commit to rolling with him, its almost like its his world even against top level wrestlers, and BJJ practitioners.

You can be right about this and Ryan Hall could get another loss from Darrick Minner, and comparing their body build maybe Minner has power on his takedown defense, and that Imanari Roll is really outdated right now maybe he builds new tricks up his sleeves well, I really don't want my expectation on Ryan Hall to disintegrate that is why I am giving this fight to him and if Darrick Minner could go on with a ground fight I really think Ryan Hall can have his way around, but If Minner can have a tip on Ryan Hall's recent fight against Ilia Topuria and preventing those Imanari Roll, and if Ryan Hall only knows that one technique they he surely underestimating the level of UFC right now.

[Bttzed03]

If Oliveira will be able to get Poirier on the ground or jump on his back, then it will be over for Poirier in a couple of minutes. If Poirier avoids all these takedowns, he will win by points. He is easily able to "boxing for points" and take all the rounds. But, if he goes with "box for points" he will definitely TKO/KO Oliveira, as Oliveira is not good at dodging bullets with his head. If this goes like that, Poirier will win in second or third round.

This is really an interesting fight. To become a champ, Poirier must boost the fight, but in fact he could allow himself to be passive for some rounds. For Oliveira, to be able to keep the belt, he must risk and go to close distance against a perfect striker. This is the time when champion must worry much more to keep belt, than a contender must struggle.

Charles Oliveira will definitely want to fight on the ground in the match. I think it will take a lot of tries for this, if he gets behind Porier like you said, he'll be done. Dustin Poirier  is aware that his opponent is a Jiu-Jiutsu Master, and he spent a preparation period for it, I wonder what strategy he will follow. If he hits explosive hits at the beginning of the match, I think he will continue and he can TKO. Dustin Poirier deserves that belt and will fight for it.

Have you placed your bet on Charles winning by submission? Odds are pretty high for that. Odds for the fight to go the distance is also tempting at over 3.5. Both fighters can definitely last five rounds but hard to see the match going to the judges score card.

[tokeweed]

I just made my predictions for UFC Sportsbet promotion and I honestly think this is going to be very good fight card to watch.
Even prelims with big heavyweights Augusto Sakai and Tai Tuivasa will be bombastic and I don't know for sure who will win that fight.

UFC 269 media day is now live and you can listen for statements from most fighters or watch recording later on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNdKhibLalA

For some reason I keep forgetting jeremypwr's UFC Multi Master prediction game.  Please post the thread in here if anybody remembers it so more people could join.  Thanks.

Sakai is the more technical striker and the slightly better fighter but does he really want to be matched up vs Tuivasa right after that KO loss vs Roz?  Sakai should take an easier match up imho.  But yeah...  It's a coin flip.

[TopTort777]

Amanda Nunes VS Julianna Peña
stake odds was surely has a huge difference 1.12 for Nunes and 7.40 for Peña

That is why I dont watch women UFC. How can this be a title fight, when the there is so huge difference in odds. This is similar to a professional fighter fighting a guy from local gym according to odds. Champ vs a girl on top3, and such a gap in odds. Unbelievable. Will there even be a competition in this fight? Or why the odds are so high for Pena?

It looks like these top15 of women bantamweight are only 15 fighters in bantamweight rooster. Nunes has beaten everyone and she is beating all of them for the second time. This is the only explanation of odds I see.

[TheNineClub]

Amanda Nunes VS Julianna Peña
stake odds was surely has a huge difference 1.12 for Nunes and 7.40 for Peña

That is why I dont watch women UFC. How can this be a title fight, when the there is so huge difference in odds. This is similar to a professional fighter fighting a guy from local gym according to odds. Champ vs a girl on top3, and such a gap in odds. Unbelievable. Will there even be a competition in this fight? Or why the odds are so high for Pena?

It looks like these top15 of women bantamweight are only 15 fighters in bantamweight rooster. Nunes has beaten everyone and she is beating all of them for the second time. This is the only explanation of odds I see.

Yup, I completely get you. The issue is, there just isn't enough talent available. So yeah, there is a huge discrepancy in heavier female divisions, but in contrast to that, the lighter divisions are a bit more packed and tighter. That's the whole Cyborg issue. Where to place a fighter that is built havier but there is no one available to fight her. But that doesn't mean we have to accommodate everyone so...yeah, not an easy issue.

[Minor Miner]

Unfortunately, at least two women's divisions are utterly dominated by one person who is clearly multiple levels above the competition. Both physically, and skillset which unfortunately makes poor viewing. The women's divisions for this reason are usually more exciting when prospects, and ranked, but not top ranked fighters face each other. Usually, get quite a few good fights then. Although, the championship fights are usually quite lackluster due to the clear mismatch. Rose obviously did well recently though.

Yes, Amanda Nunes is in a different league, when she won her second belt and that level of power she got from dominating all her opponents there is doubt no need for analysis for this fight I guess, but maybe having a child and giving birth would take effect on her, but I doubt that would happen, let's just wait and see if her opponent Julianna Peña could expose her weakness but I surely having doubt she could take on Nunes with that stats.

Even though Amanda Nunes and Juliana Pena both are of the same age, Amanda Nunes is much more experienced. Amanda Nunes has 21 wins and four losses in her career and Juliana Pena has 11 wins and four losses. Amanda Nunes also has some advantages in terms of height, so she will have a better reach.

I just can't bet against Ryan Hall on the ground.  I can see him losing quite a few fights against a striker, just like his last fight. Quite a few times in his career hes been caught on the head rolling in, and those that can resist the takedown are fairly safe against him. However, when you commit to rolling with him, its almost like its his world even against top level wrestlers, and BJJ practitioners.

You can be right about this and Ryan Hall could get another loss from Darrick Minner, and comparing their body build maybe Minner has power on his takedown defense, and that Imanari Roll is really outdated right now maybe he builds new tricks up his sleeves well, I really don't want my expectation on Ryan Hall to disintegrate that is why I am giving this fight to him and if Darrick Minner could go on with a ground fight I really think Ryan Hall can have his way around, but If Minner can have a tip on Ryan Hall's recent fight against Ilia Topuria and preventing those Imanari Roll, and if Ryan Hall only knows that one technique they he surely underestimating the level of UFC right now.

I think the best play for Derrick is going to be standing on his ground and not let Ryan hall close the gap between them because then that takedown will come into play for Ryan. So if Derrick can keep denying the takedowns and maybe keep a good distance between them it should be ok.

[YuginKadoya]

Amanda Nunes VS Julianna Peña
stake odds was surely has a huge difference 1.12 for Nunes and 7.40 for Peña

That is why I dont watch women UFC. How can this be a title fight, when the there is so huge difference in odds. This is similar to a professional fighter fighting a guy from local gym according to odds. Champ vs a girl on top3, and such a gap in odds. Unbelievable. Will there even be a competition in this fight? Or why the odds are so high for Pena?

It looks like these top15 of women bantamweight are only 15 fighters in bantamweight rooster. Nunes has beaten everyone and she is beating all of them for the second time. This is the only explanation of odds I see.

That means we just got a hand full of women fighters, and just like what you have said there are just 15 women bantamweight that the UFC could scramble to fight Nunes, well if you are in the top 3 and up you will definitely get a title shot, and competing to a title shot, there is not much of a choice for fighters on that top-level there will always be a fighter that could challenge Amanda Nunes, and Amanda Nunes has managed to get her hand on the two belts of the Division, and there are just 4 Divisions for the Women category, and there isn't any choice for Julianna Peña she will need to take on Nunes eventually.

Even though Amanda Nunes and Juliana Pena both are of the same age, Amanda Nunes is much more experienced. Amanda Nunes has 21 wins and four losses in her career and Juliana Pena has 11 wins and four losses. Amanda Nunes also has some advantages in terms of height, so she will have a better reach.

That is expected of the champion, she excels more than the challenger the way a champion should be, well Amanda Nunes sure has the height advantage of 1.73 m while Peña is 1.68 m but they have the same reach of 175.3 cm so height doesn't matter actually Amanda just really hit like a truck than a girl.

I think the best play for Derrick is going to be standing on his ground and not let Ryan hall close the gap between them because then that takedown will come into play for Ryan. So if Derrick can keep denying the takedowns and maybe keep a good distance between them it should be ok.

Darrick Minner is also a wrestler if you look at his stats he has 26 wins and 12 losses 1 win by knockout 22 wins by submission and 3 by decision, if you can look carefully and Darrick Minner doesn't have a good leg kick, and not good at the stand up so most of the time he will surely always go with the takedowns, but if he can up his game with his striking or boxing then there might be a way for him, but I doubt if he is more familiar with his style now.

[Welsh]

You can be right about this and Ryan Hall could get another loss from Darrick Minner, and comparing their body build maybe Minner has power on his takedown defense, and that Imanari Roll is really outdated right now maybe he builds new tricks up his sleeves well, I really don't want my expectation on Ryan Hall to disintegrate that is why I am giving this fight to him and if Darrick Minner could go on with a ground fight I really think Ryan Hall can have his way around, but If Minner can have a tip on Ryan Hall's recent fight against Ilia Topuria and preventing those Imanari Roll, and if Ryan Hall only knows that one technique they he surely underestimating the level of UFC right now.

This is often the case for Ryan Hall though. He doesn't really need the strength that other fighters have because he prioritises technique. Though, I have to admit a Ryan Hall who was semi decent at stand up, and someone who had a little more muscle to him would be absolutely scary for anyone in the division. It's a shame really that he didn't seem to fight more in the UFC, and try a different approach now, and again. HIs submissions are well pulled off most of the time, but I just wish he did try to become a more rounded fighter.

Obviously, he's getting on a bit now so its not likely going to happen. Would have also liked to see him fight more, but I do believe quite a few fighters were ducking him.