Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[Haunebu]

And I still believe that without the 90 run partnership between Shami and Bumrah, India would have lost the second match.

When Ishant got out, India were at 209/8 (lead of 182 runs). If the target was less than 200, then England would have chased it with relative ease.

Blind assumptions. How are you so sure that England would have chased down 182? The Indian bowlers were on fire and you forgot about the fact that some catches were dropped.

Bumrah and Shami piled on the pressure while Siraj kept chipping away their wickets regularly. Also, England got lucky in the 1st test thanks to rain interference since 209 isn't a big target. My blind assumption!

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[JSRAW]

The series is not yet over and three test matches remain. If Indians get overconfident, then they will end up losing the series. The weather seems to be improved in England and it won't be impossible for the hosts to win the series by a margin of 2-1 or 3-1. And trust me, this has happened to the Indians manytimes before. And apart from Rahul and Rohit, none of the Indian batsmen are in good form. The victory in the second match temporarily took the focus away from the poor form of Pujara, Rahane, Kohli and Pant.

2 weeks so plenty of time for both teams to think about next game and i doubt Indian team will be over confident, Indian fans? Yes!! And i agree there is always possibility of India losing series but its also true for England, in hypothetical scenario both teams has 50-50%. England has a home advantage but Indians are playing as a team and everyone is contributing for the team's cause, this is missing from the English team and Jimmy-Root are only 2 players who dragging their team, Root is in his career's best form atm.

England's squad for the 3rd test
IN - Dawid Malan (Batter), Saqib Mahmood (Seam bowler)
OUT - Zak Crawley, Dom Sibley, Jack Leach

[bryant.coleman]

Blind assumptions. How are you so sure that England would have chased down 182? The Indian bowlers were on fire and you forgot about the fact that some catches were dropped.

Bumrah and Shami piled on the pressure while Siraj kept chipping away their wickets regularly. Also, England got lucky in the 1st test thanks to rain interference since 209 isn't a big target. My blind assumption!

England was on the defensive because they were chasing such a huge total. You really want to believe that 182 is such a big total? And especially when they are having 100 plus overs? Once India took the target to 350 plus, there was only two possible outcomes - either a win for India, or draw. It gave the Indian bowlers the freedom to bowl aggressively. On the other hand, if the target was less than 200, then they would be bowling defensively. The England batsmen would be aiming for a win rather than a draw.

[onecall123]

And I still believe that without the 90 run partnership between Shami and Bumrah, India would have lost the second match.

When Ishant got out, India were at 209/8 (lead of 182 runs). If the target was less than 200, then England would have chased it with relative ease.

Blind assumptions. How are you so sure that England would have chased down 182? The Indian bowlers were on fire and you forgot about the fact that some catches were dropped.

Bumrah and Shami piled on the pressure while Siraj kept chipping away their wickets regularly. Also, England got lucky in the 1st test thanks to rain interference since 209 isn't a big target. My blind assumption!

What a test match and what a turn of events. Mohammed Shami and Jasprit Bumrah deserve credit for the first innings and Mohammed Siraj for the stormy bowling attack. For me, Brisbane tests are unforgettable, but the victory of Lord's test match, which is hard to express, the test match win will be unforgettable.

[Haunebu]

England was on the defensive because they were chasing such a huge total. You really want to believe that 182 is such a big total? And especially when they are having 100 plus overs? Once India took the target to 350 plus, there was only two possible outcomes - either a win for India, or draw. It gave the Indian bowlers the freedom to bowl aggressively. On the other hand, if the target was less than 200, then they would be bowling defensively. The England batsmen would be aiming for a win rather than a draw.

Most of the English batsmen are in bad form in recent times which is why a lower target wouldn't have a big difference in my opinion. 182 is a big total for a team full of batsmen who are currently struggling.

Did you observe how they lost 2 wickets for just a run or something? They are over-dependent on Root currently which is something they need to fix asap or India could whitewash them.

[7788bitcoin]

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I agree with you that England's batsmen are not in good form. But I don't think the Indian batsmen are playing very well. You are right, India would not have won if Shami and Bumrah had not made the necessary partnership. Batsmen are having a lot of trouble to run regularly on this pitch. The previous match was competitive. The next match will also be competitive too. It is difficult to say which team will win.

Is that the England batsman struggling to get form or the Indian bowlers are bowling really well. If it was a series against any other country i am assuming that they would perform well but India has a world class bowling line up and you cannot point out a weak bowler in the Indian team to take advantage.
I am not expecting any surprises, with the way India is playing if the Indian batsman could put a decent score on the board the bowlers will do the rest of the job.

[eaLiTy]

Bumrah and Shami piled on the pressure while Siraj kept chipping away their wickets regularly. Also, England got lucky in the 1st test thanks to rain interference since 209 isn't a big target. My blind assumption!

Even i think so about the first Test match, if they had play in the final day i am sure India will look for the win and would have got those runs and in the second match, till the 4th day the match was in the balance and the most probable result was a draw and the chances of England winning the match was evident with the odds provided by bookies.

 The Indian 4 pace attack is a pleasure to watch and the bowlers are back in rhythm unlike the World Test Championship where i felt they were struggling to get the rhythm as they are playing after a long gap.

[Sithara007]

What a test match and what a turn of events. Mohammed Shami and Jasprit Bumrah deserve credit for the first innings and Mohammed Siraj for the stormy bowling attack. For me, Brisbane tests are unforgettable, but the victory of Lord's test match, which is hard to express, the test match win will be unforgettable.

Lord's is considered as the home of cricket (similar to what Wembley is for football), and a victory there, under any circumstances is exceptional. The Indian team, has on a consistent basis shown that they can win in SENA conditions. Also, this time they had to deal with restrictions imposed as a result of the COVID pandemic. It was true that England was missing some of their big names as a result of injury, but I really doubt whether the outcome would have been any different if these players were available.

[LittleBitFunny]

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I agree with you that England's batsmen are not in good form. But I don't think the Indian batsmen are playing very well. You are right, India would not have won if Shami and Bumrah had not made the necessary partnership. Batsmen are having a lot of trouble to run regularly on this pitch. The previous match was competitive. The next match will also be competitive too. It is difficult to say which team will win.

Is that the England batsman struggling to get form or the Indian bowlers are bowling really well. If it was a series against any other country i am assuming that they would perform well but India has a world class bowling line up and you cannot point out a weak bowler in the Indian team to take advantage.
I am not expecting any surprises, with the way India is playing if the Indian batsman could put a decent score on the board the bowlers will do the rest of the job.

India's players are in a better position than England's. The Indian bowlers are bowling well but the England bowlers are not performing well. If they had done their duty properly, Shami and Bumrah would not have been able to collect so many runs in the 9th wicket partnership. If England want to improve their performance in the next match, they need to change their bowling lineup a bit.

[onecall123]

What a test match and what a turn of events. Mohammed Shami and Jasprit Bumrah deserve credit for the first innings and Mohammed Siraj for the stormy bowling attack. For me, Brisbane tests are unforgettable, but the victory of Lord's test match, which is hard to express, the test match win will be unforgettable.

Lord's is considered as the home of cricket (similar to what Wembley is for football), and a victory there, under any circumstances is exceptional. The Indian team, has on a consistent basis shown that they can win in SENA conditions. Also, this time they had to deal with restrictions imposed as a result of the COVID pandemic. It was true that England was missing some of their big names as a result of injury, but I really doubt whether the outcome would have been any different if these players were available.

I can see that there is pure joy at the home of cricket. I admire the Indian Cricket team and their skipper for doing a miracle. Let's hope India keeps the momentum going. England will not succeed as long as they only rely on Joe Root and expect Anderson to do the damage every time. England missed out on big names, yes, but what about teamwork? England must try something at the top of the order.

[Lordshiva]

What a test match and what a turn of events. Mohammed Shami and Jasprit Bumrah deserve credit for the first innings and Mohammed Siraj for the stormy bowling attack. For me, Brisbane tests are unforgettable, but the victory of Lord's test match, which is hard to express, the test match win will be unforgettable.

Lord's is considered as the home of cricket (similar to what Wembley is for football), and a victory there, under any circumstances is exceptional. The Indian team, has on a consistent basis shown that they can win in SENA conditions. Also, this time they had to deal with restrictions imposed as a result of the COVID pandemic. It was true that England was missing some of their big names as a result of injury, but I really doubt whether the outcome would have been any different if these players were available.

I can see that there is pure joy at the home of cricket. I admire the Indian Cricket team and their skipper for doing a miracle. Let's hope India keeps the momentum going. England will not succeed as long as they only rely on Joe Root and expect Anderson to do the damage every time. England missed out on big names, yes, but what about teamwork? England must try something at the top of the order.

India is according to me the best touring team right now in the world. They have beaten australia in australia and here in england as well they are looking the much better team than england. I think there is more victories to come for india in this series.

[Sithara007]

India is according to me the best touring team right now in the world. They have beaten australia in australia and here in england as well they are looking the much better team than england. I think there is more victories to come for india in this series.

I would still rate New Zealand one level above India. And the Indian batsmen have no clue about facing the Kiwi pacers. New Zealand currently has the best pace bowling attack for any of the test teams right now. And their batting is also quite strong, with Kane Williamson and Ross Taylor adding the experience and Devon Conway/Tom Latham complementing them. And I am sure that England would be a very different team, once Ben Stokes and Jofra Archer recover from the injuries. They were without two of their best players.

[Maidak]

What a test match and what a turn of events. Mohammed Shami and Jasprit Bumrah deserve credit for the first innings and Mohammed Siraj for the stormy bowling attack. For me, Brisbane tests are unforgettable, but the victory of Lord's test match, which is hard to express, the test match win will be unforgettable.

Lord's is considered as the home of cricket (similar to what Wembley is for football), and a victory there, under any circumstances is exceptional. The Indian team, has on a consistent basis shown that they can win in SENA conditions. Also, this time they had to deal with restrictions imposed as a result of the COVID pandemic. It was true that England was missing some of their big names as a result of injury, but I really doubt whether the outcome would have been any different if these players were available.

I can see that there is pure joy at the home of cricket. I admire the Indian Cricket team and their skipper for doing a miracle. Let's hope India keeps the momentum going. England will not succeed as long as they only rely on Joe Root and expect Anderson to do the damage every time. England missed out on big names, yes, but what about teamwork? England must try something at the top of the order.

India is according to me the best touring team right now in the world. They have beaten australia in australia and here in england as well they are looking the much better team than england. I think there is more victories to come for india in this series.

I agree with this. India is the best touring team right now. However, they had a very poor performance against Sri Lanka. The main reason for this is that they sent a second-tier team to Sri Lanka. Although the second-tier team was also experienced by the Sri Lankan national team. But the Indian players were overconfident. So they were defeated in Sri Lanka. Overconfidence is never good.

[JSRAW]

India is according to me the best touring team right now in the world. They have beaten australia in australia and here in england as well they are looking the much better team than england. I think there is more victories to come for india in this series.

I would still rate New Zealand one level above India. And the Indian batsmen have no clue about facing the Kiwi pacers. New Zealand currently has the best pace bowling attack for any of the test teams right now. And their batting is also quite strong, with Kane Williamson and Ross Taylor adding the experience and Devon Conway/Tom Latham complementing them. And I am sure that England would be a very different team, once Ben Stokes and Jofra Archer recover from the injuries. They were without two of their best players.

No team can claim that they are best touring team. Having said that this Indian team has some chance if they win in England and SA too.

Some stats (India-NZ) in SENA countries.
-Aussie beat NewZealand for fun, they didn't won single series against Aussie in last 2 decades. India won last 2 series in Australia.
-New Zealand yet to register their first test series win in India. India on the other hand won at least 1 series in New Zealand back in 2008-09.
-Kiwis yet to open their account against South Africa (home-away). India is equally shit against Proteas when playing away, not in home tho.
-In England both India and Nz won 3-3 series, although will rate kiwis slightly better in England.

[Vishnu.Reang]

I agree with this. India is the best touring team right now. However, they had a very poor performance against Sri Lanka. The main reason for this is that they sent a second-tier team to Sri Lanka. Although the second-tier team was also experienced by the Sri Lankan national team. But the Indian players were overconfident. So they were defeated in Sri Lanka. Overconfidence is never good.

If the team is among the best, they will be able to perform even if some of their players are not available. And in case of India, they were facing one of the weakest test playing nations, so these excuses don't hold. And even Sri Lanka was without players such as Angelo Mathews. So they were also not in their full strength. However, I have noticed one thing. For batting in SENA conditions, India used to be heavily dependent on Virat Kohli previously. This dependence has now vanished altogether.

[Maidak]

I agree with this. India is the best touring team right now. However, they had a very poor performance against Sri Lanka. The main reason for this is that they sent a second-tier team to Sri Lanka. Although the second-tier team was also experienced by the Sri Lankan national team. But the Indian players were overconfident. So they were defeated in Sri Lanka. Overconfidence is never good.

If the team is among the best, they will be able to perform even if some of their players are not available. And in case of India, they were facing one of the weakest test playing nations, so these excuses don't hold. And even Sri Lanka was without players such as Angelo Mathews. So they were also not in their full strength. However, I have noticed one thing. For batting in SENA conditions, India used to be heavily dependent on Virat Kohli previously. This dependence has now vanished altogether.

The main reason for the defeat against Sri Lanka was the over-confidence of the players. I remember an Indian player saying that any Indian third-tier team can easily beat Sri Lanka.
India is no longer dependent on Virat Kohli. The team now has many experienced players. Virat's performance in the last 2 Tests was not good but overall India team has performed very well.

[Juggy777]

I agree with this. India is the best touring team right now. However, they had a very poor performance against Sri Lanka. The main reason for this is that they sent a second-tier team to Sri Lanka. Although the second-tier team was also experienced by the Sri Lankan national team. But the Indian players were overconfident. So they were defeated in Sri Lanka. Overconfidence is never good.

If the team is among the best, they will be able to perform even if some of their players are not available. And in case of India, they were facing one of the weakest test playing nations, so these excuses don't hold. And even Sri Lanka was without players such as Angelo Mathews. So they were also not in their full strength. However, I have noticed one thing. For batting in SENA conditions, India used to be heavily dependent on Virat Kohli previously. This dependence has now vanished altogether.

The main reason for the defeat against Sri Lanka was the over-confidence of the players. I remember an Indian player saying that any Indian third-tier team can easily beat Sri Lanka.
India is no longer dependent on Virat Kohli. The team now has many experienced players. Virat's performance in the last 2 Tests was not good but overall India team has performed very well.

@Maidak the team likes to draw attention on Virat, because the opposition becomes so busy on focusing on him that they forget there’re other good player’s in the team too like KL Rahul. Furthermore I would give him two year’s and at max the ODI World Cup 2023 before he either retires completely or plays only one format, because his form is not that great and I feel age is also a factor here.

[JSRAW]

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@Maidak the team likes to draw attention on Virat, because the opposition becomes so busy on focusing on him that they forget there’re other good player’s in the team too like KL Rahul. Furthermore I would give him two year’s and at max the ODI World Cup 2023 before he either retires completely or plays only one format, because his form is not that great and I feel age is also a factor here.

Not only teams but everyone, this include News, Media, Commentator, Broadcasters. Virat kohli is big brand and cash cow for everyone that's why every camera follows him even when someone takes wickets. Broadcaster wants to catch his every reaction and by doing so sometime they don't even show the poor bowler but you can't blame anyone because these series generate ridiculous amount of money, for ex this series is worth approx 130 ish millions.

[Haunebu]

Furthermore I would give him two year’s and at max the ODI World Cup 2023 before he either retires completely or plays only one format, because his form is not that great and I feel age is also a factor here.

I disagree. Kohli still has a lot of fuel left in his tank and I expect him to captain the Indian side in all formats for the next 3-4 years unless something crazy happens to him. Kohli's form isn't great currently, but he will recover it pretty soon in my opinion.

Broadcaster wants to catch his every reaction and by doing so sometime they don't even show the poor bowler but you can't blame anyone because these series generate ridiculous amount of money, for ex this series is worth approx 130 ish millions.

I absolutely love watching his reactions these days since he doesn't cross the line anymore like in the past.

[bryant.coleman]

I absolutely love watching his reactions these days since he doesn't cross the line anymore like in the past.

Even during the second test, he created some controversy. While batting, he tried to sledge James Anderson. A few balls later, he got out to Sam Curran.

https://twitter.com/TanmaySh18/status/1427796008310689800

Anyway, these things don't matter as long as India is winning matches. But I don't expect the good times to last forever. Kolhi is already having a very poor record in ICC tournaments and the defeat during WTC finals was the latest one. If the team performs poorly in the T20 World Cup, then questions will be asked about his behavior.