ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[blatchcorn]

Even Kohli is facing the worst time of his career but still having very strong back up from his team and current management is very good he can fight back anytime in near future because we have a very long history of bad patches of great batsmen, and they fight back done good for their respective teams same can happen here in Kohli.

This current ODI series is second worst of his career as second time he fails to have average in single digit, but with this all he is still very elegant player who can perform few more years for his team and country in very good way. Rohit Sharma is going to with him in this bad time is something very important for this great player of current era.

The question is how long Indian team will wait for kohli to return to his form? Are they going to wait for indefinite period. There is lot of talent lined up why not give some new talent a chance to perform while kohli goes back and recover his form in domestic cricket. Rohit Sharma won't be siding him forever if kohli continues such form.

[laurenB7742]

Even Kohli is facing the worst time of his career but still having very strong back up from his team and current management is very good he can fight back anytime in near future because we have a very long history of bad patches of great batsmen, and they fight back done good for their respective teams same can happen here in Kohli.
This current ODI series is second worst of his career as second time he fails to have average in single digit, but with this all he is still very elegant player who can perform few more years for his team and country in very good way. Rohit Sharma is going to with him in this bad time is something very important for this great player of current era.

The question is how long Indian team will wait for kohli to return to his form? Are they going to wait for indefinite period. There is lot of talent lined up why not give some new talent a chance to perform while kohli goes back and recover his form in domestic cricket. Rohit Sharma won't be siding him forever if kohli continues such form.

I think that it is just him having a bad time then we really should not blame Kohli because he is facing some tough times right now and ideally think that every player should concentrate on his mental health which is really important for a player to perform well and consistently. And obviously, if a player has a bad series it's not going to be the end of his career, right?

[romero121]

Even Kohli is facing the worst time of his career but still having very strong back up from his team and current management is very good he can fight back anytime in near future because we have a very long history of bad patches of great batsmen, and they fight back done good for their respective teams same can happen here in Kohli.
This current ODI series is second worst of his career as second time he fails to have average in single digit, but with this all he is still very elegant player who can perform few more years for his team and country in very good way. Rohit Sharma is going to with him in this bad time is something very important for this great player of current era.

The question is how long Indian team will wait for kohli to return to his form? Are they going to wait for indefinite period. There is lot of talent lined up why not give some new talent a chance to perform while kohli goes back and recover his form in domestic cricket. Rohit Sharma won't be siding him forever if kohli continues such form.

I think that it is just him having a bad time then we really should not blame Kohli because he is facing some tough times right now and ideally think that every player should concentrate on his mental health which is really important for a player to perform well and consistently. And obviously, if a player has a bad series it's not going to be the end of his career, right?

Yes, Kohli will surely come back to form. This time it is taking more time. For a long Kohli is the one that is driving India towards win on majority of the matches. Whenever Kohli lacks performance that match would be really a tough one for India. As said players performance used to vary between time. Now Kohli is experiencing it and the return seems to be more powerful.

[ReiMomo]

Total 18 ODI innings and he scored 9 fifties. He's victim of his own records.

He is not going to be dropped atleast in ODIs as Rohit Sharma Laughs Off Concerns Regarding Virat Kohli, Says Team Management Not Worried At All. Rohit sharma pays back what kohli gave to Rohit sharma in T20 WC. I don't think due to his performance he deserves a slot in Indian squad.

Even Kohli is facing the worst time of his career but still having very strong back up from his team and current management is very good he can fight back anytime in near future because we have a very long history of bad patches of great batsmen, and they fight back done good for their respective teams same can happen here in Kohli.

This current ODI series is second worst of his career as second time he fails to have average in single digit, but with this all he is still very elegant player who can perform few more years for his team and country in very good way. Rohit Sharma is going to with him in this bad time is something very important for this great player of current era.

Could see the openers were not on track as expected in the 2nd ODI but yes the players from the middle orders were really awesome. Surya and Rahul supported and lead the score move up much faster though wickets were falling down back to back. But every player did contribute 2 digit of scores added to the table. Since its a game, even a good player will go out without any score. Yes Rohit has to tune himself on areas he is bit lacking. Rohit must keep aside his captain-ship aside when he is on pitch and play confidently as he always does. I am sure the openers including Kohli will be focusing on their performance in the upcoming ODI. Will wait and see.

[teosanru]

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The only thing West Indies can be proud of after this series is their bowling line-up. They were able to bowl India all out in 2 out 3 games. This indicates that they bowling attack is still pretty good and that also on Indian pitches which are always more helpful for the batsmen and 300+ scores are easily manageable here. West Indies stopped India at around 250s in both matches. But obviously batting front they were miserable. It's not that their complete batting line-up is very bad. There are a few players who have made their names in leagues around the world but still they have failed miserably in India. I think t20 might be a better and favourable platform for WI, I am not expecting t20s to be a cakewalk for Indian team.

In T20 West Indies will be a different team and will be competitive. It is true that i was surprised with the way in which West Indies bowled throughout the series, Indian batting looks really weak but then the tail end players always take the team to respectable target which is a good sign but the top order was struggling and in all the matches they kept rotating players which i do not understand.

I think India was treating this series like a warm up series for upcoming tours, they knew no matter what happens they are going to win this series for sure so one can try out different combinations to see which one works the best. I feel the experiment failed though in each of the match because top order batsmen couldn't really do that well. But the worry now India should have is that if we performed like this against West Indies what will happen to the batting against big teams.

[Tony116]

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On the other hand, India's top order failed even today. The collection of the first 3 batsmen was only 23 runs. For a long time now we have been seeing weak top order in India.

Perhaps time has come to drop Kohli? When was the last time that he scored a century in an international match? As usual the middle and lower middle order rescued India. Washington Sundar and Deepak Chahar made crucial contributions. On the other hand, the West Indies bowlers once again displayed their incompetence in cleaning up the tail. And I never had any expectations from the West Indies batsmen. They are not suitable for any format other than T20 and as expected they were bowled out in less than 40 overs.  

His last ODI century came in 2019, that year he scored 7 tons. 5 in ODI and 2 in Tests. After that everything went down the hill as far as his next ton is concern.
But dropping him sounds strange.
2020 ODI ( 9 innings) 16 , 76, 91, 63, 25, 12, 21, 87, 78
2021 ODI ( 3 innings) 60, 79, 10
2022 ODI  ( 6 innings) 51, 5, 65, 8, 18, 0
Total 18 ODI innings and he scored 9 fifties. He's victim of his own records.

I think that if West Indies could have done a little better with their bowling they might have had a chance because they also know that they are not that best-suited team for ODI in terms of batting.
But I also wonder if dropping Kohli would be the best decision!! Everyone should have a little more faith in him.

[7788bitcoin]

Even Kohli is facing the worst time of his career but still having very strong back up from his team and current management is very good he can fight back anytime in near future because we have a very long history of bad patches of great batsmen, and they fight back done good for their respective teams same can happen here in Kohli.

Virat Kohli was having having a dream run for a very long time and even during that period he was well aware that he would be going through a lean patch during his career and that is what is going on in his career right now. He will tweak his flaws and i am sure he will be back in form in a short period of time and one bad serious does not mean anything, he will be back in form.

[Maidak]

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On the other hand, India's top order failed even today. The collection of the first 3 batsmen was only 23 runs. For a long time now we have been seeing weak top order in India.

Perhaps time has come to drop Kohli? When was the last time that he scored a century in an international match? As usual the middle and lower middle order rescued India. Washington Sundar and Deepak Chahar made crucial contributions. On the other hand, the West Indies bowlers once again displayed their incompetence in cleaning up the tail. And I never had any expectations from the West Indies batsmen. They are not suitable for any format other than T20 and as expected they were bowled out in less than 40 overs.  

His last ODI century came in 2019, that year he scored 7 tons. 5 in ODI and 2 in Tests. After that everything went down the hill as far as his next ton is concern.
But dropping him sounds strange.
2020 ODI ( 9 innings) 16 , 76, 91, 63, 25, 12, 21, 87, 78
2021 ODI ( 3 innings) 60, 79, 10
2022 ODI  ( 6 innings) 51, 5, 65, 8, 18, 0
Total 18 ODI innings and he scored 9 fifties. He's victim of his own records.

I actually remembered that innings in which he scored 91. He really looked set to get a hundred but unfortunately, he chopped the ball onto the stamps and lost his wicket. That was really unlucky, to be honest.
Anyway, @Tony116 I don't think dropping him would be the best decision and yes everyone should have a little more faith in a player like him.

[DanWalker]

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Indian batting looks really weak but then the tail end players always take the team to respectable target which is a good sign but the top order was struggling and in all the matches they kept rotating players which i do not understand.

Even with rotating players and none of their main bowlers are in the squad and still they are able to defend small totals. Usually in Indian wickets we expect high scoring matches but none of the matches produced big scores which was a real disappointment and West Indies batting is really pathetic as they are not even able to score anything meaningful throughout the series.

West Indies batting lineup is really not that good in my opinion at the moment and they are bowling lineup is also OK-ish. I'm in there really doesn't seem to be a good win condition or a player who can make the difference in the West Indies squad at the moment. And India has performed really consistently in the series even though they are top order were not able to prove themselves.

[perfect999]

Even Kohli is facing the worst time of his career but still having very strong back up from his team and current management is very good he can fight back anytime in near future because we have a very long history of bad patches of great batsmen, and they fight back done good for their respective teams same can happen here in Kohli.

Virat Kohli was having having a dream run for a very long time and even during that period he was well aware that he would be going through a lean patch during his career and that is what is going on in his career right now. He will tweak his flaws and i am sure he will be back in form in a short period of time and one bad serious does not mean anything, he will be back in form.

They are also humans with having all concerns like we have so without any doubt he is facing some bad time in his batting and now with recently few bad management from BCCI and few his own faults making things more terrible so just because of these all he is feeling more pressure.

With this all Indian cricket team having one of the worst schedule because we all can check how these players are living and doing things these all have impact mentality and physically on them even they are professional with better skills and having better environment about this all. Virat Kohli without any doubt legendary cricketer of this era, and he can fight back in near future as he still has nearly 3 or 4 years for international cricket and few more good years in his IPL career but right now he needs something very positive for this all change.

[Sithara007]

West Indies batting lineup is really not that good in my opinion at the moment and they are bowling lineup is also OK-ish. I'm in there really doesn't seem to be a good win condition or a player who can make the difference in the West Indies squad at the moment. And India has performed really consistently in the series even though they are top order were not able to prove themselves.

India did OK, but the top order batting was not impressive. But in the end, they won all the three matches and gained 30 points in the 2020–2023 ICC Cricket World Cup Super League. Now India has 79 points from 12 matches (they are at 4th position currently). As of now, Sri Lanka, South Africa and Zimbabwe are the teams that are in danger of failing to finish outside the top-8 (in that case they don't get automatic qualification for the 2023 CWC). For India, the next ODI series is against Afghanistan (next month).

[blatchcorn]

India did OK, but the top order batting was not impressive. But in the end, they won all the three matches and gained 30 points in the 2020–2023 ICC Cricket World Cup Super League. Now India has 79 points from 12 matches (they are at 4th position currently). As of now, Sri Lanka, South Africa and Zimbabwe are the teams that are in danger of failing to finish outside the top-8 (in that case they don't get automatic qualification for the 2023 CWC). For India, the next ODI series is against Afghanistan (next month).

I don't know how this super league works since teams like Bangladesh and Ireland are at number 2 and 4 respectively while Pakistan and NZ are at 9 and 12 respectively. These are based on number of matches but how these matches are scheduled? NZ has only played 3 matches while Bangladesh has 12 and Ireland 18 matches.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Even Kohli is facing the worst time of his career but still having very strong back up from his team and current management is very good he can fight back anytime in near future because we have a very long history of bad patches of great batsmen, and they fight back done good for their respective teams same can happen here in Kohli.

Virat Kohli was having having a dream run for a very long time and even during that period he was well aware that he would be going through a lean patch during his career and that is what is going on in his career right now. He will tweak his flaws and i am sure he will be back in form in a short period of time and one bad serious does not mean anything, he will be back in form.

They are also humans with having all concerns like we have so without any doubt he is facing some bad time in his batting and now with recently few bad management from BCCI and few his own faults making things more terrible so just because of these all he is feeling more pressure.
With this all Indian cricket team having one of the worst schedule because we all can check how these players are living and doing things these all have impact mentality and physically on them even they are professional with better skills and having better environment about this all. Virat Kohli without any doubt legendary cricketer of this era, and he can fight back in near future as he still has nearly 3 or 4 years for international cricket and few more good years in his IPL career but right now he needs something very positive for this all change.

Virat Kohli is undeniably one of the greatest players to play cricket in this era. I really believe that he has the capability of making a comeback very soon.

But one thing I don't understand about the fans is that when the players are doing well everyone seems to support them but when the player is not doing so good, the fans start to hate on the players and that is the time when the players need the support of his fans the most. 

[Theones]

Virat Kohli is undeniably one of the greatest players to play cricket in this era. I really believe that he has the capability of making a comeback very soon.

But one thing I don't understand about the fans is that when the players are doing well everyone seems to support them but when the player is not doing so good, the fans start to hate on the players and that is the time when the players need the support of his fans the most. 

Be its cricket or any other game you need to remain in form and deliver otherwise you will be replaced. Nobody cheers for the player who continuously give no performance. If you see stats of kohli then as a regular batsman he scored his last ton in 2019, even then he is part of team and recently Rohit Sharma saying Kohli will be part of the ODI team.

[Minor Miner]

West Indies batting lineup is really not that good in my opinion at the moment and they are bowling lineup is also OK-ish. I'm in there really doesn't seem to be a good win condition or a player who can make the difference in the West Indies squad at the moment. And India has performed really consistently in the series even though they are top order were not able to prove themselves.

India did OK, but the top order batting was not impressive. But in the end, they won all the three matches and gained 30 points in the 2020–2023 ICC Cricket World Cup Super League. Now India has 79 points from 12 matches (they are at 4th position currently). As of now, Sri Lanka, South Africa and Zimbabwe are the teams that are in danger of failing to finish outside the top-8 (in that case they don't get automatic qualification for the 2023 CWC). For India, the next ODI series is against Afghanistan (next month).

I think there shouldn't be any problem for India to win the series against Afghanistan also.
Considering the state that Afghanistan is in right now as a country I don't think they will be able to do too good in that series.
But, I would also like India to improve their top-order batting also. We know that Afghanistan has a really good spin attack but that might not be enough to stop India, I think.

[Theones]

I think there shouldn't be any problem for India to win the series against Afghanistan also.
Considering the state that Afghanistan is in right now as a country I don't think they will be able to do too good in that series.
But, I would also like India to improve their top-order batting also. We know that Afghanistan has a really good spin attack but that might not be enough to stop India, I think.

I think I read same before India tour to South Africa that it will be a piece of cake for India but India lost both Test and ODI series.
Afghanistan is coming to India for playing 3 ODIs and since its home soil for Indian players, that's a big plus for them since they rarely lose on there own pitches. But we still cant rule out the fact that Afghanistan can do some upset.

[7788bitcoin]

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I think I read same before India tour to South Africa that it will be a piece of cake for India but India lost both Test and ODI series.
Afghanistan is coming to India for playing 3 ODIs and since its home soil for Indian players, that's a big plus for them since they rarely lose on there own pitches. But we still cant rule out the fact that Afghanistan can do some upset.

The expectation for India's tour of South Africa was there because South Africa was literally having a much weaker side and India toured Australia and England and everyone expected the South African tour would be a cake walk but South Africa played really well and showed they can still depend any team in their background.

When it comes to home series, it is a difficult to defeat India if they are playing with their best squad and since they are experimenting with the team all the time giving opportunities to young players and if they think that they need to try young talents then there is a chance for Afghanistan to defeat India, if not it is a hard task for them.

[Sithara007]

I think I read same before India tour to South Africa that it will be a piece of cake for India but India lost both Test and ODI series.
Afghanistan is coming to India for playing 3 ODIs and since its home soil for Indian players, that's a big plus for them since they rarely lose on there own pitches. But we still cant rule out the fact that Afghanistan can do some upset.

Afghanistan still can't be compared to the other test playing nations. They started playing cricket very recently and the first national team was established in the 1990s. On the other hand, South Africa has a cricketing history of more than two centuries and even now they are one of the best in the world. Their poor performance at the international level is not because they don't have talent. Rather, it is due to the fact that a number of their best players emigrate to other countries such as New Zealand and England to escape the quota system.

[og kush420]

Afghanistan still can't be compared to the other test playing nations. They started playing cricket very recently and the first national team was established in the 1990s. On the other hand, South Africa has a cricketing history of more than two centuries and even now they are one of the best in the world. Their poor performance at the international level is not because they don't have talent. Rather, it is due to the fact that a number of their best players emigrate to other countries such as New Zealand and England to escape the quota system.

I think south Africa past out standing performance was also due to immigrants players that immigrated to south Africa from some other countries. Now what we are seeing is more native player in south africa team. How old or new a team is doesnt matter, good thing about afghan team is that its 100% native players.

[Swordsoffreedom]

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I think I read same before India tour to South Africa that it will be a piece of cake for India but India lost both Test and ODI series.
Afghanistan is coming to India for playing 3 ODIs and since its home soil for Indian players, that's a big plus for them since they rarely lose on there own pitches. But we still cant rule out the fact that Afghanistan can do some upset.

The expectation for India's tour of South Africa was there because South Africa was literally having a much weaker side and India toured Australia and England and everyone expected the South African tour would be a cake walk but South Africa played really well and showed they can still depend any team in their background.

When it comes to home series, it is a difficult to defeat India if they are playing with their best squad and since they are experimenting with the team all the time giving opportunities to young players and if they think that they need to try young talents then there is a chance for Afghanistan to defeat India, if not it is a hard task for them.

I think against Afghanistan, India is going to try their luck and give the new players a chance to play for the national side and also look how the players do who are new to the international scene.
And I think that will surely give the opponent a good chance of beating India. Back I don't think that India is going to face that much problem from Afghanistan.

Afghanistan still can't be compared to the other test playing nations. They started playing cricket very recently and the first national team was established in the 1990s. On the other hand, South Africa has a cricketing history of more than two centuries and even now they are one of the best in the world. Their poor performance at the international level is not because they don't have talent. Rather, it is due to the fact that a number of their best players emigrate to other countries such as New Zealand and England to escape the quota system.

South Africa is still one of the best teams to play cricket ever. Over the years they have produced a lot of quality cricketers like Jacques Kallis, AB de Villiers, Quinton de Kock, Hashim Amla, and a lot of others.

But they have a lot of problems with their board. And the quota system is absolutely bad for the overall cricket in South Africa. A Lot of young prospects are not being able to show what they are worth for this system.