ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[kro55]

Bangladesh management should have been responsible for the young talented players even earlier. And taking the right steps to make them experienced. But I don't think Bangladesh coach Russell Domingo is paying too much attention to young players. Several young players have been playing with the Bangladesh squad for a long time. But they are not being able to perform as well as expected. Russell Domingo is responsible for this failure.

LOL.. what is the point in blaming the coach? The coach can only pick from the available pool of players. If none of the younger players are performing well in a consistent manner, then what else can he do about it? It is the responsibility of the BCB to groom younger players and give them enough exposure through A team tours. BTW, how many Bangladesh A team tours were organized during the last 2-3 years? When you pick players directly from the sub-standard domestic system and then include them in the national side all of a sudden, it may not work as expected.

Blaming the coach is unproductive but Kro55 was right in his former part tho which you also mentioned.

Do they even tour as Bangladesh A team? They are next to us and i've never heard any news of them visiting India for any Ind A vs Ban A tours.

The Bangladesh cricket world is not very interested in developing young players. It is not a Bangladesh cricket board in my opinion right now. It has become the Bangladesh national team board because the only thing that they ever care about right now is the national team.

And recently they had been a few problems with some senior players and the coach which should not have happened. I actually blame both the coach and the player for this because just because he is a senior player doesn’t mean he cannot play other roles for the team. And just because you are the coach it is not necessary that a player is going to be good at what you tell him to do. Talking about Mushfiqur Rahim by the way.

@JSRAW, They very rarely do tours as the Bangladesh A-Team. I don’t even remember when they did tour as Bangladesh A team. But whenever they do it feels like they are not improving very much.

[BobK71]

Personally I don't think that Bangladesh will face the same fate as that of Kenya or Canada. Corruption is there, but there is a lot of talent in Bangladesh. But competing against the big-4 requires consistency in addition to talent. At this point, I can't find anyone in the Bangladeshi squad who is consistent. Litton Das is the one who comes close to being consistent. Shakib al Hasan was consistent until a few years ago, but he seems to have lost his mojo. Among the bowlers, Mustafizur Rahman is comparatively better, but again not quite there.

Right now I feel like the golden years of Bangladesh cricket are behind them. I am talking about the 2015-2019 era. Bangladesh was playing really well under that captaincy of Mashrafe bin Mortaza. He lead Bangladesh very well and Bangladesh started winning a lot more as soon as he came in as the captain of Bangladesh cricket team.

After him, I don’t think anyone was actually successful as that captain of Bangladesh and the team also suffered a lot. It is also true that almost all the Bangladesh players are really inconsistent. And Shakib al Hassan is also getting old. So, that is going to be a big concern for Bangladesh cricket.

Agree, i deserve that there is no coordination with the national cricket team, the coaches and the cricket board. Some senior cricketers also have ego problems. Another thing is that they give new players less opportunities. At the same time, they are not interested in making new cricketers. The condition of the cricketers in Bangladesh will be much worse when the current national team cricketers goes to retirement. So cricket board should take necessary steps early. 

[laurenB7742]

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Shakib is 35 years old.. he is a spin bowling allrounder, and therefore we can assume that he has another 3-4 years of international career remaining with him. But he has underperformed with his international career. Partly due to his attitude, and partly due to the lack of support from the cricket board. And I agree with you on Mashrafe bin Mortaza. He was one of the best Bangladesh ever produced. But unfortunately for the BCB, he was more interested in politics when compared to cricket (if I am not wrong, he is a member of the parliament).

Mashrafe bin Mortaza is a member of the parliament. And as far as I know from social media, he is a very successful leader for his people as he was also a successful leader for the Bangladesh cricket team.

I don’t know if anyone here saw that last match of Mashrafe bin Mortaza. He said that if Shakib Al Hasan was not banned at that time and if Shakib was present in Bangladesh he might not have retired and he said that on the microphone. I am sure that he was forced to stop playing cricket.

At that point, I understood Bangladesh cricket board is only interested in money and nothing else. And that is the main reason why Shakib Al Hassan has a lot of problems with the Bangladesh cricket board.

[JSRAW]

Blaming the coach is unproductive but Kro55 was right in his former part tho which you also mentioned.

Do they even tour as Bangladesh A team? They are next to us and i've never heard any news of them visiting India for any Ind A vs Ban A tours.

The Bangladesh cricket world is not very interested in developing young players. It is not a Bangladesh cricket board in my opinion right now. It has become the Bangladesh national team board because the only thing that they ever care about right now is the national team.

And recently they had been a few problems with some senior players and the coach which should not have happened. I actually blame both the coach and the player for this because just because he is a senior player doesn’t mean he cannot play other roles for the team. And just because you are the coach it is not necessary that a player is going to be good at what you tell him to do. Talking about Mushfiqur Rahim by the way.

@JSRAW, They very rarely do tours as the Bangladesh A-Team. I don’t even remember when they did tour as Bangladesh A team. But whenever they do it feels like they are not improving very much.

Well both BCB and National team are representing Bangladesh so i don't see anything wrong in it.

Every team goes through these short of ups and down so that i can understand but biggest let down is after 2 decades they are still not consistent enough and hardly anyone takes their test squad seriously, they used to be strong competitor at home but that's also changing in recent years (they are still competitive in limited overs tho). Shakib recently said that Ban as a cricketing nation failed to bring Test culture, guess he was pointing fingers towards sorry state of domestic cricket.

[LittleBitFunny]

Personally I don't think that Bangladesh will face the same fate as that of Kenya or Canada. Corruption is there, but there is a lot of talent in Bangladesh. But competing against the big-4 requires consistency in addition to talent. At this point, I can't find anyone in the Bangladeshi squad who is consistent. Litton Das is the one who comes close to being consistent. Shakib al Hasan was consistent until a few years ago, but he seems to have lost his mojo. Among the bowlers, Mustafizur Rahman is comparatively better, but again not quite there.

Right now I feel like the golden years of Bangladesh cricket are behind them. I am talking about the 2015-2019 era. Bangladesh was playing really well under that captaincy of Mashrafe bin Mortaza. He lead Bangladesh very well and Bangladesh started winning a lot more as soon as he came in as the captain of Bangladesh cricket team.
After him, I don’t think anyone was actually successful as that captain of Bangladesh and the team also suffered a lot. It is also true that almost all the Bangladesh players are really inconsistent. And Shakib al Hassan is also getting old. So, that is going to be a big concern for Bangladesh cricket.

Agree, i deserve that there is no coordination with the national cricket team, the coaches and the cricket board. Some senior cricketers also have ego problems. Another thing is that they give new players less opportunities. At the same time, they are not interested in making new cricketers. The condition of the cricketers in Bangladesh will be much worse when the current national team cricketers goes to retirement. So cricket board should take necessary steps early. 

The current performance of Bangladesh cricketers is not good. Young players are being given opportunities, but they are failing to perform well. Although Anamul Haque has done well in the domestic league, he has been failing along with the national team. The BCB should organize more domestic leagues and find talented players for their national team.

[Sithara007]

Well both BCB and National team are representing Bangladesh so i don't see anything wrong in it.

Every team goes through these short of ups and down so that i can understand but biggest let down is after 2 decades they are still not consistent enough and hardly anyone takes their test squad seriously, they used to be strong competitor at home but that's also changing in recent years (they are still competitive in limited overs tho). Shakib recently said that Ban as a cricketing nation failed to bring Test culture, guess he was pointing fingers towards sorry state of domestic cricket.

Nailed it. Domestic cricket is in very poor shape. Club-based domestic cricket setup never works, because rather than caring about the development of younger players, clubs usually care only about money. On top of that, clubs prefer T20, because that is the major revenue earner for them. Dhaka club cricket is a very high profile setup, and a lot of foreign players take part in it every year. BCB recently came up with region-based competition, which included 4-day matches as well. But this setup was not very successful. And Dhaka based clubs were complaining about it.

[minairia3]

Well both BCB and National team are representing Bangladesh so i don't see anything wrong in it.
Every team goes through these short of ups and down so that i can understand but biggest let down is after 2 decades they are still not consistent enough and hardly anyone takes their test squad seriously, they used to be strong competitor at home but that's also changing in recent years (they are still competitive in limited overs tho). Shakib recently said that Ban as a cricketing nation failed to bring Test culture, guess he was pointing fingers towards sorry state of domestic cricket.

Nailed it. Domestic cricket is in very poor shape. Club-based domestic cricket setup never works, because rather than caring about the development of younger players, clubs usually care only about money. On top of that, clubs prefer T20, because that is the major revenue earner for them. Dhaka club cricket is a very high profile setup, and a lot of foreign players take part in it every year. BCB recently came up with region-based competition, which included 4-day matches as well. But this setup was not very successful. And Dhaka based clubs were complaining about it.

I would say the main reason for the failure of the BCB is corruption. Although the BCB spends a lot of money, the players are not getting benefits due to corruption. Secondly, you mentioned club cricket in Bangladesh. Despite the fact that Bangladeshi clubs have improved enough, Bangladesh is not getting talented young players. The main reason for this is that there is a lot of fixing in club cricket. And it's an open secret to read. Lots of talented players have been lost due to fixing.

[Rigon]

Well both BCB and National team are representing Bangladesh so i don't see anything wrong in it.
Every team goes through these short of ups and down so that i can understand but biggest let down is after 2 decades they are still not consistent enough and hardly anyone takes their test squad seriously, they used to be strong competitor at home but that's also changing in recent years (they are still competitive in limited overs tho). Shakib recently said that Ban as a cricketing nation failed to bring Test culture, guess he was pointing fingers towards sorry state of domestic cricket.

Nailed it. Domestic cricket is in very poor shape. Club-based domestic cricket setup never works, because rather than caring about the development of younger players, clubs usually care only about money. On top of that, clubs prefer T20, because that is the major revenue earner for them. Dhaka club cricket is a very high profile setup, and a lot of foreign players take part in it every year. BCB recently came up with region-based competition, which included 4-day matches as well. But this setup was not very successful. And Dhaka based clubs were complaining about it.

I would say the main reason for the failure of the BCB is corruption. Although the BCB spends a lot of money, the players are not getting benefits due to corruption. Secondly, you mentioned club cricket in Bangladesh. Despite the fact that Bangladeshi clubs have improved enough, Bangladesh is not getting talented young players. The main reason for this is that there is a lot of fixing in club cricket. And it's an open secret to read. Lots of talented players have been lost due to fixing.

In ODI cricket, Bangladesh has already achieved a lot of success. A few days ago, Bangladesh went to the field of South Africa and defeated South Africa and won the series. I think it is a big achievement for Bangladesh because Bangladesh has never won a series on South African soil before. If BCB puts more focus on Bangladesh cricket then I think Bangladesh will get more improvement in ODI cricket.

[Rigon]

Personally I don't think that Bangladesh will face the same fate as that of Kenya or Canada. Corruption is there, but there is a lot of talent in Bangladesh. But competing against the big-4 requires consistency in addition to talent. At this point, I can't find anyone in the Bangladeshi squad who is consistent. Litton Das is the one who comes close to being consistent. Shakib al Hasan was consistent until a few years ago, but he seems to have lost his mojo. Among the bowlers, Mustafizur Rahman is comparatively better, but again not quite there.

Right now I feel like the golden years of Bangladesh cricket are behind them. I am talking about the 2015-2019 era. Bangladesh was playing really well under that captaincy of Mashrafe bin Mortaza. He lead Bangladesh very well and Bangladesh started winning a lot more as soon as he came in as the captain of Bangladesh cricket team.
After him, I don’t think anyone was actually successful as that captain of Bangladesh and the team also suffered a lot. It is also true that almost all the Bangladesh players are really inconsistent. And Shakib al Hassan is also getting old. So, that is going to be a big concern for Bangladesh cricket.

Agree, i deserve that there is no coordination with the national cricket team, the coaches and the cricket board. Some senior cricketers also have ego problems. Another thing is that they give new players less opportunities. At the same time, they are not interested in making new cricketers. The condition of the cricketers in Bangladesh will be much worse when the current national team cricketers goes to retirement. So cricket board should take necessary steps early. 

The current performance of Bangladesh cricketers is not good. Young players are being given opportunities, but they are failing to perform well. Although Anamul Haque has done well in the domestic league, he has been failing along with the national team. The BCB should organize more domestic leagues and find talented players for their national team.

The Bangladesh Cricket Team and the Bangladesh Cricket Board are currently at loggerheads. Due to such rivalry between the cricket board and the players, the Bangladesh cricket team is currently performing very poorly on the field. I think we should work together to eliminate the rift between the players and the cricket board and move forward to give the Bangladesh cricket team the highest status in the world.

[eaLiTy]

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The Bangladesh Cricket Team and the Bangladesh Cricket Board are currently at loggerheads. Due to such rivalry between the cricket board and the players, the Bangladesh cricket team is currently performing very poorly on the field. I think we should work together to eliminate the rift between the players and the cricket board and move forward to give the Bangladesh cricket team the highest status in the world.

I am not sure whether there is a rivalry between the Bangladesh players and their Cricket board and hence they are performing badly. Players are always disposable and the board can always replace a player who is not performing better, only Shakib Al Hasan has some sort of dispute with the board as far as i understand and the only reason he is able to do so is because he is the best player Bangladesh produced.

[Sithara007]

I am not sure whether there is a rivalry between the Bangladesh players and their Cricket board and hence they are performing badly. Players are always disposable and the board can always replace a player who is not performing better, only Shakib Al Hasan has some sort of dispute with the board as far as i understand and the only reason he is able to do so is because he is the best player Bangladesh produced.

It's not just Shakib. Most of the senior players are not happy with how things are being run by the BCB. And in most of the South Asian countries, the cricket boards are not really independent. There will be a lot of political interference. This is true in the case of all the 4 major cricket boards - BCB, BCCI, PCB and SLCB. Unfortunately, the payers suffer as a result of this. At some point, the ICC needs to step in. As per the ICC rules, cricket boards should be independent bodies, and if political interference is there, then the funds will be put on hold.

[kro55]

Well both BCB and National team are representing Bangladesh so i don't see anything wrong in it.
Every team goes through these short of ups and down so that i can understand but biggest let down is after 2 decades they are still not consistent enough and hardly anyone takes their test squad seriously, they used to be strong competitor at home but that's also changing in recent years (they are still competitive in limited overs tho). Shakib recently said that Ban as a cricketing nation failed to bring Test culture, guess he was pointing fingers towards sorry state of domestic cricket.

There is another big problem in Bangladesh cricket and that is the players don’t think of cricket as a job. They play cricket like it’s a hobby and that is never going to be good for a team. And other players take cricket as it is a way of getting popular and getting into modeling. What I am trying to say is very rarely do the Bangladesh cricketers take their job seriously. The only player who has taken their job seriously till now how are Shakib Al Hasan, Mushfiqur Rahim, and Mashrafe Mortaza. And we probably can also include the name of Mahmudullah and Tamim.

Nailed it. Domestic cricket is in very poor shape. Club-based domestic cricket setup never works, because rather than caring about the development of younger players, clubs usually care only about money. On top of that, clubs prefer T20, because that is the major revenue earner for them. Dhaka club cricket is a very high profile setup, and a lot of foreign players take part in it every year. BCB recently came up with region-based competition, which included 4-day matches as well. But this setup was not very successful. And Dhaka based clubs were complaining about it.

The domestic setup in Bangladesh is not good at all. For some reason, I think that BCB doesn’t care too much about it. The club system is just a way to make money, and after that comes the problem of fixing. A lot of good players are not getting the chances that they need. After that, there are the players who play well but support opposition parties in politics, no chance for them in Bangladesh at all. After all those bullshitteries even if a player comes forward and plays really well, BCB doesn't like him for some reason. This is basically the situation of Bangladesh cricket in a nutshell.

[Smack That Ace]

I am not sure whether there is a rivalry between the Bangladesh players and their Cricket board and hence they are performing badly. Players are always disposable and the board can always replace a player who is not performing better, only Shakib Al Hasan has some sort of dispute with the board as far as i understand and the only reason he is able to do so is because he is the best player Bangladesh produced.

It's not just Shakib. Most of the senior players are not happy with how things are being run by the BCB. And in most of the South Asian countries, the cricket boards are not really independent. There will be a lot of political interference. This is true in the case of all the 4 major cricket boards - BCB, BCCI, PCB and SLCB. Unfortunately, the payers suffer as a result of this. At some point, the ICC needs to step in. As per the ICC rules, cricket boards should be independent bodies, and if political interference is there, then the funds will be put on hold.

Cricket and any other sports will always be influenced by politics in any country regardless of the region. We all know what happened because of the Russia-Ukraine war and how it affected the football World Cup. Russia is not being able to take part in World Cup football.

Anyway, In Bangladesh, even the president of BCB is someone who is not fit or recommended for the job but he is still the president of the Bangladesh cricket board. When a person who is not fit for a certain job tries to do something about which he has no idea, it’s going to cause a lot of problems with the players that know what they are doing. And that’s basically what happened in Bangladesh cricket.


Duke.

[BobK71]

I am not sure whether there is a rivalry between the Bangladesh players and their Cricket board and hence they are performing badly. Players are always disposable and the board can always replace a player who is not performing better, only Shakib Al Hasan has some sort of dispute with the board as far as i understand and the only reason he is able to do so is because he is the best player Bangladesh produced.

It's not just Shakib. Most of the senior players are not happy with how things are being run by the BCB. And in most of the South Asian countries, the cricket boards are not really independent. There will be a lot of political interference. This is true in the case of all the 4 major cricket boards - BCB, BCCI, PCB and SLCB. Unfortunately, the payers suffer as a result of this. At some point, the ICC needs to step in. As per the ICC rules, cricket boards should be independent bodies, and if political interference is there, then the funds will be put on hold.

Cricket and any other sports will always be influenced by politics in any country regardless of the region. We all know what happened because of the Russia-Ukraine war and how it affected the football World Cup. Russia is not being able to take part in World Cup football.

Anyway, In Bangladesh, even the president of BCB is someone who is not fit or recommended for the job but he is still the president of the Bangladesh cricket board. When a person who is not fit for a certain job tries to do something about which he has no idea, it’s going to cause a lot of problems with the players that know what they are doing. And that’s basically what happened in Bangladesh cricket.

I support the statement. Bangladesh cricket got its rhythm a few years ago but now it doesn't feel good for cricketers to interact with the board. Moreover, Bangladesh cricket seems to be an acknowledgment of politics. We may have heard the name of Mohammad Ashraful who holds the record for the youngest century in Test cricket. He alligated to fixing and did not get any more cricket place after finishing punishment. He did not even have a place in Bangladesh's T20 league BPL. But he was fit with high score in the physical test. If a country's cricket board does not have the qualifications according to the position, then nothing good can be expected there.

[rojan]

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The Bangladesh Cricket Team and the Bangladesh Cricket Board are currently at loggerheads. Due to such rivalry between the cricket board and the players, the Bangladesh cricket team is currently performing very poorly on the field. I think we should work together to eliminate the rift between the players and the cricket board and move forward to give the Bangladesh cricket team the highest status in the world.

I am not sure whether there is a rivalry between the Bangladesh players and their Cricket board and hence they are performing badly. Players are always disposable and the board can always replace a player who is not performing better, only Shakib Al Hasan has some sort of dispute with the board as far as i understand and the only reason he is able to do so is because he is the best player Bangladesh produced.

I agree with you.  Because of him, Bangladesh player Shakib-al-Hasan is a good player. If he plays very well, I think he may be restrained. I don't know exactly, but I know that he is a very good player. He plays very well and he is an all-rounder.  I like his game a lot.

[Sithara007]

I support the statement. Bangladesh cricket got its rhythm a few years ago but now it doesn't feel good for cricketers to interact with the board. Moreover, Bangladesh cricket seems to be an acknowledgment of politics. We may have heard the name of Mohammad Ashraful who holds the record for the youngest century in Test cricket. He alligated to fixing and did not get any more cricket place after finishing punishment. He did not even have a place in Bangladesh's T20 league BPL. But he was fit with high score in the physical test. If a country's cricket board does not have the qualifications according to the position, then nothing good can be expected there.

I never support players who are accused of match fixing. If Mohammad Ashraful got involved in fixing, then the BCB did the right thing by dropping him from the squad. That said, Shakib was also suspended for alleged links with bookies. But his case was different. He was not directly involved in match fixing and I had a feeling that he was being made a scapegoat. The BCB went ballistic after Shakib, by banning him from all forms of cricket for a year. And in the end the performance of the Bangladesh team got negatively impacted.

[Webetcoins]

I support the statement. Bangladesh cricket got its rhythm a few years ago but now it doesn't feel good for cricketers to interact with the board. Moreover, Bangladesh cricket seems to be an acknowledgment of politics. We may have heard the name of Mohammad Ashraful who holds the record for the youngest century in Test cricket. He alligated to fixing and did not get any more cricket place after finishing punishment. He did not even have a place in Bangladesh's T20 league BPL. But he was fit with high score in the physical test. If a country's cricket board does not have the qualifications according to the position, then nothing good can be expected there.

I never support players who are accused of match fixing. If Mohammad Ashraful got involved in fixing, then the BCB did the right thing by dropping him from the squad. That said, Shakib was also suspended for alleged links with bookies. But his case was different. He was not directly involved in match fixing and I had a feeling that he was being made a scapegoat. The BCB went ballistic after Shakib, by banning him from all forms of cricket for a year. And in the end the performance of the Bangladesh team got negatively impacted.

I agree with this we never like players like these in game because they are killing beauty and sportsman ship of this game, no one want to give them any role in any field related to cricket because this will create good example for many others those are coming and having their future in this game.

Bangladesh has this setback, and they are paying for this as well even I am not in Bangladesh, but I read on social media and some other media sources there is corruption in domestic setup which is having big impact on their all setup and just because of this they fail to achieve their targets with political influence in not easy to settle things now countries need setup like Australia where they give good independence to all Spots Authorities, and they are producing world-class players and athletes.

[dezoel]

I am not sure whether there is a rivalry between the Bangladesh players and their Cricket board and hence they are performing badly. Players are always disposable and the board can always replace a player who is not performing better, only Shakib Al Hasan has some sort of dispute with the board as far as i understand and the only reason he is able to do so is because he is the best player Bangladesh produced.

It's not just Shakib. Most of the senior players are not happy with how things are being run by the BCB. And in most of the South Asian countries, the cricket boards are not really independent. There will be a lot of political interference. This is true in the case of all the 4 major cricket boards - BCB, BCCI, PCB and SLCB. Unfortunately, the payers suffer as a result of this. At some point, the ICC needs to step in. As per the ICC rules, cricket boards should be independent bodies, and if political interference is there, then the funds will be put on hold.

Sadly we are in South Asia having never been good sportsperson's in terms of bringing merit and best results for teams mostly when teams going to have good results we read inner politics and many other negative tactics by management to bring things down drastically even most of the time eleven out of eleven trying to have captaincy cap with no talent and skills. On other side, in Western countries or Australians are much better in this way as they prepare their players for having better concentration on their own game plane instead of going in other ways which help them positively, and they are able to bring much better results for their countries.

Political influence in this area is having his own impacts as well, just because of this we are much behind no in world even from few other Asian countries which are working on merit and having strong political system which is not having any role in sports.

[pakhitheboss]

Newzealand VS Ireland
Three ODI matches will be played. A good opportunity for the Irish team. They played well with India in two T20 matches which India won. I know this ODI series will be won by Newzealand but it will be an interesting series considering the previous performance of the Irish side.

[Sithara007]

Newzealand VS Ireland
Three ODI matches will be played. A good opportunity for the Irish team. They played well with India in two T20 matches which India won. I know this ODI series will be won by Newzealand but it will be an interesting series considering the previous performance of the Irish side.

It maters a lot for the Irish, because they need to win at least one of the matches to remain in top-8 position in the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup Super League. Right now they have 68 points from 18 matches and that is simply not enough. They have 6 matches remaining, and need to win at least 2 of these matches. If they fail to do that, then they may need to play the qualifier tournament for next year's ODI world cup. As of now, Sri Lanka is slightly behind with 62 points from 18 matches. And South Africa have 49 from 13.