ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[Sithara007]

I was actually shocked when I saw that Zimbabwe does not even have a sponsor for their bat. I actually noticed that before they tweeted about it. I believe it was Sikandar Raza who tweeted about not having a sponsor.

So probably it is time for ICC to actually concentrate on the smaller teams who have high potential instead of giving money to those who make the whole team out of foreigners. No doubt this was a magnificent performance from Zimbabwe regardless of which team they faced. A win is a win no matter what. And I also believe this shows the terrible situation in which Bangladesh cricket is in right now.

To be honest, it is not the problem for ICC. First of all, Zimbabwe receives around 60x in ICC funds when compared to some of the more promising teams such as Nepal and Kenya. Even after receiving so much funds, if the Zimbabwean board can't find a sponsor, then it is their issue. I am against the idea of pouring even more funds in to the Zimbabwean black hole. And I never thought that availability of funds are one of the major issues with Zimbabwe. Their major issues are political interference and corruption in the board.

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[jostorres]

Bangladesh Cricket Board is richer than New Zealand, West Indies and even South Africa cricket board. Even so, their performance is much weaker than these three teams. Even now they are losing badly against teams like Zimbabwe. Despite having a lot of money, the board is not taking any effective steps for the development of cricket or the development of the players. Even after the players enjoy huge salaries and perks, they cannot perform as expected.

They need to strengthen their domestic leagues and structure. It will be a good idea to get some top T20 players from around the world to participate in the domestic BPL tournament. Also, they need to strengthen their A and U-19 teams. When was the last time these teams played against other international teams? There is simply no accountability and no one knows how the millions of USD worth of funds that they receive every year from the ICC is spent. IMO, the ICC needs to step in and take some concrete actions.

Corruption is the biggest issue in Bangladesh sports, and they are not having any good system to manage this all which is surely a nightmare for country like this which is having good success in development and now rising on good way with some good developments and better ideas are working for them, but sadly their sports are on decline because political influence is hurting them badly same happening in BCB they can do many things in positive way but fail to do as they have no professional peoples for this all most of them are sitting on political basis and trying to fill their own pockets.

As BPL is doing, and they have good funds they can bring revolutionary changes in their cricketing system which could be brought good investment in future with many quality cricketers as well but no one dare to do this all just speeches and announcements happening.

[dezoel]

I was actually shocked when I saw that Zimbabwe does not even have a sponsor for their bat. I actually noticed that before they tweeted about it. I believe it was Sikandar Raza who tweeted about not having a sponsor.

So probably it is time for ICC to actually concentrate on the smaller teams who have high potential instead of giving money to those who make the whole team out of foreigners. No doubt this was a magnificent performance from Zimbabwe regardless of which team they faced. A win is a win no matter what. And I also believe this shows the terrible situation in which Bangladesh cricket is in right now.

There are many issues around this country which are surely bringing some big troubles for them so having no bat sponsor is not the biggest concern because recently they were badly down and out with corruption and political influence are creating troubles with now as South Africa they are also having quota system for white and colored cricketers and their domestic set up is also having nothing specials for anyone many good players are already out of country or having other jobs for better future.

ICC can't do anything for having better sponsor because it's not their duty it's all needed to do by their own board and local authorities but as things are going in Zimbabwe most chances they are not going to have any positive change in near future.

[eaLiTy]

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Bangladesh Cricket Board is richer than New Zealand, West Indies and even South Africa cricket board. Even so, their performance is much weaker than these three teams. Even now they are losing badly against teams like Zimbabwe. Despite having a lot of money, the board is not taking any effective steps for the development of cricket or the development of the players. Even after the players enjoy huge salaries and perks, they cannot perform as expected

Bangladesh is developing as a cricketing nation and money alone does not produce exceptional talents  . They have their Bangladesh Cricket League and hopefully they will be finding players of quality like Shakib Al Hasan, but it is a long process of grooming young talents.

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To be honest, it is not the problem for ICC. First of all, Zimbabwe receives around 60x in ICC funds when compared to some of the more promising teams such as Nepal and Kenya. Even after receiving so much funds, if the Zimbabwean board can't find a sponsor, then it is their issue. I am against the idea of pouring even more funds in to the Zimbabwean black hole. And I never thought that availability of funds are one of the major issues with Zimbabwe. Their major issues are political interference and corruption in the board.

ICC funds and sponsorship has nothing to do with each other , you need to attract a company to invest in them and it depends about the reach the cricket team gets in Zimbabwe and if a company thinks that they can attract more people by sponsoring their Cricket team, they would have already done that.

[Iranus]

I was actually shocked when I saw that Zimbabwe does not even have a sponsor for their bat. I actually noticed that before they tweeted about it. I believe it was Sikandar Raza who tweeted about not having a sponsor.

So probably it is time for ICC to actually concentrate on the smaller teams who have high potential instead of giving money to those who make the whole team out of foreigners. No doubt this was a magnificent performance from Zimbabwe regardless of which team they faced. A win is a win no matter what. And I also believe this shows the terrible situation in which Bangladesh cricket is in right now.

To be honest, it is not the problem for ICC. First of all, Zimbabwe receives around 60x in ICC funds when compared to some of the more promising teams such as Nepal and Kenya. Even after receiving so much funds, if the Zimbabwean board can't find a sponsor, then it is their issue. I am against the idea of pouring even more funds in to the Zimbabwean black hole. And I never thought that availability of funds are one of the major issues with Zimbabwe. Their major issues are political interference and corruption in the board.

I agree with you. Zimbabwe's problems are their own internal problems. ICC should not intervene here and provide additional funds. Zimbabwe has been playing cricket for a long time. They are not a new team. They are not getting sponsors because there are a lot of irregularities and corruption on their board. And the most important thing is that Zimbabwean cricket is being destroyed due to political interference. And it has been going on for a long time.

[Tony116]

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Bangladesh Cricket Board is richer than New Zealand, West Indies and even South Africa cricket board. Even so, their performance is much weaker than these three teams. Even now they are losing badly against teams like Zimbabwe. Despite having a lot of money, the board is not taking any effective steps for the development of cricket or the development of the players. Even after the players enjoy huge salaries and perks, they cannot perform as expected

Bangladesh is developing as a cricketing nation and money alone does not produce exceptional talents  . They have their Bangladesh Cricket League and hopefully they will be finding players of quality like Shakib Al Hasan, but it is a long process of grooming young talents.

As far as I know in countries like Bangladesh, India and Pakistan their main sport is cricket. A large section of people in the country loves cricket. And so India and Bangladesh can earn a lot of money from sponsors. Despite adequate funding and people's interest in cricket, there is no improvement in cricket in Bangladesh. This is mainly due to the inefficiency of their board leaders. They are failing to find talented players. And talented players are not able to maintain their form long after joining the squad.

[Sithara007]

ICC funds and sponsorship has nothing to do with each other , you need to attract a company to invest in them and it depends about the reach the cricket team gets in Zimbabwe and if a company thinks that they can attract more people by sponsoring their Cricket team, they would have already done that.

Well.. I agree. I was just saying that ICC should not spend any more of their funds on Zimbabwe cricket. They are getting much more than what they deserve. If they can't find a sponsor, then it is their problem. Anyway, in the next funding cycle (2024-31), I would like to see a sharp reduction in allocation to Zimbabwe and some of those funds diverted to more promising nations such as Nepal, Papua New Guinea, Argentina, Iran, Indonesia and Brazil. We'll get an idea about it probably next month, when the auction for ICC media rights will get completed.

[GigaBit]

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Bangladesh Cricket Board is richer than New Zealand, West Indies and even South Africa cricket board. Even so, their performance is much weaker than these three teams. Even now they are losing badly against teams like Zimbabwe. Despite having a lot of money, the board is not taking any effective steps for the development of cricket or the development of the players. Even after the players enjoy huge salaries and perks, they cannot perform as expected

Bangladesh is developing as a cricketing nation and money alone does not produce exceptional talents  . They have their Bangladesh Cricket League and hopefully they will be finding players of quality like Shakib Al Hasan, but it is a long process of grooming young talents.

As far as I know in countries like Bangladesh, India and Pakistan their main sport is cricket. A large section of people in the country loves cricket. And so India and Bangladesh can earn a lot of money from sponsors. Despite adequate funding and people's interest in cricket, there is no improvement in cricket in Bangladesh. This is mainly due to the inefficiency of their board leaders. They are failing to find talented players. And talented players are not able to maintain their form long after joining the squad.

How is it possible if there is corruption at the initial stage from which the talented players will be taken out? As far as I know, there are arenas of corruption at every stage of Bangladesh cricket. First of all, Bangladesh cricket should take a corruption-free position. Otherwise, cricket in that country will be at the bottom there is no doubt about it.

[JSRAW]

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Bangladesh Cricket Board is richer than New Zealand, West Indies and even South Africa cricket board. Even so, their performance is much weaker than these three teams. Even now they are losing badly against teams like Zimbabwe. Despite having a lot of money, the board is not taking any effective steps for the development of cricket or the development of the players. Even after the players enjoy huge salaries and perks, they cannot perform as expected

Bangladesh is developing as a cricketing nation and money alone does not produce exceptional talents  . They have their Bangladesh Cricket League and hopefully they will be finding players of quality like Shakib Al Hasan, but it is a long process of grooming young talents.

Lol BCB is famous for dehumanising their cricket great. Shakib is one of their all time great and considered GOAT but look how they treat him from time to time.

Nowadays new controversy came into light only due to arrogance of management. Shakib signed some deal with Betting platform, betting is banned there. Instead of talking and convincing him they threatened him of canceling his contract from the national team.

[Sithara007]

Lol BCB is famous for dehumanising their cricket great. Shakib is one of their all time great and considered GOAT but look how they treat him from time to time.

Nowadays new controversy came into light only due to arrogance of management. Shakib signed some deal with Betting platform, betting is banned there. Instead of talking and convincing him they threatened him of canceling his contract from the national team.

Players such as Mashrafe never faced this issue. What is the real reason for all this bad blood between the BCB and Shakib al Hasan? I still remember the BCB handing him a one year ban, just because there was a delay from his part in reporting the approach by a bookie during IPL (he was playing for Sunrisers Hyderabad at that time). He could have been let off with a warning, because he never indulged in any sort of match fixing. But the BCB handed him a one year ban, and he couldn't play international cricket during this period.

[BobK71]

It seems that Zimbabwe did not take this match seriously because they already had won the series with Bangladesh. I am saying this because no one can expect Zimbabwe could lose by more than 100 runs. It was a golden chance for Zimbabwe to clean sweep and make history but they did not avail of it. Nevertheless, they have won the series, and this want matters in the end.

I don't think that their attitude was different from what they had in the initial matches. They are playing without their best bowler (Blessing Muzarabani, out injured). And apart from a few players such as Sikandar Raza, Wessly Madhevere, Luke Jongwe and Richard Ngarava, most of the playing XI was composed of very inexperienced players. Regis Chakabva couldn't play because of injury and Craig Ervine and Sean Williams were not available for selection. Can't expect Zimbabwe to win, when they are playing without most of their regular players.

It's pretty clear that Zimbabwe squad missing out lots of regular players, and they suffered. Additionally Bangladeshi bowlers moved forward with ball to stay away from clean sweep. Like Mustafizur, Hussain, Islam stepped up once again. Bangladesh has bounce back, and that was normal. If Zimbabwe batted as previous the outcome could have different.

Bangladesh lost their series in the second match. They will naturally want to win the last match. But if Zimbabwe had come to the field with their full strength, they could have defeated Bangladesh in this match as well. It was their one chance but they failed to utilize it at the end. Through these two series, Zimbabwe has shown the world that their position is not over, their position in the world cricket is getting stronger.

I never expected Zimbabwe to win a single match as I was in the impression that Bangladesh was a better team in ODI. Still Zimbabwe batters played exceptionally well and they won back to back two matches all thanks to Raza and their captain. Ultimately they were supposed to lose the last match.

Zimbabwe batting line-up is undoubtedly great. When they lost 4 wickets in the 2nd ODI match I think everyone thought Zimbabwe would lose the match today. But looking at their batting style in that match, it seems that they are very much mature like top three countries of the player. After all that would be their good come back to the cricket.

[JSRAW]

Lol BCB is famous for dehumanising their cricket great. Shakib is one of their all time great and considered GOAT but look how they treat him from time to time.

Nowadays new controversy came into light only due to arrogance of management. Shakib signed some deal with Betting platform, betting is banned there. Instead of talking and convincing him they threatened him of canceling his contract from the national team.

Players such as Mashrafe never faced this issue. What is the real reason for all this bad blood between the BCB and Shakib al Hasan? I still remember the BCB handing him a one year ban, just because there was a delay from his part in reporting the approach by a bookie during IPL (he was playing for Sunrisers Hyderabad at that time). He could have been let off with a warning, because he never indulged in any sort of match fixing. But the BCB handed him a one year ban, and he couldn't play international cricket during this period.

Shakib and management both are in fault here, specially the director.

IDK the exact reason how it started but every party act like a child every time. Shakib do have some disciplinary issue and on the other hand it seems that director just doesn't like him.

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Management won, Shakib dropped the sponsorship deal with the betting company.

[coinerer]

It seems that Zimbabwe did not take this match seriously because they already had won the series with Bangladesh. I am saying this because no one can expect Zimbabwe could lose by more than 100 runs. It was a golden chance for Zimbabwe to clean sweep and make history but they did not avail of it. Nevertheless, they have won the series, and this want matters in the end.

I don't think that their attitude was different from what they had in the initial matches. They are playing without their best bowler (Blessing Muzarabani, out injured). And apart from a few players such as Sikandar Raza, Wessly Madhevere, Luke Jongwe and Richard Ngarava, most of the playing XI was composed of very inexperienced players. Regis Chakabva couldn't play because of injury and Craig Ervine and Sean Williams were not available for selection. Can't expect Zimbabwe to win, when they are playing without most of their regular players.

It's pretty clear that Zimbabwe squad missing out lots of regular players, and they suffered. Additionally Bangladeshi bowlers moved forward with ball to stay away from clean sweep. Like Mustafizur, Hussain, Islam stepped up once again. Bangladesh has bounce back, and that was normal. If Zimbabwe batted as previous the outcome could have different.

Bangladesh lost their series in the second match. They will naturally want to win the last match. But if Zimbabwe had come to the field with their full strength, they could have defeated Bangladesh in this match as well. It was their one chance but they failed to utilize it at the end. Through these two series, Zimbabwe has shown the world that their position is not over, their position in the world cricket is getting stronger.

I never expected Zimbabwe to win a single match as I was in the impression that Bangladesh was a better team in ODI. Still Zimbabwe batters played exceptionally well and they won back to back two matches all thanks to Raza and their captain. Ultimately they were supposed to lose the last match.

Zimbabwe batting line-up is undoubtedly great. When they lost 4 wickets in the 2nd ODI match I think everyone thought Zimbabwe would lose the match today. But looking at their batting style in that match, it seems that they are very much mature like top three countries of the player. After all that would be their good come back to the cricket.

Bangladesh gave Zimbabwe a target of 157 runs in the game on August 10. Although Zimbabwe try to play well that day, they could not win by a long runs in the last time. Bangladesh scored 256 runs in 50 overs.  Zimbabwe managed to score 152 runs in 32.2 overs.  But they could not hold their wicket. Even if Zimbabwe can't win against Bangladesh.  I expected a better game from Zimbabwe but they didn't do it

[SirLancelot]

Players such as Mashrafe never faced this issue. What is the real reason for all this bad blood between the BCB and Shakib al Hasan? I still remember the BCB handing him a one year ban, just because there was a delay from his part in reporting the approach by a bookie during IPL (he was playing for Sunrisers Hyderabad at that time). He could have been let off with a warning, because he never indulged in any sort of match fixing. But the BCB handed him a one year ban, and he couldn't play international cricket during this period.

Shakib and management both are in fault here, specially the director.

IDK the exact reason how it started but every party act like a child every time. Shakib do have some disciplinary issue and on the other hand it seems that director just doesn't like him.
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Management won, Shakib dropped the sponsorship deal with the betting company.

Shakib is surely currently one of the most followed cricketer in Bangladesh and just because of this he is treating things like shit many times complaints against his behavior and off the field things going against him warnings and bans are also happened but still most of the time he has done things for having some media intention and create problems for himself and BCB which is surely a big negative point for this great player.

Shakib needs to be an ideal player for his country and role model for millions others, but sadly he has never done anything for this and mostly create problems for BCB and live in controversies which have big impact on his career negatively now recent betting company deal even stopped but still a poor decision from him as he never needs to follow things like this.

[rojan]

It seems that Zimbabwe did not take this match seriously because they already had won the series with Bangladesh. I am saying this because no one can expect Zimbabwe could lose by more than 100 runs. It was a golden chance for Zimbabwe to clean sweep and make history but they did not avail of it. Nevertheless, they have won the series, and this want matters in the end.

I don't think that their attitude was different from what they had in the initial matches. They are playing without their best bowler (Blessing Muzarabani, out injured). And apart from a few players such as Sikandar Raza, Wessly Madhevere, Luke Jongwe and Richard Ngarava, most of the playing XI was composed of very inexperienced players. Regis Chakabva couldn't play because of injury and Craig Ervine and Sean Williams were not available for selection. Can't expect Zimbabwe to win, when they are playing without most of their regular players.

It's pretty clear that Zimbabwe squad missing out lots of regular players, and they suffered. Additionally Bangladeshi bowlers moved forward with ball to stay away from clean sweep. Like Mustafizur, Hussain, Islam stepped up once again. Bangladesh has bounce back, and that was normal. If Zimbabwe batted as previous the outcome could have different.

Bangladesh lost their series in the second match. They will naturally want to win the last match. But if Zimbabwe had come to the field with their full strength, they could have defeated Bangladesh in this match as well. It was their one chance but they failed to utilize it at the end. Through these two series, Zimbabwe has shown the world that their position is not over, their position in the world cricket is getting stronger.

I never expected Zimbabwe to win a single match as I was in the impression that Bangladesh was a better team in ODI. Still Zimbabwe batters played exceptionally well and they won back to back two matches all thanks to Raza and their captain. Ultimately they were supposed to lose the last match.

Zimbabwe batting line-up is undoubtedly great. When they lost 4 wickets in the 2nd ODI match I think everyone thought Zimbabwe would lose the match today. But looking at their batting style in that match, it seems that they are very much mature like top three countries of the player. After all that would be their good come back to the cricket.

Bangladesh gave Zimbabwe a target of 157 runs in the game on August 10. Although Zimbabwe try to play well that day, they could not win by a long runs in the last time. Bangladesh scored 256 runs in 50 overs.  Zimbabwe managed to score 152 runs in 32.2 overs.  But they could not hold their wicket. Even if Zimbabwe can't win against Bangladesh.  I expected a better game from Zimbabwe but they didn't do it

I think some games of Bangladeshi players were rahul they took wrong decision some players but played so bad game that beyond saying i think all idiots of Bangladeshi players can't play well in any game there are some girls who get up in them they win again those who  They have to win very important matches but they don't play well and they return home defeated.  I think Bangladesh players play very bad game so I don't want to watch their game.

[KennyR]

Zimbabwe batting line-up is undoubtedly great. When they lost 4 wickets in the 2nd ODI match I think everyone thought Zimbabwe would lose the match today. But looking at their batting style in that match, it seems that they are very much mature like top three countries of the player. After all that would be their good come back to the cricket.

Zimbabwe batting line-up is good, but in the third match from the start things didn't go well. The opening order didn't perform well. Further in the middle order Raza didn't score runs, and the bottom lineup helped in reaching 150 runs. On the Bangladesh side, the starting and the bottom lineup made good scores and thats the reason it was able to reach 256 runs even when there is continued fall of wickets.

[topman21]

Zimbabwe batting line-up is undoubtedly great. When they lost 4 wickets in the 2nd ODI match I think everyone thought Zimbabwe would lose the match today. But looking at their batting style in that match, it seems that they are very much mature like top three countries of the player. After all that would be their good come back to the cricket.

Zimbabwe batting line-up is good, but in the third match from the start things didn't go well. The opening order didn't perform well. Further in the middle order Raza didn't score runs, and the bottom lineup helped in reaching 150 runs. On the Bangladesh side, the starting and the bottom lineup made good scores and thats the reason it was able to reach 256 runs even when there is continued fall of wickets.

Between Bangladesh and Zimbabwe each match run score has been very good for almost every team. 303 in the first match in the first innings Target was good enough. But if Bangladesh's fielding was better than Bangladesh's batting, then the match could have been Bangladesh's. But does not try to find the weak points of Bangladesh.

[Sithara007]

Shakib and management both are in fault here, specially the director.

IDK the exact reason how it started but every party act like a child every time. Shakib do have some disciplinary issue and on the other hand it seems that director just doesn't like him.

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Management won, Shakib dropped the sponsorship deal with the betting company.

Irrespective of who started it, in the end it was Shakib and Bangladesh cricket who suffered. And I don't think that the director faced any fallout from all these confrontations. I have heard comments about Shakib's attitude. During the Dhaka T20 league, he had an altercation with the umpires. Before that, there were similar incidents during some of the domestic matches. But that doesn't provide excuse to BCB for mistreating such a good player. Because of their adamant nature, their own cricket team got impacted.

[pakhitheboss]

Lol BCB is famous for dehumanising their cricket great. Shakib is one of their all time great and considered GOAT but look how they treat him from time to time.

Nowadays new controversy came into light only due to arrogance of management. Shakib signed some deal with Betting platform, betting is banned there. Instead of talking and convincing him they threatened him of canceling his contract from the national team.

Shakib and management both are in fault here, specially the director.

IDK the exact reason how it started but every party act like a child every time. Shakib do have some disciplinary issue and on the other hand it seems that director just doesn't like him.

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Management won, Shakib dropped the sponsorship deal with the betting company.

I am not sure why in the first instance Shakib went for such an advertisement campaign. I am sure he knows the law of his country and those who have been managing his PR should have straight away should have said no to such a campaign. In this situation, I am going to support the board than the player. I am happy that he came back to his senses otherwise he could have been awarded harsh punishment from both government and the board.

[BobK71]

Lol BCB is famous for dehumanising their cricket great. Shakib is one of their all time great and considered GOAT but look how they treat him from time to time.

Nowadays new controversy came into light only due to arrogance of management. Shakib signed some deal with Betting platform, betting is banned there. Instead of talking and convincing him they threatened him of canceling his contract from the national team.

Shakib and management both are in fault here, specially the director.

IDK the exact reason how it started but every party act like a child every time. Shakib do have some disciplinary issue and on the other hand it seems that director just doesn't like him.

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Management won, Shakib dropped the sponsorship deal with the betting company.

I am not sure why in the first instance Shakib went for such an advertisement campaign. I am sure he knows the law of his country and those who have been managing his PR should have straight away should have said no to such a campaign. In this situation, I am going to support the board than the player. I am happy that he came back to his senses otherwise he could have been awarded harsh punishment from both government and the board.

There is no doubt Shakib Al Hasan is a good cricketer but the way he acted in a senseless manner that is surprising. As per the rules of Bangladesh Cricket Board, this activity is out of the rules, so why did he knowingly do this. It is definitely a crime. Bangladesh cricket board (BCB) was adamant here either he will cancel the contract or He will be released from Bangladesh cricket. He said he will cancel his contract and return to the Bangladesh team.