[ANN][VRC] VeriCoin Proof of Stake-Time Currency | New Roadmap Released

[barabbas]

....
That is is you want to have a guaranteed successful 51% attack...than 51% of the total coins STAKING....

barabbas you know that there are systems like PPC NOVA are using to prevent small amounts to make 51% attack
they are preventing it because of stake modyficators time stamps many  other combined solutions that only core coders understand not you...
At the end you have centralized CHECKPOINTs and no 51% attack is possible because of that...
POS system is not like just that you have 51%of stake and you will attack...
look how Nova is preventing 51% attack with having only 25% coins those technologies are known...
in fact when you have centralized checkpoint you are safe from 2x spend cause checkpoint servers will chose right chain for you...
Stop telling how you know POS while you are far away from tech aspects of case.
I am noob too but i know "a little more".


Tech info below ( BC in POS 2.0 pushed even further those security ... )
____________________

http://coinwiki.info/en/Novacoin
Stake generation issues
The main proof-of-stake design problem is that unlike proof-of-work hashing rate, stake weight could be used multiple times without any overhead. It allows potential attacker to repeat his attempts to generate consecutive stakes until he will get lucky enough. And there is high probability to success without holding large stake, 20–25% of total weight (not coins) will be more than enough. Attacker can retry his attempts to generate consecutive stakes 1,000, 50,000, or 1 million times without any problem, using the same outputs.[12][13]
This could be worked around using centralized check-pointing. Novacoin creators resolved this issue using balanced weighting scheme.[14]

Centralized check pointing
As PPCoin ideas descendant, Novacoin is not truly a decentralized currency as it still requires centralized check pointing to avoid several issues.[15] The Novacoin developer has announced however that this check pointing is only a temporary measure which will be removed once the currency grows sufficiently stable. The centralized checkpoints feature could be disabled manually using -nosynccheckpoints option for official client.

Blade, your post is so poorly written I don't understand a single thing you try to say (and, for once, they seem to be some interesting things being intended to be said there), so please try again. Give yourself a bit more time, maybe re-read and then post. I am not being sarcastinc, just read your post and you will see what I mean.

Besides that, it's difficult to understand why would you want me to "Stop telling how you know POS". I only post what I know and tech specs are not it. But I do know that if you control 51% of staking coins, you can perpetrate a 100% successful attack. And that if you have much less than 51% you still can perpetrate attacks that will eventually stand a good chance of being successful. If PPC or Nova have solutions for this, I don't know but I don't doubt it. What I read you posted seem, on first approach, for from an ideal solution -and not much different from rolling back actually-, but I may not "get" it completely...

In any case, you seem to want to avoid addressing the fact that someone or some group controlling 4.5 million (roughly 20% of total VRC and surely over 40, maybe even 50% of VRC STAKING poses a clear and present danger of a 51% attack, thefts and security failures at exchanges notwithstanding. I also would be quite interested in your personal opinion -if I can understand your answer, that is-, about the "generosity" towards VRC, and stake in it, of "Mr Boricua Man" for he played for quite a long time in YOUR field...Oh, and by the way, that field is on its way to extinction, as you are beginning to see now, so as an example to VRC, which is on the way up, up up and just starting, it simply cannot "work"/ Sorry for, as you know, I simply love the logo... but there's nothing else of any value there.

[Bitcycle]

Volume on Mintpal is low for a weekday, for every coin.

Did everyone bail out of MP over the VRC thing?

[bigc1984]

i don't get why hacker doesn't dump everywhere when the fork is announced

there is a good chance he traded most of the stolen coins or used it to purchase items at which point he gets to keep whatever he purchased and everyone gets their coins back... not cool.

[buy4crypto]

....
That is is you want to have a guaranteed successful 51% attack...than 51% of the total coins STAKING....

barabbas you know that there are systems like PPC NOVA are using to prevent small amounts to make 51% attack
they are preventing it because of stake modyficators time stamps many  other combined solutions that only core coders understand not you...
At the end you have centralized CHECKPOINTs and no 51% attack is possible because of that...
POS system is not like just that you have 51%of stake and you will attack...
look how Nova is preventing 51% attack with having only 25% coins those technologies are known...
in fact when you have centralized checkpoint you are safe from 2x spend cause checkpoint servers will chose right chain for you...
Stop telling how you know POS while you are far away from tech aspects of case.
I am noob too but i know "a little more".


Tech info below ( BC in POS 2.0 pushed even further those security ... )
____________________

http://coinwiki.info/en/Novacoin
Stake generation issues
The main proof-of-stake design problem is that unlike proof-of-work hashing rate, stake weight could be used multiple times without any overhead. It allows potential attacker to repeat his attempts to generate consecutive stakes until he will get lucky enough. And there is high probability to success without holding large stake, 20–25% of total weight (not coins) will be more than enough. Attacker can retry his attempts to generate consecutive stakes 1,000, 50,000, or 1 million times without any problem, using the same outputs.[12][13]
This could be worked around using centralized check-pointing. Novacoin creators resolved this issue using balanced weighting scheme.[14]

Centralized check pointing
As PPCoin ideas descendant, Novacoin is not truly a decentralized currency as it still requires centralized check pointing to avoid several issues.[15] The Novacoin developer has announced however that this check pointing is only a temporary measure which will be removed once the currency grows sufficiently stable. The centralized checkpoints feature could be disabled manually using -nosynccheckpoints option for official client.

Blade, your post is so poorly written I don't understand a single thing you try to say (and, for once, they seem to be some interesting things being intended to be said there), so please try again. Give yourself a bit more time, maybe re-read and then post. I am not being sarcastinc, just read your post and you will see what I mean.

Besides that, it's difficult to understand why would you want me to "Stop telling how you know POS". I only post what I know and tech specs are not it. But I do know that if you control 51% of staking coins, you can perpetrate a 100% successful attack. And that if you have much less than 51% you still can perpetrate attacks that will eventually stand a good chance of being successful. If PPC or Nova have solutions for this, I don't know but I don't doubt it. What I read you posted seem, on first approach, for from an ideal solution -and not much different from rolling back actually-, but I may not "get" it completely...

In any case, you seem to want to avoid addressing the fact that someone or some group controlling 4.5 million (roughly 20% of total VRC and surely over 40, maybe even 50% of VRC STAKING poses a clear and present danger of a 51% attack, thefts and security failures at exchanges notwithstanding. I also would be quite interested in your personal opinion -if I can understand your answer, that is-, about the "generosity" towards VRC, and stake in it, of "Mr Boricua Man" for he played for quite a long time in YOUR field...Oh, and by the way, that field is on its way to extinction, as you are beginning to see now, so as an example to VRC, which is on the way up, up up and just starting, it simply cannot "work"/ Sorry for, as you know, I simply love the logo... but there's nothing else of any value there.

Please remember that Mintpal has stated officially that they don't mint POS coins.

Where does this large % come from?

Its only FUD, not FACT that you say in this case. and keep trying to go on. You are wrong on your principal, so stop before you continue on like its fact.


I see so many % symbols And I dont think 1 of them has any real meaning behind them other than being pulled out of air to make nice stories up.

[kleineaap]

i don't get why hacker doesn't dump everywhere when the fork is announced

there is a good chance he traded most of the stolen coins or used it to purchase items at which point he gets to keep whatever he purchased and everyone gets their coins back... not cool.

Please, do research before filling posts with ridiculous content. Is that too much to ask for?

[buy4crypto]

Volume on Mintpal is low for a weekday, for every coin.

Did everyone bail out of MP over the VRC thing?

I would, what coin is next ya know?

VRC saved every alt on that exchange, and all we get is trouble from the ones VRC saved.

Shows the true colors of the communities.


Guess who the ones are on the attack, all the anon coins that realize there market is already pumped and no more money goin into it longterm. They are mad that instead of there niche approach, VeriCoin goes mainstream and looks to have the momentum to really break out.

So what do they do? Attack, Its a sign of success. We just need to hold together through the waves of jealousy.

[abercrombie]

[buy4crypto]

http://strawpoll.me/2108265

its 72% now for fork

28% against

[EtherCoin]

Volume on Mintpal is low for a weekday, for every coin.

Did everyone bail out of MP over the VRC thing?

Last time I checked was 1,2xx or something like that, quite normal, but let's see tomorrow.

Eth.

[MAD945]

i don't get why hacker doesn't dump everywhere when the fork is announced

there is a good chance he traded most of the stolen coins or used it to purchase items at which point he gets to keep whatever he purchased and everyone gets their coins back... not cool.

Please, do research before filling posts with ridiculous content. Is that too much to ask for?

Don't open your mouth unless you know what your talking about...Veribit was disable when the attack happened, Veribit was not used to make any purchases with these stolen coins. Stolen coins never left the address they where sent to...only people getting back there coins are there rightfull owners. No merchant will be effected!

Now shut the fuck up and do some research...

[pm1978]

Volume on Mintpal is low for a weekday, for every coin.

Did everyone bail out of MP over the VRC thing?

I would, what coin is next ya know?

VRC saved every alt on that exchange, and all we get is trouble from the ones VRC saved.

Shows the true colors of the communities.


Guess who the ones are on the attack, all the anon coins that realize there market is already pumped and no more money goin into it longterm. They are mad that instead of there niche approach, VeriCoin goes mainstream and looks to have the momentum to really break out.

So what do they do? Attack, Its a sign of success. We just need to hold together through the waves of jealousy.

Sympathy is free, envy has to be earned!

[ljm81]

Hahaha, ok so basically this ann page has turn in to a load of babies crying cuz were still the best and the hack fail, get over it kiddy's we gained huge support from agreeing to do what we did, you aint seen nothing yet!!
IF its hurting that bad just let me know im sure i can cash out some of my vrc profit and buy you guys a box of dummies to help pacify your sorry asses.
Much love to my Veri fam,

[barabbas]

....
That is is you want to have a guaranteed successful 51% attack...than 51% of the total coins STAKING....

barabbas you know that there are systems like PPC NOVA are using to prevent small amounts to make 51% attack
they are preventing it because of stake modyficators time stamps many  other combined solutions that only core coders understand not you...
At the end you have centralized CHECKPOINTs and no 51% attack is possible because of that...
POS system is not like just that you have 51%of stake and you will attack...
look how Nova is preventing 51% attack with having only 25% coins those technologies are known...
in fact when you have centralized checkpoint you are safe from 2x spend cause checkpoint servers will chose right chain for you...
Stop telling how you know POS while you are far away from tech aspects of case.
I am noob too but i know "a little more".


Tech info below ( BC in POS 2.0 pushed even further those security ... )
____________________

http://coinwiki.info/en/Novacoin
Stake generation issues
The main proof-of-stake design problem is that unlike proof-of-work hashing rate, stake weight could be used multiple times without any overhead. It allows potential attacker to repeat his attempts to generate consecutive stakes until he will get lucky enough. And there is high probability to success without holding large stake, 20–25% of total weight (not coins) will be more than enough. Attacker can retry his attempts to generate consecutive stakes 1,000, 50,000, or 1 million times without any problem, using the same outputs.[12][13]
This could be worked around using centralized check-pointing. Novacoin creators resolved this issue using balanced weighting scheme.[14]

Centralized check pointing
As PPCoin ideas descendant, Novacoin is not truly a decentralized currency as it still requires centralized check pointing to avoid several issues.[15] The Novacoin developer has announced however that this check pointing is only a temporary measure which will be removed once the currency grows sufficiently stable. The centralized checkpoints feature could be disabled manually using -nosynccheckpoints option for official client.

Blade, your post is so poorly written I don't understand a single thing you try to say (and, for once, they seem to be some interesting things being intended to be said there), so please try again. Give yourself a bit more time, maybe re-read and then post. I am not being sarcastinc, just read your post and you will see what I mean.

Besides that, it's difficult to understand why would you want me to "Stop telling how you know POS". I only post what I know and tech specs are not it. But I do know that if you control 51% of staking coins, you can perpetrate a 100% successful attack. And that if you have much less than 51% you still can perpetrate attacks that will eventually stand a good chance of being successful. If PPC or Nova have solutions for this, I don't know but I don't doubt it. What I read you posted seem, on first approach, for from an ideal solution -and not much different from rolling back actually-, but I may not "get" it completely...

In any case, you seem to want to avoid addressing the fact that someone or some group controlling 4.5 million (roughly 20% of total VRC and surely over 40, maybe even 50% of VRC STAKING poses a clear and present danger of a 51% attack, thefts and security failures at exchanges notwithstanding. I also would be quite interested in your personal opinion -if I can understand your answer, that is-, about the "generosity" towards VRC, and stake in it, of "Mr Boricua Man" for he played for quite a long time in YOUR field...Oh, and by the way, that field is on its way to extinction, as you are beginning to see now, so as an example to VRC, which is on the way up, up up and just starting, it simply cannot "work"/ Sorry for, as you know, I simply love the logo... but there's nothing else of any value there.

Please remember that Mintpal has stated officially that they don't mint POS coins.

Where does this large % come from?

Its only FUD, not FACT that you say in this case. and keep trying to go on. You are wrong on your principal, so stop before you continue on like its fact.


I see so many % symbols And I dont think 1 of them has any real meaning behind them other than being pulled out of air to make nice stories up.

You are quite confused at this point. That's why you just avoid thinking. It's ok. Things will sink in. Eventually.

[kleineaap]

i don't get why hacker doesn't dump everywhere when the fork is announced

there is a good chance he traded most of the stolen coins or used it to purchase items at which point he gets to keep whatever he purchased and everyone gets their coins back... not cool.

Please, do research before filling posts with ridiculous content. Is that too much to ask for?

Don't open your mouth unless you know what your talking about...Veribit was disable when the attack happened, Veribit was not used to make any purchases with these stolen coins. Stolen coins never left the address they where sent to...only people getting back there coins are there rightfull owners. No merchant will be effected!

Now shut the fuck up and do some research...

Don't quote me but the idiot before, thanks.

[buy4crypto]

....
That is is you want to have a guaranteed successful 51% attack...than 51% of the total coins STAKING....

barabbas you know that there are systems like PPC NOVA are using to prevent small amounts to make 51% attack
they are preventing it because of stake modyficators time stamps many  other combined solutions that only core coders understand not you...
At the end you have centralized CHECKPOINTs and no 51% attack is possible because of that...
POS system is not like just that you have 51%of stake and you will attack...
look how Nova is preventing 51% attack with having only 25% coins those technologies are known...
in fact when you have centralized checkpoint you are safe from 2x spend cause checkpoint servers will chose right chain for you...
Stop telling how you know POS while you are far away from tech aspects of case.
I am noob too but i know "a little more".


Tech info below ( BC in POS 2.0 pushed even further those security ... )
____________________

http://coinwiki.info/en/Novacoin
Stake generation issues
The main proof-of-stake design problem is that unlike proof-of-work hashing rate, stake weight could be used multiple times without any overhead. It allows potential attacker to repeat his attempts to generate consecutive stakes until he will get lucky enough. And there is high probability to success without holding large stake, 20–25% of total weight (not coins) will be more than enough. Attacker can retry his attempts to generate consecutive stakes 1,000, 50,000, or 1 million times without any problem, using the same outputs.[12][13]
This could be worked around using centralized check-pointing. Novacoin creators resolved this issue using balanced weighting scheme.[14]

Centralized check pointing
As PPCoin ideas descendant, Novacoin is not truly a decentralized currency as it still requires centralized check pointing to avoid several issues.[15] The Novacoin developer has announced however that this check pointing is only a temporary measure which will be removed once the currency grows sufficiently stable. The centralized checkpoints feature could be disabled manually using -nosynccheckpoints option for official client.

Blade, your post is so poorly written I don't understand a single thing you try to say (and, for once, they seem to be some interesting things being intended to be said there), so please try again. Give yourself a bit more time, maybe re-read and then post. I am not being sarcastinc, just read your post and you will see what I mean.

Besides that, it's difficult to understand why would you want me to "Stop telling how you know POS". I only post what I know and tech specs are not it. But I do know that if you control 51% of staking coins, you can perpetrate a 100% successful attack. And that if you have much less than 51% you still can perpetrate attacks that will eventually stand a good chance of being successful. If PPC or Nova have solutions for this, I don't know but I don't doubt it. What I read you posted seem, on first approach, for from an ideal solution -and not much different from rolling back actually-, but I may not "get" it completely...

In any case, you seem to want to avoid addressing the fact that someone or some group controlling 4.5 million (roughly 20% of total VRC and surely over 40, maybe even 50% of VRC STAKING poses a clear and present danger of a 51% attack, thefts and security failures at exchanges notwithstanding. I also would be quite interested in your personal opinion -if I can understand your answer, that is-, about the "generosity" towards VRC, and stake in it, of "Mr Boricua Man" for he played for quite a long time in YOUR field...Oh, and by the way, that field is on its way to extinction, as you are beginning to see now, so as an example to VRC, which is on the way up, up up and just starting, it simply cannot "work"/ Sorry for, as you know, I simply love the logo... but there's nothing else of any value there.

Please remember that Mintpal has stated officially that they don't mint POS coins.

Where does this large % come from?

Its only FUD, not FACT that you say in this case. and keep trying to go on. You are wrong on your principal, so stop before you continue on like its fact.


I see so many % symbols And I dont think 1 of them has any real meaning behind them other than being pulled out of air to make nice stories up.

You are quite confused at this point. That's why you just avoid thinking. It's ok. Things will sink in. Eventually.

Do you understand or not, that the money in Mintpal was NOT being staked? So that your theories are based on nothing factual?

If you can't respond to this, I can't help you anymore. You will continue to lie.

[melfrecords]

Great work with the hard fork devs !!

This make me think all previous hacks were inside-jobs

Long live VeriCoin

[bigc1984]

Volume on Mintpal is low for a weekday, for every coin.

Did everyone bail out of MP over the VRC thing?

I would, what coin is next ya know?

VRC saved every alt on that exchange, and all we get is trouble from the ones VRC saved.

Shows the true colors of the communities.


Guess who the ones are on the attack, all the anon coins that realize there market is already pumped and no more money goin into it longterm. They are mad that instead of there niche approach, VeriCoin goes mainstream and looks to have the momentum to really break out.

So what do they do? Attack, Its a sign of success. We just need to hold together through the waves of jealousy.

All coins/crypto were attacked by VRC. Mintpal was suppose to get shut down and from that we were suppose to get better exchanges but since VRC bailed them out we get nothing. Selfish fucking cunts.

[barabbas]

....
That is is you want to have a guaranteed successful 51% attack...than 51% of the total coins STAKING....

barabbas you know that there are systems like PPC NOVA are using to prevent small amounts to make 51% attack
they are preventing it because of stake modyficators time stamps many  other combined solutions that only core coders understand not you...
At the end you have centralized CHECKPOINTs and no 51% attack is possible because of that...
POS system is not like just that you have 51%of stake and you will attack...
look how Nova is preventing 51% attack with having only 25% coins those technologies are known...
in fact when you have centralized checkpoint you are safe from 2x spend cause checkpoint servers will chose right chain for you...
Stop telling how you know POS while you are far away from tech aspects of case.
I am noob too but i know "a little more".


Tech info below ( BC in POS 2.0 pushed even further those security ... )
____________________

http://coinwiki.info/en/Novacoin
Stake generation issues
The main proof-of-stake design problem is that unlike proof-of-work hashing rate, stake weight could be used multiple times without any overhead. It allows potential attacker to repeat his attempts to generate consecutive stakes until he will get lucky enough. And there is high probability to success without holding large stake, 20–25% of total weight (not coins) will be more than enough. Attacker can retry his attempts to generate consecutive stakes 1,000, 50,000, or 1 million times without any problem, using the same outputs.[12][13]
This could be worked around using centralized check-pointing. Novacoin creators resolved this issue using balanced weighting scheme.[14]

Centralized check pointing
As PPCoin ideas descendant, Novacoin is not truly a decentralized currency as it still requires centralized check pointing to avoid several issues.[15] The Novacoin developer has announced however that this check pointing is only a temporary measure which will be removed once the currency grows sufficiently stable. The centralized checkpoints feature could be disabled manually using -nosynccheckpoints option for official client.

Blade, your post is so poorly written I don't understand a single thing you try to say (and, for once, they seem to be some interesting things being intended to be said there), so please try again. Give yourself a bit more time, maybe re-read and then post. I am not being sarcastinc, just read your post and you will see what I mean.

Besides that, it's difficult to understand why would you want me to "Stop telling how you know POS". I only post what I know and tech specs are not it. But I do know that if you control 51% of staking coins, you can perpetrate a 100% successful attack. And that if you have much less than 51% you still can perpetrate attacks that will eventually stand a good chance of being successful. If PPC or Nova have solutions for this, I don't know but I don't doubt it. What I read you posted seem, on first approach, for from an ideal solution -and not much different from rolling back actually-, but I may not "get" it completely...

In any case, you seem to want to avoid addressing the fact that someone or some group controlling 4.5 million (roughly 20% of total VRC and surely over 40, maybe even 50% of VRC STAKING poses a clear and present danger of a 51% attack, thefts and security failures at exchanges notwithstanding. I also would be quite interested in your personal opinion -if I can understand your answer, that is-, about the "generosity" towards VRC, and stake in it, of "Mr Boricua Man" for he played for quite a long time in YOUR field...Oh, and by the way, that field is on its way to extinction, as you are beginning to see now, so as an example to VRC, which is on the way up, up up and just starting, it simply cannot "work"/ Sorry for, as you know, I simply love the logo... but there's nothing else of any value there.

Please remember that Mintpal has stated officially that they don't mint POS coins.

Where does this large % come from?

Its only FUD, not FACT that you say in this case. and keep trying to go on. You are wrong on your principal, so stop before you continue on like its fact.


I see so many % symbols And I dont think 1 of them has any real meaning behind them other than being pulled out of air to make nice stories up.

You are quite confused at this point. That's why you just avoid thinking. It's ok. Things will sink in. Eventually.

Do you understand or not, that the money in Mintpal was NOT being staked? So that your theories are based on nothing factual?

If you can't respond to this, I can't help you anymore. You will continue to lie.

I understand very clearly, thank you. You, on the other hand, cannot understand anything at this point seemingly. Lets go by steps ok?
step one.- forget about the theft and Mintpal.
step two .- there's (was, now it's redistributed in several- ONE wallet with 4.5 million VRCs. It isn't a Mintpal, or Bittrex or Cryptsy wallet.
step three.- 4.5 million VRC are probably more than 50% or currently STAKING coins.
step four.- It doesn't take too much money -for groups such as the Black Hand-, to put together an amount enough to actually control not just 4.5 million VRC but several (millions) more -at current prices-

Does the picture gets less cloudy now?

PS.- I never, ever, lie. Ever.

[bigc1984]

ROLLBACK SCAM

This COIN is a MASSIVE FAILURE  

ROLLBACK SCAM

+1



so.. it's a scam?

[drkman]

We've been alerted that there are a couple of forked chains right now still. Please, for safety of your coins, don't move them yet. We are determining the problem.

What will happen to those who made a buy and withdrawal on Poloniex after the wallet update?  Is Poloniex on the right chain?  Same question for Mint.