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April 02, 2015, 01:42:49 AM
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Or is bitcoin simply bringing to light corruption that is already there. I believe it is the later.

yes, it has to be.

when one reads the documents carefully, it's clear that the brazenness with which these guys operated implied a certain level of comfort, familiarity, and hubris with the process that repeated itself numerous times during those months.

This.

If bitcoin were ever used transactionally by governments, it could become the single biggest anti-corruption breakthrough in the history of government.

The IMF cites corruption as one of the biggest drags on global economy, and most specifically harmful to investment in education.
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April 02, 2015, 01:44:37 AM
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we're getting close.

the stars are aligning.
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April 02, 2015, 01:49:29 AM
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As has been said, the irony of criminals fleeing bitcoin for cash would be hilarious.
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April 02, 2015, 01:51:31 AM
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As has been said, the irony of criminals fleeing bitcoin for cash would be hilarious.

looking forward to flipping Gresham's Law on its head; good money drives out bad.
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April 02, 2015, 02:11:41 AM
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Uh oh, I better note the address so I don't accidentally civil disobedience by sending it BTC.  Especially not using XMR.to.

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https://wikileaks.org/freesnowden
Official bitcoin address: 1snowqQP5VmZgU47i5AWwz9fsgHQg94Fa (please verify this for yourself on the abovelinked page)

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Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016
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Blocksize is an intentionally limited resource, like the 21e6 BTC limit.  Changing it degrades the surrounding economics, creating negative incentives.  Jeff Garzik 2013


The raison d'être of bitcoin is trustlessness. - Eric Lombrozo 2015
It is an Engineering Requirement that Bitcoin be “Above the Law”  Paul Sztorc 2015
Resiliency, not efficiency, is the paramount goal of decentralized, non-state sanctioned currency -Jon Matonis 2015

Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016

Technology tends to move in the direction of making surveillance easier, and the ability of computers to track us doubles every eighteen months. - Phil Zimmerman 2013

The only way to make software secure, reliable, and fast is to make it small. Fight Features. - Andy Tanenbaum 2004
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April 02, 2015, 12:20:37 PM
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most ppl still have not caught onto the idea that Bitcoin is fundamentally about honesty and hope...

... the fact that bitcoin is used mainly to commit various flavors of crime? ...

... you have zero evidence for this shameful lie. You are just a propaganda shill for stupidly repeating it, calling it a "fact" makes you a prime AH.

Bitcoin is used no more, but probably less to "commit crime" than fiat currencies as a percentage of total bitcoin usage. In terms of total overall usage, cash USD by many orders of magnitude has the largest volume in criminal activity.

Hard facts are impossible to obtain.  Mainly due to the fact that criminals, as a rule, do not provide 100% truthful quarterly financial statements.  Pseudonymity of Bitcoin also contributes to this [unsurprising] dearth of hard facts.

If you are looking for circumstantial evidence, let's start with you redacting it for from my quote.  The part about Bitcoin Foundation's Vice Chairman doing a 2-year stretch for financial crimes.  Pretty sneaky, Bitcoin criminal, but about as sophisticated & likely to end well as DPR paying some Anon claiming to be R&W for a hit.  And then writing down his deft kr1mez in his diary Cheesy



But Bitcoin lends itself to more than simply allowing basement-dwelling neckbeards to pay ~double the street price for their dope & "investing" in "Bitcoin securities" and "Bitcoin banks" [which, in turn, run away with their coin].  Observe:

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April 02, 2015, 12:56:30 PM
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Nice! that right there shows bitcoin is more active than ever Smiley hopefully it continues to grow

P.S nice "status=moon" in the address bar, made me chuckle. Hopefully this will help BTC moon Smiley

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April 02, 2015, 02:34:28 PM
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gold dump
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April 02, 2015, 03:33:34 PM
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True, but Shrem isn't doing Bitcoin any favors, the foundation needs to distance themselves from him.
Did you really just put a man who ran an honest business that harmed no one in the same moral category as two gangsters who ran an extortion racket under the colour of law?

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April 02, 2015, 04:35:27 PM
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rapidly approaching the danger zone.  this is good for Bitcoin:

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April 02, 2015, 04:52:11 PM
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Uh oh, I better note the address so I don't accidentally civil disobedience by sending it BTC.  Especially not using XMR.to.

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https://wikileaks.org/freesnowden
Official bitcoin address: 1snowqQP5VmZgU47i5AWwz9fsgHQg94Fa (please verify this for yourself on the abovelinked page)

I like the point your miner approach.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/315vee/anonymous_donations_to_edward_snowden_point_your/

Mined coins (either new or fee based) have no history and are completely clean and untraceable. If you create a new pool ID and mine behind tor you are about as secure as I can imagine.

Edit: Obama's latest EO above kind of tripped something inside me. I'm writing in traitor Snowden for governor & President in the next election. Obama, Bush, Hillary and their army of bureaucrats are the actual traitors. Obama has made it illegal to donate money to a traitor, is it also illegal to vote for and campaign for a traitor?

Edit 2: Cool, it's already a thing. https://www.facebook.com/Snowdenfor2016
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April 02, 2015, 04:58:38 PM
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Uh oh, I better note the address so I don't accidentally civil disobedience by sending it BTC.  Especially not using XMR.to.

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https://wikileaks.org/freesnowden
Official bitcoin address: 1snowqQP5VmZgU47i5AWwz9fsgHQg94Fa (please verify this for yourself on the abovelinked page)

I like the point your miner approach.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/315vee/anonymous_donations_to_edward_snowden_point_your/

Mined coins (either new or fee based) have no history and are completely clean and untraceable. If you create a new pool ID and mine behind tor you are about as secure as I can imagine.

Edit: Obama's latest EO above kind of tripped something inside me. I'm writing in traitor Snowden for governor & President in the next election. Obama, Bush, Hillary and their army of bureaucrats are the actual traitors. Obama has made it illegal to donate money to a traitor, is it also illegal to vote for and campaign for a traitor?

You may create trouble for the pool though. Maybe a good or bad thing depending on your ultimate objectives.
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April 02, 2015, 05:03:28 PM
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most ppl still have not caught onto the idea that Bitcoin is fundamentally about honesty and hope...

Could that have anything to do with the fact that bitcoin is used mainly to commit various flavors of crime?  I mean, Bitcoin Foundation's Vice Chairman is doing time for money laundering Undecided

There is better evidence that almost all of the activity is still speculative and it makes sense that "most ppl" are not speculators.

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Uh oh, I better note the address so I don't accidentally civil disobedience by sending it BTC.  Especially not using XMR.to.

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https://wikileaks.org/freesnowden
Official bitcoin address: 1snowqQP5VmZgU47i5AWwz9fsgHQg94Fa (please verify this for yourself on the abovelinked page)

I like the point your miner approach.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/315vee/anonymous_donations_to_edward_snowden_point_your/

Mined coins (either new or fee based) have no history and are completely clean and untraceable. If you create a new pool ID and mine behind tor you are about as secure as I can imagine.

Edit: Obama's latest EO above kind of tripped something inside me. I'm writing in traitor Snowden for governor & President in the next election. Obama, Bush, Hillary and their army of bureaucrats are the actual traitors. Obama has made it illegal to donate money to a traitor, is it also illegal to vote for and campaign for a traitor?

You may create trouble for the pool though. Maybe a good or bad thing depending on your ultimate objectives.


P2P Pool? Non-US based pools?

Your point highlights the need for P2P style decentralized pools IMHO.
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April 02, 2015, 05:07:28 PM
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Mined coins (either new or fee based) have no history and are completely clean and untraceable. If you create a new pool ID and mine behind tor you are about as secure as I can imagine.
Not if Coinbase gets their way:

http://www.coindesk.com/coinbase-seeks-details-us-bitcoin-mining/
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April 02, 2015, 05:23:35 PM
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Could that have anything to do with the fact that bitcoin is used mainly to commit various flavors of crime?  I mean, Bitcoin Foundation's Vice Chairman is doing time for money laundering Undecided

Crime against the State. Such crime never existed before Tyranny. Cf. Drug laws or laws forbidding protecting yourself. The actual free country is found where such do not exist.

I am not sure but perhaps even Libya under Gaddafi did have drug laws, so - no free countries here.

ADD: For those who do not know history - until 1970s, none of these laws existed in the United States, only in countries where the administration held sway over the people. In the 1800s, hardly any country had any of these.
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April 02, 2015, 05:32:39 PM
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Mined coins (either new or fee based) have no history and are completely clean and untraceable. If you create a new pool ID and mine behind tor you are about as secure as I can imagine.
Not if Coinbase gets their way:

http://www.coindesk.com/coinbase-seeks-details-us-bitcoin-mining/

That's simply Coinbase being trapped by KYC laws. If these miners want to sell through coinbase then coinbase has to get documentation on the source of the coins.

Mined coins on P2P or a pool outside the US that are directly donate to snowden don't face this issue, because Snowden probably isn't going to utilize their services for very obvious reasons.
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April 02, 2015, 05:34:18 PM
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most ppl still have not caught onto the idea that Bitcoin is fundamentally about honesty and hope...

Could that have anything to do with the fact that bitcoin is used mainly to commit various flavors of crime?  I mean, Bitcoin Foundation's Vice Chairman is doing time for money laundering Undecided

There is better evidence that almost all of the activity is still speculative and it makes sense that "most ppl" are not speculators.

Not sure, what do you mean?  That Bitcoin speculators are above crime & money laundering *cough* MagicalTux Sherm BTCKing Ukyo TradeFortress?
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April 02, 2015, 05:44:38 PM
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Could that have anything to do with the fact that bitcoin is used mainly to commit various flavors of crime?  I mean, Bitcoin Foundation's Vice Chairman is doing time for money laundering Undecided

Crime against the State. Such crime never existed before Tyranny. Cf. Drug laws or laws forbidding protecting yourself. The actual free country is found where such do not exist.

I am not sure but perhaps even Libya under Gaddafi did have drug laws, so - no free countries here.

ADD: For those who do not know history - until 1970s, none of these laws existed in the United States, only in countries where the administration held sway over the people. In the 1800s, hardly any country had any of these.

You're right, my totally-not-insane friend--we were both born too late.  We should discuss this in greater detail @ my upcoming Supernode Summit.

BTW, I think your account might have been compromised.  My post was inexplicably deleted from your self-moderated thread.  Here it is, in its entirety:

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I spent a long time feeling really butthurt that OP had a castle and I didn't.  It just seemed so unfair--he had one and I didn't.  And then Fortuna smiled down upon me.  I've made a shrewd investment in a castle of my very own, even more lavish & fortunately situated than OP's!  
  
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April 02, 2015, 06:05:05 PM
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did pantera just launch the paypal killer

 Huh

https://aligncommerce.com/

"I believe this will be the ultimate fate of Bitcoin, to be the "high-powered money" that serves as a reserve currency for banks that issue their own digital cash." Hal Finney, Dec. 2010
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