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March 31, 2015, 02:02:48 PM
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This is where BTC goes tits up, when someone pulls the plug -

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-31/massive-blackout-hits-turkey-grounding-planes-stopping-subways-terror-not-ruled-out

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March 31, 2015, 03:13:31 PM
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there's alot of suspicious evidence that the USG intentionally, or unintentionally due to its corrupt actions, took down mtgox:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/162503556/Mt-Gox-Wells-Fargo-Seizure-Warrants
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March 31, 2015, 03:37:16 PM
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My gaud;

The government’s considerable efforts at keeping this monumental scandal from being aired at Ross Ulbricht’s trial is itself scandalous. In addition to keeping any information about the investigation from the defense for nearly nine months, then revealing it only five weeks prior to trial, and then moving to keep sealed and secret the general underlying information so that Mr. Ulbricht could not use it in his defense at trial, and then stymying the defense at every turn during trial when the defense tried to introduce favorable evidence, the government had also refused to agree to the defense’s request to adjourn the trial until after the indictment was returned and made public – a modest adjournment of a couple of months, since it was apparent that the investigation was nearing a conclusion. Throughout Mr. Ulbricht’s trial the government repeatedly used the secret nature of the grand jury investigation as an excuse to preclude valuable defense evidence that was not only produced in discovery, independent of the investigation of Mr. Force, but also which was only at best tenuously related to that investigation. In that manner the government deprived the jury of essential facts, and Mr. Ulbricht of due process. In addition, the government failed to disclose previously much of what is in the Complaint, including that two federal law enforcement agents involved in the Silk Road investigation were corrupt. It is clear from this Complaint that fundamentally the government’s investigation of Mr. Ulbricht lacked any integrity, and was wholly and fatally compromised from the inside. Also, it is clear that Mr. Force and others within the government obtained access to the administrative platforms of the Silk Road site, where they were able to commandeer accounts and had the capacity to change PIN numbers and other aspects of the site – all without the government’s knowledge of what precisely they did with that access. In light of the information provided in the Complaint, it is now apparent to all just how relevant some of the issues raised by the defense at trial were, including the payment by Dread Pirate Roberts to a law enforcement agent for information about the investigation, the ramping up of the investigation of Mr. Ulbricht in mid-2013, soon after that paid information began flowing, and the creation of certain evidence at trial, such as the 2013 journal that conveniently begins – again – in Spring 2013, after the corruption alleged in this Complaint ripened. As the evidence at trial – particularly from the government’s law enforcement witnesses – demonstrated, the Baltimore investigation and agents were inextricably involved in the evolution of the case and the evidence, as well as with alerting Mark Karpeles that he was under investigation, and meeting with his lawyers and exchanging information. At Mr. Ulbricht’s trial, knowing full well the corruption alleged in the Complaint made public today, the government still aggressively precluded much of that evidence, and kept it from the jury (and had other similar evidence stricken from the record). Consequently, the government improperly used the ongoing grand jury process in San Francisco as both a sword and a shield to deny Mr. Ulbricht access to and use of important evidence, and a fair trial.

That's fine.  These intolerable acts signal and hasten the end of our current "awkward stage."   Cool

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Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016

Technology tends to move in the direction of making surveillance easier, and the ability of computers to track us doubles every eighteen months. - Phil Zimmerman 2013

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March 31, 2015, 05:17:18 PM
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Fred Wilson is beginning to worry about it:

http://avc.com/2015/03/deflation/
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March 31, 2015, 05:17:54 PM
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I don't know how anyone reads this SR shit and fails to feel unease. How safe are we really?

As safe as inverse to the power elite's ability to change written rules to fit their needs when needed :/

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March 31, 2015, 05:19:36 PM
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Fred Wilson is beginning to worry about it:

http://avc.com/2015/03/deflation/

Grandma Yellen about to gas up the helicopters?

The difference between bad and well-developed digital cash will determine whether we have a dictatorship or a real democracy.  David Chaum 1996
Fungibility provides privacy as a side effect.  Adam Back 2014
"Monero" : { Private - Auditable - 100% Fungible - Flexible Blocksize - Wild & Free® - Intro - Wallets - Podcats - Roadmap - Dice - Blackjack - Github - Android }


Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016
Blocks must necessarily be full for the Bitcoin network to be able to pay for its own security.  davout 2015
Blocksize is an intentionally limited resource, like the 21e6 BTC limit.  Changing it degrades the surrounding economics, creating negative incentives.  Jeff Garzik 2013


"I believed @Dashpay instamine was a bug & not a feature but then read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg13017231#msg13017231
I'm not against people making money, but can't support questionable origins."
https://twitter.com/Tone_LLT/status/717822927908024320


The raison d'être of bitcoin is trustlessness. - Eric Lombrozo 2015
It is an Engineering Requirement that Bitcoin be “Above the Law”  Paul Sztorc 2015
Resiliency, not efficiency, is the paramount goal of decentralized, non-state sanctioned currency -Jon Matonis 2015

Bitcoin is intentionally designed to be ungovernable and governance-free.  luke-jr 2016

Technology tends to move in the direction of making surveillance easier, and the ability of computers to track us doubles every eighteen months. - Phil Zimmerman 2013

The only way to make software secure, reliable, and fast is to make it small. Fight Features. - Andy Tanenbaum 2004

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March 31, 2015, 07:20:19 PM
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not getting any better.  in fact, the $DJT is beginning to drop down to its secondary low point.  that's not good:

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March 31, 2015, 07:41:39 PM
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My gaud;

The government’s considerable efforts at keeping this monumental scandal from being aired at Ross Ulbricht’s trial is itself scandalous. In addition to keeping any information about the investigation from the defense for nearly nine months, then revealing it only five weeks prior to trial, and then moving to keep sealed and secret the general underlying information so that Mr. Ulbricht could not use it in his defense at trial, and then stymying the defense at every turn during trial when the defense tried to introduce favorable evidence, the government had also refused to agree to the defense’s request to adjourn the trial until after the indictment was returned and made public – a modest adjournment of a couple of months, since it was apparent that the investigation was nearing a conclusion. Throughout Mr. Ulbricht’s trial the government repeatedly used the secret nature of the grand jury investigation as an excuse to preclude valuable defense evidence that was not only produced in discovery, independent of the investigation of Mr. Force, but also which was only at best tenuously related to that investigation. In that manner the government deprived the jury of essential facts, and Mr. Ulbricht of due process. In addition, the government failed to disclose previously much of what is in the Complaint, including that two federal law enforcement agents involved in the Silk Road investigation were corrupt. It is clear from this Complaint that fundamentally the government’s investigation of Mr. Ulbricht lacked any integrity, and was wholly and fatally compromised from the inside. Also, it is clear that Mr. Force and others within the government obtained access to the administrative platforms of the Silk Road site, where they were able to commandeer accounts and had the capacity to change PIN numbers and other aspects of the site – all without the government’s knowledge of what precisely they did with that access. In light of the information provided in the Complaint, it is now apparent to all just how relevant some of the issues raised by the defense at trial were, including the payment by Dread Pirate Roberts to a law enforcement agent for information about the investigation, the ramping up of the investigation of Mr. Ulbricht in mid-2013, soon after that paid information began flowing, and the creation of certain evidence at trial, such as the 2013 journal that conveniently begins – again – in Spring 2013, after the corruption alleged in this Complaint ripened. As the evidence at trial – particularly from the government’s law enforcement witnesses – demonstrated, the Baltimore investigation and agents were inextricably involved in the evolution of the case and the evidence, as well as with alerting Mark Karpeles that he was under investigation, and meeting with his lawyers and exchanging information. At Mr. Ulbricht’s trial, knowing full well the corruption alleged in the Complaint made public today, the government still aggressively precluded much of that evidence, and kept it from the jury (and had other similar evidence stricken from the record). Consequently, the government improperly used the ongoing grand jury process in San Francisco as both a sword and a shield to deny Mr. Ulbricht access to and use of important evidence, and a fair trial.

In a truly free republic, no information is forced to be kept secret.

Yet today we have:
- Secret non-public counter-terrorism "courts" which authorize everything from illegal wiretaps against the general population to ex-judicial executions at government agent will
- Secret warrants where individuals/corporations are not even allowed to say they've received a warrant or what actions were taken. It's gotten so bad we now have warrant canary sites. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/warrant-canary-faq
- Government restrictions on information the defense can bring (i.e. in the above). In a truly free republic an individual can decide for themselves what information to present and let a jury decide what is valid/relevant. In today's trials people are restricted.
- etc. etc. etc.

The fact Ross was not allowed to bring anything he wanted to the jury is unconstitutional, the fact that the government did not provide all information to the defense is unconstitutional, the fact most evidence was illegally obtained is unconstitutional. History books are going to marvel at how blind US citizens in the 21st century were.
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March 31, 2015, 07:59:21 PM
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it's still very early:

http://www.coindesk.com/only-2-3-of-americans-in-survey-trust-bitcoin-transfers-overseas/
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March 31, 2015, 08:24:39 PM
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This is where BTC goes tits up, when someone pulls the plug -

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-31/massive-blackout-hits-turkey-grounding-planes-stopping-subways-terror-not-ruled-out

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bitcoin doesn't stop, only in the affected area. Physical cash and gold (or ticket out) are all good small position diversifications.

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March 31, 2015, 08:32:48 PM
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I wonder if Ulbricht will be allowed to bring up any of this at his appeal, or more importantly in his Maryland case, where these officers were parts of the team investigating him (the curTis green stuff/murder for hire plots are all a part of the Maryland case
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March 31, 2015, 08:39:35 PM
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In other news the scramble for physical among central banks is just starting. If you look at the longer-term FED gold chart it looks even worse.

Gold In Fed Vault Drops Under 6,000 Tons For The First Time, After 10th Consecutive Month Of Redemptions
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-31/gold-fed-vault-drops-under-6000-tons-first-time-after-10th-consecutive-month-redempt

Obama the peace price winner needs to pick another country to start a war in so he can confiscate their gold too.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-10/was-price-ukraines-liberation-handover-its-gold-fed
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In a truly free republic, no information is forced to be kept secret.

Yet today we have:
- Secret non-public counter-terrorism "courts" which authorize everything from illegal wiretaps against the general population to ex-judicial executions at government agent will
- Secret warrants where individuals/corporations are not even allowed to say they've received a warrant or what actions were taken. It's gotten so bad we now have warrant canary sites. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/warrant-canary-faq
- Government restrictions on information the defense can bring (i.e. in the above). In a truly free republic an individual can decide for themselves what information to present and let a jury decide what is valid/relevant. In today's trials people are restricted.
- etc. etc. etc.

The fact Ross was not allowed to bring anything he wanted to the jury is unconstitutional, the fact that the government did not provide all information to the defense is unconstitutional, the fact most evidence was illegally obtained is unconstitutional. History books are going to marvel at how blind US citizens in the 21st century were.

Just to add another point to the above list:

Court accepts DOJ's 'state secrets' claim to protect shadowy neocons: A new low.

Quote from: Glenn Greenwald
But then something quite extraordinary happened: In September of last year, the U.S. government, which was not a party, formally intervened in the lawsuit, and demanded that the court refuse to hear Restis’s claims and instead dismiss the lawsuit against UANI before it could even start, on the ground that allowing the case to proceed would damage national security.

i didn't think it was possible but this makes the situation even worse.

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March 31, 2015, 09:09:12 PM
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Just to add another point to the above list:

Court accepts DOJ's 'state secrets' claim to protect shadowy neocons: A new low.

Quote from: Glenn Greenwald
But then something quite extraordinary happened: In September of last year, the U.S. government, which was not a party, formally intervened in the lawsuit, and demanded that the court refuse to hear Restis’s claims and instead dismiss the lawsuit against UANI before it could even start, on the ground that allowing the case to proceed would damage national security.

i didn't think it was possible but this makes the situation even worse.

And the MSM and every lefty I know is just silent because "their" guy is in office. What this means is the US has fully descended into tribalism, where no one focuses on objective facts and logic as they exist or on first principles, but instead only focus on if their "clan" is winning.

The R team is just as bad, but at least when they are in office everyone is suddenly against government overreach, whereas otherwise they'd be for it.
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March 31, 2015, 11:18:56 PM
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- Secret warrants where individuals/corporations are not even allowed to say they've received a warrant or what actions were taken. It's gotten so bad we now have warrant canary sites. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/warrant-canary-faq
- Government restrictions on information the defense can bring (i.e. in the above). In a truly free republic an individual can decide for themselves what information to present and let a jury decide what is valid/relevant. In today's trials people are restricted.
- etc. etc. etc.
And Australia has just made warrant canaries illegal : https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/03/australia_outla.html

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Section 182A of the new law says that a person commits an offense if he or she discloses or uses information about "the existence or non-existence of such a [journalist information] warrant." The penalty upon conviction is two years imprisonment.

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March 31, 2015, 11:56:25 PM
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geezuz, Shaun Bridges reaching even beyond SR according to Charles Allen:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2015-03-31/the-worst-2015-first-quarter-s-p-500-performers
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April 01, 2015, 12:45:46 AM
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Dow futures down -92.  might wanna stock up on some Bitcoin.
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April 01, 2015, 01:07:14 AM
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Dow futures down -182
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April 01, 2015, 11:04:35 AM
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Well now, this made me sit  up and listen:

“The future starts in Greece and we will be the first country to use the currency of the future, a currency that doesn’t allow third parties to tell us what to do or how to live, this is the Greek thing to do,” said the Greek minister.

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/04/01/yanis-varoufakis-greece-will-adopt-the-bitcoin-if-eurogroup-doesnt-give-us-a-deal/
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April 01, 2015, 11:13:23 AM
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He was gonna go with Litecoin but didn't like the rebranding thing.

http://www.reddit.com/r/litecoin/comments/3111z8/litecoin_rebranding_and_major_protocol_changes/
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