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May 31, 2015, 04:14:06 AM
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Cypherdoc, your (very typical groupthink) myopia is that you equate the mass media's promotion of the corruption in the nation-states and central banks as an awakening of a mass movement against central banking and legal tender laws.

As usual the powers-that-be have managed to engineer the propaganda so that you fight yourself while thinking you are fighting the enemy. This is no different than when Napoleon fooled the people he was fighting into believing he was liberating them from oppression (thus making his military victories easy because the other side didn't even fight). You are analogously fooled as are the Occupation Wallstreet movement is fooled in making the assumption that it is the "99% versus the 1%", wherein the protestors will advocate punitively taxing the "1%" which in reality ends up being a punitive tax on themselves every damn time (because of some immutable laws of economics).

You are tuning out now to information because you prefer your delusion. The world is populated by zombies like you, which is why there won't be any mass awakening. The elite have given you the propaganda you desired so you can go seek your delusion (until it blows up in your face some years from now[1]; people don't change course until they hit a dead end).

Your myopia is you don't grasp certain immutable laws of political economics and the scaling of mass belief systems. This is nearly impossible to articulate to a person who is unwilling to study the natural repeating patterns in history and then conclude scientifically the distinction between ideology and reality.

In short, you've abandoned the scientific method. Your sample sizes are too small in time. You refuse to study history.

I know. I know. "It is different this time".  Roll Eyes  Cry

(you hard money zombies are all similarly deluded)

[1] The youth can never be told to respect the wisdom of what has already been learned. They have to go burn their hands and gain wisdom.

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May 31, 2015, 04:22:13 AM
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Cypherdoc, your (very typical groupthink) myopia is that you equate the mass media's promotion of the corruption in the nation-states and central banks as an awakening of a mass movement against central banking and legal tender laws.

As usual the powers-that-be have managed to engineer the propaganda so that you fight yourself while thinking you are fighting the enemy. This is no different than when Napoleon fooled the people he was fighting into believing he was liberating them from oppression (thus making his military victories easy because the other side didn't even fight). You are analogously fooled as are the Occupation Wallstreet movement is fooled in making the assumption that it is the "99% versus the 1%", wherein the protestors will advocate punitively taxing the "1%" which in reality ends up being a punitive tax on themselves every damn time (because of some immutable laws of economics).

You are tuning out now to information because you prefer your delusion. The world is populated by zombies like you, which is why there won't be any mass awakening. The elite have given you the propaganda you desired so you can go seek your delusion (until it blows up in your face some years from now[1]; people don't change course until they hit a dead end).

Your myopia is you don't grasp certain immutable laws of political economics and the scaling of mass belief systems. This is nearly impossible to articulate to a person who is unwilling to study the natural repeating patterns in history and then conclude scientifically the distinction between ideology and reality.

In short, you've abandoned the scientific method. Your sample sizes are too small in time. You refuse to study history.

I know. I know. "It is different this time".  Roll Eyes  Cry

(you hard money zombies are all similarly deluded)

[1] The youth can never be told to respect the wisdom of what has already been learned. They have to go burn their hands and gain wisdom.

Excuse me but exactly what scientific method have you brought to the table except for some lunatic ravings of a  mentor you hold in high esteem? Along with some  such drivel about immutable economic laws?
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May 31, 2015, 04:27:23 AM
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Excuse me but exactly what scientific method have you brought to the table except for some lunatic ravings of a  mentor you hold in high esteem? Along with some  such drivel about immutable economic laws?

Since you haven't bothered to read and analyze, of course you've entirely missed the presentation.

You've put it in your mind that Armstrong has not compiled 6000 years of history and you've tuned out the data.

So what I can do with a person who has covered his eyes and ears and yet says there is no data?

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May 31, 2015, 04:59:39 AM
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Excuse me but exactly what scientific method have you brought to the table except for some lunatic ravings of a  mentor you hold in high esteem? Along with some  such drivel about immutable economic laws?

Since you haven't bothered to read and analyze, of course you've entirely missed the presentation.

You've put it in your mind that Armstrong has not compiled 6000 years of history and you've tuned out the data.

So what I can do with a person who has covered his eyes and ears and yet says there is no data?

no, you don't even bother to consider that you've been captured by a seller of newsletters and now conferences who has capitalized on the cult of fear so common these days.  they prey on weak-minded, mentally impaired ppl like you who cower in fear everyday and are afraid of their own shadows.

you can't even see the lunacy of the scenario you've painted.  it is totally illogical.
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May 31, 2015, 05:06:46 AM
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Excuse me but exactly what scientific method have you brought to the table except for some lunatic ravings of a  mentor you hold in high esteem? Along with some  such drivel about immutable economic laws?

Since you haven't bothered to read and analyze, of course you've entirely missed the presentation.

You've put it in your mind that Armstrong has not compiled 6000 years of history and you've tuned out the data.

So what I can do with a person who has covered his eyes and ears and yet says there is no data?

no, you don't even bother to consider that you've been captured by a seller of newsletters and now conferences who has capitalized on the cult of fear so common these days.  they prey on weak-minded, mentally impaired ppl like you who cower in fear everyday and are afraid of their own shadows.

you can't even see the lunacy of the scenario you've painted.  it is totally illogical.

Again you completely refuse to provide any specific analysis what has been presented. Instead you ad hominem attack a person and ignore the substance of what has been presented.

That is a noise and trolling methodology you are employing.

Debate requires addressing the specific arguments that have been presented.

If you want to refute me, you must address the historical account of the Federal Reserve that Armstrong has written. You must address my explanation of the Iron Law of Political Economics. You must address the fact that people have been borrowing money for 5000 years with inexorably declining interest rates.

These are all repeating and naturally occurring phenomena that are documented, but you refuse to address them.

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May 31, 2015, 06:21:21 AM
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Excuse me but exactly what scientific method have you brought to the table except for some lunatic ravings of a  mentor you hold in high esteem? Along with some  such drivel about immutable economic laws?

Since you haven't bothered to read and analyze, of course you've entirely missed the presentation.

You've put it in your mind that Armstrong has not compiled 6000 years of history and you've tuned out the data.

So what I can do with a person who has covered his eyes and ears and yet says there is no data?

no, you don't even bother to consider that you've been captured by a seller of newsletters and now conferences who has capitalized on the cult of fear so common these days.  they prey on weak-minded, mentally impaired ppl like you who cower in fear everyday and are afraid of their own shadows.

you can't even see the lunacy of the scenario you've painted.  it is totally illogical.

Again you completely refuse to provide any specific analysis what has been presented. Instead you ad hominem attack a person and ignore the substance of what has been presented.

That a noise and trolling methodology you are employing.

Debate requires addressing the specific arguments that have been presented.

If you want to refute me, you must address the historical account of the Federal Reserve that Armstrong has written. You must address my explanation of the Iron Law of Political Economics. You must address the fact that people have been borrowing money for 5000 years with inexorably declining interest rates.

These are all repeating and naturally occurring phenomena that are documented, but you refuse to address them.

i already addressed those things.  and i said you got it backwards.

we know this b/c of what happened in 2008.  who got bailed out?  the banksters or the ppl who took the loans?  ans:  the banksters.  and that is precisely b/c the ppl with the loans were not in fact in control and demanding of the loans they received; they were hoodwinked into taking easy no doc loans by banksters who knew they were going to win no matter what happened.  as it turned out, they rode the loan  mkt up with mark to market and when the market turned around they subverted the rule of law and went to mark to model.  then, when the shit really hit the fan, they went before Congress and threatened to blow up the whole economy unless they received bailouts.  and who went to bat for them in this time of crisis according to the playbook?  Bernanke, Paulson, & Geithner.  so the banksters got bailed out despite 80% disapproval by the American public, ordinary ppl lost their homes, the toxic debt got shifted over to the Fed and the American ppl got their USD debased by $4T in new money printing.  the gvt has since more than doubled the national debt to re-pump stocks to the banksters benefit.  so just who is in control?  certainly not the ppl as you suggest.

and you expect all of us to believe that TPTB are going to just give up this ideal system they control with a free printing press while they roll the dice with a system that has the potential to ruin their party?  how risky and insane is that?  and then somehow they will  hit the Digital Kill Switch and drive us all into a Great Depression?  so what monetary system takes over when that happens?  what happens to all their big corporate partners?  what will all the banks do?  what a crock.
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May 31, 2015, 07:33:08 AM
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i already addressed those things.  and i said you got it backwards.

we know this b/c of what happened in 2008.  who got bailed out?  the banksters or the ppl who took the loans.  ans:  the banksters.

What logic is that? You are asserting that because the banksters got bailed out, then the People got harmed thus you assert it must be the case that they People will have an awakening.

But if you study history, analogous forms of corruption have been repeating over and over again throughout all human history and the People never wake up. As I explained to you by example, even where they thought they were fighting oppression by joining Napoleon (by refusing to fight when he came to conquer their lands) analogous to Bitcoin supporters who imagine they are fighting oppression with Bitcoin when in fact in both cases (and all cases in human history) you are just supporting another head of the monster the elite have manufactured (or co-opt).

What was the result of your IQ test? Seriously. You don't even consider that your logic does not follow. There is no logical reason that the People must wake up when they've been fucked in the ass by the system. For them do so, requires not only that they understand how they have been harmed but also what is the correct action to rectify their plight. They get particularly misdirected on the latter.

Instead of ASS-U-ming your logic requires your conclusion, you must use the scientific method to test your theory and by studying history we can see the People never do wake up. Then we can start to reason about why they never do. And I have explained it to you upthread. Humans are easily deluded because their self-interests conflict with the global optimization. Although on a local level, I could dance in front of a group of humans and inspire them to choose freedom over conformance, in terms of scaling the mass belief systems, the powers-that-be (TPTB) have a natural advantage because the individual self-interests of the masses are not aligned with looking at the reality of the actual situation BEHIND THE CURTAIN. Instead they are easily swayed to follow delusions (the ass of the sheep in front of them) such as "gouge the 1% with punitive taxes" (Did you not watch the Youtube debates between Peter Schiff and the Operation Wallstreet youth?). And "thanks to Obama, I don't have to pay my rent any more" (have you not seen the Youtude?).

Come on man get a grip on reality. Go out into the street and talk to random people and you will learn that your armchair theories are complete bullshit.

In 1992, I went house-to-house and talked to people all ages (from young couples to grandmothers) as a volunteer for the Ross Perot 1992 POTUS campaign. I saw that people would listen to me, but they wouldn't be able to carry it forward in terms of complete understanding and action. I learned that people have other incentives that are driving their lives and they don't have the focus to become experts on politics, what is actually going on behind the curtain, and what to best do about it.

The people have become more aware that there is massive corruption. But their solutions are to hand more power to the TPTB with regulatory actions such as massive support for the unconstitutional power grab of the FCC regulation of Net Neutrality. Their angst is directed towards supporting the powers-that-be who have regulatory capture. They will end up supporting regulation of Bitcoin which unwittingly hands it to TPTB.

The people don't have the focus and diligence to monitor and maintain a decentralized Bitcoin when the natural incentives are towards centralization. If you want a crypto-coin to remain decentralized, then it must do so natural not because of diligence of the masses who are preoccupied on their own personal lives and (often mutually conflicting, e.g. abortion, gay rights, etc) self-interests.

I do not respect your ignorance. And I do not appreciate you asserting that you any where near my level of cognition of these matters. The Dunning-Kruger effect is too blatantly obvious here and I don't know what to do other than wasting my time trying to spank (your young cocky ass) with you words hoping you might gain some appreciation. But I observe you are too boastful to realize.

As Armstrong says, study history because it is catalog of repeating outcomes that we should learn from but never do.

and that is precisely b/c the ppl with the loans were not in fact in control and demanding of the loans they received; they were hoodwinked into taking easy no doc loans by banksters

The poor fuckers who got a house and shouldn't have. As if they had no desire to get a house.  Roll Eyes

What happened is the perfectly natural outcome of the power vacuum I have explained to you over the past 2 - 3 pages of this thread. But you can't seem to grasp that and want to delude yourself into believing that the problem lies on the side of the banksters. The problem is a natural phenomenon that always repeats because a power vacuum is an unstable state of matter and sucks in the corruption. Until you eliminate the power vacuum, you are just deluding yourself. You won't be able to change the fact that individuals prioritize their self-interest and not the global optimization. Bitcoin can't get you there because it is not immutably decentralized and anonymous without diligence from the People, the lack of which causes the power vacuum in the first place. In short, you are a dog chasing your tail and you don't even realize it.

who knew they were going to win no matter what happened.  as it turned out, they rode the loan  mkt up with mark to market and when the market turned around they subverted the rule of law and went to mark to model.  then, when the shit really hit the fan, they went before Congress and threatened to blow up the whole economy unless they received bailouts.  and who went to bat for them in this time of crisis according to the playbook?  Bernanke, Paulson, & Geithner.  so the banksters got bailed out despite 80% disapproval by the American public, ordinary ppl lost their homes, the toxic debt got shifted over to the Fed and the American ppl got their USD debased by $4T in new money printing.  the gvt has since more than doubled the national debt to re-pump stocks to the banksters benefit.  so just who is in control?  certainly not the ppl as you suggest.

I never stated the People are in control. I said the People are implicitly complicit because their self-interests do not align with your delusion of them being focused on optimizing global causes. The control over money is a global cause that requires an extreme amount expertise and dedication of life that only very few of us experts can justify, and thus it is not a self-interested priority (focus) for the masses, a.k.a. the People.

and you expect all of us to believe that TPTB are going to just give up this ideal system they control with a free printing press while they roll the dice with a system that has the potential to ruin their party?  how risky and insane is that?  and then somehow they will  hit the Digital Kill Switch and drive us all into a Great Depression?  so what monetary system takes over when that happens?  what happens to all their big corporate partners?  what will all the banks do?  what a crock.

They are not giving up anything by destroying the national central banks and moving to a one-world reserve currency system. They are doing creative destruction and using a massive crisis to usher in a greater level of totalitarian, corporate-fascist control.

I have provided the link to the following thread numerous times, but you apparently still haven't read it:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=985481.0

It is all explained there for you. And 29% of readers get it and agree.

They are not rolling any dice. They have a masterful plan which by now appears to be quite inescapable. Planting Bitcoin was a masterful coup getting you deluded fools to chase your own tail and fight for their cause.

Driving us into a Greater Depression (more so with FATCA and other large scale aspects, than Bitcoin as the Digital Kill Switch which is more of future concern) will bring about the political support amongst the masses for a global compromise on central banking to take the power away from the USA dollar and move it to an international cooperation (consensus) in a multi-polar world, a.k.a. the one-world reserve currency. There is no way the People would agree if they were not suffering. The People have many competing self-interests. It is only by bringing the People to their knees in massive war and suffering can they be made to plead for a global consensus. They will see that the nation-state model has utterly failed them (of course fabricated to fail and with manufactured conflicts, all from TPTB).


Edit: that you frame the issue in your mind as one of who is in control demonstrates simpleton conceptualization of the issue. You need to look at the incentives in the system and the structure of the system. Even TPTB are not in control. Btw, I am just saying "young cocky ass" in jest. Your fervor is what I expect from an ideological younger person, but the problem is when your fervor exceeds your conceptualization. If you are willing to actually dig in and consider the model I have presented, then we can have an intelligent and cordial dialogue.

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May 31, 2015, 09:04:13 AM
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Gold Becoming Illegal?

End Game, Gold Investors Will be Destroyed

Note the "hyper-inflation" I referred to in 2010, is what Armstrong refers to as the stampede out of sovereign bonds, national currencies, and into private assets. This will be occur while the world is simultaneously collapsing in deflation due to debt defaults and the stampede of CONFIDENCE away from the economy into holes in the ground.

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May 31, 2015, 09:08:22 AM
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now that we have money types that can navigate around these monopolies

Which money can resist takeover by centralization?

Sorry I don't see any such money that exists, not even gold.

Bitcoin has resisted takeover so far. A monopoly can not exist in the free market, there is always someone who eats from the edge of your plate. Monopoly can exist only by using violence. I don't see that it can exist in mining. The competition is merciless. The loss of productivity from unfreeness will immediately remove governmental miners from the scene.

Have some faith.

 Huh

Faith in what? Faith in ignoring my analysis?

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Eventually, in your own ability to make things happen.

I have not read all of your writings in detail, it was too much a point. You are wrong about centralization. There is not a general tendency towards centralization. Centralization is the tool of the violent.



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You are wrong about centralization. There is not a general tendency towards centralization. Centralization is the tool of the violent.

I don't see either your technical refutation of my technical analysis of why Bitcoin is centralizing. The logical implication you intended for your last sentence is vacuous or incomplete articulation (care to elaborate?).

Eventually, in your own ability to make things happen.

Well I agree that there is a reasonable chance the free market will overcome, e.g. with altcoins. I am just arguing Bitcoin is not the total solution. I have also said I support Bitcoin as it broadens the capital base in this crypto economy.

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And the following is an example of the masses who are waking up as they discover Bitcoin?

2. he was using bitcoin and not fiat ie he was successfully running a commercial operation with bitcoin. This is good news. It was however found what he was connected to (drugs etc) was against the law so he is off to prison but he would have gone to prison for doing the same things using fiat.

Bitcoin's raison d'être is to be a xerox of fiat in the sense of allowing the government to regulate commerce and legal tender? I thought Bitcoin was supposed to enable permission-less commerce.

Never mind the small details. Carry on.

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So iCE. Are you working for Blockstream?

I'm working for Nick Szabo.  That's why I asked you to calm down and stop exaggerating.

Blockstream will hire me right after recruiting Mircea.  Any second now...   Cheesy


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I'm working for Nick Szabo.

Doing what? Or can you at least clarify if it is programming or not? Are you a programmer?

Was I correct with my upthread assumption that Nick Szabo could not have been Satoshi because (among other possible reasons) in his Bitgold essay he was still bothered by the inability to insure the proposed crypto system couldn't be centralized?

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Gavin's plan to break stagnation seems to have worked. Gregory Maxwell has proposed a blocksize increase plan (in a manner of speaking).
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You are wrong about centralization. There is not a general tendency towards centralization. Centralization is the tool of the violent.

I don't see either your technical refutation of my technical analysis of why Bitcoin is centralizing. The logical implication you intended for your last sentence is vacuous or incomplete articulation (care to elaborate?).

Eventually, in your own ability to make things happen.

Well I agree that there is a reasonable chance the free market will overcome, e.g. with altcoins. I am just arguing Bitcoin is not the total solution. I have also said I support Bitcoin as it broadens the capital base in this crypto economy.

You make some good points, and bitcoin is not a divine force. But the invention solved the single problem that has plagued cryptocurrencies since the invention of public key cryptography in 1978. For 30 years, people have tried to apply it to make a practical crypto money system, and satoshi solved the puzzle.

Mining is a competitive business with a very low barrier to entry. Anyone sacrificing a part of the profit, however small, for something that is not just finding blocks and include transactions, will lose. A resourceful rogue force ready to sacrifice a large sum of money to change its direction, will also lose, because he is dependant on the users following, and they will follow only if the new money is better for them.

You can try to improve it, and the market will choose the best systems. My bet is on bitcoin.


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You are wrong about centralization. There is not a general tendency towards centralization. Centralization is the tool of the violent.

I don't see either your technical refutation of my technical analysis of why Bitcoin is centralizing. The logical implication you intended for your last sentence is vacuous or incomplete articulation (care to elaborate?).

Eventually, in your own ability to make things happen.

Well I agree that there is a reasonable chance the free market will overcome, e.g. with altcoins. I am just arguing Bitcoin is not the total solution. I have also said I support Bitcoin as it broadens the capital base in this crypto economy.

You make some good points, and bitcoin is not a divine force. But the invention solved the single problem that has plagued cryptocurrencies since the invention of public key cryptography in 1978. For 30 years, people have tried to apply it to make a practical crypto money system, and satoshi solved the puzzle.

Not only that but "he" implemented it, which I assume you agree is the more important accomplishment.

Mining is a competitive business with a very low barrier to entry.

You can try to improve it, and the market will choose the best systems. My bet is on bitcoin.

The last part of the first sentence is a very astute point. PoW is how we can widely distribute coins competitively with very low barrier to entry (especially if the CPU is not challenged by ASICs yet).

And the low barrier to entry is also a salient point  (but not the only requirement) for sustaining decentralization. On the second sentence I believe I stumbled onto a solution to the puzzle which is a radical improvement that lowers the barrier to entry much closer to 0 and foils entirely the 21 Inc business model.

As one of my supporters wrote to me today in Bitmessage, "release the tech, then they will come to secure their spot" (paraphrased)

I am still not sure though. I need to spend more time to evaluate what I think it realistic (not the design, but the logistics of producing a coin and avoiding trouble with the law).

Anyone sacrificing a part of the profit, however small, for something that is not just finding blocks and include transactions, will lose. A resourceful rogue force ready to sacrifice a large sum of money to change its direction, will also lose, because he is dependant on the users following, and they will follow only if the new money is better for them.

You forgot the 21 Inc model makes them the lowest cost supplier of hash cycles and the users have the incentive of discounts on heating devices and smartphones. That scales to the point that they have ~100% of the hashrate. Economies-of-scale and access to massive amounts of capital and cartel alliances (e.g. marriage with Samsung and telcoms) required to pull this off means they won't have any competition.

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I don't care about 21 Inc, currently, to me, they are just big talkers.

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I don't care about 21 Inc, currently, to me, they are just big talkers.

TPTB count on that apathy (and unfalsifiable individual overconfidence) and inability to understand they work on timeframes that are longer than typical attention spans.

The DEEP STATE is not incompetent. The creation of Bitcoin is a prime example of their competence. 9/11, the War on Terror, and FATCA are more examples.

If you don't respect your enemy, you will not defeat him. And that includes Satan w.r.t. to self-destruction.

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May 31, 2015, 11:28:41 AM
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With fiat, you could say that the dollar paper rectangles are the money, corresponding to bitcoins, and the physical movement of the paper rectangles to another person giving him ownership, corresponds to a blockchain transaction.

With that in mind, the banks, the visas and mastercards, the central banks, the imf and the bis are all off chain systems enabling large, quick, and cheap transactions that ideally should all be executed with the rectangles. There is third party dependence, risk of no confirmation or late confirmation, risk of third party going bust, risk of information leak, risk of confiscation and so on. We do use it, because the cost of transacting with on chain paper rectangles cost too much and are sometimes also time consuming, have risk of theft, confiscation and so on.

Just compare localbitcoins online trading with fiat cash trading. An online trade can be done in five minutes if you are lucky and the counterparty is close to his terminal. A cash trade includes making an appointment that is acceptable to both, driving somewhere for a cost, parking somewhere for a cost.

So in the current fiat regime, you mostly depend on off chain systems, to the degree that the fiat paper rectangle blockchain is about to be disbanded. And the fiat paper rectangle blockchain is already centralized and taken over by rogue forces.

In bitcoin, the third party services will have to be restrained by the market, they can focus of one end of the transaction only, lower barriers to entry, less capital needed, basically they can be more decentralized than the current off chain services. Still the base system can not be taken over and monopolized. So I am not afraid of centralization, not even in third party services.


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And you all thought Bitcoin is inspiring the masses to change the system...

2. he was using bitcoin and not fiat ie he was successfully running a commercial operation with bitcoin. This is good news. It was however found what he was connected to (drugs etc) was against the law so he is off to prison but he would have gone to prison for doing the same things using fiat.

Bitcoin's raison d'être is to be a xerox of fiat in the sense of allowing the government to regulate commerce and legal tender? I thought Bitcoin was supposed to enable permission-less commerce.

Never mind the small details. Carry on.

I do no think there has ever been "permission-less' commerce nor will there ever be. For example, governments run on tax revenue so they are always going to put things in place to collect some from commercial activities. They expect even illegal activities to declare taxable income. So if trading with Bitcoin or fiat the tax man cometh.

You are free (ie do not need permission) to set up silk road 3.0 and start trading anytime you like. By using bitcoin you can send and receive funds that do not go through permission based entities (eg banks). Just do not expect governments to do nothing, They react to fiat based activities so they will do the same for bitcoin eg in my country the tax man carries out snap audits of house painters that are doing all their jobs for cash with homeowners so they can to avoid sales and income tax.

And after the tax man comes the law enforcers. Governments are not good ie efficient or effective at controlling things but they love to do so - and will dedicate lots of resources to it. So if you take up being the new Ross then you had better be more nimble than he was.

My point is then WTF are we creating Bitcoin for then if the permission-less quality is not that viable? (note that if the State can track you down as they did to Ross, then they can surely regulate Bitcoin and remove the permission-less quality)

So we can track ourselves in a public ledger and create the Digital Kill Switch (i.e. blacklisting individuals who the State doesn't like) that didn't exist before with cash.

My underlying motivation is I think we need a more anonymous system (and more surely decentralized so it doesn't devolve).

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